Unwrapping the Problem of Evil This Christmas! (mb, Davy, & Jack)

[@frederickfairlieesq5316]

Ends just as Jack starts cooking

[@darth_mb]

@@frederickfairlieesq5316 yeah gor really uninteresting moment he had an opportunity to speak. It's unfortunate.

[@guitarista67]

Thanks for the drop MB! I needed it today.

[@frederickfairlieesq5316]

9:04 If we are not free to not sin then we don’t have free will. We are robots.

[@darth_mb]

@@frederickfairlieesq5316 Yeah what's fun and what I should of done is ask is God a robot

[@dr.h8r]

That implies in order to be free we have to sin, but if we have to sin then we are determined to sin, and if we’re determined to sin then we’re not free (at least with respect to incompatibilist freedom), so that objection is self-defeating.

[@dr.h8r]

These irenaean style theodicies are gerrymandered to counter the problem of evil but they still don’t work. The only reason they’re saying “you can’t appreciate x without y” is because the world is metaphysically constituted that way by God. So God is guaranteeing evil just for it to be “appreciated” or negated. If that’s the case then the evils ought occur but that’s a contradiction. Also, by their own lights there’re possible worlds without suffering compatible with the concept of “appreciation” etc, so evil is non-necessary. But if evil constitutes “appreciation” etc then it’s also necessary, and that’s s contradiction. So whichever way you slice it the theodicy is logically incoherent.

[@dr.h8r]

Also, they can’t say evil is necessary for good while also saying they don’t know if good is obtainable without evil because by their lights it’s constitutive of the notion. Or in other words, if evil is necessary for good then trivially good is unobtainable without evil. They want to say evil and good are conceptually asymmetric but they can’t do that when affirming necessity. They’re trying to have their mince pie and eat it too.

[@displacegamer1379]

1:13:32 It's so stupid to say God is not quantifiable when they believe that God is three persons. That's literally a quantity. That's a measurement. That's a measurement of God's being or essence or whatever dumb stuff you want to call it.

[@darth_mb]

@@displacegamer1379 they always say this dumb confused shit, it's irritating

[@kingobama4305]

lol wtf was with them policing you over that joke? it was obviously sarcasm.

[@deetheoriginal3117]

Happy Holidays. 🎄

[@igbo925]

Did I hear "If energy can't be destroyed where does it go when we die"?

[@Rev-bb9ej]

Merry Christmas! 🌲🌲💝

[@TheodoreDiep]

These people's (theists) assumptions about morality come out of thin air. Any actual anthropologists can easily point to you how human SOCIETY developed with morality, i.e. it emerged, not created. Theists always argue as if they can isolate a single individual and jusge that person, which is irrational and unrealistic.

[@dr.h8r]

Hello Reddit! 🙋

[@ezbody]

Even right now there is one certain country committing unspeakable atrocities, same atrocities it has been committing for hundreds of years, and what do most God people do? That's right, they either pretend nothing is happening, or even worse - they support that country, for its so-called "family values".

[@TheOneDaveP]

Ho Ho Ho! 🎅🎄👌😂

[@RahjaStooli]

Merry Christmas!

[@darth_mb]

@@RahjaStooli 🎄

[@JedisfuneralTM]

Merry christmas

[@HumblyQuestioning]

These Christians have no clue how ridiculous they sound. Just sounds normal to them. Sad.

[@HumblyQuestioning]

"I don't know. I'm not God." - idiot response. How do y'all deal with this bullshit

[@garzon53]

if Superman did nothing he would be amoral

[@darth_mb]

@@garzon53 immoral*

[@seawolf7649]

Dishonest people pretending they know what gods think about. And being rude dorks. Annoying. AND- you guys “should” chill a bit and define “argument” for a lot of these clowns. They don’t know what you mean and it’s totally obvious they don’t. Tell them what an argument is when you ask for one. And the atheists talking over one another and theists is annoying. Overall- you guys kick ass. Funny. And needed. Keep up the good work.

[@DrNope-hd4pw]

Way too many people on this panel.