UPCHURCH DISSES TOM MACDONALD! | Upchurch - "WHY BOYS" (Lyric Video) | I HAD TO LISTEN TWICE!

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[@CliffBeatsOfficial]

Again, I love and respect both artists. Please don’t shoot the messenger! Much love 🎧

[@patchesblue155]

Never would I sugar.

[@klennethavancena940]

❤❤❤

[@letsreallytalk9482]

guarantee Tom won’t reply back, he will just think Church did this for attention and nothing he said in the diss is worth responding to since all he did was make fun of his looks and mannerisms. It doesn’t benefit Tom to respond because it will take people’s attention away from his number 1 song with Ben. If you had a major hit that was trending number 1 everywhere, would you honestly stop all your promotions of your new song to respond to someone who didn’t really say anything that was worth responding to and take people’s attention from you and your song towards this beef that most don’t want to see anyway because they share a lot of fans or have fans that like them both. I say it’s smart on Upchurchs part to do it now because it gets him views and attention without actually having to battle. I think that was strategic on his part (he could have released this at any time why now? Because Tom has eyes on him right now and there is no risk of any beef starting) so pretty smart on Upchurchs part

[@10SecondZ06]

I liked Upchurch and Tom but #HOG4Life Tom’s a real one. Bad move by Upchurch imo. But, it is a good diss track I have to admit. I just don’t think we need to fight amongst ourselves, you know?

[@cheshiresInsight]

The wave like a capsize is a diss from Mac Lethal ...remember Tom did the wave and said hi Dave. Ask about the capsize is talking about his ego, Tom been screaming #1 independent. And your right on the attaching to everything relevant. Ryan said hold on a minute, I like Tom too but here lately it is all about the color of his skin. Then what Ben Shapiro what he stands for. I could not support him.

[@tobyappel8966]

All I can think of is poor Adam C in the middle lmao

[@KathyBeasley80]

Same😂

[@richjohnson7362]

Adam has beefed with associates of people he works with.

[@TheSinDen]

Same.. I mean Who Boys a take off of Tom n Adams song whiteboyz and a lot of it seems plural.. Plus Adan was on that Tank to and jumping around.

[@audrarevas3243]

I'm pretty sure Adam is in the crosshairs. Ryan referred to rapping against BOTH of them at the same time so.

[@98wytebird]

@@TheSinDen yeah but the issue with ryan is Tom is from canada and now american

[@Moe_lestering]

"If they diss me, they probably bout too drop a new record" Guess who is dropping a new record?😂😂😂😂😂

[@e6staffsargeify]

It is ironic. But it's kind of a non bow. It's hip hop, many big rappers you probably also listen to have put disses to hype the new record

[@Moe_lestering]

Indeed, its way too go i quess. And in this case it already worked when you read the comments. So kuddos too Ryan for this one.

[@oldmeninchairs3365]

Exactly. And judging from the rest of what he said in "Canceled" I don't think Tom will or should respond.

[@Rap_Hip-Hop_Carnivore]

Tom does it so often dissing other artist, he's a fking HYPOCRITE.

[@timothyfifield6186]

Ton not responding just shows he's a poser. Rap is competition, amd wether you like it or not. Upchurch is the largest independent rapper in the world. Tom's just the biggest on youtube alone

[@beckyf2198]

I’m glad I’m not the only one confused about what’s going on! I love them both. WTH?! 🤯

[@revolution2012now]

Same...what the actual hell is going on here!? 😂

[@AndreJHoward]

I love it. Rap beef is the best. Make people push themselves. Competition breeds creativity.

[@wrldisyours3328]

Tom macdonald puts Ryan's tag in all his music videos. That's an SEO. So that makes Tom's numbers not completely real because he's using Upchurches name in all his videos. So all Ryan's fans get pushed Tom's videos. That's why

[@nickabel8279]

@@wrldisyours3328 does he? i've never realized that. not that i follow such things very close. Tom has some great songs but some also feel very cheap and others remind you his Canadian upbringing and the different mindset from American beliefs

[@andrewwolfe4832]

Tom said he gonna make country rap better and he’s a Canadian saying we need to change America when his own country is falling apart

[@jessicarichter6436]

His impersonation of toms demonic voice was spot on! 😂

[@lonlywolf5680]

That H.O.G. to sausage line was stolen straight from Tom's diss from Mac Lethal. Like, bro. If you're gonna take that shot, at least give credit from who you stole it from 😂 Tom doesn't need to respond to it. He already bodied Mac Lethal responding to over half the material Upchurch just fired at him. If he has beef for Tom doing some Country rap, then do what Tom and Adam did and deal with it over a call.

[@brandonkoch7059]

Would be funny if Tom just played the Mac lethal dis but changed the title of song not any words. Lol. I.e. Up"shits"Creek the title, but song still disses Mac, like they are one in the same.

[@mrsmicmac5548]

Tom is mainly a homebody due to Nova's health. That makes him a Man in my opinion. Much love to you 💕 #HOG forever

[@derekwk1]

That's right, and how many failed relationships has church had again?

[@derekwk1]

Church screwed himself even more. Toms a worldwide sensation, Upchurch is not.

[@timothyfifield6186]

Tom is a poser. He claims to be far right, but he's a Snowflake. He lies constantly to his fans and switches up his stories. Thats movement's of a boy, not a Man.

[@timothyfifield6186]

​@derekwk1 You don't even have your FACTS strait. Ain't that what you Tom fans are all about. Facts are Tom's numbers havnt reached upchurchs yet. Dig deeper into it and you will see the truth

[@Lunzatis_Palemoon]

​@@timothyfifield6186You and the other Upchurch fans aren't really helping. The fact that Upchurch decided to do something like this tells me a LOT about his mental state. The guy is NOT well mentally and needs help, which is understandable considering the bullshit he's gone through the last couple of years. Instead of doing childish petty ass shit, all of you should be trying to help him and get him some help. The reality is that this diss has really made Upchurch look bad on many levels and makes his fanbase look bad too.

[@danielshallenberger8799]

My mom and my dad hate each other too. I love them both. F*ck it.

[@aprilsarandos8855]

Same

[@rebelborn58]

right

[@RAZOR_RICKY]

Lmao not if your mother stole a million dollars like Ryan's mom did, you wouldnt

[@danielshallenberger8799]

@@RAZOR_RICKY that's true

[@lambofgod0086]

That's the best way to describe this situation

[@mcgovernoutdoors33]

Bro you don’t have to answer to no one! This is your channel and this is what you do! Keep doing you!!

[@bluharkness3921]

For the record we California's can own firearms and ammunition so Church doesn't know what he's talking about

[@brianhopkins5644]

Yeah, you guys can own them but your mags are nerfed and you’ll go to jail as soon as you think of defending yourself

[@bluharkness3921]

@@brianhopkins5644 still can get them and we have record numbers of boating accidents...

[@147salsa]

Church seems off... And he just reused daves crap disses ... hog tattoo, braids, blah blah....

[@Lunzatis_Palemoon]

I completely agree. Church isn't right mentally, which is understandable after everything that has happened the last couple of years to him. Instead of burning bridges and doing childish shit, Church needs to get some help.

[@nigel6956]

Mentioning a hog tattoo in a different way, is different. LOL! MAc didn't call him Farrah Faucet haha! That was funny.

[@redshed2020]

Meh. It's the same stuff said slightly differently.

[@timstarnes8587]

​@@nigel6956 No, but he did call him another girl name, Tammy.

[@doloreshamilton6475]

Agree. This is bait. Church is riding Tom’s video #FACTS. Maybe he’s jealous. 10M views in 5 days for #TomMacDonald #BenShapiro. Good reaction. #HangOverGang #HOG4EVER

[@derekleininger3468]

What did Tom do ? Seems like Upchurch is mad jealous, haven't really been hearing his name in a while yet Tom is constantly topping charts and being discussed in the world.

[@HangingwithMonica]

He's not mad jealous. If Ryan's pissed it's for a reason

[@Lunzatis_Palemoon]

​@@HangingwithMonicaNo, Ryan has issues and needs to see a psychiatrist. The fact that Upchurch "fans" like you are supporting this nonsense, is making things worse for Upchurch.

[@jeremylair9111]

He not jealous of shit he got alot more talent than Tom

[@jeremylair9111]

​@Lunzatis_Palemoon he don't have problems so u need to keep ur mouth shut

[@mickeydooley2230]

​@@jeremylair9111lol you're a goofball

[@zacharylyell6299]

Yeah, I don't know what's going on with Church. Said in a clip that Tom talking to the baby in the crib with the demonic voice was weird, while not acknowledging that that's the whole point. It's supposed to be weird, cause it's a representation of the messed up system. He said Tom is a satanist, because he said "Hail Satan" in his song "This House". Which again ignores the context. He denies making the "Travelers" remix with Tom. He denies they've ever been friends, despite there being an easy to find clip of Ryan saying, "he's also my friend". Don't know if he's gone off the deep end or what, but he just seems really caught up on things that don't matter.

[@90sMade0]

He was just baiting

[@PainIsALie]

@@90sMade0 Maybe, but this goes back to why? I agree with other people saying that he always in the middle of some drama and the common denominator is him. And it’s not public till he makes it public. Church’s career has plateaued and he’s desperate for a boost… so go after the “controversial” artist.

[@Twilight_537]

@@PainIsALie plateaued where? lmao

[@cuttin-edgevideo3528]

​​​@@PainIsALiethe timing is weird... 8 million views in 4 days, & a rushed diss comes out. Not taking away from Church, he ripped that swamp-people couple to shit! But this wasn't that. It's just a weird situation all the way around.

[@bstortz]

On Tom's best rapper ever church said "dude that was fucking awesome". It doesn't make sense

[@Knaztr76]

Church acting like he is the moral high ground is laughable.

[@vastravax7670]

When did he do that? It just seems he doesn't enjoy Tom. What's the issue here?

[@Knaztr76]

@@vastravax7670 On the diss track, acting like Tom is a bad influence because he’s talking to your kids. So he doesn’t enjoy Tom, why put that on the internet?

[@vastravax7670]

@Knaztr76 He used a line from one of Tom's songs. Clearly, he disagrees that Tom is a good influence or should be doing so. That doesn't mean he thinks he's better. I'm an awful person, but I also don't think that Dahmer would have been a good role model.

[@scottleroy1748]

OK first, I'm older, 52 and I'm a fan of both but not a fanboy. So looking at this from the outside I'm very confused. Tom did a song called Travellers and had Struggle and Church on it. So why the beef? What happened behind the scenes? Because Tom hasn't said anything about Ryan. I'm not saying this is the case, but it seems Ryan feels like he's falling off and needs to bite from Tom's blow ups. With all the system and his own family coming at his pockets, it seems Ryan is feeling some sort of way about his situation and is lashing out at someone who's done nothing to him. Tom's not trying to be country raps saviour he's done rock style songs, country style songs, pop style songs, rap songs and diss tracks. He's has a line where he says I ain't country rap, so why is Ryan coming at him? Makes no sense to me unless this is one of the greatest trolls in YT history and they got some collab in the works. Just seems like a piss poor time to release something like this with Eminem in the charts with a diss track and Cardi, and Niki beefing and Tom and Ben with the biggest ITunes song in the actual world. Eyes won't be on this the way they would if none of this other stuff was going on. I don't know the reason he (Ryan) did this, but I don't agree with it unless it's a promotional gimmick meant to draw us all in for something else. They should be coming together not just for the good of their fans but for the good of this corrupt country as a beacon for truth. Idk just an "old guys" rambling from the outside

[@redshed2020]

Travelers was Upchurches doing with Struggle and Tom as features..

[@cindyherring1998]

Absolutely! I'm 66 and a fan of both of them along with Acal & Struggle... I call this B.S. if it's a diss... Bag timing if it's a promo to a new collab. Either way... I'm not impressed and I do wish Church would drop some of his cursing... I can't listen to his music when my grands are around. 😢

[@scottleroy1748]

​@redshed2020 Regardless they both were on a track together, no animosity no hate in either direction, just seems poorly timed, and pointless as there was no pre existing beef between the 2. They both love the country they both hate the industry. So with no reasoning, and no pretext or context he's just gonna throw this out there? C'mon man...

[@charlesbryson7443]

A guy that looks like Ryan goes after someone else’s looks? He makes fun of face tatts, while he has one crying about his mommy. Jelly has tons of them, too. He stole the “hog tart” diss from Mack lethal

[@charlesbryson7443]

Hog tatt

[@dustinbeeghly7025]

“I got enemies got a lot of enemies got a lot of people tryna drain me of my energy…” hear that tune? Sounds familiar don’t it.

[@janarunsfw2708]

Precisely

[@billybumpers]

I'm sure he and Drake are real tight and Drake said hey, you should put some lyrics from my song in yours and maybe just tweak em a little.

[@tafinzer]

I thought the same exact thing.

[@korryspears3710]

Look a little deeper you shallow gene pools 😅

[@Gutslinger]

I never listened to Drake a single time, so I was lost by what this comment was insinuating. Lol

[@taylorsgaminghub6170]

It only has 64k in 12 hrs 😆 🤣 😂 tom had over a million at that point. He's got more subscribers then upchurch and he's done it longer than tom. This is envy at its finest

[@90sMade0]

Correction: Ben Shapiro’s song is #1. Tom’s original song, I’m Sorry, where he actually raps, my favorite song by Tom only has 161k views. He gets big numbers with his political stuff.

[@TheJokesterSCR]

LMFAO! That's adorable.

[@carolyne8797]

@@90sMade0I’m sorry has 8.9 million

[@90sMade0]

@@carolyne8797 you right . But…. He has been banning ppl out of his chat… dang. So much for freedom of speech.

[@carolyne8797]

@@90sMade0 freedom of speech is upchurch talking shit on the internet and his fans all in Tom’s comments on social media. Toms live stream was Tom’s space where he was talking about his new video. He wasn’t going to address it and doesn’t do all the drama nonsense. I was there during it. It’s taking away from all Tom’s fans there to ask actual questions because a 100 church trolls want to come in and start shit.

[@pixiebezona]

It’s unfortunate- not churches best lyrics. He threw this together to be relevant in my opinion.

[@MegsD79]

Dax posted asking if anyone wanted Dax and Tom MacDonald so my guess is that's what is coming from Tom next and that is what Tom will concentrate on. I love both artists but I'm #HOG4LIFE and found church thru Tom..... i hope this resolves itself without damaging either artist. 💙

[@curtisjames67]

What did you miss? Obviously he's jealous, Tom offered him a slot on Brave 2. Upchurch has been acting weird for several months he's been working on this for a while.

[@cindyherring1998]

Have you watched his "far out" videos lately? I think he's dealing with some issues and mentally blocked. He needs to get out that house, enjoy his beautiful land, settle personal affairs, let it go and start back with his awesome music! Love Holler Boys.... Lately I can't even watch these theoretical videos he's doing... Praying for Ryan.

[@Todrick451]

Right? The crazy part is it's taken Church months to write this trash diss. I mean, I know it's a bait track.... but there's no way he Actually wants Tom to respond.... does anyone actually think Ryan is on Tom's level Lyrically or Verbally?

[@robertgorman9346]

Yes, practically on the same level lyrically. Different, but both ridiculously gifted. Agree with another poster who mentioned Upchurch’s strange ways of late. May Tom can help him get clean and stay focused on his art. Either way, too soft of a diss for Tom to respond. If Church turns up the heat, Tom might come out to play.

[@Gutslinger]

He needs to get off the pot. This ish is pothead behavior.

[@Gutslinger]

​@@Todrick451Don't downplay Upchurch's lyrical ability. That just shows your blind biases. A lot his song lyrics are super complex.

[@christinemccloskey7429]

Jealousy is not a good look on anybody. TOM IS KING!

[@Niniof5]

KING???? NOBODY IS KING that is the PRBLEM you all have BLINDERS ON. WAKIE WAKIE TOMS math don't add up

[@nigel6956]

LOL! This aint Mac lethal bro. This is UPchurch warming up!

[@Cam1an]

rap was weak, like 1 to 2 facts that's it. the rest is ignorant and just hate.@@nigel6956

[@SwampDonky88-e8h]

​@@nigel6956oh you know it 😂

[@cindyherring1998]

Agreed... And they're not even the same type of artist. Tom's not trying to take over Country Rap... Lord Jesus 😂 He's crossed over many genres..

[@stewartwilson1]

Geez tom has song out already saying he won't name drop clout chasers . This guy brings out this song 3 days after Tom MacDonald brings out facts ... It's funny tom calls out these clowns actions before they do it Tom be doing his work Ryan be focusing on tom No wonder one is top of the charts and one isn't even on them .... And just like I though in last 8 days of Ryan's videos the one about Tom who is viral right now is performing higher

[@vastravax7670]

Tom has a long way to go if he ever wants to catch up to where Ryan is in terms of billboard hits. Not saying I am on his side or not in this. Dunno yet.

[@ExarchGaming]

I assume you're meaning Ryan is on top of the charts, because the dude is a 14x platinum award winning artist. If you thought he was just some youtube rapper.... you're sadly mistaken. Tom has never even broken the top 5, even with the help of a mainstream political commentator.

[@keekdkelly]

This HOG ain’t mad at you Cliff! It is what it is! You are just doing your job! 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

[@mistovan]

Ditto

[@HEC350]

Do you also have a sausage addiction? 😅😅😅

[@eyeamchriste]

​@HEC350 😆 🤣 😂 people calling themselves HOGs for Tom. I'm fking ded.

[@murtangames]

@@eyeamchriste Can't stop rednecks from rednecking.

[@jamiesmith5391]

Ded?

[@apriltucker1212]

When our County need to unity and come together. Chruch what are you thinking? Creek and Hangover battling over your ego? Or could this mean Tom and Nova are moving South? Could this have been in the works? If Tennessee don't want H.O.G upstate South Carolina has open arm's. Just a thought. Shoot Darius has a house in Greer and Cliffs.

[@tanya41277]

Ryan has no moral high ground here. After what he did to Kylie Rodney and her family he should be somewhere very quiet in a corner.

[@Gutslinger]

Who's that?

[@bwold9138]

Look up what he did. Her family dropped a defamation lawsuit on him in July.

[@sharonramsey1731]

He is offended by Tom promoting his own songs? Label or not, the end product has to be promoted. It's a a business.

[@jimmcallister4033]

He's offended by a Canadian trying to tell Americans what it means to be America. A a Californian Canadian talking about how ridiculous the kept is when you moved from a far left country to the most far state in America. Then has the balls to say he will save country rap. Also, the problem comes from Tom capitalizing off the political discourse in our country. And using trigger words to gain views while at the same time crying because the "system" is holding him down. Church never said that and is as popular or more popular than Tom.

[@Cyborganna]

Ryan seems depressed as Hell and I have a very small feeling He might be triggered seeing Tom making videos and stuff with His Family, whilst Ryan is going through it with His Mom. Big Fan of both, too, and if this is real I hope Ryan finds peace soon. These two are supposed to be Allies. Pretty disappointing sh*t, tbh.

[@leannemcrae8132]

You said what I've been trying to put my finger on. First thing was a post by Ryan talking about Tom's video The System. He focused on the wrong things and totally missed the message which was odd to me. Ryan is smart, not something I have ever noticed him to do. Idk what I'm trying to say but what you said is it!😂😂

[@felixbeaulieu852]

You are new to hip-hop or something? Your opinion sucks man, go back to pop music if you are afraid of a diss.

[@leighhunterjumperz3038]

I guess his mom's betrayal made him go right out the window -- my daughter stopped listening because he's SOOOO ANGRY ; left his girl... , Ryan has lost his mind 😔

[@catalinnicolaevici2061]

Why he leave his girl

[@taylorludwig32]

​@@catalinnicolaevici2061he can't keep a girlfriend for anything!

[@toashez2410]

@@taylorludwig32 Seethe more roastie.

[@chelseahaley8350]

I'm with u...I like them both, and won't choose sides! If they have beef, it's between them! #HOGCREEKSQUADGANG! 🤘

[@chrissyl1464]

Well it sounds to me that Upchurch is dissing Adam, Tom, and Madchild, just by the title. Church hasn't even reached 1 million views in the last few songs he released. I like them both but I will be with Tom no matter what. He also dissed Nova and Jared by dissingthe video. Pretty low dissing Eminem fans as well. Many Americans sit on the fence when it comes to politics. So he is dissing Americans as well..Church just wants clicks...lol 😆 🤣

[@vastravax7670]

Not Eminem fans. Church is one. Dissing Tom for begging for Eminems attention so much. Tom begged, and begged, and begged. Almost as badly as Dex. Shii is annoying.

[@Brianstr2]

Nothing happened. Upchurch has been throw shade for awhile. Tom had never acknowledged it.

[@jeremyloyd79]

Wrong Tom said he was coming to country Rap and fix it. That pissed Church off cause this is lane not yours Tom

[@BlaineBranham-no9ik]

​@@jeremyloyd79 Tom never wanted to be labeled as country rap.

[@samr5066]

@@BlaineBranham-no9ikyeah that’s why he did a album with Adam Calhoun and the first verse of white boys he talks about being a redneck and blah blah blah I’m not copying the lyrics afuckinggain you can look it up

[@giannihatzianmevris1861]

​@jeremyloyd79 when did Tom actually say this?

[@carolyne8797]

Tom never said it

[@kcv1966]

He's jealous of Tom and Adams relationship 😅

[@kandieskew2268]

It was said that he was supposed to do a feature on their last album Brave 2 and it fell through at the last minute there were quite a few people thinking that there was some jealousy about Adam and Tom's relationship

[@catalinnicolaevici2061]

​@@kandieskew2268he probably is going through some shit in his life and someone said he left his girl also and the guys he depending on fell through...

[@OHiYoCHIC]

🙄

[@BitterBettyCarole]

Honestly, I don’t think Tom would ever take the time to respond to this. I feel like maybe Ryan got his feelings hurt somewhere. I use to Rock with Church until all this. HOG baby. Love you Cliff

[@donaldellis8116]

Church is badass but seems to be losing it with all his own drama. So what is he going to go after A Cal next? Tom has already won. When you have top tear artist stopping for clout, you know you got them. When’s the last #1 for Church?? Cmon Church get focused and do you and stop the wokeness. If you have to go after someone to bring them down then it shows you’re not on top. Where is your shit about making America better? Where is your stance on our Governments bull shit? Yep crickets!! Let’s hear those beats, not some lame ass childish banter!! We all want Church back, not this sniveling oh my feelings are hurt so I’m going after someone shit.

[@TheThriftyVeteran]

Groupie much Danielle 😂

[@TYinNH]

Upchurch has gone of the deep end. Lost his fuggin mind

[@CristyB66]

💯

[@redshed2020]

Yup. Drama drama drama all the time anymore.

[@christineg3381]

Fr. I’ve been seeing his IG stories and vids & posts the last few days & I honestly cannot figure out what’s going on or wtf he’s talking about

[@karyntownsend]

NO!!!

[@michaelthomas229]

Wtf y’all have lost y’all’s mind in the web touch some grass 💯 Tom is fake asf playing political mind games with all y’all 💯

[@lizabeth4453]

Upchurch is so talented; his lyricism and musicality are stunning, but I see more and more of his videos as concerning. This ain't it. If Tom responds to this, it's sorta like what Katt Williams said about Kanye West and watching him. - I hope Tom doesn't allow the distraction

[@patrickbarnes9874]

This is just dumb. Mac Lethal pretended Tom was being serious when he was obviously using satire in order to come up with a justification to diss him. That was pathetic. But this is worse. While the substance was wrong in Mac's diss, at least it was there. This song has no content whatsoever. I do like the music, but the lyrics are empty and lame. If you're going to diss someone, then say something. This is just hot air.

[@saddletramp5000]

If you think this is all Ryan has in his bag, you're sorely mistaken. Ryan wouldn't have started this if he wasn't ready.

[@Gutslinger]

​@@saddletramp5000I wouldn't care what else is in the bag, when I can see the bag he's pulling this out of is trash. There's no need to see more. There's nothing of substance that really warranted a diss. What was the main complaint seemingly about? That he thinks Tom is trying to be a country rapper? Lol I'm not even a big Tom fan. Never even bought a song of his.

[@darlaharrelson6487]

Cliff Beats , I feel your pain. When you like both. But you handled perfectly. Great job.

[@lockandloadshari]

As I've watched Upchurch's life spin out of control over the past couple of years I find this attack to be so sad. I hope Tom doesn't respond because there is so much personal stuff that could be used against Upchurch in a diss track but I so don't want to see or hear that. I've been a fan of both of them but if Upchurch is going to force us all into picking a side I'm falling with Tom. I hate that he did this!

[@keith32482]

Ever since his mother screwed him over...

[@bwold9138]

Ryan doesn’t seem to be able to live without conflict.

[@Bluegrasssgal66]

I hope he does if u love & respect True Hip Hop. Rap Battles are the best....

[@dannymidkiff8256]

Seems like church is on drugs

[@Illthallion]

I am a fan of both, started listening to each around the same time last year. I do not know why this track was put on wax or the trigger for its creation, but it has tarnished my perception of Ryan Upchurch now. Independant artists proving the industry is not needed, these two artists are leaders in the game without a record label. Just my freedom of speech opinion here. Thanks for being YOU Cliff, we (subscribers) appreciate you.

[@jeremylair9111]

Because Tom said that he should do country rap and he would make it bettet

[@timstarnes8587]

​@@jeremylair9111when did he say that, and did he say he would specifically make it better than Ryan? Just asking, please cite sources for people who dont have IG or X.

[@cindyherring1998]

Yes, THIS! AND yes, thank you Cliff. I read your body language... This disturbed you as it did me... I've heard nothing that would cause such a bitter diss.. it makes me very sad.

[@joebarber420]

Go get HOG TATTED ON YOUR CHIN THEN! THIS IS CREEKSQUAD 4 LIFE

[@bwold9138]

@@jeremylair9111You heard him say that?

[@TheSinDen]

Cliff this why you inspiration to me totally natural when it comes to your reactions!! I know you in a tuff spot but great reaction. Upchurch released a short like 8 days ago with this showing the song done.. I don't get why he waited.. I scrolled the comments since shorts dont have dates on them lol.. Its like he knew the Tom n Ben song was coming n waited...And Tom would be talked about every where

[@xKillerClownx]

Shorts do have dates, what are you talking about? On PC or mobile, date is in the description, accessible by click the 3 dots button. Button is on the bottom right on PC, top right on mobile. lol

[@TheSinDen]

@@xKillerClownx Thank you I did not know that.. the short was posted 9 days ago Jan 22

[@7Evolved7Shadow7]

Tom MacDonald popping up on CNN? Idk that might be a lie. If my research is correct. Tom has popped up on Fox News, America Voice Live, NewsMax. So even if he did popped up on CNN he popped on a variety of other news channels. So for some reason Upchurch left out, and decided to solely mention CNN.

[@10SecondZ06]

Upchurch makes fun of Tom’s face tats but yet Upchurch himself has a recent face tat about his own mother scamming him. 🤦‍♂️

[@joshuaclark3414]

He made fun of the hog lip tattoo which is gross

[@mifnp8887]

Why is Church even starting beef? What is the purpose? Dude is fucking CRAZY.

[@Videosuperfuntimes]

Cocaine is a hell of a drug

[@morgizmo87]

Its diss season you whiny punk, shut up and enjoy.

[@jodiebasye9798]

I think he is just trying to get attention.

[@CadillacJak]

Because Tom said he's coming to save country rap

[@jodiebasye9798]

@@CadillacJak no it's attention

[@garyrose9805]

The former biggest independent rapper trying to get some clout back. Does anybody really believe Tom rode Ryan’s coat tails to carve the path he took. Dirty someone’s catching views probably with his crowd because of the 2 albums he did with a cal. Being independent ain’t upchurch’s lane.

[@suzanne7569]

Does Tom Macdonald have a big forehead? Bwahaha.😂 I loved Travelers. Dude has a great singing voice. But Tom stole it. Also liked Die Tonight. Checked out a couple others from Church... and never felt moved to subscribe or listen again. Then came across a few shorts recently, where he seriously came across as unhinged. Guess I don't have to bother to unsubscribe. Came here to see what this was all about. Not giving Church the respect of a single view, cuz he's dividing the fan base.

[@HopelessObserver]

I think the reference is to Tom having a big head but then also Ben's yamaka too. So killin 2 birds with one stone.. i guess

[@2011bapc]

2 of my favorite artists and I hate to see this happening.

[@Lunzatis_Palemoon]

Unfortunately this is going to hurt Upchurch more than it will help him.

[@capitankak]

Same - possibly to bring them both from underground to above ground. This'll lead to something bigger for both of them.

[@redshed2020]

Tom hasn't said anything publicly about Ryan.

[@lovemyplanet24]

I like the direction Tom is going... He is battling the controlled music industry. That's the battle every independent artist should be on!

[@Outkast353]

That’s what he says. More like he’s fighting to get more money in his wallet. “Hey guys I’m being suppressed please buy my song on all platforms to help me fight the music industry” mean while he’s got millions of views and is charting. “I should be trending at number 1 not number 2” that’s not being suppressed or censored.

[@skyt3265]

he gives me the corniest trying too hard vibes

[@michaelthomas229]

Pay attention people are afraid to criticize Toms fakeness Hog Bots will cancel you establishment plant tom is 💯

[@michaelthomas229]

@@Outkast353facts facts facts

[@1PauloGoncalves]

@@Outkast353 Ur logic is so flawed i dont even feel the need to educate u brother, so ima just be ironic to see if u get the point. 😊Weird i don't see tom name dropping other independent rappers without a reason 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔 is it because tom and bens top 1 chart rn? maybe 🤔🤔🤔 Idk 🤔🤔🤔 or maybe is it cus tom's message is really about unity ? 🤔🤔🤔🤔 Sounds weird to me idk. 🤔🤔🤔And i love some upchurch, but dude on some heavy jealous type shit or some heavy clout chasing shit lmao

[@MNspikegrow]

To be honest I was expecting way more. Tom's not even responding to this.

[@robingibson419]

I hope there is a real reason for this behind the scenes.....he's talking about waves, kinda like the 9 million view wave he trying ride on, hahaha.

[@4gave1]

Exactly...TM has the #1 song in the country right now...sad to see Up resort to clout chasin

[@mfgoldenswag7155]

No he does not 😂😂​@@4gave1

[@sharonramsey1731]

Or is this simply Upchurch simply trying to slipstream on Tom MacDonald's number one download?

[@dvictor11]

Absolute facts right here.

[@Niniof5]

orrrr is this telling the "FACTS" about TOM???

[@Todrick451]

yup... classic clout chaser. Tom already gave Ryan the only reply he deserves: "No Response"

[@joshcrocker4584]

He said he was coming for him before tom dropped the video on Friday so no he's not

[@smalltowntxscratcher6573]

​@@Todrick451your a 🤡

[@papaschuette]

Hey Brother. I'm a fan of both for sure. But, all the talk , and spamming, about the "Diss", I expected it to be better than you look like Hannah Montana jumping on a tank with no rifle. He basically did the same thing that Mac Lethal did. Make fun of the outfits Tom has worn, his tattoos, and claim he's infringing on "their style" of music. I don't expect a response at all. There is absolutely no reason to. I mean, Tom just made a #1 single with Ben frickin' Shapiro. No way in hell Upchurch pulls that off. As far as diss tracks go, unless Upchurch was holding back, this was pretty weak. With this track being completely out of the blue, I suspect Upchurch's new album release coming up has a whole lot to do with it. Let's see who he goes after next. #SenselessBeef

[@Spookybecky420]

I hope Ryan gets the help he needs. Ive been worried about his mental state long before any of this. I don't know if its drinking, drugs or both but Im praying for you Ryan that you will come out the other side the man I know you are 🙏

[@cindyherring1998]

Amen! I've seen it as well in these live talk videos he's been doing. I hope he can get himself straight and find peace within.

[@justingiles9992]

Between the ordeal with his girl and then his mom added in he has fallen off over the past couple years it’s pretty obvious he’s fighting demons as his channel is mainly drama anymore and add in the drug use he’s in a bad place and now chasing others success to boost his own.

[@joshchoate9499]

He in a good state u just do understand the inside of country rap church is the best and 1st Tom acting like he is saving country rap when his music is not country rap its just political rap

[@chrissagee]

Upchurch is acting like a 3 year old, with a generic diss track. Nothing hard hitting.

[@runyunhyde4373]

​@@chrissageegeneric diss track,? Are you serious?

[@tinasmallwood9546]

I think Tom said it best in Don't Look Down... "I don't write raps replying to trash"...

[@ernestinegrace4593]

YESSSSS!!!! 💯

[@wrldisyours3328]

He replied to Mac Lethal. He's trash. Never really even had a career. I couldn't name 1 song by him.

[@dondavi5798]

Sorry. Quit messing with Ryan a loong time ago. Every week he has some drama. At first I thought it was rough luck. Then I realized after 4th time he is the common denominator. He's pulling a Scru Face. Trying to get some drama started just so he can ride the coat tail since he lost his schtick.

[@joelstillson6713]

I said something similar last night... Unfortunately it seems like Church is the scru in this situation 🤷 kinda sad to see really

[@RAZOR_RICKY]

Literally going on tour next month lmfao how the fuck he lose his schtick

[@joshjones-dk5bt]

Yall some bandwagon fans and just straight clowns 🤡...why are you commenting on stuff you dont like.... foh

[@Jeffny13]

Ryan hasn't lost a thing Ryan just finishing what other people started this isn't a diss track th8s a bait track he want tom to say something cause he coming with the real heat next

[@CrimeCricket]

Your loss. He's not losing any sleep over it.

[@HangingwithMonica]

This is the bate track. You know what Ryan can do and what he's capable of. And you just said all this while I wrote this 😂

[@PainIsALie]

Bait? Well then Church is fishing in a puddle in the city. Tom’s not gonna respond because he’s got nothing more to prove. He is the biggest independent rapper, maybe ever. Church is probably butt hurt that Tom didn’t include Church on his last record with Adam. I mean Adam is being quiet and Church’s complaints about Tom started shortly after The Brave 2 released… just suspicious timing 🤔

[@xKillerClownx]

He opted out of being on the album, he wasn't intentionally left off. Exactly what he said in this track, Tom in some ways is trying to drive in the country rap lane, and he doesn't belong in that lane. 🤷‍♂

[@tinalschmidt-banks3415]

Who heck is he decide what lane someone should be in. He is one to talk doing covers of Rock songs. What a hypocrite

[@PainIsALie]

@@xKillerClownx So Church thinks Tom is trying to get into the country rap scene? That doesn’t make sense. If it’s true and he’s basing that on his collab with John Rich which was only the hook, he obviously doesn’t know Tom. Tom is in his own lane like a mix of 3 different genres excluding country specifically. Church shit on Tom’s song about the System too, nahh, his issue goes deeper than some country rap thing. So, I stand by what I said and I’ll even ad that Church’s use of the “N” word in his recent music has some people that used to ride with him wondering why he’s going there. I’ve already seen 4 reactors release videos saying such. Why is he using that word and why did he only recently start using it?! Church’s career has plateaued and he thinks all this is going to boost his numbers. Honestly, it might, so I guess we’ll see. But Tom wont help him. He’s already talked about it in interviews and numerous songs, ie. “Bite My Tongue”, “No Response” and “Don’t Look Down” just to mention a few. I guarantee you Tom’s also getting Mac Lethal diss vibes being that so many of Church’s fans are Tom fans and that didn’t end well for Mac Lethal and Tom felt bad about it. Think about it, by dissing Tom you’re dissing a lot of your own fans. Tom doesn’t have to do anything, Church did it to himself. All you have to do is sit back and watch him gain Tom haters and lose Tom fans. We’ll see if clout chasing works in his favor.

[@xKillerClownx]

@@PainIsALie Adam rides the country rap lane. And there is a line in this track that mentions Tom on Twitter talking about doing country rap better (I haven't seen it, that is purely based on what said in the track). You also have to realize things go on behind the scenes that most of us wouldn't have any clue about. Tom and Adam have made 2 albums together, Adam says nigga a lot, and Church has said it in the past, it's not some huge shock to the system. Mac Lethal hasn't been relevant in almost 20 years, it's not even near the same level of "controversy." Tom does Rap and Pop, what's the third genre I'm missing? Upchurch does country, rap, rock, has covered Elvis, has made songs with 80's feel. Look, I love both of them, they are the 2 primary artists I jam to. Admittedly, I do favor Church a bit, because my roots are country. But these comments are clearly littered with a lot of butthurt Tom fans who don't seem to realize that to stay on top in the rap game, you have to battle your actual competitors, which Upchurch certainly is for Tom. Tom has some really good skills when it comes to diss tracks, I certainly acknowledge that, but I also know that Upchurch got a decent portion of his fanbase long before he even started releasing music, to a large extent by dissing people. Personally, I'm sure Church can make tracks that shred Tom, and Tom would probably be right up there with him coming back. It would actually make for some GOOD diss tracks. A lot of people in these comments talking about how "weak" this track was, don't seem to realize that when it comes to diss tracks and battling, artists don't go full throttle right from the start, the initial track is more of a bait track, intentionally "weaker." It would actually benefit both of these artists to do some battling. Tom can't sit there claiming to be the #1 independent artist without ever defending his self-proclaimed title (views only mean so much, especially when you're comparing these 2 artist. One advertises non-stop, the other advertises essentially never). "No response", "Don't Look Down", etc, are exceptional tracks, but constantly backing down from challenges, or only responding in roundabout ways, isn't going to do him any favors either. And I'ma be honest, saying you felt bad for tearing someone apart in a battle, is pretty fucking weak in and of itself. But I still respect Tom. Church isn't clout chasing. Hell, Church actually helped Tom build some of his fanbase. Church, in his own rights, blew Adam Calhoun up, which in turn has helped Tom grow also through, now 2, collab albums. Church has a greater net worth, by 50-75%. Tom typically gets more views (though again, we do go back to the advertising factor). And nobody knows what even happened behind the scenes that really set this off, but so many people like to throw insults and accusations. Church hasn't peaked, neither has Tom.

[@PainIsALie]

@@xKillerClownx So much nonsense in this novel. Okay, let’s just address the following numbers. Church has gained about 500k KZbin followers since ‘22, Tom has gained 2.2 mil since ‘22. Don’t even get me started on skill. Go back and look at the comments on Church’s “Travelers” featuring Struggle and Tom Macdonald, the comments overwhelmingly praise Tom’s verse as the best by far. I bet an ego like Church’s couldn’t let that go. Nahh, I’m sorry to burst your bubble but Church clout chasing and the numbers prove it. It doesn’t matter if Church did or didn’t help Tom get started… where are they now?

[@JasonSandifer138]

Nobody can fuck with church’s diss shit period. No one has you in shock as much as him and I’m all for it. That last bit about the sausage addiction as me rollin!!!

[@Ginaarceci]

I was Patiently Waiting for you to react to this. I knew you'd get to it when you could. As soon as you said no name dropping i was waiting for the next line to see the look of shock on your face. I am a massive fan of both of them and both of their songs have had a massive impact on my life in the last several years. I guess jan is the official diss month of 2024.

[@TheJokesterSCR]

LMFAO! Homie straight up resorted to using Mac Lethal diss material at the end there. I'm sorry, I know you're cool with Church, and I like some of his shit, but this wasn't it. First he pulls an MGK and tries to make a catchy hook in a diss track, but then even steals fuckin Mac Lethal's material LMFAO! This was straight cheese. And he's really talking shit about Tom's looks? How long has it been since he's passed a mirror? Glass houses, my friend... glass houses LOL!

[@kuro_emiya]

church also got his gap fixed because he was insecure about it, talk about hypocrisy lol.

[@hisbean]

I have followed both, for quite some time, but this makes no sense. All the bs going on in the world, all the horrendous artists in the industry, and Ryan chooses to go after Tom? I feel bad for all Ryan has gone through, but this isn’t going to help him. Those men share a mass amount of fans. Why try to divide people?

[@butterflymama0838]

As a Tom MacDonald fan, I must admit that Upchurch did alright here. Didn't diss too terribly hard. Tom is too busy to be concerned about him though. I doubt if he responds. What would be cool though is if Nova did! 😁😆

[@Jeffny13]

She don't want that smoke this wasn't a diss this was ryan being funny the neat coming next don't worry even if tom doesn't respond church coming again

[@de4ds1ghtcsgo94]

​@@Jeffny13you're not ready for pissed tom. Remember who his friends are is all I'm sayin. Upchurch is good. But he's not dax😂

[@Southern-creeker96]

@@Jeffny13 U got that right

[@Southern-creeker96]

@@de4ds1ghtcsgo94Dax only wish he was half a good as CHURCH….#Ryan Upchurch is a legend (GOD) just give in to him

[@Jeffny13]

@@de4ds1ghtcsgo94 church don't need friend but do u know who h8s friends are

[@MrMars-sb3yq]

Yunno, i wanted a rap beef this year, just not this one. I grew up watching church, but im also a hog. im so torn right now 😢

[@gymdragon5929]

Ryan is just jealous that he is not as big or as well liked as Tom.

[@alahad]

the thing is... Tom doesn't look down... so I don't expect a response, no need.

[@Gutslinger]

Let's hope he sticks to that. That's honestly the best thing to do.. This diss crap is corny. Especially for whatever reason Upchurch is doing it for.

[@alahad]

@@Gutslinger sure but for entertainment purposes it would be cool, I love Maclethal Sucks haha, such a good dis.

[@Gutslinger]

@@alahad I can understand it for entertainment purposes. But I know most people, especially fandoms of either party, can't separate themselves from it and only view it as entertainment.. Personally, I've got plenty of other things to entertain me more than a couple of dudes puffing themselves up and flapping their gums over superficial or materialistic bs.

[@chantibergwerff4251]

After the battle with Mac Lethal Tom said that he would't name drop or do a rap battle again because he did't feel good about himself afterwards. We'll see what happens. I'm HOG but I'm not gonna pick sides. I'd rather see them collab like they did before than battle eachother. #HOG

[@22smcrrider96]

That was my thought! Even tho he slaughtered lethal he wasn't feeling good about it! I am guessing he just ignores this but idk I guess time will tell

[@TheJokesterSCR]

@@22smcrrider96 There have been multiple people dropping diss tracks at Tom. Probably time for another No Response or Don't Look Down where he brings out his true rappity-rap and shows that there's levels to this and these guys aren't on his.

[@22smcrrider96]

@@TheJokesterSCR I agree with you it would be nice to see him show these dudes what he can do. I'm just saying I sorta don't think he will! But I hope I am wrong!

[@Lunzatis_Palemoon]

​@@22smcrrider96If Tom does anything, it will be something like "No Response" or "Don't Look Down." Don't expect anything like the Mac Lethal Tracks because the one thing Tom has consistently done his career is kept his promises.

[@cindyherring1998]

@chanti I agree. This is all unnecessary and frankly it turns me off when artists do this. If you have a "beef" handle it man to man... Not on the tube. I've never liked that from anyone.... Tom did say he didn't like the way he felt after... That means he has heart & integrity. I hope he lets Ryan rant it out and figure it out on his own. Artists lose credibility with me when they pull this crap. I'm 66 and love both their music... It's DIFFERENT, they are DIFFERENT... Church, ya gotta grow up man and work out problems another way. I'm not impressed with this at all. 😢

[@JohnSmith-ud9ex]

In a time where in America the only priority should be unity I think that this is petty, selfish and born of personal jealousy and insecurity. Neither Ryan nor Tom are perfect but what I do see is Tom repeatedly trying to unite people... How about you Ryan ?

[@xKillerClownx]

Tom is an anti-woke rapper. In that sense, he isn't trying to unite people anymore than most anyone else.

[@Swinehub]

“Uniting” everyone with his ever changing political views that go with whatever will get him the most clicks so he can collect his paycheck. Ryan says and does what he wants and lets everyone watch for their enjoyment and doesn’t care if you like it. Which one of them is selfish again? I’ve been watching Tom for a long time he contradicts himself and switches up. At least Ryan knows who he is 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@Senseiseak]

​​@@Swinehubclearly don't listen. For the past 2 years politically stood by each statement made. At least. 😂🤣 Pay attention, I think Ryan is just bitter and whining like a child to try ride Tom's name here. Jealousy is just ugly on anyone. Swear kids on FN make more substantial disses daily.

[@andrewross1708]

Lmao he's a puppet.

[@derekwk1]

Perfectly said. My thoughts exactly, what's church doing for the world or ppl , nothing , hrs been complaining about ppl while trying to make wiierd ass videos about how stupid ppl are.

[@redshed2020]

No idea why Church did this. But then, he's been constant drama for a while now. Highly doubt Tom will respond outside of private discussions but I guess we'll see. Edited to say I understand this is a diss, but going after Tom for staying home or being careful around covid knowing Nova's health issues and that he's almost lost her in the past is a total dick move and makes me lose a lot of respect for Church.

[@karigann9047]

Tom has been trying to unify while also letting people know what's up with the world. Upchurch just showed that what ppl have been saying ab him might be true. Sad, very sad. I'm sure tom is going to stay classy, he doesn't need to respond, church wants attention.

[@J35T3R87]

Im not understanding what with all these transgender "disses". Tom MacDonald i believe has made it clear his stand pn the subject. To try and bait him by calling him transgender is confusing at best.

[@saraohara2504]

@J35T3R87 yeah all the trans disses are repetitive & lazy - AND they don’t make sense because, as you already said, Tom has been very clear what he thinks about that stuff. What Upchurch is attempting to do is make fun of how Tom looks & Tom’s chosen style, and then stupidly try to suggest that Tom isn’t much different than trans people. Upchurch’s overall purpose, though, is to try to attack Tom in a way that Upchurch thinks will trigger Tom into responding. Church acts mentally ill sometimes.

[@ickilla]

Calls tom out for being a huge em fan but has himself said em was one of his biggest influences and has done a few tracks over em beats lol

[@CSpad]

It was a diss because of how desperate Tom has been for Em to acknowledge him. From buying the auction beat for 100k to name dropping Em on tracks or tryin to diss him on Twitter etc. Tom is & has been a wack rapper with 1 cadence, horrible hooks & just recycles the same bars to latch onto peeps living in political echo chambers

[@jeremiahfyan]

You dont get it do you... Its because Tom dickrides him and always tries to call Eminem out. Tom is getting exposed and yall too far on his nutz to see it

[@fitzroy6970]

I been saying Tom was wack as fuck 😑whenever ppl have a problem with em and rappers like Tom is around and nobody says shit about him tells me it’s jealousy of em

[@jswo2300]

church ever make a stan song for em like tom? hahahahahaha

[@jessicarichter6436]

Be serious. Tom has used Ems name to get attention and made a whole Stan song for Em. Loads of people have called Em their inspiration but they ain’t begged for ems attention like toms has.

[@MikeWhoo-gy5jq]

All Ryan is doing is clout chasing his numbers are down and Tom is on top lol Tom has 9.3 million views in 4 days and Ryan ain’t broke 600k on his song he dropped 11 days ago that’s why Ryan waited till Tom dropped his song

[@vastravax7670]

Ryan has deleted videos that had millions upon millions of views and still made money. I don't think he really cares tbh. Dude is weahtlyn enough to fuck off the rest of his life if he wanted to.

[@webymcduck]

I have 6 boys. He's acting like they did when one was jealous of the other.

[@TwanaJoyHildebrecht]

Note the Top 2 Unmatched Songs that Just Popped into My Head . . . 🎶 No Response 🎶 🎶 Don’t Look Down 🎶 With an Honorable Mention of 🎶 This House 🎶 Upchurch Will Be Just Another Flag With His Spine As The Flag Pole - Straight Up Legit 🤗

[@williamspence690]

I don't know, those songs listed are my absolute favorite of Tom's. No Response being the best IMO. But unless Tom come back with something like that, this won't go well for him. Upchurch destroyed him here.

[@jrhjrh899]

Upchurch cannot stand that Tom McDonald is way more relevant than he is and saying he is gay is pretty funny when Upchurch cannot even keep a girlfriend for longer than 30 days and how is it okay for Upchurch to rap about Nothing But Country and pickup trucks but he makes it his business about what time raps about it's sad

[@dianaklien1560]

I am concerned about Ryan’s mental health at this time. He seems to be running towards a cliff. I hope he stops and turns around and finds help instead.

[@korryspears3710]

😂

[@pauly9540]

​@korryspears3710 you laugh but its true look at him now. Hes a mess

[@korryspears3710]

@@pauly9540 your wrong. I think Ryan is just fed up. Instead of being serious tho he's just goofing around

[@bwold9138]

He got another law suit dropped on him in July by the family of that missing girl he said all that crap about. For defamation and doxxing her dad. Ryan just lives in conflict and craziness.

[@pauly9540]

@korryspears3710 yeah but all signs point to mental health and hes probably suffering

[@bleeddr.pepper664]

It's funny how Tom hits #1 WORLD WIDE and now let's start name dropping for attention. Why now Jealous Church? You have the love Cliff all you can do is be honest and keep it real.

[@xKillerClownx]

Church said he was doing this like a week or more before Tom released the track with Ben. You're so far off the mark you can't even see the target anymore. 🤣

[@realityruinnow4464]

Tom's not going to respond, there's no reason. Don't know why Church decided to do this, all I know is his clout chase may backfire. Many of Tom's fan base supports Church, I won't give him the views or the song purchases anymore, he lost a fan here.

[@rasmaster2111]

Why would church need to clout chase a rapper whose only popular for his pandering political songs while church's songs these days are 95% not political, maybe he just hates when fake people just sing shit they don't believe in to get fame

[@realityruinnow4464]

@@rasmaster2111 Listen to whoever you want to, I fricking don't care, even the Creaker's aren't showing up for this drop, a day old and only 100+ k pitiful. You think that’s all Tom puts out is political songs, huh? Then you don't know ish about Tom, He has way more non-political music in his albums and vids. But hey his music on cultural and social issues which people call Political really isn't, it's against the Political Correctness of today's society. Bye...

[@rasmaster2111]

@@realityruinnow4464 ur delusional if u think that the majority of people who know of tom don't know him for his political songs, anything he puts out that's not political/rage bait doesn't do numbers, and who cares what a random unannounced song does for numbers the first day, ur just annoyed it was good

[@realityruinnow4464]

@@rasmaster2111 Depends on what you call numbers on a song, being decent numbers? For the past 2 years, Tom has put up consistent numbers, Ryan hasn't.

[@nowayjose584]

Upchurch is one of the realest... His diss tracks are the BEST! ❤ him

[@brizzain7618]

not sure if this diss really hit for me, it came off as attacking for clout, not sure on the numbers for them both as in comparison though, and the punches missed, sure it was comical and catchy, only thing it has imo as far as diss track, either Tom Responds, or he doesn't. I think he will though. just for the fun of it

[@TheJokesterSCR]

Nah, Tom will almost CERTAINLY ignore this hot garbage completely. Which is exactly what he should do. IMO, that's an even bigger diss than an actual diss track. Tom's had quite a few new people talking shit recently. Seems about time for another This House, I'm Sorry, No Response, or Don't Look Down to remind these goofy clout chasers that they don't really want the smoke. When Tom really gets into his rappity-rap bag, Church isn't on his level.

[@brizzain7618]

@OneSickDrummer I said Tom might just for fun, to be honest, I agree, And This track from Upchurch made me lose respect for him. It just seems so bitter. Tom is clearly more skilled than him if Tom gets serious. I really hope we get a no Reponse 2 track that would be epic

[@xKillerClownx]

Numbers are mixed here, Tom typically gets more views on his videos (he also advertises his music non-stop, where Upchurch doesn't advertise much of anything). Upchurch has a significantly higher net worth, and still has ~1/2 billion more total views on KZbin. Church also tends to sell more albums on iTunes/Apple Music. I tend to think your perspective is clouded because you are more of a fan of Tom than Upchurch, and that's fine, it's understandable. My guess, this is about exactly what he said, Tom is driving in the wrong lane (country rap), which, in some ways, I can see that. Church didn't make the lane per se, but he did pave it, and made it where other artists in country rap were able to grow (Adam Calhoun is a good example of that, honestly). Both artists have the ability to produce absolute fire, only a fairly equal level, in their own lanes.

[@RayVyn64]

​@@xKillerClownxYou can't really use the album sales as a metric. Tom has only given 2 of his albums away to the streaming services, both of the Brave albums. The rest of his albums are exclusively physical copies so he's not feeding the streaming platforms. He usually releases 4 or 5 music videos from each album and that's it. We buy his physical cd's and enjoy the rest of his songs. Win win..we get to enjoy them and he gets the money instead if the technocrats.

[@missshirley9893]

Church has lost his marbles

[@nickpayne6960]

Because he called out a anti 2A pro war "rapper" Clown

[@tonybackwardsspellsy-not6104]

I think Ryans bitter because Tom collaborated with John Rich, well get ready while Church is crying about it February's coming and Tom and John are gonna drop another song, this past video is at 10mil views in 5 days so im sure tom doesnt give a shit

[@jesselyons8277]

I find it hard to believe he’s bitter over John Rich when he did a song with Clay Walker

[@Todrick451]

@@jesselyons8277 You think Clay is more famous than John? I'm not saying it's over John.... i think it's just clearly jealous of Tom's success and honestly skill. Tom has grown dramatically as an Artist since Church featured him on Travelers....

[@CrippledMenace]

Hes def mad ben did a feature with tom and not him 😂

[@backroadrunner5769]

​@@CrippledMenacewhy would he? Ben sounded like a opossum pussy fart

[@ridiculouslycoolguy]

Or maybe Tom is just phoney as hell... I am glad to see him getting called out.

[@nickk2299-]

I didn't even bother watching this video, I just paused it immediately. I'm not a huge Upchurch fan, there's a few songs of his I like, but I don't follow him that closely. But the last few months I thought there was something off with him, he just seems like he's lost it or he's letting his success get to his head. I don't know, like I said I don't follow him closely but I guess I'm not the only one who's noticed that he's been acting odd or something. I doubt Tom wastes his energy because he's so focused on promoting Facts. Who knows though? Maybe Upchurch said something that Tom can't ignore, I haven't listened to the diss and probably won't unless Tom responds

[@searavenger3836]

I like both artists, and i will continue to like both artists, im not going to get bent out of shape because of a little disagreement, Great job cliff.

[@derekleininger3468]

Tom does a lot for constitutional awareness Ryan makes us aware of his family drama . I'd like to see Tom lyrically crush him but will Ryan be able to handle it emotionally

[@kiwidadygirl]

So you would like to see the impossible? Aint gonna happen.

[@jeremyloyd79]

That ain't going to happen! 😅😅😂😂😂😂

[@theskeptik1]

Tom can’t compete with this. 😂

[@Swearengen1980]

Tom can't crush Ryan lyrically. Tom's lyrics are straight forward and simple. Most of it a 10 year old can understand. Upchurch is one of the best lyricists out there. Now Tom does have a lot of ammo since Ryan's a bit of a clusterfuck right now....

[@saraohara2504]

@derekleininger3468 Upchurch came for Tom like a pissed off, obsessed, unstable ex-girlfriend - off her meds & wanting to cause maximum drama

[@tamonten5990]

Upchurch just trying to breathe life into a dying carreer. Been a fan of both for a long time but he is clearly not all there at the moment. Going after Tom for clout cause he lost a bunch of his fanbase acting weird, and can't get close to the views Tom is doing. Bait or not the track was weak, said nothing new almost all the same superficial disses as MacLethal did. Hope Church seeks help, and gets over whatever is going on with him but think we all know. Sad to see such a legend fall so hard.

[@aa_solemates89]

😂😂😂 yeah ok.. go to his catalog and then come comment back after you’ve done listening to greatness over political songs every week that sound the exact same. lol CREEKERS mfkas🤘🏼🤘🏼🐖🆚🐻

[@derekleininger3468]

Last thought Ryan is upset Tom touched on country hip-hop so Ryan is calling him a Culture vulture lol

[@mistovan]

I wondered about that too. I’m a NC boy and I wasn’t ruffled by those.

[@korryspears3710]

Church is only protecting our country thru musial influence. Leave if you ain't a patriot

[@Gutslinger]

I don't even recall Tom ever doing country rap, outside of when he was on that track with Upchurch and Struggle. Lol Which is super ironic.

[@bwold9138]

You could call Ryan a culture vulture for taking rap and putting it in country.

[@jimmylarge1148]

@@Gutslingertom said he was “gonna come save country rap”.

[@AndreJHoward]

Gotta be honest that was very well put together. That's a banger.

[@michaelsaylor4903]

I was surprised he casually threw in the N word. He didnt do that when he battled scru

[@Brianstr2]

And wtf is this stay in your lane crap. It's called being versatile. Tom experiments with many different styles. Would get boring otherwise

[@Gutslinger]

Doesn't Upchurch try to do rap, rock, and the corny Nashville "country" music? And he's telling someone else to "stay in their lane"?? 🙃

[@BibleLovingLutheran]

As if Ryan didn’t try country? He should have stayed in that lane and not merged back. Tom would own his azz

[@donaldrebelrousershinerrom4083]

The full Nelson Mandela bar is cause Tom was a wrestler "Full Nelson"

[@markheckman2196]

So he thinks bringing something up no one cares about is flexing.

[@brandonlanders3277]

​@@markheckman2196Look at all you Tom fans getting butthurt. Toms been whack

[@brandonkoch7059]

Yes, but that has already been used before. It's not original.

[@zeroiceice008]

You did what you should of done your job, much love, i like both Artists H.O.G. forever

[@lisac243]

I think this makes a lot of people uncomfortable because they like both talented artists

[@ericsmith4256]

Upchurch has been looking desperate AF here lately. Picked a cellular time to diss, the man has the #1 song in the 🌎

[@nigel6956]

First of all, Ben made that a number one, everyone fast forwards through Toms verse to get to Ben. 2nd Ryan is working the culture, the batttle is a huge part of it. It's funny how Toms piglets don't want Tom to respond, he don't have a choice and I'm here for it!

[@AngelSinner444]

And that song is TRASH!

[@timstarnes8587]

​@@nigel6956How about the other 40 Billboard #1's that Tom already had before this one?

[@nigel6956]

@@timstarnes8587 What about them? They could all be the same damn song, with the same key and shit chorus's. LIsten, if Tom actually had depth to what he raps or what Nova writes for him, I would probably be a fan! But he just doesn't do it for me, as a hip hop old head. There is a reason the most successful restaurants in the world are fast food, it doesn't make them gourmet.

[@timstarnes8587]

@@nigel6956 ok, thanks for your opinion. 👍🏻

[@gingernutter32]

Personally i think ryan got salty about the brave 2 and not being on it

[@TheJokesterSCR]

Right? There was literally no good reason to do this aside from being butt-hurt over something like that, or simply for clout chasing.

[@janarunsfw2708]

He was invited to be on it. He said no. So be it.

[@letsreallytalk9482]

@@janarunsfw2708 Since you seem to know a lot or act like you do at least, can you enlighten us all on why Church released this now? Church usually never releases a diss unless you come for him first, so what did Tom do to Church to provoke him to diss him, if it’s not about views and clout? Did Tom say something about him or what? Cause honestly this came out of nowhere and just looks like he wanted to get views and saw Tom getting a lot of attention and figured he would diss him during a time he had a number 1 out with Ben, and wouldn’t go hard to get an actual reply, so he can get views. To me this looks strategic on Church’s part but if something is going on, and Tom started it, let me know and I will take what I said back and apologize

[@MikeWhoo-gy5jq]

Ryan is just clout chasing lol Tom has 9.3 million views over 4 days and Ryan can’t pull 600k in 12 days with his last release

[@xKillerClownx]

@@MikeWhoo-gy5jq Using a one-off video to compare is a bit naive at best though. Tom's recent video only blew up like it did because of Ben Shapiro, not because of Tom. As a note: I like both Upchurch and Tom, I like most of what both of them release.

[@RossGold_]

The way Upchurch says My Boys My Force is a mocking of Tom’s Whiteboy song hook

[@billybumpers]

Upchurch making a diss track today is bringing up a 6 year old song reference. This isn't a long running rivalry with a decade or more of hate like Em and Bumzino, using a recent example. Sounds like Upchurch has been hating in hiding for years or it's jealousy or possibly even a marketing tactic to hit more people.

[@RossGold_]

@@billybumpers possible

[@Todrick451]

@@billybumpers yup... Probably why Church deleted Travelers ft Tom from his channel a few months ago... Hard to claim you've hated someone for years when you worked with them and have their feature on your channel.

[@RockinMamaT]

Absolutely it is. Wonder what Tom's response is going to be❤😂😂

[@RossGold_]

@@RockinMamaT if he responds seems like he’s not even paying attention to it and just doing his own thing

[@SoullessGingersnaps]

Thank you for this reaction! I appreciate your knowledge on both artists and the perspective of your reaction 💚🤗🍀

[@SparkimusPrime]

This is the most Upchurch reactions I’ve ever watched 😂😂😂

[@mids5854]

Honestly cliff your reaction to this is the best part of it. Ryan getting manic and putting it out there so everyone can hear.