Update on the New Horse Barn!!! // Draft Horse Stall Dimensions

Today we have another update on the new horse barn! I have been working on the barn project this week and have made a lot of progress. I want to explain to you about the stall dimensions for my draft horse stalls and tell you why I am making the barn this particular way and why I use standing horse stalls instead of box stalls for my drafts.
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[@georgesherman5345]

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[@mmelchior2904]

Just placed my order for the calendar. I found your YT channel not many weeks ago; I really enjoy your content. You've got a great family!

[@seanstephens8121]

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[@lesthompson5907]

Dad had the same tip of a stall in the pit. he often spoke of them I love the stall The wood will keep them warm. yes, well done Jim. spot on. Les England

[@Ronald-hx6zn]

Im enjoying watching the older videos while Jim is in recovery mode. 😊

[@randybutler4772]

Nothing like new wood. Wish it would keep the new look. Thank you for sharing.🐴🐴🐴🐴🐴🐴

[@bilgeratjim]

Your slope on the floor is 1.67%, or .2/12 , in case you care. Happy belated birthday, welcome to the good side of 60!

[@debbiebjorklund3241]

When I first watched 1 of your vids, I knew you barn looked well built. Now I get to see it in its infancy. New wood smells so good mmmm. Beautiful. Your lucky horses. Yrs of expense built your barn Beautifully ❤ I can tell😊.

[@johnholbrook8215]

Jim, great video! My wife & I built our own training barn to house 16 head of gaited horses. I am an overly particular type person that thinks he has to make everything as close to "perfect" as possible (level bubble has to be on dead center & no split/cracked boards etc... Soo... needless to say it has taken us quite awhile (we both have day jobs) to get it done. You are truthful when you say horses are very "destructive". We are so glad that we went "heavy duty on all of our stalls (2" white oak) as they have held up nicely against 2 of our stallions that are excited stall kickers at feeding time. I say all of this to say that you did the right thing going "heavy duty" on your stalls, especially given the "bign's" you have. Also agree that if you do it right the first time, you won't have to re-do things a second time!

[@stanhensley3082]

Well done Jim.The new stalls will serve you and your horses 🐎 well. Thanks 😊.

[@zantomko1780]

So nice that you are able to harvest the wood with the horses and then mill the lumber. They helped build the barn! ❤️

[@elizabethgrace7354]

I LOVE your stalls and the work you do with tour horses!! A true working horse is rare nowadays but I believe them to be healthier and happier for it. They have turn out for freedom, they are well taken care of and the way it works for you is what matters

[@timmyfields6159]

Wow, I think your the first vlogger I’ve watched that spoke the truth about real life. Take care of you family and herd, we are a side note.

[@roberttailspin6330]

Our box stalls had that wall to wall, seamless floor installed before we bought the place. That seamless floor works great. We don't have to worry much about rot from manure and urine. Those conveyor belts wear like iron, but when we had them in the work shop, sawdust would find it's way under them, so every now and again we'd have to roll them up and clean under them, lest we'd forever be tripping over the edges. I wish that we had beefier walls like yours, as we've got a draft cross filly that's broke a few of the 2x8 spruce boards that our box stalls are made from. We have water run to the barn, but even with the water supply being 5' below grade, the frost has still made it down that far twice since we took over the farm 5 years ago and have had to dig things up to resolve the issues wherever they've occurred.

[@katherynlamarche7308]

Jim I always watch if you have a video I will watch first . Thank you so much.Julien Lamarche.

[@DS-yz1nn]

Hmm pretty sure the BUD Clydesdales would be proud to walk into those stalls amazing Jim well DONE

[@WorkingHorsesWithJim]

Thanks!

[@mfc4591]

As for the water story, we never had water in the stall, it was never an issue. I like the strong timber, its way better than other materials and the floor or deck will wear well as you said. Enjoy the week end, looking forward to see how you progress and yes, family and your horses and farm etc, are more important than youtube .

[@campcookhenry]

Looks good jim, I did see on the hoof GP channel,he’s a hoof trimmer in Scotland, that they have these mats for dairy cows , that are like temperpedic beds , he went to Wales to see these things and the woman who’s farm that installed these , said right after she installed these mats , she walked into the barn and all 200 of her cows were all racked out ,it freak her out ,they were all asleep,really asleep. I have no idea how KZbin thinks I needed to watch trimming cow hoof’s in Ireland and Scotland and donkeys in China or people doing farm work or ranching ,with horses or mules or donkeys , but I’m now subscribed to a bunch of them. I truly enjoy your channel, , the last time I was around a Percheron was the last horse on my grandma farm, Daisy, she probably was almost 30 years old, I was 5 and they’d put us kids on her and lead her around,that was 1960 , she was born on that farm ,before WW2 . My great grandfather,I was told loved his horses, my dad was sad when she passed. Thanks again Jim

[@WorkingHorsesWithJim]

Thanks for sharing and for watching

[@chrism1164]

Thanks for showing us what you're doing. Lots of work!

[@railroadman57]

Beautiful job Jim the stalls are looking really nice ! i know the horses will be happy to have news stalls too ,, thanks for this nice video i look forward to them .

[@782sirbrian]

I like the heavy construction, the saying 'Nothing too strong ever broke' is a good thought to keep in mind. I use the term 'Brunel standard' I.K.Brunel was a railway engineer here in the UK, his bridges and structures are still standing 180 years later ! Best wishes Brian

[@thomascooper5668]

Well done Jim and family lovely job very tidy

[@hwilliams4415]

Your stalls are exactly like the ones we had and they worked very well. The horses were very comfortable in them.

[@jerrybaldwin7543]

Good job on the barn looks really nice 👌 👍 👏

[@claraconlan6557]

The barn’s lookin’ great. Can’t wait to see the horses in their new stalls. Happy belated birthday. ❤️ to you and your family.

[@kimfleury]

Just the run of the mill construction delays. It's always the first thing contractors say to budget for. It's looking good and I hope you'll get your horses back where you want them soon. 💕🐎

[@joycehennequin8469]

Good evening Jim,yes l did enjoy this video,looking forward to seeing the horses in there....they'll be glad to get back to there stalls l bet.All the very best 🌱🌱🌱💕

[@Bret4207]

Good job Jim. I wouldn't worry at all about the water. You and I both know Northern NY in winter is 5-6 months of worrying when the power will fail and the pipe will freeze, or a horse or cow will bust something and you find 6" of ice on the barn floor. Dairy barns, especially the old stanchion barns, were warmer and didn't have the issues a horse barn does. Any way, I use a similar slip board system and it works great. Good idea on the crap dropping back into the alley too. Tamarack makes a good stall floor, wish we had some up here on the farm. Far as width goes, I agree with your thoughts on horses turning in the stall. I've had a couple of knotheads that would do everything they could to turn and fight with their neighbor or try and get themselves into the manger. I finally put front board up at where the chest/neck meet height and didn't have any more problems with them getting into the manger. I have had some horses that had really lousy manners as far as trying to crush you against the wall if they could. Tie stalls help with that I think, especially if you remember to take an 18" hunk of broomstick in with you so you can get it between him and the wall when he tries to "lean on you". They figure out that pushing into that broomstick isn't near as much fun as squashing the guy that isn't bringing the feed fast enough! Had cows that would do that same thing. I think we all have to do what our individual barn layouts and livestock demand. I have a heck of a time trying to find room for 2 different herds of goats and 1 of sheep, a separate mixed herd of young stock not ready for breeding, rams and bucks, plus horses and cattle. The barn is NEVER big enough and it seems like there's never enough hay! I guess that's life. Take care and have a good Christmas!

[@monicastone5844]

Thanks for putting out this video about building horse stall. I’m in the process myself & you just showed me a better way to put my floor boards under my mangers. Thank you!

[@WorkingHorsesWithJim]

Glad it was helpful!

[@FransvandenBos]

Nice job Jim and familie, you all have dun jour part.

[@tommartins712]

Looking real good! I wouldn't put water in each stall, even if it was easy. With your weather, there is more chance of pipes freezing (minor benefit). many training opportunities lost (major benefit). just more things to break (minor benefit). As you work or turn out your horses almost every day, and you need to feed them, taking them to water gives you an opportunity to give them an extra once over to spot problems that may be missed otherwise (major benefit). just my $.02 .. thank you for the update!

[@sueflynn9886]

Really enjoyed the video, the stables are coming on really well!

[@robertenglebrecht668]

Don’t forget to install a chandelier in Lady’s stall. Lol. Seriously you will like the mats in the stall…so much easier to keep the stall clean.

[@curtislow6018]

No worries, one has to do what has to be done on a farm. Appreciate your knowledge, wisdom and humility Sir 🇺🇸🦅

[@tonyjones1378]

Thanks Jim great job 👏👏👍🇺🇸

[@timothymoore2672]

There is always more work on the farm then there is time. Coming along great Kim. GOD Bless and have a great week end.

[@MrsMcbey]

The straight stalls are great for working horses plus they don't take up so much room. I put my riding horses in straight stalls My grampa said they were the easiest to keep horses honest lol thx jim for vid

[@jamescox8233]

jim may i say i think you are doing a fantastic job on the stalls , jim you are a very smart man, i enjoy your videos , ihave learned a lot from you , say hi to the beautiful ladies in your life for me, god bless you all....jim dartmouth nova scotia canada.

[@perrysmith6872]

I'm sure all the horses r gonna love there Christmas present ...

[@coldspring624]

You have worked that farm and horses for decades. You also walk that barn every day...far be it for me to say anything but praise about your choices and methods. Last fall I had to haul the logs out put them on the mill and rebuild our stalls.....having a sawmill and timber is a real blessing.

[@herbertlittle2699]

Hey jim ,your horses barn look great i love to see it when you finish it good job.

[@libertybelle4921]

I live in a condo and enjoy seeing the farm and horses. Stalls look great.

[@davidmunro1469]

Thank you Jim. This is a wonderful set up. I worked on race horse farms thorough bred pacers and trottters. Box stalls are dangerous for handlers and horses. I had some close calls. Well done.

[@gastoncannon4710]

Awesome job, Jim. Your horses will thank you 👍👍👍👍

[@steveadams99708]

I like the stalls like yours for working horses, box stalls for riding horses. I think what you are doing is great! I wouldn't change your watering system.

[@amandarose1925]

Thanks so much for sharing your barn build! I have never seen anyone use the old style tie stalls locally, and I am fascinated by them. I kept my horse in a local stable that was actually a converted hog barn...low ceilings, uneven concrete floors in the stalls, big giant box stalls (it had originally been converted for broodmares and babies in the 50s), drafty in the winter and stifling in the summer. We spent so much money on bedding and supplies trying to keep him off the concrete, and I know of so many horses who got into trouble because the stalls were big enough they had room to build up some traction. Except for the worst parts of winter, those horses spent as much time outside as possible, just to keep them out of the barn. How well do those wood floors work? Do you have the replace the boards often because of urine damage? Around here you're more likely to find compressed gravel or concrete than anything else, all of the old-style barns are gone or have been converted to storage. A note of experience, one of the stalls where I kept my horse used reclaimed conveyer belting from a local coal mine as floor mats. They did not install it properly, but I can't recommend it. The mats were filled with wires that poked out from the edges, and it was warped just enough that nothing fit snug. The horses were constantly tripping over the edges, urine would get underneath it and stink up the whole barn, and two or three times a year we would have to rip it all out powerwash everything, and carefully put it back together. The only benefit of the thing I ever noticed was that that stall was just a little bit warmer in winter; the mats weren't really very cushioning for the horses that were in there, we still had to pile in the bedding to keep the horses from tripping over the edges. Thank you so much for sharing your barn design, you have given me a lot to think about when I build my own barn in a few years.

[@petermcfarlane4592]

Beautiful looking job Jim,L just love watching your videos and your undying love for your family and horses,keep up your endeavours mate xxx

[@richardransom7391]

Yes Sir to channel the wall so a broken board can be removed and the board above slides down to just add a top board works well indeed is what we used but as 2 inch boards your 4 inch is way better indeed 👍

[@maggiesue4825]

I know nothing about horse stalls, but they look very sturdy and well-made.

[@jimborer1524]

I have straight stalls that are 8 feet long from the Manger to the back. My mangers are 36 inches tall and 30 inches from the wall at the top but run on about a 45 degree angle down to the wall where they meet the floor. I use rubber mats from Lineat rubber that are 4' 8" wide and that is the width of the stall. Stalls are 3" oak. I wish I had the channel iron you have and the slope on the floor. My harness is in a box stall that I have converted into a tach room since I don't raise babies anymore. I like what you have done.

[@jontalbot536]

I know nothing about horses but I enjoyed listening to your explanation of how you approached this build.

[@marvinrathke3640]

Well done Jim. The stalls look awesome and will serve you well.

[@jimcraig5208]

The stalls look great Jim

[@suecastillo4056]

We had box stalls with access to outside corral… don’t remember size exactly but they were comfortable. The outside was graded down at a gentle angle for drainage… mangers were a corner of the stall next to a Dutch door that we opened in the am when we fed, and closed when we fed in the pm… we put grain on top of the hay flake when we fed it… the stalls were so easy to clean as we mucked everything out the back through their paddocks… most didn’t poop in their stalls they went outside…( bless their little hearts!) my perch/quarter mare was the best, as well as my Tennessee Walker… natural feet from when he was foaled, great temperament!… very gentle and smart. I miss them a lot… they saved me as a kid. So grateful for my experience with horses as a kid.❣️love your videos so much!

[@lacielowery8111]

I'm looking into building straight/tie stalls & it's amazing how little info, pictures & videos there is out there. Your video is by far the best & has the most information in it thank you! I do wanna add that you should be careful with leaving the manger open on the bottom. I lost a horse to not even a 6 inch gap on the bottom of a manger that was at a 45⁰ angle several years ago. She laid down during the night in a box stall & when she went to get up she got her foot stuck. Found her dead in the morning with her foot still stuck. Even if I would of found her in time she would of most definitely had a broken leg & needed PTS.

[@WorkingHorsesWithJim]

Yes it surely is a concern. Sorry about your horse

[@thomasgoad3695]

Love your tie stalls . When I was in college we had trail horses in tie stalls but backed in and not as wide. We had to feed them from the front . Was feeding a gated horse ,and he bit me in the chest and through me across the room. Of course he was wanting his feed. I was cautious from then on

[@m.harris2429]

Hi Jim, we have greatly enjoyed your progress on the stalls, and your detailed explanation for why you did what you did. We’ve seen some of your other videos where you have lead the horses to the trough and they don’t even drink. What with your freezing cold temperatures in upstate NY, you’ve made a good decision about that. Happy belated Birthday. 👍🐴❤️

[@jimcour291]

Great looking stalls Jim! We used to build similar. When you talk about water, I can always remember being told that the reason for not having water in the stalls is that a "hot" horse would drink too much and founder. That is always what I think about. I am not working the stock I have now so much, so I have box stalls but I do take what you say about harnessing. You have to rethink everything you used to do, but that is life! Again Jim, I love the videos and the knowledge being shared

[@darwinbenedict3541]

Barn stalls look great! Also, seen the Ken video about exercising more. Wondering if it has helped his legs.

[@kswaynes7569]

Yes! Your horses and barn are far more important than a video! The Pioneer dealer I bought my fore cart from, harnessed his team in the morning, They stood in the yard hitched until he needed them (they had stood hitched for over 4 hours, the dealer told me). Doubling up the floor sounds like a hidden moisture/rot issue to me. How about a layer of builders felt (tar paper) between the floor layers? It's not water proof but does breathe and will lessen the urine damage to the 4" layer of floor.

[@WorkingHorsesWithJim]

That would have been a good idea, unfortunately it's too late now

[@ellisc.foleyjr9778]

Stalls look great Jim, nice and beefy! and with any horse. the beefy works out. they can be mischievous at times to say the least. I was curious what your plans were for cleaning with the skid steer now I know well thought out especially the scarf joint on that one spot so the skd steer won't be able to snag it. thanks for taking the time to share that with us. ECF

[@jerryjarrell2373]

Thank's for sharing Jim you and your family done a great job on your stalls can't wait to see the finished job

[@hattiemercer5764]

Looking great Jim , I am sure your horse really appreciate the newer stalls when they all get done .

[@annebartz9175]

Hi Love your stall I use tie stalls and box stalls. I like tie stalls I don't have alot of room so i can fit more in the space I have. Tie stall ate easier to clean and less bedding is wasted. Your doing great job use what work best for you ❤🙏👍

[@timidater4803]

Drafts are so strong!! we had some tie stalls that ours broke 2" oak boards!! Your stalls are nice and heavy!

[@kingwood4357]

That is going to be some good-looking well build stalls when finished. A big improvement to your horse barn, I think. Anxious to see the horses back in their new stalls.

[@hokeepokee8102]

That belting works good! And it’s the right price

[@andreas515c2]

Hi Jim, I think you made really good stalls for the horses. There are a lot of good ideas and experiences placed into the construction. For me your horses get some great stalls whee they can relax from the hard work they have to do. Thank you very much explaining that project. Farm on, Andreas

[@steveluepke9654]

Good looking job Jim. I was thinking it must be nice to go to the woods and get what you need for lumber without going to the local lumber yard, which would cost you a fortune for that size material.

[@butterflylover1347]

oh its good to see that......wish the horses can stay warm in some way......

[@tawniafreeman3818]

The stalls are looking great

[@ponygirl5716]

Thanks for the details and explanation of what you are doing and why you are doing it. I was one who had bought your stall should be wider than even the 6 feet, but now that you explain it, I could see that being a problem if they try to turn around and actually get themselves stuck. The only thing I would do differently is figure out some way of keeping water available to the horses. I know people have kept horses your way regarding water and they seem to do well with conscientious management, as I’m sure you do. Water is just so critical to horses’ health that I like to offer it to them 24/7. It’s also easier for me to fill the buckets and it’s done. I need to take the horses to the water source frequently. I know you take excellent care of your horses. You have a system that works for you. Great!!

[@Jeremiah--gr8ve]

Jim, the stalls look great, and I understand the 7 ft. length dimensions & making the mangers 3 ft.., because of the center beam. but now that you have that extra room you could build cabinet stands to hold drinking stations/ small stainless steel drinking sinks or place floating drinking sinks to the right side of the front corner of those mangers and install a gravity flow pump for each, and put them in each stall, and run a main water line piping along the back wall to hook up the piping from the sinks to it and mount the pipes with u-brackets to the wood on the rt. side wall of each manger! Have them about 3 or 3 1/2 ft. off the height of the floor plank boards! I know you could make them Horse proof! You got the skills! But perhaps you don't have the time! Oh well, just an idea!

[@joeorbeck8999]

Very interesting on how you are building your stalls. Am not a horse person, but do light construction at times. Great explanation of how you are making your stalls and the reasoning behind them. Wish I could have been there to help out:). Thank you for the great video.

[@billybooth293]

Love all of your videos! Never been around horses much. Carpenter work and light farming all my life. Thanks

[@donaldshields2483]

This is another good job you usually do a good job so keep it up

[@cathiwim]

We dont have water in our stalls either. They share(two Morgans and a donkey) a 12x 24 metal leanto addition to the barn. They can all lay down, and whoever is guarding sleeps near the opening. They have a pond and three 100 gal tubs they drink from. Feeding is hay on the ground in a hay ring, anf three buckets on the fence, and i guard the donkey while he eats.

[@bdradley1]

Thank you Jim THATS what I needed. All the dimensions are a huge help!

[@benzoverakers1877]

You know what you need for your horses best.

[@shoutingatclouds6841]

Looks nice good work 👍🏻

[@curtiswolf313]

If everything you are doing is what works best for you then that's the way to do it. I'm sure as many years as you've had horses there are things that you wish you had done different and your chance. Looks good.

[@jerrysorn8521]

stalls look great! not to be a nitt picker but finish the ceiling before you get the stall finished[much easier to get the ladder in place]

[@douglasbruce1713]

Looking good, thanks for sharing.

[@erikajegl2762]

Well for me I’ve prefer the box stalls because the horses can move around and lay down better and have something to look at instead of having to stand in the same spot and look at this wall but everybody can do what they please! But I watch your channel always , I do enjoy it very much !

[@WorkingHorsesWithJim]

Thanks!

[@frankbrown9618]

I think it may depends on how much time your horses spend in the stalls. If more than 6 - 8 hours a day (as usually happens in the equestrian clubs) a square box may be better. But Jim uses his horses almost every day, and they have intense working day, going through a wide variety of places and situations I presume at the end of the day they all they want is good food and good rest. :-) Ciao from Milan!

[@hughwhaley3179]

Nice stalls

[@melissabaanders2751]

I worked on a sheep station in australia, the farm had boxes for the riding horses and stalls for the carridge and draught horses, the floors where cobbled, and the stall mangers and walls almost same, the only thing different is they had wooden balls at the end of the tie up

[@FritsKooijmans]

I think the way you water your horses is fine. Especially because you're working on it every day. Hobbyists do not want to have too much work with watering but you are amazed how easily the horses get those automatic drinking bowls broken, especially in this type of stable where they have that thing right in front of them all day. In nature, horses also do not have water available all day.

[@aporter701]

Looking good.

[@lolMyke]

I agree with you Jim your stalls suit your purpose. Like you said you work your horses daily so this stall set up makes perfect sense. Working horses need different set ups 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@oldcountryman6987]

Good looking stalls. We have always had both tie stalls and box stalls in the barn and purpose for both. Some folks don't like tie stalls, but if the horses are being worked and have access to pasture I think they're great and very handy for working horses. I'm glad to see you building them strong. You mentioned horses fighting over the wall, we had a mare kick the divider down against her neighbor once and ours was two inch oak. I have rebuilt our draft stalls recently and even lengthened the mangers in the box stalls with a feed box on each end in case I need to double up in them (of course I would tie the horses at that point).

[@robbullis5025]

You could do a angled 2" thick boards from the block wall back to the front of the stall. Then the hay would always be moving back to the horses. We never had water in our horse stalls when I was a kid. The milk cows had water in their stalls and we also had a broken drinking cup a couple three a year and then had to muck out a flooded feed alley.

[@herbhouston5378]

Good and solid looking stalls! Fine job.

[@jenvonoepen9420]

I would have had your horses face the outside w windows and put your harnesses on brick wall. You could also have a door w a hay rack attached to door to let them out each day. They could come in from the center aisle into each stall as tge do now. I'm not a fan of straight stalls as I think their joints would deteriorate quicker but I certainly understand the positives of your process for harnessing.

[@jeanhawken4482]

The stalls look good. I love the drainage issues it keeps the areas so much drier. The mats will be good. It seems to me that providing a horse can drop their heads they can snooze. They don’t seem to go down to snooze. Not sure about the big horses.

[@swamprat69er]

Your horses come first, yourself second and us viewers are dead last. That is a good looking barn. Standing stalls are better for working horses, IMHO.

[@fernlintner65]

Excellent information this is exactly what I need for practicality issues. Box stalls are great for horses who are kept in 24 7 and need a little space for stretching out but just for overnight this is perfect and I love the answer to the argument of you can keep them in there tacked up and ready without even more hassle. Great video and explanations

[@WorkingHorsesWithJim]

Glad it was helpful!

[@suzie9905]

Looks really nice.

[@jmesecar]

Everything looks great

[@Dinoxt12]

Good Job.

[@sueupham2519]

Excellent and very nice...

[@br927]

I'm with you, I wouldn't put draft horses that you use every day in a box stalls either! Good job, Looks Great! We had a horse that would work the planks right out of the stall! He'd get that front foot just a digging, my Dad would have to put it back in about twice a week!! We never had water at our stalls either, always let them drink out of a tub, and limit what they drank. you don't want them over doing it!

[@kennethshew1681]

Box stalls are to give boarders the warm fuzzy feeling there horse is staying at the Trump tower, and too much time is spent cleaning them plus added cost of many mats and large amount of shavings for bedding, your stall idea is efficient and cost effective, cleaning forty of them would be a breeze!