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Review and guide for AtomOS 10.3 firmware update for the Atomos Ninja V. Discussing the new "Legalize" option for fixing the log recording issue.
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[@geraldundone]

Two quick notes! 1. A couple times I say "waveform" when referring to the spiky bits. That's actually a histogram. 😜 2. Special thank you to Alister Chapman for letting me bounce some ideas off of him for this video. 🙏 *Update: 3. I've uploaded a follow-up video answering some of your questions about the Log/HDR toggle: kzbin.info/www/bejne/oZXYhI2Yg7CBidU

[@PostColorGear]

1. Good job Atomos 2. Thanks for the demonstrations! 3. Alistar Chapman is the man.

[@CalebWarta]

Question if you manage to find time! Leeming luts to color correct HLG footage on the sony cameras works great but is there any tricks would would recommend for the exposure when vlogging outdoors? Doing it manually is working 90% of the time but cannot seem to find a way to let the camera take control of anything to help when moving between the sun and shade without it under exposing everything.

[@JamesireV]

2:56 Now that i have been playing with recording ProRes RAW, I wish they can add the legalize option in RAW mode too. currently when in RAW mode with Slog3, the in monitor HDR is turned on and greyed out.

[@jordanbeckfilms]

Dude you have just changed my life I’ve been struggling so long man with my footage just changing the clip attribute to full has changed my life’s thank you so much. I’ve been wondering for years why my footage just looks crunchy and different and spent countless hours correcting and finding weird solutions. God bless you forreal

[@GeneSizemorePhotography]

Gerald, I'm a 30 year career IT professional who has recently made a leap of faith from the toxic world of IT to my passion of creating and filmmaking. Definitely in crawling mode here but the more I shoot the more I enjoy the art. I have found that because of my tech background, i've been learning fast as the technology is pretty easy for me to understand. Throughout my career I always had a saying, "Ask the right person, the right question, and always question the answers you get - truth is hard to come by any other way." I was quite known for this philosophy. I've recently discovered your channel, and I have to tell you (no shock to you as your huge following no doubt testifies to) that you are speaking my language, and your information is beyond reproach. I think if I had more people like you working for/with me in my IT career I would have stuck around longer. I've learned more from you in the past few days then any other creator on youtube! Thank you so much for what you do! Someday, when I start making money, i'm planning on coming back around and fully supporting people like you who got me off the ground. I wish I could buy up all your merch.... but still in "Starving Artist Mode". But THANK YOU for the level of effort and time that you put into your videos. You are raising everyones game, and you just can't put a price on that! My Undone quote for consideration, haha - "You are the gift that keeps on giving!" :-)

[@yangz0327]

i have no idea what Gerald is talking about but somehow i still watched the whole video... lol

[@dsmcreativestudio617]

jaja same here

[@Glen.Danielsen]

yang zhang Same here, Yang! Xièxiè.

[@loyalfans-kxngunkasaxxx2223]

Yup lol

[@speedbird737]

same here lol

[@JE2PO]

ha ha agree but somehow you feel better for having watched it in the hope that you might get some of it.

[@FTrovatten]

Gerald as I wrote you in an email, you’ve been the channel I’ve been binge watching the most, coming up on KZbin! You have so many great years ahead of you on this platform! 👊🏼🔥❤️

[@AdWiseGroupie]

Yes, this 3-year old video solved my Ninja Log issue. Many thanks!!!

[@jayphilipwilliams]

"It's probably your range that's limited." Love it.

[@CamsCampbell]

That actually made me laugh out loud

[@GabrielaMonteroTV]

Great to encounter expertise in this world! Thank you! Will update the Ninja V right away...

Nice upgrade from atomos! As far as your question about deleting luts, the only way I accidentally did it was loading an incompatible LUT into the Atomos. When you get the message "Error Loading LUT file" it actually deletes the LUT in that slot! Cheers

[@DaryleHamel]

The table, the light, you, and your subject / content- love it. Looks great Gerald and always appreciate your well researched, tested, and delivered content. 👍👍

[@geraldundone]

Thanks so much!

[@RickTorres]

This is so timely for me, Gerald. I was up late last night trying to figure why my Fuji X-T3 Eterna profile Ninja V recording was more saturated than the SD recording . Thanks for the Full to Legal LUT and stay safe out there!

[@timotuunanen6450]

This is interesting. Did you review your footage on the screen of your X-T3 and Ninja V, or on your computer? I did some testing today by shooting F-Log and Eterna using Legalize:On/Off and found out that in case of X-T3, I need to set Legalize:On regardless if I am shooting F-Log or Eterna. Otherwise my Eterna footage gets crushed. I reviewed my footage in Resolve.

[@RickTorres]

@@timotuunanen6450 Yes, I reviewed my footage on my computer using FCPX. Once I loaded Gerald's Full to Legal LUT on my Ninja V, I made sure the the "During Record" was active on the LUTs screen-- a red "f" circle will flash on & off on the left side of the Ninja V telling you it's on. Once I compared the footage, the Ninja V recording looked like the Eterna footage I'm used to seeing on my SD cards. Legalize:OnOff was not necessary.

[@geraldundone]

Yes, in the case of the Fuji it seems to output all profiles as full, including Eterna. So, yes, legalize would be useful for Eterna as well as F-Log in this case. Or you can do the conversion in post. Of course, again, if using Resolve, it's not necessary as you can just switch the clip attributes to Full in post and record without the legalize option on.

[@RickTorres]

Gerald Undone Thanks, Gerald!

[@retrospective]

How to delete LUTs on Atomos products? Answer from Atomos. "The LUTs will remain in the system memory but you can simply overwrite these with the LUT you want to change or replace. The request to have a delete option has been sent to engineering."

[@geraldundone]

Cheers!

[@SserpensS]

@@geraldundone Any update on this? Did they add it? It has been 3 years since...

[@rickvestuto]

I wish the Ninja V had "OVERLAY" An overlay feather is a 20% to 50% occupancy of a previously recorded video So you can line up the new video in the exact same spot This is useful for when you want to do stop motion or make things disappear and /or reappear Please influence ATOMOS to add this feature in a future firmware update Best regards, Rick

[@L6XXMEDIA]

they actually did it too I wonder if it was your comment.

[@WorldofThaiFood]

Amazing. This explains some challenges we've faced in FCPX with F-log recorded on our Ninja V. Couldn't get our heads around it. Now it all makes sense. Will do the firmware upgrade right away. Thanks for great content!

[@khaledalkindi1519]

the only channel on KZbin that I ring the bill on! man you are the best by far in doing reviews. always on point. thank you for being "Crazy" haha

[@hazeion]

I just wanted to say.. The sound treatment you've done in your location has really helped a lot. Good job.

[@reservoirvideo]

Question, did the new AtomOS 10.71 firmware update remove the legalize feature? I don't see that option when the Log/HDR toggle is off. Thanks.

[@EposVox]

This is a problem for the ATEM Mini, too - it outputs Full over USB, which while fine for OBS to handle, for video calling apps, Windows Camera app, etc. means it's super crunchy

[@robinmc123]

Just Wow! I don't think Atomos could of done a better job explaining that update! Just wow so helpful as usual you never disappoint.

[@Ramage7070]

Thanks, I updated the Atomos just now. I am still learning to use all the features but I really like how much easier the files are to use when I record externally from EOS R.

[@ClassicalTechnology]

I’ve been thinking of selling my atomos ninja inferno and getting the ninja V, mainly for the weight - and it seems to get better future proofing. Great video!

[@GlenReed]

Classical Technology I like the Ninja V but prefer the 7” screen and the 1500 nits of the Inferno.

[@ClassicalTechnology]

Glen Reed the 7 inch screen is nice, but it’s definitely super heavy with dual batteries too

[@lauro.dominici]

If you are interested I am selling it! lol

[@GlenReed]

Classical Technology very true although I do use mine plugged in a lot. Plus I mainly use it with my Panasonic S1 which is a beast anyways 😂 so what’s a couple more ounces.

[@GlenReed]

Lauro Dominici I bought mine with the accessories kit during Black Friday from Adoroma for $495. For that price I’ll deal with the lack of updates. Plus it unlocks the 4K 60p in 10bit 4.2.2. on my Panasonic S1.

[@AlexSwan]

Hey mate, sorry but I did not get what workflow you thought was the best here. Not to use the new legalise feature but instead just shoot with a LUT to preview what FULL will give you in Davinci? Cheers

[@PeterGregg]

Good info, thanks. For the LUTs, I overwrite them and call it a day lol. 👍

[@TrevorMcGrathPhotography]

I haven't a clue what you are talking about but the virus has infected my phone, my PC and TV. It's just total domination of every app, every TV programme and every radio station! My stress levels can be UNDONE by watching this instead. Thanks, Gerald

[@Rrroarr]

08:50 i think you can just overwrite them with new ones, instead of deleting them. Excellent channel, bravo!

[@AlexAbsolute]

did the update yesterday after getting an email from them, now it finally has the rule of thirds which was something i thought should be a basic requirement.

[@alexshdvideo]

Thank you for posting! I’ll upgrade this week. I shoot Log only and grade in FCPX so I’ll try the legalize version.. always grade by hand, but I’m a consistent shooter so I usually make 1 grade per project as a LUT and generally apply it to most of the project with little tweaking.. watching waveform, color balance and using a incident cine meter really dials in my footage. Though with waveform i rely on in Incident meter less and less.

[@elandrue]

Gracias Gerald! Finally a well deserved FW update for the Ninja. I felt like the had put it aside and not caring much. Stay safe.

[@CameronKidd]

Thanks for the video! I'm glad they added the 1.8x de-squeeze as a Vazen owner, it really held me back wanting to purchase the Ninja V when I'd rather invest in this over the Portkeys due to external recording options & not shooting on Z Cam.

[@adnan_velic]

The ninja v is probably the most useful thing I have ever bought and has saved my 8 hour video shoot 2 weeks ago. I shoot with my xt3 on the SD and on the atomos at the same time. My SD card on the Fuji gave me a read error at the end of the day but it’s all good I have everything on my atomos! This new update is very welcomed I’ve been having this clipping issue on the Fuji the blacks looked crushed on the monitor. Now on to the next thing atomos let’s enable being able to delete clips straight off the atomos that would be amazing !

[@virtuedigital-itconsulting2219]

Thanks so much! you have solved my video colours problem. Finally someone explained it to me.

[@ErikEngstrand]

Haha love the batman transition! Great work Gerald, I wish I could be as nerdy with all of this but it feels that some of it seeps into my skull everytime I watch your vids. Keep it up m8 🤘

[@MattQuattro]

Absolutely love this PSA, Gerald. I've suffered the same issues over the year but still love my Atomos Ninja V. While I'm excited for the Log fixes, I think those frame guides and false colour upgrades might actually be the most exciting upgrade for me!

[@lauro.dominici]

I cannot believe it is still not possible to flip the image horizontally (mirroring effect) for vlogging. I have been told by Atoms support they would have implemented it at the next firmware update, but never happened.

[@Jm3rv]

Because its not meant for vlogging

[@lauro.dominici]

Marvel J despite the fact this camera has been advised by almost every single KZbinr for vlogging (such as one of the last Gerald Undone monitor set up video on the small tripod) the thing that pissed me off is the fact when I purchased it at version 10.0 I was ready to return it but the technician support “don’t worry, it will be available at the very next firmware release” and now I am outside my return windows. Lucky me I just sold it yesterday!

[@Jm3rv]

Lauro Dominici glad to hear! Yeah honestly walking around vlogging with a big atomos screen wouldnt work for me!

[@lauro.dominici]

Marvel J lol, for me neither!! It was more a studio situation where I leave everything set up ready for next record! And I have to admit that the SmallHD 7 is working great now!

[@davelaird2477]

Wow. Super useful info! Not sure why I’m so surprised... but i guess I’m used to people not having the true in-depth knowledge of real world video that you actually do. Great job!

[@baja1980s]

To delete that I’ve read off of an átomos group on Facebook to delete You can review it with the „play“-button. When you are in playback-mode you can tip on the filename on the upper righthand side. There you find the list with all your recorded files. When you enter the „edit“-menu (blue mark on the lower lefthand side) and then tap the filename you can select a file and then mark it with thumb up or thumb down. The reject option is the delete option then after that there is a delete option because the file is rejected. Thanks!

[@lancehaoyuanli1094]

I really wish there is a input range setting comming instead of this kind of internal transform lut. So far my solution is to use LUT Calc and set the input and output ranges, so that I can combine a color space transform with a range transform into one LUT for monitoring. I also apply that exact same LUT before any other color grading so I don't need to manually set the ranges in Resolve.

[@TimothyGordon]

HOW IS IT EVEN POSSIBLE THAT SOMEONE DISLIKES THIS VIDEO!? Seriously, I don’t get it. Who hurt these people??

[@swcblad]

Timothy Gordon must be his ex girlfriends

[@YeudyPerez]

Seriously... I would like to know why? I think that person must have hate in their blood, And, I bet doesn't even know him personally. A technical video like this, how would you dislike it without an explanation...? Its just to tell you how messed up ppl are.

[@NowyKurs]

To much English.

[@WorldofThaiFood]

We have a couple of those too. Usually get a dislike within 30 secs of posting a new video. At least they have notifications enabled :D

[@TimothyGordon]

World of Thai Food that’s hilarious. I’m going to check out your channel right now.

[@cuatxe]

I needed to watch this video twice and also another one from Jem Schofield, where he explains the new features of AtomOS 10.3 for Ninja V, to understand everything. If you have an X-T3 or X-T4 I also recommend Jem Schofield video because it explains something specific to those cameras.

[@timbeaton5045]

Don't know if this is of any use... found it on the Production Hub website, and I quote.. "Using a compatible Atomos recorder such as the Ninja Inferno or Sumo19, you can record and burn in the HLG and REC.2020 colour gamut metadata directly into the video clip at the point of acquisition, from cameras such as the Panasonic GH5 and Sony FS5. This metadata is then automatically recognised by FCP X 10.4 when the clip is imported. HDR project settings can also be automatically generated when an Atomos HLG clip is dropped in. The metadata stays all the way through the pipeline right to export using Compressor, and on to video sharing platforms like KZbin and Vimeo. The whole process from capture to export and delivery can now be done simply in HLG."

[@michaelsungho]

Gotta love that Batman wipe! 😄 Hope you're staying safe/healthy dude.

[@geraldundone]

Thanks. You too!

[@KaiTiura]

As always, the level of depth of understanding you have and share is staggering! One multi-question re Atomos Ninja V... Have you found issues with their quality, customer service and where did you get a manual? I've heard they don't include one. I want to get one but hear a lot about horrible customer service for poorly built units and that there's no manual available! Thanks for your awesome videos!

[@robertfeliciano5723]

There's a manual online. My customer service was fine, I have 3 Ninja Vs. The first one had a common defect, they fixed it and I had it back within a week. You can double your warranty to 2 years by registering online. I've heard out of warranty customer service isn't great. Also, never trust the announcement date on features, the founder is too much of a salesman and exaggerates everything.

[@KaiTiura]

Robert Feliciano that's pretty standard for spokesman owners. Why three? For the price they should last a while, no? You use it that much that you wore it out?

[@robertfeliciano5723]

@@KaiTiura 3 camera shoots; wide, closeup, overhead.

[@The1realbro]

Thanks for this video! I'm new to your channel and about to get a Ninja V for the GH5. I edit in Resolve. If this was a class and the test is on Monday, I'll probably get a C grade but what I learned is way more valuable than the grade. By the way you are a excellent teacher.

[@avdpost]

Great to see they listened? Have you experienced this full range issue when recording on the shogun using SDI signals vs hdmi?

[@truonghoangnhan110]

You should do a video on the full & legal range and why it exists, I only knew about this when trying to export in resolve and got washed out exports, while when editing I'm seeing what presumably is full range, and what should I use to deliver? Full or legal?

[@neonblind]

Nhân Trương That‘s something bothering me for a long time. I‘d like that, too.

[@truonghoangnhan110]

@@neonblind Yeah, when working with premiere, it sorta "just works" the way you think it would, but with resolve, I find myself learning more and more about deeper technical things

[@TassosPhotographyStudio]

No, your problem is different. What you describe is gamma difference between 2.4 and 2.2

[@truonghoangnhan110]

@@TassosPhotographyStudio I don't really know about gamma, but the same thing applies in Gerald's video when he turns "data level" from auto to full. Upon export, when I turn "data level" from auto to full, the problem disappears. That's why I assume the problem is legal vs full range. Sometimes, auto works fine, but sometimes, it makes the image slightly washed out.

[@TassosPhotographyStudio]

@@truonghoangnhan110 Yes data levels is one thing. But upon export your video will still look slightly washed out. Because DR timeline is gamma 2.4 and web browers (youtube) are gamma 2.2. even in VLC will you notice that (RGB is gamma 2.2 - Rec709 is gamma 2.4)

[@1Life2Lift]

Hey Gerald (or anyone reading this), let me see if I got my workflow right, shooting in-camera Canon C Log w/ the Ninja V recording externally: 1.) Set Ninja V to record with Legalize OFF (unless I'm live streaming, etc) to leave the C Log full range (Premiere Pro attempts to scale this, but I'll fix this later during export with that special conversation LUT you mentioned) 2.) Apply the LUT for converting C Log to Rec 709 obtained from Canon's website for C Log 3.) Color correct using my X-Rite Passport reference card, then tweak for creative looks etc 4.) Export my video using that special conversion LUT you can find online which brings my colors back into the Legal/Limited range so when I go to upload my video to KZbin it won't scale it funny and have the "extra contrasty" look Sound about right? Because they didn't go the metadata route we still have to use that special conversion LUT at the end to fix Premiere Pro's incorrect scaling, yes?

[@manovt1n]

I don’t know if anyone has responded to the comment about deleting luts but if you select the kit you want to delete and then tap the file as if you were uploading a new lut, it will then ask you if you want to delete.

[@JonPais]

Thanks for the LUT!

[@hristospiridonov444]

For me when shooting V-log with my Lumix S1 + Ninja V there is no issue with levels both files look the same, but when I shoot Cine-D or other profiles like Standard, Natural it is more contrasty and saturated in Ninja than in camera.This is because the Atomos treats the full levels as video levels. You said not to use the new option for this files, so what to do?Put a custom LUT to see it properly in the Atomos and then convert in Davince as full levels? It love the rule of thirds grid but for most of people that use 2.35 crop it is unusable. It wold be nice if they can make 2,35 crop + rule of thirds grid.

[@hristospiridonov444]

I just updated the Ninja V and there is no option to use "legalize" in V-log mode. It only appears in normal modes rec 709. I also saw that false colors does not work properly. It shows red - overexposed for details that are not near 70 IRE

[@Filmmaker809]

And now the 10.3 update, you can also unlock the Prores RAW for the Nikon Z6 & Z7, and soon for the Panasonic S1H. I wonder when the GH6 will come out and support Prores RAW.

[@MVRhodes]

Thanks for the breakdown! I'll finally use false color now that the IRE values are included :)

[@philipbloom]

Gerald, f you were truly “crazy” I don’t think you would care about legalising your video levels! 🤣

[@hbl_channel]

Thanks for sharing this review Gerald! Awesome and informative as always.

[@MarcusHutsell]

So, I had a question Gerald, as I have come across a similar issue with Decimator MD-HX model SDI/HDMI converters. By default on the Decimator MD-HX, if you use the SDI-to-HDMI conversion, it actually converts from whatever is sent down the SDI line (which should be in the YCbCr “legal” video range as spec’d by SDI standards,) into RGB444 on the Decimator for the HDMI output. I’m assuming Decimator decided to make that RGB444 the default because many people may be using the MD-HX for plugging in a computer monitor to the HDMI output, thereby *usually needing/wanting it in an RGB color space. And, from what I understand…the RGB color space is based on FULL legal levels. Therefore, using the default setting on a Decimator MD-HX, the Sdi>HDMI conversion goes from legal to full….and of course we see an immediate crushing of blacks and potential clipping it whites. However, you can tell the Decimator’s HDMI output to switch to outputting either YCbCr444 or YCbCr422…keeping the SDI signal in the YCbCr/legal range, and then the signal looks the same on the screen and in the waveforms as it does upstream when viewing the SDI signal only. So….that’s a lot of backstory for my REAL question, because I wanted to explain/confirm that RGB is running on “full” levels, not “legal” levels. And, if RGB is “full,” then…..(the real question): When using an Atomos Ninja/Shogun…and outputting from a laptop (say an Apple MacBook Pro) and an hdmi cable over to a ninja/Shogun…. #1, ARE most computer screens and video outputs on laptops/computers running in RGB “Full” levels? And #2, if so, if we use a Ninja to record the video output from our computers shouldn’t we ALSO use the Legalize function? The reason I ask is because I often use my Ninja as a secondary video output when editing/color correcting my videos and for reference when watching other videos (like yours), and the contrast is WAY more on the ninja than on any computer screen, even when mirrored. So I often try to find a happy medium between computer screen/ninja. But, wouldn’t “legalizing” the computers output be proper if it’s in RGB??

[@keyvanthomsenbamdej9524]

Man, great content, but as newbie, I have really hard time to follow you. It's more a statement of my own lack of knowledge, perhaps, but still, thanks for the update and for the time you spend teaching the rest of us on KZbin. Cheers from Copenhagen, Denmark.

[@BespokeFotografie]

Great video as always 👊🏻😎

[@PhillipRPeck]

Finally a 3rd's grid on Atomos! And all that other shit that I had no idea about. This is super informative

[@IIG3]

Great video, thank you! Just bought a ninja v - is this still an issue? Do I still need to turn on the legalize function in order to more accurately monitor my S-Log footage?

[@sifatrabby1962]

Hi I am Gerald Undone and I sent all the Fuji Assassins to hunt Camera Conspiracies.

[@miguelmercedez7771]

when I try to record my computer screen my atomos ninja v top / start to record or stop completly?

[@laurencechase5439]

This sounds great. You mentioned don't ever use this on a normal profile, only use on the log profiles. I agree definitely - however on the xt3, I believe the same value remapping happens on a normal profile like eterna. The image is very contrasted on the ninja compared to internal - the same way you fixed the log footage in davinci but setting the range to full was how I got round this. I haven't had a chance to test this yet but I reckon this legalise option will help with normal recording profiles on the xt3 too. Cheers for this video.

[@geraldundone]

I tested this and I agree that it seems that all the profiles on the Fuji come out as full range. So yes, you can use legalize.

[@laurencechase5439]

@@geraldundone Awesome, thanks!

[@tomastuoma]

Is the ninja different from the Shogun 7 when it comes to this? The Shogun displays the full waveform when using a Fuji x-t4, and doesn't "hide" anything over/under the video levels.

[@Carl-Camera]

Just to reiterate another comment on here (and also verified by Gerald) because it was driving me crazy: The Fuji Cameras seem unique in that they output "full range" even on SDR ie 0-255 - I can confirm this for the X-T20 and X100F, and the other commenter (@ Laurence Chase) confirmed the X-T3. So for FUJI, toggling "legalize" to ON, even on SDR/Rec.709 standard HDMI signal: this corrects the Fuji HDMI output to give less contrast and less crushed shadows and highlights during monitoring. I am uncertain if leaving legalize "off" and keeping it non-legal allows better colour grading and application of LUTs in post, it probably would.

[@vladydc]

sei riuscito a trovare una soluzione? ANCHE IO HO LO STESSO DUBBIO🥲

[@jeffbrass2351]

great vid thanks!. AFAIK you can't delete LUTS form the NINJA - you can replace then but nor delete.

[@deanpettitt121]

I can't afford a Ninja but still enjoyed the video. One feature of cameras or my cheapie Swift monitor I've never used is false colour, I have absolutely no idea how it works or why it's more useful than zebras for instance. This video weirdly made me want to look into that further

[@JohnJordache]

I’m a bit confused - my bad : Would I need to use “Legalize “ option if I’m shooting on a Fuji in H. 265 ( HEVC - LPCM ) with the H.265 HQ ( 10 Bit 4:2:2 ) enabled on the Atomos as well ? 🤔 Using both Resolve & Final Cut Pro for editing. Thanks Gerald.

[@Guillaume_Bzn]

2024 does it still the case ? thanks for all the videos 🇫🇷

[@jeeptds]

great staff. look forward to seeing this channel gets more recognition, in subs, like it supposes to!

[@zedamex]

I read that they don’t want you doing any deleting of things on the ninja. Forgot where tho...

[@eszesfilms1651]

I just want update for shinobi with fixed luts. Because it has issue with gamma. All black crushy. Looks like wrong gamma space. I contacted with them, they told me soon will fix it. But they dont know when.... :/

[@javierensenat7392]

Quick question, should I use a full to legal lut to monitor exposure for log files ? Or can I use a regular clog 3 conversion lut to rec 709? I’m very confused I use only daVinci resolve and my main goal with this monitor is to nail exposure and see a good representation of what my video will look like while recording

[@christopherginnstudios]

I'm curious as well. I'm running clog 3 cinema gamut in the camera and also want to nail exposure and have a great recording in the Ninja V. Have you happened to figure this out yet? I've been searching as well with no answer so I wish I had one for you!

[@javierensenat7392]

@@christopherginnstudios what I’ve learned is you cannot use cinema gamut when recording to the ninja V or ninja v plus because of a color cast the videos in camera do not match I called Atomos and was told it’s a known issue

[@javierensenat7392]

@@christopherginnstudios if you uses daVinci resolve don’t use legalize and just tell the file to use full not auto when you import media, if you use anything else use legalize is what I’m told is best

[@javierensenat7392]

I’m upset I can’t record cinema gamut to the ninja but I’ve been getting good results using BT2020 and the files match in camera to my Atomos

[@samgerers]

Is there an update for the Shinobi?

[@Ultrarmx]

What’s the best settings if using it as a capture game card? Love your videos

[@MrWarwickJones]

I wish Atomos would include an option to simply toggle on and off this legal conversion in the monitoring tab, so that a Resolve user can correctly monitor log footage *with a conversion LUT applied* while still recording in full range. This seems an obvious solution to this whole mess.

[@joenicklo]

Gerald, I use the ninja v to monitor when using the BMPCC4k and 6k...what I see on the ninja is vastly different than what I see on the BMPCC. How can I get the ninja more in line with the camera’s display?

[@aploex]

super handy thanks for going over this! Do you by chance write a loose script that you follow for each video you do? Curious about your workflow!

[@DIGGINGRICHMOND]

You have to over write one of the current lut icon for deletion

[@michaelsungho]

10:00 - Wait a minute...did you sync audio to the lag recording of your eagle eye shot on the monitor?!? 😮

[@geraldundone]

😜👍

[@florianbarras]

@@geraldundone nice touch there indeed.

[@JamesStevensonPhoto]

Excellent stuff Gerald, downloading right away now along with your LUT. I've been editing video from the recorder from F-LOG without converting to full range on my clips in resolve and indeed wondering why I'm seeing clipping where I was sure none existed so this is great! Quick question: Should I favour using your LOG>LEGAL Lut over say the Fuji X-T3 Flog > Rec 709, (or FLOG > Eterna) profiles which I use in resolve as a basis for grading and have currently installed on the monitor? If you can advise, I'd be very grateful!

[@redbeardproductions-kevind9806]

I delete luts by opening the drive on the computer... you can replace one by selecting one of the 8 options, and hit the folder icon.

[@danne322]

Hello Gerald! Thanks for the excellent video! I'm color correcting in resolve (creating a lut) and then I apply it to the footage in premiere pro. Should I use the legalize option?

[@jamonlewis6466]

Did they fix the HDMI output? Mine hasn't given me a reliable signal since I've had it. Going in 4k from Panasonic GH5s & will take a reliable output in any resolution.

[@HotRodHippie]

I wonder if us Ninja Inferno users will get any of these new features. Not expecting it but it would be nice. I just want a 7" screen, not a 5". 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@JE2PO]

Hi Gerald, out of the Leeming Lut and Buttery LUT which do you think looks better with the BMPCC 6K

[@RockyColaFizz]

Holy ACES Batman!

[@MrCodyschatz15]

Hello great video! I am just getting into the Atomos Ninja V world lol. I have a Nikon D780 with 10 bit HDMI output and edit with Premiere Pro. So to clarify to am I suppose to shoot legal and turn that option on? Just trying to get the most out of the Ninja V for clarity and easier for post editing. Thanks if you can help.

[@Mike-hj7gg]

so if you dont have an SSD you cant udpate is that correct?

[@nevinjt]

SO GOOD! THANKSSS GERALLDDD

[@dubsteppa420]

Awesome video as always, but just one thing I'm not understanding - Would the LUTS provided by the camera manufacturer take this into account? if I use a log to rec 709 lut from sony for example for monitoring, will I even have to worry about this?

[@HazeAnatomy]

Great Rundown. I Recently purchased a Panasonic S1, not knowing that the Camera doesn't support Trigger or Timecode out Via HDMI. Therefore I cant trigger recording on my Ninja V without physically touching the Unit itself. I was thinking I could Possibly use a LanC connection, but Atomos only supports Sony/Canon LanC out.( Per specifications) do you know of a product I could Mount to my rig and Trigger NinjaV recording via external Remote. Thanks!

[@marcosuozzi]

Hm, so when I color grade LOG by my self, then I put the legalize on.... when I use a Lut then I let it off.. I use Final Cut. Thank you so much.

[@vyoufinder]

So "legalize" (thought it was a weed thang baybay) means full range basically, right? Use it for shooting log, but when not I'll get better results without it on? Or are you saying you get better results than camera internally when legalize is on, even when not shooting log? (even though it will alter how color correcting affects it). It's not clear to me as a person who ordered one and wants to learn it while waiting for it to arrive.

[@timbeaton5045]

Have had the bell ticked for ages!

[@nomad0714]

Hi Gerald, Well done explaining the N5 update with legal and other new functions. Was wondering why the internal and external recordings had slight differences. Thanks for the concise but to the point explanation and examples showing the differences. Appreciate the zooming in and out as most post don’t do it and you can’t see what’s being done. Can’t wait to get the RAW update for the Pana S1H. Does the Shinobi 7” have this updated feature or only for the N5 at this point?

[@geraldundone]

Thanks so much! Only the Ninja V so far.

[@albertkoschaba8529]

Hi, Thanks for all your video did presented. just a question please my ninja v on display showing sgin named Skippy kangaroo sign is the any solution to fix this issues? I tried many HDMI and ssd 1tb hdd drive 500. different settings and options. and the sign still there !! Thanks

[@NowyKurs]

Could you make a video on how to read and use false colours and vectroscope? Much appreciated.

[@123t65ggg]

is it normal the internal recorded video color space shows 'slog3' , but the ninja recorded shows Rec 709 ?

[@LaRobertos]

Your my hero Gerald

[@gcprost]

I'm glad that you did this. I had upgraded my firmware but I wasn't sure how to access the new features. I'm still a bit confused about the option to legalize the footage. What was it doing before? I had no problems before (that I'm aware of). I also have a Ninja Blade and a Samurai Blade. What are they doing? I do multi camera shoots almost all the time.

[@TylerHansenVideo]

Correct me if I’m wrong, but does this mean it’s STILL not possible to properly monitor LOG with a LOG based LUT?

[@geraldundone]

It won't be 100% accurate since the LUT will likely be based on full range, but it will be a lot better than before and will be mostly fine. It should be as similar as my sky comparisons where the shift is very minor.

[@barrymurphy5548]

@@geraldundone Would a work around be to combine your lut with a LOG based look LUT ( using your lut after the look lut node ), or is that gonna cause more problems ?

[@Farisdaniiel]

Hey, what should I do if I were to do roundtrip premiere to resolve via XML, grade everything in resolve and send it back to premiere > Export final video in premiere. Do I legal it or no?