Updating the BIOS bricked this PC... You'll never guess what the issue was...

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[@benny504k7]

Jay, I hope you end up reading this comment, I truly thank you from the cold black abyss of my heart. I received problems after updating my BIOS about 2 months ago. Testing lead me to believe my Zotac 3080ti was the culprit, which I RMA'd. When i received news back from zotac that the card tested fine and that they were sending it back as nothing was wrong. I received it today 4/23 and it would do the same hang on BIOS black screen problem that i encountered a month ago. My friend Jeff sent me this video, and after watching it, did as you suggested and updated the DisplayID via the Nvidia tool. It posted immediately after and has been working flawlessly since... Confirmed at least one person has been saved by this video! I appreciate you buddy

[@wallywest2360]

What's really annoying about that is even if everything tested ok on their end, Zotac should have looked at any available updates for the card and performed them anyway. I would bet this is sitting somewhere in their tech support resource library of known issues.

[@alexatkin]

@@wallywest2360 Especially as updating a VBIOS is something relatively new. Its not something we've ever really had to do before outside of removing power limits for overclocking and in fact did not used to be recommended.

[@Rich-qs6kn]

@@alexatkin I always assumed vbios updated along with the driver :/

[@Contopaxi]

Dumb question but if I can’t get my pc to boot when using my Gpu because of this issue. Would I plug it into the onboard and then do the same steps with the nvidia tool? Thank you

[@legacygame3]

Im surprised the company did not know how to help you.

[@BobBobson]

"I spent 2 1/2 hours on a 25 second fix" sounds exactly like every computer repair I've ever done.

[@marcogenovesi8570]

heh, the hard part is figuring out what is actually wrong

[@ericfirkey9860]

I can relate

[@skodass1]

One of the reasons i never got into actual PC repair... i just dont have the patience

[@BrianV]

This applies just as much to computer programming as well. Can't count the number of times this kind of fix has happened to me.

[@adamlewis2661]

same as working on my car spend 3 days on a “2 hour job”

[@brian_serafin]

Many of us would've spent hours reposting on Reddit, forums, and other places waiting for an answer or solution. You should share this in the NVIDIA subreddit if the mods don't act like dictators and remove it. Many people are upgrading their systems from 5 and 6 years ago and may run into this issue especially with some Z690 boards needing a BIOS update to detect the 13th gen chips. Great work J

[@chrisguli2865]

My last takeaway from this is also - when updating the BIOS - don't power down or reset anything even if the system seems hung...let it finish doing its thing even if it takes a half hour. Better safe than bricking the PC.

[@araulen4820]

I was building my PC and when I went to bios flashback, the indicator was flashing for over an hour. I was a bit worried, but it stopped flashing shortly after. Throughout the build process i was worried if the bios updated correctly, and when I booted up the PC I found that it did! I'm glad I didn't stop the process after like 15 mins!

[@ColinWatters]

I've left one overnight before. It shouldn't take that long but also gives me a mental reset!

[@balwek2]

I updated my bios for get ready for win11. It rebooted so many times, I was worried. I walked away from it. Finally it come back normal. I was happy I did not interapted the process.

[@romainweisbecker7660]

Or just have a soldering station and a chip programmer at hand ;)

[@noellambitchannel]

Fuck I thought that my comp after 100% update is black out after 5 mins I power off then always black out fuckck..a.f..s.f.d

[@RichWhiteUM]

In essence, Phil was right when he asked, "Maybe, it just doesn't like 3080 Tis?" 🤣

[@lachietg]

3090 ties

[@mAdDox1904]

@@lachietg No, 3090ti's are working so it only doesn't like 3080ti's.

[@lachietg]

@@mAdDox1904 I'm making a reference to when they pronounced it wrong (tie instead of ti)

[@cruelcrow7367]

@@lachietg to?

[@neoaliens8635]

@@cruelcrow7367 He means 'TI'. There's a typo that happens a lot because on keyboard 'i' and 'o' are close to each other

[@icetea8946]

Choosing pc parts and building it is the fun part. Updating the bios is the scary part.

[@Dr_Angry]

Agreed lol

[@SirGingerOfKnight]

I send messages to my techier group-chats asking for people to clench on my behalf when I run bios updates

[@Nicc93]

Yes or installing drivers on a board with no wifi or lan drivers. My first build I had to do this and was worried. She's a beast now :) soon to upgrade to 5950x

[@yugensei]

I literally was just talking with one of my friends about this shit last night. Long story short, I completely lucked out on my first PC build that the motherboard I picked had Dual BIOS when I ended up completely frying the main one. I guess lesson learned though lmao xD

[@Slaterking2010]

It is only scary if you don't leave it alone. As long as you don't have a power cut and you let you motherboard do it's thing it will work. This is a very rare situation what you saw on this video.

[@slyace1301]

Updating bios was the most stressful thing I've did ever since building my pc. I didn't sweat that much even when I changed the paste on my cpu.

[@Jenna_Talia]

Yeah I'm about to do it so I can upgrade my cpu and finding out it could fucking brick my PC is terrifying. Not at all likely to happen of course, but still terrifying.

[@casem8723]

@@Jenna_Talia same here. currently upgrading from a ryzen 5 1600 to a ryzen 5 5600x and it requires me to do like 3-4 bios updates on my asus x470 motherboard, and i've never done a bios update before and all the factors that could lead to just one bios update going wrong absolutely terrifies me. And apparently I have to do it 3-4 times lol

[@yasinkolgu]

@@casem8723 Hi! Why is it that you need that much update? I have 1500x, to use 5600 Can't I just update to the latest bios and be done?

[@123evilwolf]

@@yasinkolgu it works when u just jump to the latest one, i guess it depends on the manufacturer of the board

[@yasinkolgu]

@@123evilwolf Thank you! Some updates need ones before them sometimes.

[@Man_0f_Culture]

Jay steadily taking on the BS we run across with our PC's and fixing it after hours of trial and error in just a few seconds is a true gift especially since he tells you how he fixed it in the end. Dude just did everyone a solid.

[@SaraMorgan-ym6ue]

yeah he cuts all the time out and gets to the point in a few minutes he is a hero

[@vinicius_nunes]

Amazing video! This is basically an impossible task for a standard user to actually figure out. Aside from the knowledge and 'know-how' to even know where to start with, just to have all the extra equipment to check the hardware to see what's working is already the worse problem. We appreciate your work on these obscure issues. Thank you!

[@eldraque4556]

most shops wouldn't have figured it out

[@curvingfyre6810]

standard user is a reach. Most standard users can't identify a bad cap or bent pin, let alone BIOS issues. Even an enthusiast isn't likely to have a WAREHOUSE full of spare parts to swap out and test with, or a mountain of firmware knowledge and resources. I've had similarly unidentifiable issues before, and its only because my board is a high end desktop server board and not a consumer board that I was able to deal with it at all. Those LED codes saved my ass, and I'm *still* working through minor errors. I'm lucky enough that I have a spare board to work with for PSU and GPU validation, and a mess of ddr4 sticks to swap between, just cause of how I built my systems. if it had turned out different, I'd be up shit creek.

[@LordSeth-hf8ew]

at least a 3-4 day job for someone trying to find a solution

[@ncproductions24]

Agreed, I've been in IT for 15 years and have built multiple systems. This would've taken me quite a while to figure out. This just firms up that Jay is on a whole nother lvl.... lol

[@Lectwar6]

@@curvingfyre6810 I have built dozens of gaming PC's for myself and friends, and have worked in IT for 10 years. I've swapped mobos and displays between laptops, ive replaced sockets on motherboards. I don't think i would have figured this out. Having access to the hardware he has made all the difference and led him to the vbios being the issue. Without that I would have been dead in the water like any other user.

[@ripleyhrgiger4669]

I've been building my own custom PC's for 25 years and have been in the IT field as a technician, analyst, and system admin for 23 years and never have I EVER seen something like this happen! This is a rare gremlin to discover and no doubt has helped to educate all of us of this potentiality of occurring during system building/updating. Phil, your problem became a boon for so many of us because we learned a lot from it. I'm very glad you didn't have to replace your video card! Good work Jay!!!

[@Christopher_S]

I was thinking the same thing too. I do not have as many years as you (only 12), but I've never encountered anything like this before. I'm happy that it's been found though, as going forward, this info could prove a valuable time (and sanity) saver.

[@sMASHsound]

Never seen it, but in the back of ur mind, it IS possible.

[@slactweak]

Same here. That was a seriously weird problem that would have had me pulling my hair out. I'm stubborn enough to have eventually solved the problem but it would have taken me a LOT longer than it took him.

[@Solarnova]

Same here, since the mid 90's myself. An issue like this would literally drive me up the wall crazy, and it seems like with all these systems built upon systems built upon systems that we have today, the craziest and most ridiculous computer issues I've ever seen, have been within the last 5 years, absolutely. Like Jay said regarding the Asus BIOS updates, the computer rebooting 3 times and then acting in between ME & Aura updates, as if it is bricked, and then finally it posts, can you imagine how many warranty claims Asus has had to deal with because people interrupted the BIOS update after their computer restarted because it acted as if it wasn't doing anything? Why can't there literally be a message on the screen saying "Updating ME do not restart" or "Updating Aura do not restart" immediately upon Asus BIOS update restart?... sheesh.

[@skyknight0408]

That's working in IT for you. I've been building my own PCs as well as helping with friends and family's machines since the 90's. Also had internships at several PC building shops and one of my bosses told me, no matter how long you've been working with computers, you'll still discover weird errors you've never encountered before. He was absolutely right! It can happen on any day, so be prepared for it.

[@martinkatz7639]

THANKS, as a repair tech. little bits of information like this are invaluable. Also thanks for your channel . No one can know everything but having learning opportunities like these makes life easier.

[@Can8ian.]

I was a computer technician in a computer store going back to the win95/98 days. I saw lots of similar looking problems back then but back then it usually added up IRQ conflicts and more than one device using the same IRQ. I wouldn't have known how to fix this issue though and would likely have assumed a motherboard fault after testing the GFX card in another system and it working fine. Good job Jay!

[@northwestaudio]

This is brilliant, I wouldn't have ever imagined that a unique id would change in a piece of hardware, or that it would be removed from a module to continue operating.

[@marcogenovesi8570]

both the board and the card have a firmware that needs to talk to each other. Bugs in either side will cause issues. It's not just hardware. If it was just hardware you would not be able to fix bugs so easily but you would have to hardware mod and rewire stuff.

[@FiveN9ne]

@@marcogenovesi8570 I once bought a mobo and ram that supposedly worked with each other (rarely would they not), both manufacturers (MSI for mobo, Corsair for ram) claimed they worked together after contacting their support. Tested separately, both the mobo worked with different ram sticks and the ram worked on different mobo's. The result was, they basically told me "tough shit". I had to sell the ram and take the loss buying new one...

[@dbunik44]

@@marcogenovesi8570 look at AMD users who had to wait until two patches for their hardware to work with Windows 11

[@lvkillawolfvl1921]

@@dbunik44 I got windows 11 almost the day it came out, I had zero issues with my ryzen 7 5700g lmao and that also had just came out like 2 months before windows 11 released

[@dbunik44]

@@lvkillawolfvl1921 your story is merely anecdotal, it was so bad that it took two patches to fix, your singular experience is not indicative of the whole

[@Sunnfjordingen]

As a car mechanic, I cant even imagine how many times that problem happens to me. Car makes noises or has a fault for months. When they're at the dealer for troubleshooting, it's all fine. It's happened so many times I've started to think the cars becomes self aware and is just messing with us...

[@DP-ot6zf]

Nvidia's video cards always cause problems with cars. Worse, Nvidia refuses to fix this problem!

[@nobody7817]

In the 90's I had a friend with a 78' Grenada. He asked me to look at it several times. NOTHING wrong. He even loaned it to me to drive for 3 months, NOTHING wrong. So... I asked him to sell it to me. He did not want to. I finally talked him into taking a fair price for it, even though he tried to sell it to me for less. I wanted to be fair with him. I backed out of his driveway and poof, it died. ok... I drove a block later, it died. I couldn't keep that thing running. (California Variable Venturii -- NEVER heard of them before since I was fairly new to Ca at the time... I was used to REAL carbs... not that smog control dollar trap.) (It's illegal to put a real carb on in their place, too... go figure.)

[@mal2ksc]

Put a dashcam with microphone in the car, and it'll never misbehave again!

[@NorseGraphic]

Wait until they become self-driving....

[@nobody7817]

@@NorseGraphic Scarier yet, they become self-repairing...

[@BigHappysPlace]

Great video and I am glad this is starting to be talked about. I have started telling people, just because it's new, doesn't mean it works. This is especially true when it comes to computer hardware. Parts can sit on shelves for months, some times years before ever being used or sold.

[@THEGODDAMNDINOSAUR]

I really enjoy these general troubleshooting videos, I know the pain of trying to fix something that in the moment is cause for so much frustration and then finding the solution.

[@uss_liberty_incident]

Thank you so much for this kind of content. You never know when someone else will encounter the same issues.

[@YippingFox]

It's a shame that neither the title or the desrciption mentions the problem, so people are not likely to find/watch this video.

[@chappy3669]

@@YippingFox Ikr...

[@ricksanchez9798]

I'm having this same issue right now, unfortunately my system is even older than this one and not an nvidia card.....

[@NightcoreClips_]

Unfortunately this does not even help in my case, since my device doesn’t even post, I’m pretty sure it’s corrupted video chip or something, but whatever it is, I’m just gonna stick with a new mobo.

[@illusive5811]

Nice username my man

[@ScaerieTale]

"I'm jus- *stares*" lmao my eternal struggle with weird computer problems right there. It always makes me smile when an expert like Jay gets this weird crap too (like that time the screen went magenta)

[@CxDOGxLEM]

Lmao same

[@SomeAngryGuy1997]

My screen sometimes pisses itself.

[@Peaceful_Gojira]

We've ALL been there. Had my PSU crap out on me (an EVGA with 1 lifetime warranty guaranteed to last at LEAST 10 years....this is year 3 at the time). I was troubleshooting EVERY component, and thinking I'd solved it each time after general gaming and usage...but then it'd hard crash again. And then, my buddy brought his PSU over and it posted and everything...so then I got the PSU to be RMAed....and voila! Back to life again! I was flabbergasted xD it was so unwarranted.

[@thislooksfun1]

Which video was the magenta screen?

[@SomeAngryGuy1997]

@@Peaceful_Gojira Eh, it happens. Even the best quality stuff can break prematurely sometimes.

[@buckgraham9195]

I love this style video! it reminds me of all my funky build roadblocks that I learn the most from! please do more of these!

[@RegularRetro]

Really enjoy this type of content! Very informative for people who enjoy troubleshooting and also helpful to those affected by the issue. I’m sure we’ve all had that moment where the 3rd page of a 5 year old Yahoo answers thread held the solution to our extremely specific problem so I’m sure this video will be helpful for many years to those people.

[@alexapuerta]

For sure. Been down that forum road many times. I don't have the specific problem in the vid but I enjoy Jay's troubleshooting. I learn more about PCs in general and can apply his troubleshooting logic to other situations.

[@tibielias]

You know videos like these would be more informatve if we knew what hardware is being worked on. Other than the information that it's an Asus motherboard with an intel 11900K and its a friends computer, we know nothing else about this computer.

[@elnkr2603]

If the title explained the problem, then yeah, it'd help

[@Wayofthelao]

These….these are the best types of videos

[@Toby_the_Glen]

Yeah, where a PC video isn't obsessed with gaming?

[@Wayofthelao]

@@Toby_the_Glen yes !!! Look I’m not trying to troll anyone about anything. I just try to put out good vibes. Life is hard enough without arguing with others

[@brianlindsey8822]

Love these videos. They teach people everything in the world about computers and how to fix and diagnose problems. I have been watching these videos for years and learned a lot. People in my city now call me grampa gamer. 70 yrs old, but my mind is still 25 yrs, and i custom build gaming desktops and fix computers all over the city. Thanks jayz for teaching me how to be a pro.

[@kraftsandkats2194]

New to PC building, will mainly use for Digital Artistry. Will eventually build me one in the near future once the price for cards have gone down some. I am DEFINTLY keeping this video saved just in case. Been watching Jayz and others on how to build and what to do after the build installs, drivers etc. Keep these kinds of videos coming will absolutely help those that know very little to nothing about building PC's

[@vanveenmatt]

I've been on the fence about whether or not I should upgrade the BIOS in my computer. I think I'm just going to leave it as it is. It's working just fine. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

[@r3conwoo]

very wise

[@christopherkidwell9817]

@ANGRYWOLVES The problem is that there is usually a purpose to updating BIOS: To fix random crashing issues on a system is the usual reason and to fix security bugs as well.

[@arisalvarado979]

U can always update just do it by q flash its best way

[@PileOfEmptyTapes]

If you do upgrade, have fun re-entering all the settings you've changed including fan curves. If your BIOS has an option to export settings to a USB flash drive, you can try that beforehand, obviously, but I wouldn't bet my life on it.

[@SuperSilvi1990]

You can read what the bios updates are for and if you don't have that issue don't bother. But there are times where they fix important things like memory issues, security updates, new features added etc etc.

[@moonlacer]

Never experienced anything like this on any of my systems after a BIOS update, that is a really unique issue

[@theholt2ic219]

Yeah updating bios isn’t scary and I update bios regularly on my pc and on multiple other systems on many occasions. I personally have found that a bios update fixes most blue screens people get. I would recommend updating bios at least once a year but this is the first time I’ve seen this type of issue. The vbios was out of date.

[@Dream0Asylum]

@@theholt2ic219 There was a time, not that long ago, when things like a back-up bios chip on the mobo - or easy to use, never fail bios flashes weren't all that common. In fact, just 10 years ago ASROCK's bios flashes were so spotty and famous for failure that they recommended not flashing unless you had a specific issue listed as fixed in the new bios' white sheet - because otherwise it just wasn't worth the risk. Today, it's not so bad, and almost nobody's going to have an issue ... except maybe Jay, who always seems to find these unicorn scenarios.

[@treborrrrr]

@@Dream0Asylum I'm for sure of the old school type here. I never touch BIOS updates except for during the initial build of the system. Once things are up and running and I don't have any issues, I don't touch the BIOS.

[@mfThump]

@@theholt2ic219 windows held itself hostage because I updated my bios. took a lot of bluescreens, usb booting, and running the same few commands over and over for it to work itself out. ("header checksum doesn't match the computed checksum" File: \Windows\system32\winload. efi . error code: 0xc0000221)

[@g-wolf9445]

This is an excellent troubleshooting video. A lot of people don’t understand the tiers of troubleshooting for modern day computers. Luckily, this ended up being a quick fix where you didn’t have to walk away, have a beer and have an aha moment write when you’re about to fall asleep.

[@jrfreeagent3179]

I have been watching this man's videos for a while but never subscribed until I watched this one. For no particular reason did I not subscribe. But as a technician and a PC builder I appreciate seeing someone else put in the time and effort to problem solve. Yep, 2 hours, 2 days, 2 weeks that you spend on solving the issue leads to 2 minutes to fix it in the future. Been there, done that. I also follow the 'golden rule' for techs, 'if it ain't broke, don't fix it'. Great Video. I too have suffered from BIOS update failure.

[@artthebrawler1390]

Thank you for making this video, I had literally no idea that BIOS updates could bork GPU's like that! Updated my 3060's displayID firmware in preparation of the AMD fTPM bios update in may thanks to this!

[@Dennzer1]

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[@magnanimus9692]

🫁

[@j.m.8895]

16:30 Even though I haven't encountered this type of problem, it's really nice to know that there are some complicated pc problems which I now know how to troubleshoot.

[@SlyStarling]

@vliduu zeeb Why would you reply to someone who A isn't jay and B isn't in the main comment section?

[@stevel_sw]

This video really helped me out and understand more about PCs, as I've recently done some upgrading, I encountered a similar issue with my Display. Been watching your content for a good while now and never fails to inform, give great advice and add a nice amount of humour as well. Really appreciate all your work :))

[@gozirraizroose]

Thanks Jay & gang, you've saved someone from a lot of grief, on more than one occasion. Keep doing what you're doing.

[@happy8318]

Thank you JayzTwoCents for posting videos like this!! I think this is literally going to solve my problem... I have a 3080TI that wouldn't work on one computer but it works just fine in my other pc!

[@sagetx]

He's the One.

[@CrackaSlapYa]

WELL??

[@rcrotorfreak]

Not always going to be the same problem. Tell us if you fixed it and what methood.

[@bshonka1]

Jay's impression of a mouse.... Spot on 😂

[@deminybs]

4:03

[@bshonka1]

@@deminybs the real hero ⬆️

[@WexfordOnYoutube]

I have this same issue with my razer deathadder V2. Except it completely stops Windows booting. I don't believe there is a fix.

[@deminybs]

@@WexfordOnKZbin you try kicking it yet? or shouting obscenities ?? that usually works

[@NikonJax]

Watched this again and am still amazed that you put out such a comprehensive video. I'm a tech and learned a lot from this and other videos from you. Thanks Jayz!

[@JamesBrown-js3lm]

That’s why it’s good to update periodically to latest drivers and firmware if applicable on any peripheral before flashing the bios. I have been in the same position with a few situations just like that. Very frustrating indeed.

[@BillLambert]

I didn't even know DisplayID was a thing - my stuff is all HDMI 2.0/2.1 at the moment. Y'know, I usually watch Jay for the entertainment value, but I actually learned something this time. Kudos!

[@jayc5942]

I love seeing these types of troubleshooting vids where even Jay learns something.

[@magnanimus9692]

Phil: "I didn't learn shit! I was right all along!"

[@Bazwalt]

When Jay learns something, we all learn something.

[@SHOCKWAVE_STUDIOS]

Your videos are always so helpful I can't say thank you enough for all that you and your team do

[@syviperz9385]

You are life saver J. I updated my Z390e gaming bios to 2004 and I was getting the errors. I updated the gpu drivers and installed NVIDIA display updater and it worked like a charm.

[@CNC295]

You should do a video on how to update the Firmware for video cards.

[@dylanherron3963]

Also pretty good idea.

[@briandiaz1363]

He already did one a couple of months back, trying to bring some old cards to life

[@jonirenicus9407]

It's also not a great idea to update a GPU bios unless you're doing it for a specific reason and you know what you're doing. Very easy to brick a card with no possible way to recover it unless you habe dual(or more) bios.

[@rickwiggins283]

Agreed. After building countless high-end PCs I can't imagine doing it without having one or more extra working PCs in the house and a giant bin of spare parts.

[@Vittrich]

I had problems with the 3080ti of my friend, who just shut off the pc when a 2nd monitor was connected and it took me hours to trial and error through the components and a 6700xt worked in his new pc and his 3080ti worked in my pc paralell to my 6900xt and we even rma'd mb and cpu without solving the problem and after spending hours of troubleshooting and testing hardware, i thought to myself: what is the difference between my pc and his and so i saw his win10 wasnt up to date, made the updaste to windows and since then it works like a charm.

[@bknesheim]

Have found that testing every part with now good part before assembling everything save time in the end.

[@inquity6]

My buddies love me because of this lol I'm always shooting them old parts I have no use for.

[@auntiepha8343]

Exactly. If you don't have a testing/research PC running and enough spare PC parts to build at least one complete rig on the fly. You are doing it wrong.

[@idontcare9041]

Yeah... fortunately my dad is a software engineer with a lot of experience and parts... I'd say I'm a above average user but whenever I build a new PC I take everything to his place and do it there. I had so many weird problems by now and sometimes you fix it without fully knowing why exactly and are left with a couple options but whatever, if it works it works

[@darrenwilkinson1742]

This video helped me as I’m about to update my bios on an asus board and the multiple restarts would have freaked me out and could have easily led to me bricking it halfway through. Thanks Jay

[@BatkoNashBandera774]

Thanks for this video, it helped a lot especially contextualizing how a display memory address can be lost or shifted post BIOS update.

[@JeremyArchie]

Well I'm adding this one to my 'toolbox' of PC fixes for sure. This is the type of problem that is basically 'unfixable' unless you have extra test hardware.

[@rocket2739]

and extra knowledge

[@TheDealer6373]

Crazy to think normal people have a spare 3080 ti laying around as a spare. I would think 99% of us would be buying new components.

[@Redmanticore]

@@TheDealer6373 and never updating bios ever again

[@MrSnrSquishy]

Compared to my friends I have always been plagued with weird PC hardware compatibility, so from all my experiences trying to figure out what is going on these kinds of problems have started to intrigue me more than annoy me. This was an awesome video, loved the process of figuring it out.

[@belther7]

I know that feeling! hahah it just happens to me to almost everything that I buy, it could be just a sensor not working, to usb that ignores mass storage devices, to videocard that I can't change settings in software/driver to even motherboards that the bios reset randomly (even in first uses). But when my friends buy, even the same hardware, doesn't happen to them, even though I'm the one that build their PCs, It's bizarre

[@1337Ox]

@@belther7 hahaha I know right! Last night I was playing some CSGO when my game froze, which I found very weird, so I tried to alt tab and it worked just fine, and I had task manager opened, and I noticed my NVMe with CSGO was on 100% usage and then the game crashed with message that it cannot read some files. Then the game wouldn't start at all so I decided to restart the computer, and it just wouldn't boot, stuck on motherboard logo! I had to take out my SSD with games, boot without it, shut down and plug it back, then everything just started working as usual.

[@LostinMIA]

That was a kicker there Jay! Well done! This proves that issues can be more then just a part swop!

[@coreymorgenstern8065]

Absolutely this would drive me nuts thank God you’re doing these videos

[@MoonShineMosis]

I'm so glad you guys did this video. I just switched to a 3080ti yesterday on my rog z390i motherboard and have been having display issues. In game all 3 of my screens will go black and lock up my PC completely no blue screen appears it just restarts then it's good for a while. Sometimes half of one of my screens will go ant race (black and white or salt and pepper screen like an old tube TV) my old GPU works just fine no issues. I am going to try this update tonight and see if it works

[@earthtaurus5515]

Keep us posted!

[@TheEman301]

Please update us!

[@mitlanderson]

Let us know if the fix works

[@splinterskulll]

following

[@blindguardian8599]

I'm waiting to see the result too.

[@TonysTechAndCars]

Amazing video Jay! I had some weird issues from time to time with my 980Ti ever since my new mother board and would sometimes get a black screen or some sort of static screen. Turns out my card also needed a display port firmware update to resolve this! I wish nVidea were more clear with this sort of thing or included such checks on the driver updates as I never knew this was a "thing". You are a legend Jay!

[@Kridian01]

I have a 980Ti so I'm filing this in the memory banks. Thanks!

[@yotoprules9361]

I had the same problem on my 1080. the firmware update also solved the problem :)

[@hArDsTyLe2259]

My new b550 MB sometimes hangs on the VGA light when booting and i have to reset, could this be the same for my 5700XT?

[@dalsecco8482]

@@hArDsTyLe2259 Damn, my brother is having the same issue on his MSI B550 Tomahawk + 5600X + GTX1650 (running on DisplayPort), so annoying. Also it simply won’t turn on once every one or two weeks lol.

[@jannick63]

Ye, it seems manufacturers are not always transparant about these issues. Keeping it as small as possible i suppose.

[@shadowwolf2608]

As a prospective new builder, this video is so helpful because it validates me getting a cpu with an IGPU as an emergency redundancy measure. Thanks Jay.

[@techdiyer5290]

Hey Jay, there are devices that can upload a new bios , but there are specific tools... Basically you plug a few wires in and reprogram the chip. I think that's how they fix a bricked bios.

[@romainweisbecker7660]

Yes, I personnaly have a tsl866ii I used not so long ago to modify my gpu bios power limit (on a laptop), but it can be use to save bricked bios in general

[@LacasseEric]

8:39 I'm such a space nerd that when I heard Jay say "Twelve-oh-two" I immediately thought of the Apollo 11 LM Computer error codes.

[@Stubbies2003]

Yup. Talk about testing priority based computing in the tensest of situations.

[@georgehartigan31]

So Jay confirms what i 've been saying for 25 years now that i am building PCs myself : never update any BIOS in anything unless you absolutely have to! (and certainly never for fun, or if you are bored or if you are crazy about having the latest version in everything or whatever) 😅 GOLDEN RULE : if it works fine....do not touch it!

[@TheRealBradEvans]

I could not have said this any better myself!

[@jasonking1284]

If it ain't broke, don't fix it.....

[@georgehartigan31]

@Coz Fi well, this makes sense because in Dells computers the hardware is predefined, it's not a random combination of motherboard+CPU+GPU as in the DIY PCs. So the chance of getting an exotic problem such as the one Jay describes here is extremely small because the hardware combinations are checked by dell before they release any bios (or at least I 'd like to think so lol)

[@Makasuro]

Nah, fuck that. I update my bios all the time, never had any issues, though I do buy motherboards with 2 bios these days just in case.

[@georgehartigan31]

@@Makasuro ok, with a motherboard with 2 BIOSes there is a safety net so I suppose one can afford to be more reckless...the point though , and the real question is this : why do you update your bios constantly ? i there a logical reason behind it? Or you just can't resist updating whatever is updateable? (like many PC users are?) Have you seen any performance increase ever from updating your BIOS? Me , i've been building PCs since 1996 and not once did I ever notice a performance increase....improvement in compatibility or an added feature yes. But never an improvement in e.g. gaming... ... we didn't have problems with Spectre or Meltdown back in the day either...not that i know of anyone actually having been infected by it, but...just sayin'

[@ShaunF]

Awesome Job Jay!!! Keep up the good work! I learned something today! Thank you so much!

[@thedanyesful]

Great troubleshooting video! Maybe my favorite of your videos. I would love to see you do a few videos about related topics such as: Patching motherboard firmware to use UEFI/BIOS mods such as 'RebarUEFI'. The boot process: Teaching us what actually happens during system startup. Demonstrating the use of one of those PCIe diagnostic cards.

[@letter2steve]

Thanks guys. You just saved a tonne of work for others. I normally suffer through discoveries like this in silence through a few sleepless nights. It's nice to know you've got our backs.

[@diSTUD013]

Man, that was a good video! I love problem solving and love working in IT. Good job Jay, keep killing it!!!!

[@agmos01]

Awesome video @JayzTwoCents! Thanks much!

[@thepaul7379]

Thank you for making this video I had the same problem after updating a brand new build. After two day of messing with it I ran into your video and down graded the bios and that fixed problem.

[@wilswils4837]

Love these kinds of videos Jay. They are good because i just want to learn more about computers, explaining of error codes, testing methods and other useful information like the Nvida UEFI bios etc. This is easy to look up information, but having it explained from a trusted person makes it way easier to learn. Thanks Team Cents.

[@grnicholsgn]

This is my favorite Jay video to date. Jay thank you so much for continuing to do these. You're providing an invaluable service which I'm sure you already know.

[@amunch10]

*Update Below* Jay, I just ran into this issue and I’m so happy I found this. I gave up and gave my pc to Microcenter to fix it so if they don’t figure it out I can use this video instead. Mine was with a 3060 ti but this happened to me the exact same way, thank you so much! Update: Even though I had this same issue, it turns out I shorted out my motherboard by installing the standoff screws in my case incorrectly. This caused an improper connection to the back of the motherboard. Just goes to show how so many things can go wrong. FYI: Yes I had to buy a new motherboard, but this was also my first build, so lesson earned!

[@babylorvbeats]

I gave my P.C to micro center too and waiting for response lol

[@zakkariffery]

Do you have an update on if this worked for your 3060 ti? I have one as well and I'm having the same issue but can't try it outbfor a few days and would like some peace of mind while I wait lol

[@babylorvbeats]

​@@zakkariffery I don't know if you want my input but micro center was talking about the GPU being defective which was a lie. They wanted me to buy a new GPU from them but I said no. So my issue was that my CPU was overclocked which for some weird reason doesn't display anything when I put the GPU in but when I go into my bio setting and put all the bio setting to default my new GPU came on. That was my solution. You can also try updating the motherboard bio also. Before I can update my motherboard I put all my bio settings to default because if I try it with my overclock settings in bio my computer will crash during the bio update so be careful. Just put bio settings to default before updating the bios. That's what worked for me.

[@zakkariffery]

@@babylorvbeats i was wondering if amunch tried the displayid fix since he also had almost the exact same issue as in the video, but after your comment I'll definitely double check the bios settings to see if I missed something.

[@amunch10]

@@zakkariffery Check out my updated response, I hope it doesn't cost you extra but hey it happens to all of us.

[@alexibrahim5118]

Dude I love these diog videos. Not something I've ran into yet but I'm sure this would be good back pocket knowledge. Thank you!

[@nandhu8034]

Great video. I can totally relate to this scenario, I'd probably end up with RMA. I just wish you shared some more detail on the actual fix you did.. like the steps for the updating DisplayIds would have felt complete. I have been using custom built PC and built few for my friends but I never knew about this until now. Thanks for giving this brilliant video, always something new to learn 👍

[@charlesharrington4279]

Great troubleshooting video, Jay. Would you suggest that folks run the Nvidia displayid updater before doing a bios update? Obviously there are people who don't have another pc to stick the card in to do that.

[@S.Madman]

That or you could stick an older GPU on the PCI-E primary slot, and the 3080ti on the secondary slot to update it.

[@zachpaton7234]

Most also don't just have 2 cards laying around, and with the last few years blooming so many new gaming PC users, that raises the likeliness of most only owning 1 card. You would think maybe yes... Unless then changing the Id from the gpu update makes the current bios not recognize the card anymore and then you don't have an igpu. That's a fuck right there lmao. I would say If it's not broken don't attempt to fix it 😂 read patch notes and decide if it's even worth it or relevant to you to update!

[@Zuriki09]

@@zachpaton7234 sometimes it's worth having a shitty old card for purposes like these. You can buy a cheap second hand 1030 card for like $50.

[@schreursalain2968]

...and that is why i don't part with my old system and use it as a nas with onboard graphics for now. I can use it to troubleshoot hardware if needed and can download/update anything i want from there. I even kept one of my old monitors, just in case.

[@MarshalBeard]

@@zachpaton7234 Buy a gt410 used for $20..... it doesn't need to be another rtx 3080 ti silly lol.

[@Skunnt]

One thing I learned about PCs and especially with building them is to not panic when something goes wrong. You gotta give it time because sometimes the best thing you can do is to wait and let the computer process what it needs to do and usually it will work out the problem itself….unless you got a virus then you can panic lol and always make sure everything is up to date for all your software.

[@dougclark8219]

Every tool in your toolkit makes someone more empowered. Thank you, Jay!

[@rockpyl]

Love these type of videos, as a relatively newer builder (2019) you never know when something will go wrong and seeing Jays thought process and troubleshooting is invaluable information.

[@vectionnoitcev2836]

My sister and I have been greatly enjoying your videos even though she's not tech savvy. Her biggest problem is following your quick talking delivery sooo I went into the video playback speed and slowed it to .75. Now she can follow the dissertation a lot easier but now you sound stoned to my ear. Love the info you have to present with each video.

[@FixCongress]

Haven't encountered this before, but thanks for the hard work, Jay. I'll remember this if I ever encounter something similar.

[@PStateSkate]

Thank you for this. I drove myself nuts with this same issue on a 3070 and another Asus board (albeit older) and eventually opted for a complete overhaul instead of a quick upgrade. I’m glad you were able to ferret out the culprit on this, hopefully it will alleviate some of the immediate panic for the next person.

[@spicywaffles4820]

Thanks for the video! I was having similar issues with my GTX 1060 and this made me research a firmware update my card needed for displayport 1.3/1.4 support. Not the same problem but very similar fix.

[@NoVum_old]

Yeah, I had the same problem, but colud not dispaly from motherbord, and almost had panic attack that I brick PC. Luckly after few days of troubleshooting I finally come up with idea to check HDMI. From there it was olny few google search to find whats up.

[@djafk]

I am glad to see that you kept your old-school analytic troubleshooting steps. Fail, Pull hardware, Pass, put hardware in known Working system, Pass; reshuffle deck and research that specific compatibility.

[@samolhok930]

Good content. I'm new to building PCs but I'm not new to diagnosis processes so this is fun to watch

[@lecuyermarcandre]

I don't know when you search for a topic on KZbin or Google of it uses the video description, but if it does, you should update the description of this video so that people with this problem find this video when looking for solutions on the internet.

[@lordsamhainlemort]

I am not a compuetr expert and I admit that most of the things you say and do I have no idea about and would not dare do myself. BUt, I truly enjoy your videos. You are so down to earth and the way you explain things is so simple it makes me want to try myself, but still won't. Congretulations on what you do and I have become a fan.

[@xXKisskerXx]

Just purchased parts for my finally new PC. Had the same i7-920 for about 17 years now and well, it's time to get a new system. I don't know if I will personally benefit from this video - but I still wanted to thumbs up and comment to make sure others could find it easier. One of the most nerve wracking things for PC builders is this kinda stuff - we all expect "updates' to just "improve" our systems, and not possibly break them.

[@intensedabberoniJG]

i7-920???? that thing is ancient!! how did you manage to make it work past like windows 7? also, did you have a pre-release chip because that cpu is only 15 years old?? hope your new system is running good hope it lasts you as long as the 920 did lol

[@chriscs9080]

@@intensedabberoniJG I also have i7 920 12gb ram ddr3 overclocked to 4.1mhz running windows 10 without any issues. I even tried to play pubg with a 1050ti at 62fps avg on low settings . I bought this CPU when it was released for gaming and programming ..its been running the last 6 years overclocked without any issues. I have the budget to replace it but the damn thing wont die or lose performance .Since I rarely play any games and it performs good on the programming tasks I do I just feel bad to throw it away.

[@intensedabberoniJG]

@@chriscs9080 "the damn thing won't die" LMAO no shame in keeping it if it's still holding up fine in win10, I thought for sure you guys were on Linux or something to make these work. makes me happy to know how long hardware is lasting even with that overclock on it, even happier that it runs games

[@Dandan-tg6tj]

@@intensedabberoniJG You kidding, right? W10 installs pretty smooth on a Core 2 CPU (Duo or Quad) and it is working like a charm and it is working smoothly and fast if you use a SSD instead of a HDD.

[@Dandan-tg6tj]

@@chriscs9080 Olld CPUs overclocked run amazingly fast. I noticed this on Intel CPUs. At some point I used two PCs. One of them had an i5 2400 and the second one a E6600 (I think) overclocked a little and the Core 2 CPU with only 2 cores was working completely stable and faster than the 4 cored i5 2400 while it was 3 generations older.

[@Fireblats]

This video is awesome! I think in order for it to help more people that are having issues, you should add more to the video description. People searching youtube/google for problems with a 3080ti after bios update are going to have a hard time finding this video.

[@pedwardsva]

It would have been interesting to switch to the Legacy (non UFEI) mode to see if it all works. I bet it would. Because then, the GPU wouldn't have to pass through an extra DisplayID layer on the way to the monitor. Sometimes I feel that UFEI is over-engineered. It's like all the sensors that are designed to keep your car engine runnning properly. But, the only time your engine doesn't run properly...is when one of the sensors start to fail...it's almost never the component the sensor is connected to.

[@HlspwnsWorld]

I have to agree. Also don’t forget that if it was built in legacy with MBR. UEFI and secure boot would also stop it booting.

[@TheTekknician]

A solution that has worked for me sometimes is updating the GOP on a vBIOS. Especially some older UEFI-boot capable GPU's do not support UEFI on more modern boards with, for example, a x570 chipset until you update the GOP. A good example would be the Sapphire Tri-X Fury R9.

[@HlspwnsWorld]

@@TheTekknician Yep had to update an R9 Fury X on an x370 mobo.

[@N0N0111]

German cars 😅

[@ls_812]

@@N0N0111 I was thinking the same thing 😂

[@justinhowlett]

Thank you for making this video! I was having an issue with my new samsung monitor that prevented my computer from booting unless I had another monitor turned on. Updating the firmware on my 3080ti fixed this issue.

[@christopherdimotsis1024]

When I herd your comment on the auto tech issues with trying to find issues/replicate the problem I liked this guy…. I hated dealing with customers that get upset when we say it’s not happening to us so we aren’t gonna throw parts at your car….

[@JiuJitsuJeff]

Jayz personification of devices is always gold.

[@JustMyOpinion-]

I once thought to update my bios, so I headed over to the website for my motherboard and in small print under the download button and I quote "do not update bios if your firmware is stable" I left it alone and never looked back since.

[@lordcommandernox9197]

I've never spent any time on an old BIOS, I get a new mobo, first thing I do is update the BIOS, otherwise, you'll lose on updates, but there are risks to doing that, I just like living on the edge

[@petrolhead0387]

Only updated a bios once, that was so I could upgrade to 5900X. Not had any problems yet (touch wood), there has since been 4 more bios revisions since I updated mine. But like you, I will not be updating it, because it is stable and I'm happy with it.

[@kampa373]

yup normally u update because there are features you want but not update to be update

[@pottingsoil723]

Yeah, I have an "official but unofficial beta bios" from MSI which I could technically install on my B350 Tomahawk to get 5000 series support (at the cost of disabling rear USB ports) but there's no guarantee it won't brick my board or cause my system to become unbootable. So you have to decide if you're willing to take a big risk to save $150 on a new board. Same would go for memory compatibility or if you really want to reach higher clockspeeds which sometimes isn't possible with the bios the board is shipped with.

[@thegoodolddays9193]

Stuff like this is becoming less of issue now that even some mid range boards have stuff like bios flashback. Hopefully this trend will continue and it'll become a standard feature.

[@alanngo268]

We need more troubleshooting videos like this

[@SolidNate99]

It's crazy it's 2023 and we still have to troubleshoot like this. There's gotta be an easier way.

[@CaityRaindrop]

This video convinced I wanna be an assistant to tech youtubers lmao the ease of having multiple components hanging around to check each part seems game changing

[@PhoenixNoKiseki]

I enjoy these types of videos, it’s always interesting the different kinds of issues tech can throw at you. Even for someone as experienced as Jay or Linus. I’m always glad it’s NOT my stuff though.

[@dog_knight]

Very interesting. These days we expect a lot of things to work smoothly, and for the most part they do. Vendors have made huge leaps in compatibility over time. Issues like this remind me of the type of driver issues we would have back in the 90's/00's. Especially with all the various dependencies software would have.

[@duckrutt]

Moving jumpers to fix IRQ conflicts. Programs not liking mouse drivers in HiMem. Programs not running without the mouse driver in HiMem. Good times.

[@jamesjoseph5192]

Beautiful troubleshooting on both your friend and you guys at Jayz 2 Cents

[@rudeboyjohn3483]

I absolutely love watching people suss out a problem and figure shit out.

[@mtee9849]

This reminds me of the few times I updated software with too many versions between the version I was starting with and the most current. I ended up doing it in 3 or 4 steps, so that the translation worked properly. I was told to do this by the software company. If I wanted to import files from older versions, I HAD to update it in the 3 or 4 steps. A single step update would work for importing maybe 2 or three prior versions, but that is all. I was still three versions behind that:)

[@wayland7150]

It's worth remembering that in a UEFI system the graphics card is included. Some old cards won't work in UEFI mode which is a clue to what is going on here. In a UEFI system the Windows (or motherboard) boot logo appears at the very beginning of POST which it cannot do on a BIOS boot.

[@akimezra7178]

Define old? 750ti old? I think im having this problem now with a 750ti and z270f mobo

[@craigmurray4746]

@@akimezra7178 Basically Nvidia 600 series cards is where UEFI support is on a per card basis, with the 700 series up UEFI is fully supported on every card. Some 600 series cards got firmware updates to make them fully UEFI compatible but it was mostly the top end models. Some puny entry level cards like the 610 needed a new hardware revision to support UEFI as the 1st gen cards didn't have a big enough flash chip to have legacy and UEFI code at the same time.

[@legion2k988]

Good job, never give up and keep testing. Example, went into the store, came out and my car would not start.. was thinking of calling a tow but didn't really want to spend the cash. Popped the hood and I know the car pretty well, started to go over stuff.. Everything seemed fine. Checked all the fuses, battery even though it would crank.. nothing. Remembered there is a fuse panel inside.. I go look at that and I find one blown fuse.. I have a spare.. Pop it in and I've been driving it for months now. It would have cost me 100's to have it towed and a mechanic to find the same thing. It was the fuse to the computer for the motor.. Never give up.

Excellent work. As always. THX.

[@manslayerdbzgt]

I've had the same problem before and fixed it too The same way glad to see it wasn't just me

[@khaychi]

I recently updated BIOS on my MSI board. Wouldn't post. In the end i had to swap the ram sticks, boot, power off and undo the swap until things went back to normal. And no, nothing was overclocked, no XMP profile enabled. Updating BIOS can cause some weird issues. Only update when the latest bios enhances stability or adds support for a new feature. Not only because you're bored. 👍

[@TheNeelonRokk]

This is why am (probably unjustly) so afraid of updating any BIOS. I am shopping for a new system, and keeping my old one as backup instead of upgrading it. Still props for finding and fixing the issue.

[@jacktesta6171]

Thanks for this. I had almost the exact same problem. Two days..... You saved me from an RMA nightmare.

[@bakzetary3145]

This is the kind of content that is awesome from time to time. A long time ago I became super cautious updating ANY motherboard BIOS for any reason unless absolutely necessary and only specifically requested by the manufacturer.

[@OlettaLiano]

Thanks Jay. This has been quite educational and I'll have a better idea what things to try if someone brings me a PC that doing something similar.