Upgrading the Pioneer Challenger Decks

[@CardmarketMagic]

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[@CanadianPianoMan]

Unsure when this was recorded, but the Gruul Stompy list does have a lot of the core cards that make up the Gruul Vehicles deck that has been putting up decent results since Regional Championship weekend. Skysovereign, Esika's Chariot, Stormseeker, and Akroan War alongside Embercleave and some creature lands like you mentioned are most of what you need to round out the deck.

[@Griever49]

yeah, most of the base of the deck is there, pretty much you just have to change the big threats for others, I would personally keep the couple questing beasts tho, those are always good

[@gareth4009]

On top if this, the challenger decks were made before RG Atarka took off so it’s not really built around that sort of suite either.

[@chaeritea]

It's honestly insulting that the izzet phoenix deck doesn't have 4 phoenixes in it. Come on WOTC I shouldn't have to buy two precons just to have a playset of the namesake card. Stop acting like your arbitrarily rare cardboard is expensive for you to print.

[@DraconicWF]

The two phoenixes was the same for the original standard precon, so at least it’s nothing new.

[@williamw8590]

shouldve had 4 phoenix and they all should've had at LEAST 2 shocks and one or 2 fastlands

[@returningwhisper]

Completely agree.

[@DonRaynor]

@@williamw8590 you're right, if players are Wizards actual customers. But we're not. The main customer of Lizards of the Coast is card market speculators. They buy set and collectors boxes in way excess to those who play the cards.

[@benzpinto]

no wotc doesn’t acknowledge or care about the secondary market!! eat my foot

[@aaronw1026]

CardMarket is one of the best channels for competitive mtg content these days. Keep up the good work!

[@zurreal8087]

Seeing Thoralf sit so much closer to the camera than Jamin is always pretty funny. I actually had the pleasure of meeting Thoralf Severin a couple weeks ago at YCS Dortmund. One thing that fans of the channel may not realize is that he’s 179 cm (5’ 10”) tall. It’s just that everyone else in the office is quite unreasonably large.

[@huckthatdish]

Holy shit, are they giants?

[@Chaylubb]

Lol having only seen one picture of him and the videos on this channel I feel like there's no way he's 5' 10" unless every other person on this channel is like 6'6"

[@kazen16]

Wow 😳

[@ChilliCheesus]

No way! Now I also wanna meet Thoralf in Reallife. I always thought he is way smaller than me 😂

[@lorisbach9905]

Sorry, but googling Thoralf, it looks just wrong. In all the picture, he is more or less a head smaller than everyone else. He is at most 160cm.

[@eatmoretidepods2499]

Please keep up all the pioneer content, deck upgrades, gameplay, and analysis! Loving the content

[@hickersonb123]

Love the content and the channel. I am from US. I can say one of the best channels for pioneer as well as other formats. Love the live card play. There aren’t a whole lot of channels out there doing that these days. Keep up the great content guys. 👊

[@oldmanmucsi527]

I would love to see different tiers of upgrades for the decks. Then gameplay with the new upgrades.

[@Flip4Crypt]

Just found your channel recently and have been watching tons of your content Thank you for all of the stuff you put out! I literally bought the Phoenix deck and was very excited to try it and was sad that I had to purchase 2 more phoenixes let alone actually add upgrades

[@Lemon_Sage9999]

Every day, I learn something new about Questing Beast. Today, apparently, it's legendary 🤣

[@2007Shockwave]

My thoughts on upgrading the Dimir Control: When I saw the decklist I had a different direction I was thinking of taking the deck. Play off of the Shark Typhoon (and pick up another copy or two) as the possible wincon and toss in cards that can synergize with the graveyard aspect of the deck like Tolarian Terror (which can work well with Typhoon as well). This change may go in a more midrange direction but doesn't clash with the suggestions here. The only question is what to cut.

[@davidthomas1791]

Thanks you guys really help a new player who is really growing to love love love this game

[@TheWaffletron9000]

Thanks for the tips! Definitely been eyeing that phoenix precon!

[@PJB-bh8bn]

Need a couple great henges in gruul stompy if you have the means too

[@newworldsound]

I got lost in Thoralf’s eyes at 0:18

[@Y0kAiS]

I like control so I’m probably going dimir. 😮

[@deevad8119]

Guys. Love the content for sure. Keep it up. PS : lower the music please it' hard to concentrate on what you are saying.

[@nadinefarber3464]

Great Video, helped me so much! Thank you! One Question: How many Hopeful Initiatives, Adeline and Extraction Specialist should i put in the Human Deck? :)

[@ha7e777]

Oh I think the best way to upgrade gruul is sell all those Questing Beast, chandras, Glorybringers and go with gruul boats. Skysovereigns and chariots are op

[@natebullock6555]

Questing beasts are the best part of the deck 🔥

[@RyanDeLaTorre]

Do you have recommendations of which deck pair would work best as duel decks? (The video from last year went through how well the different precon decks were matched against each other.)

[@francescognerre2408]

I am choosing to go down the thing in the ice road because honestly, I only have 3 copies of ledger shredder (3 copies from my 2 prerelease events, very lucky) and they are all very happy in 2 commander decks and my cube, and I do not want to spend money on more copies

[@tbomb50]

The gruul deck can also easily pivot into Possibility Storm Combo

[@KebbieG]

I play that deck often on my channel. Such a sweet deck

[@robindubois6664]

9:31 why the music going absolutely ham?

[@talamran7499]

gruul mid/vehicles is actually a real (tier 2) deck so a playset of skysovereign and chariots could the way to upgrade. also I don't what about you but a full playset of a big delve spell might be too much for a deck that doesn't actively fill the graveyard and especially when memory deluge nets more card while also digging deeper, control doesn't need the fast 2-mana effective draw spell because they have the time to spend like you said so a bigger draw spell that is more mana hungry should be better.

[@alexandercanazachambi9744]

specific feedback...... thoralf has such beautiful eyes 🤩

[@archma9e_879]

Didn't Toffel mean Disallow as an alternative for a 3 mana counterspell in Dimir control ( he talks about countering a trigger)

[@kheliaal]

8:54 I’m sorry, but wouldn’t this be Disallow, as it stops triggered and activated abilities?

[@Chaoslorden]

Wasn't there a deck with goldspan dragon in it too?

[@NateBullock-ow6on]

Gruul stompy standard challenger 2021

[@emidex8721]

the person that did the music selection is based

[@Zeecarver]

we got shouted out!!

[@ElGrandeFatso]

You guys forgot to set "Lose all your friends" as a condition for control players.

[@Pravinoz]

17:41 Thoralf?

[@simplyantihype]

ty

[@jaundicedmisanthrope7817]

Nice content as always 👌 if you wanna make some popular casual content, how about a few rounds of gartic phone with the whole squad?

[@Ragnarok633]

So to sum it up...ask my parents for a card market gift card cuz I'm gonna need some untapped dual lands?

[@mms4382]

Neither Thoralf or the editor noticed that scrying with Dissolve will not help with triggers. Maybe Disallow would work better ;)

[@valvadis2360]

Why not update Gruul Stompy to Gruul Vehicles?

[@NateBullock-ow6on]

Because vehicles suck .eD

[@maltepetersen9064]

Frage an die Deutschen, wenn man bei Arena Open Geld macht fällt da 30% quellensteuer an . Gibt es eine Möglichkeit einen Teil wieder zurück zu bekommen ?

[@CardmarketMagic]

Ja, es werden dir 30% abgezogen. Die kannst du komplett durch eine USA Steuererklärung (+itin) wegen des double tax treaty wiederbekommen. -T

[@maltepetersen9064]

@@CardmarketMagic vielen Dank ! Da setze ich mich direkt mal dran .

[@NoKingButChrist]

Gruul stompy can’t be a tier 1 deck? Has no one heard of Gruul vehicles doing great lately?

[@NateBullock-ow6on]

The hell it wasn't I don't know about the silly vehicle version but the questing beast/embercleave version was 💯💯

[@timmyturner6478]

Maybe turn the music down next time. It was pretty distracting😅

[@garlicpress6121]

Agreed, it's a bit much

[@jari5790]

Pionner

[@jari5790]

Pineer

[@vladimirnovy7928]

Priernn

[@Archerforthelord]

Siri: "Did you mean, non rotating extended?"

[@evetrevena4309]

I don't want to like since it is 666 right now but thanks for the video.

[@rinsimplify9107]

giveaway please hehe

[@A_Wise_Monkey]

I think this video is too generic. Not useful for someone who bought a precon