Ups & Downs: AEW Dynamite Review (Oct 30)

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@WhatCultureWrestling
@WhatCultureWrestling 2 ай бұрын
Link for Chris Bey's Go Fund Me: www.gofundme.com/f/chris-bey-recovery-funds
@MelodicQuest
@MelodicQuest 2 ай бұрын
I appreciate that you can tell how serious Orange Cassidy is by how dark his denim is
@AGuyNamedRicky
@AGuyNamedRicky 2 ай бұрын
Shelton did some dental work on that first security guard. Damn
@VincentDeLuca2003
@VincentDeLuca2003 2 ай бұрын
This was the best episode of dynamite in a while. Finally, it seems aew are catching on to something great, something that can recapture the original fire they had from 2019-2022. I hope this great progress continues!
@hdot89
@hdot89 2 ай бұрын
I enjoyed the chaos of the final minutes of the episode. MVP locked in for the closing seconds to end it strong. Pose Up!
@JCJHn
@JCJHn 2 ай бұрын
The fact I could hear the countdown took me out a bit, on thriller you could hear “2 minutes…. 60 seconds…30 seconds”, but other than that I did enjoy it
@johnshort5830
@johnshort5830 2 ай бұрын
I know about Progress Wrestling because of Simon Miller, not vice versa. This gets more eyes on their product, and personally I think Simon holding their title elevates it. 🤷
@SimonMillerYT
@SimonMillerYT 2 ай бұрын
You’ve no idea how much worth there is in this 🙏
@deandrenicholas2545
@deandrenicholas2545 2 ай бұрын
Always good to see Shelton Benjamin finally get some real shine. That match against Swerve was awesome
@davidhandley9007
@davidhandley9007 2 ай бұрын
Because it was the only real wrestling match on the show, I dont know what the rest were, but certainly not pro wrestling
@ChrisLT
@ChrisLT 2 ай бұрын
So excited to see the Hurt boys back. Bobby was untouchable when they were at their peak. Swerve and Nana joining them after this feud would give you such a powerhouse stable.
@TheHKZero
@TheHKZero 2 ай бұрын
Did someone say Powerhouse. Lashley, Shelton, Hobbs. Im here for this Trio.
@ChrisLT
@ChrisLT 2 ай бұрын
@TheHKZero Ok, yeah, Hobbs would be great. Him and Lashey would be unbeatable.
@DJMYSTERYYGC
@DJMYSTERYYGC 2 ай бұрын
Agreed Hobbs would be awesome but Don Callis may have something to say about that ??😊
@TheHKZero
@TheHKZero 2 ай бұрын
@@DJMYSTERYYGC Lashley, Hobbs, Shelton vs Takeshita, Lance Archer, Kyle Fletcher (maybe) ....Again im here for it
@stefanweigl6438
@stefanweigl6438 2 ай бұрын
Stricklands leather jacket had the N7 logo on it!!😊
@Air_OK
@Air_OK 2 ай бұрын
I didn’t notice that last night, that is actually awesome. Knowing Swerve is a Mass Effect fan makes me like him even more lol, thanks for pointing that out!
@Mx.Dmg1999
@Mx.Dmg1999 2 ай бұрын
Nice catch!, never knew he was a Mass Effect fan
@Hellaluyeah
@Hellaluyeah 2 ай бұрын
Mark Davis walked off through the heel tunnel. That was a nice touch. It makes me think, that United Empire isn't over and he is going to surprise turn on Will Ospreay at some point.
@BobbyCrosthwaite
@BobbyCrosthwaite 2 ай бұрын
Jon Moxleys new character is just fire
@BeleCoi
@BeleCoi 2 ай бұрын
It is. Next to do is make a brand extension so we can wait for the story every week.
@consumermp
@consumermp 2 ай бұрын
He’s like Zahir from Korra 💪
@vb2806
@vb2806 2 ай бұрын
Yea like a dumpster fire
@BeleCoi
@BeleCoi 2 ай бұрын
@@vb2806 Boreman Lames is the best dumpster fire.
@Jarrygames86
@Jarrygames86 2 ай бұрын
Sheep keep baaaaaaaing 😅
@RazorsxEdge
@RazorsxEdge 2 ай бұрын
You almost killed me with the transition to the genie. 😂😭 I thought this episode of dynamite absolutely ruled. Seeing Private Party win the belts to Adam Cole returning to the ring and Mark Davis coming back. Made me warm and fuzzy in my tum tum.
@Aevilbeast
@Aevilbeast 2 ай бұрын
Mark davis...?
@RazorsxEdge
@RazorsxEdge 2 ай бұрын
@ 1/2 of Aussie Open. Kyle Fletcher’s tag partner. Been out for a year with an injury.
@Aevilbeast
@Aevilbeast 2 ай бұрын
@@RazorsxEdge Don't know why I missed that I first read that comment...lol, I must too sleep deprived and it just didn't register or something.
@BobbyCrosthwaite
@BobbyCrosthwaite 2 ай бұрын
I was saying all night the young bucks were gonna beat private party. Boy I was surprised.
@AnakinFlytalker700AF
@AnakinFlytalker700AF 2 ай бұрын
Same
@jackrook8715
@jackrook8715 2 ай бұрын
Jericho as champion should exclusively appear on the RoH weekly show.
@entouragefan01
@entouragefan01 2 ай бұрын
Swerve should make the call to Powerhouse Hobbs for backup!!
@trenttylertreadwell7006
@trenttylertreadwell7006 2 ай бұрын
😮😮
@marcusbarugh919
@marcusbarugh919 2 ай бұрын
That's what I'm thinking too.
@xandermouser2216
@xandermouser2216 2 ай бұрын
Nah this is more of a Scorpio sky spot
@dsikonz
@dsikonz 2 ай бұрын
That wouldn't make sense
@ValianceXx
@ValianceXx 2 ай бұрын
I was thinking of him and Keith Lee getting back together. It would be fun
@bradevans449
@bradevans449 2 ай бұрын
This was a fantastic episode. I'm loving the Moxley story and feeling a little guilty because I'm rooting for the bad guys here. Buddy Matthews definitely needs a singles push, he's quickly becoming one of my favorites. I'm hoping that Kamille's loss leads to her turning on Mercedes, I think she would be much better on her own. And that main event as incredible, I'm completely stoked having Benjamin and Lashley in AEW.
@georgespottiswood4660
@georgespottiswood4660 2 ай бұрын
Youngbucks and Private party match was OUTSTANDING!
@LeasonLearned
@LeasonLearned 2 ай бұрын
I really like how for big matches recently we have been getting build earlier in the episode, CD and the party talking about the up coming match, Hangman and his psychological warfare before his match even started against juice, makes them feel big
@izzyonyx
@izzyonyx 2 ай бұрын
I'll keep Chris Bey in my prayers, he is one of my favorite wrestlers
@tomseville2345
@tomseville2345 2 ай бұрын
The best unintentional comedy on the show was Darby making his huge Sting entrance....and ending up stuck INSIDE the announce table within seconds, after having put his jacket on OVER the hook in his vest, and getting caught up in it...
@LeasonLearned
@LeasonLearned 2 ай бұрын
Congratulations champ!!
@Nerdshrink88
@Nerdshrink88 2 ай бұрын
Wear that belt proud in every video Simon, you earned it!
@ItsJustUsEnt
@ItsJustUsEnt 2 ай бұрын
Aew is Closing the Year Strong. Swerve vs The Hurt Business has me hooked. I hope they drag it Out, like the Adam Page Feud. Bobby should Steam Roll the Roster in 2025 Meaning him vs whoever the AEW Heavyweight Champion is, whether it's Moxley, Darby, or Christian Cage.
@13_Leek
@13_Leek 2 ай бұрын
Adam Cole built like a T Mobile employee
@dford192
@dford192 2 ай бұрын
Kamille *has* been smashing people for a while on Rampage and recently Collision. Having the long build to Kamille turning to Mercedes doesnt make her look any sillier than Wardlow with MJF which was awesome when done long -term
@bensmith5985
@bensmith5985 2 ай бұрын
Did MJF and Wardlow ever finish that feud?
@davidmasters6190
@davidmasters6190 2 ай бұрын
AEW truly reflect their belief that heels and faces don't exist. They just act good or bad depending on what they need in the moment.
@musicdragonmountain2911
@musicdragonmountain2911 2 ай бұрын
Now I'm wondering what's gonna happen when the Crime Counter reaches 100.
@LHC2112
@LHC2112 2 ай бұрын
They had Kamille and Shelton both take pins on the same show. I didn't like that.
@Dr_1212
@Dr_1212 2 ай бұрын
Happy Halloween Wrestling fans 🎃 AEW 😎 Haters 💩👎 Simon 👍
@Sd12sx23
@Sd12sx23 2 ай бұрын
Great episode overall. But, yes, they are in a bit of a quandry on how to handle Kamille/Mercedes.
@DanTheMan4Life1
@DanTheMan4Life1 2 ай бұрын
Simon Miller is my champion forever long live ⬆️ & ⬇️
@billcowan5539
@billcowan5539 2 ай бұрын
I am So Happy to see you with that Title Belt Simon👍💪💪
@miky5941
@miky5941 2 ай бұрын
Are we gonna ignore the fact that MVP made a call and Bobby Lashley flew to the arena in just 5 seconds?
@colebartek9742
@colebartek9742 2 ай бұрын
Who said he wasn't already backstage?
@miky5941
@miky5941 2 ай бұрын
@colebartek9742 you are a mood killer Mr Bartek
@LeasonLearned
@LeasonLearned 2 ай бұрын
MVP was so good during the whole match
@miky5941
@miky5941 2 ай бұрын
@@LeasonLearned its called acting ....ok Mr Knight
@clockworkm
@clockworkm 2 ай бұрын
You’ve never called someone on the phone that was in another room before?
@red_hood9733
@red_hood9733 2 ай бұрын
Excellent show last night from the beginning to the ends, well done AEW keep it UP!
@davidhandley9007
@davidhandley9007 2 ай бұрын
Ironic or genuine? For me one of the worst dynamites of all time, just rotten
@XoxSkateLoverxoX
@XoxSkateLoverxoX 2 ай бұрын
I was at this show, no one hates like Cleveland hates lmao. We wanted Buddy to win! Adam was out of the ring! 🤷‍♀️
@davidhandley9007
@davidhandley9007 2 ай бұрын
Cole is just the pits, he has the body of a 12 year old, and what was that yellow tan? Just atrocious in the ring, the crowd turned on him and the match
@positivevibetec
@positivevibetec 2 ай бұрын
Okay we got Orange and Darby on the team, now we need someone large .I don't know, like maybe wardlow
@syafiqhasny4675
@syafiqhasny4675 2 ай бұрын
Bald Kyle Fletcher looks like young Randy Orton 😮
@rezsurfer2808
@rezsurfer2808 2 ай бұрын
" Is It Blockbuster?" LMAO the greatest punch line.... OF ALL TIME LMAO
@Sidgwick-zi8my
@Sidgwick-zi8my 2 ай бұрын
If the goal of wrestling is to make people care (and it should be), the Young Bucks are objectively, inarguably the all time greatest tag team. They could create an iconic feel - good atmosphere in WCW 2000. They have thrived in an era outside the boring and sanitised WWE Monopoly that had made wrestling a stale, tedious and homogenised product. The layers and textures they add to the AEW brand is worth more than any monetary value imaginable.
@Peerocka
@Peerocka 2 ай бұрын
The Usos are way better imo
@davidhandley9007
@davidhandley9007 2 ай бұрын
Love the irony
@erod52
@erod52 2 ай бұрын
I agree a lot of hate for them but they gotta respect it. There match w Private Party last night was sick. Ain’t no other Tag Team doing all those moves they do.
@davidhandley9007
@davidhandley9007 2 ай бұрын
@@erod52 they aren't wrestling moves or wrestling matches though, they are spot fest that make little to no sense. I don't know what the young bucks are, just certainly they aren't professional wrestlers.
@vb2806
@vb2806 2 ай бұрын
Talk about bad takes. I can at least see who it is coming from
@kidcutty88
@kidcutty88 2 ай бұрын
My only issue is why do The Hurt Syndicate and The BCC angles at the same time? Kinda makes them look like second fiddle in terms of importance 🤷🏿‍♂️
@nickgangone9541
@nickgangone9541 2 ай бұрын
I hope these stories collide somewhere
@HelixJoe
@HelixJoe 2 ай бұрын
They literally main evented the show…..
@kidcutty88
@kidcutty88 2 ай бұрын
@HelixJoe soooo u think moving forward they will be the main focus over Moxleys crew? Basically you have both doing "we're the tough guys and we run AEW angles", while everybody else is doing "I'm going to save AEW" angles. They even roped Adam Cole into this Save AEW nonsense 🤦🏿‍♂️ You can't tell me it's where the best wrestle and everything is sooo much better than the alternative when your main storylines have been about how "this place sucks" 🤷🏿‍♂️ its just backwards booking imo but to each their own
@kidcutty88
@kidcutty88 2 ай бұрын
@nickgangone9541 i dont cause i don't want Bobby going thru Pac and Claudio and Yuta just to lose to Mox so soon. Maybe a year down the line or something like that but TK just don't know how to book big guys and gals soooo ill wait and see 🤷🏿‍♂️
@nickgangone9541
@nickgangone9541 2 ай бұрын
@@kidcutty88 for some reason, I believe this will be protected, along with the House of Black. These storylines can do wonders, I actually think if Jericho and Jarrett can help in creative. They know what to do, more importantly, what not to do.
@BMikeGalloway
@BMikeGalloway 2 ай бұрын
Anyone yapping at Simon for holding onto that belt must recall that the ones you get to hold or probably really expensive pieces of memorabilia you bought offline. Mr. Miller earned this title and he can show it off anywhere he wants and I'm happy he shows it on his KZbin channel. I don't live in Great Britain.
@shallendor
@shallendor 2 ай бұрын
Allie(The Bunny), probably was excited that her enemy(Brandon Cutler) got beat up! The battles between Allie and Cutler in video games were so exciting, especially in Among Us! : )
@XschultzieX
@XschultzieX 2 ай бұрын
I wanna see Powerhouse Will Hobbs in the Hurt Business last week. He'll fit in perfectly
@ronald-xs7sp
@ronald-xs7sp 2 ай бұрын
Happy Halloween, Simon!
@schiestymcfadeacon
@schiestymcfadeacon 2 ай бұрын
congrats on your title win mr miller.....great commentary on the state of aew good sir......HOWEVER YOU NEED TO BRING BACK RETRO UPS AND DOWNS
@grizzlybearenterprise3068
@grizzlybearenterprise3068 2 ай бұрын
Private party got The Acclaimed pop when they won
@mightyrabb8526
@mightyrabb8526 2 ай бұрын
Private party > The acclaimed
@isaacdurham7067
@isaacdurham7067 2 ай бұрын
Why are all their tag team names stupid or too long or a combination of the two????
@dominicakadragun3103
@dominicakadragun3103 2 ай бұрын
I mean Anthony is the best part and most likable of the Acclaimed. Max Castor is the edgy teenager who spent to much time in Call of Duty lobbies.
@rezsurfer2808
@rezsurfer2808 2 ай бұрын
@@isaacdurham7067 because the dumbest names like DYI, Fire Renegades was takin along with some idiot names in other places.
@ValianceXx
@ValianceXx 2 ай бұрын
​@@dominicakadragun3103 I asked castor on Twitter "how are you the best wrestler In the world when your own partner is better then you?" And he blocked me
@jasonlee3759
@jasonlee3759 2 ай бұрын
Happy Halloween What Culture Team!!
@Vidya-James
@Vidya-James 2 ай бұрын
25:20 I understood that reference. You absolute LEGEND.
@TheRealRehman
@TheRealRehman 2 ай бұрын
The Hurt Business walked so the Bloodline could run....yea I said it.
@BobbyCrosthwaite
@BobbyCrosthwaite 2 ай бұрын
I love your "hair" simon
@pfcravt
@pfcravt 2 ай бұрын
Stuck in the middle with you is a great reference for a Jericho segment. He loves music references.
@momoney8421
@momoney8421 2 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@user-joshblu7
@user-joshblu7 2 ай бұрын
ROH should take over collision
@AnakinFlytalker700AF
@AnakinFlytalker700AF 2 ай бұрын
I'm not big on fantasy booking, however, I can dig this idea.
@beltway95sports
@beltway95sports 2 ай бұрын
I am just excited that the hurt business has the creative freedom to make this what ever they dreamed of, this can be big
@FigWidIt
@FigWidIt 2 ай бұрын
Very impressed by Shelty B. even in defeat. Forgot he's a damn HEAVYWEIGHT tossing AEW's best around the squared circle
@tomseville2345
@tomseville2345 2 ай бұрын
I *knew* this Devil/Undisputed Kingdom thing would backfire on Adam; *everyone* understands why MJF became a prick again (which they prefer him as anyway), because of *him* ; and they WANT The HOB to get the push Black and Buddy never got in WWE...
@AngelXSantana
@AngelXSantana 2 ай бұрын
Congrats on the championship
@sambinox8725
@sambinox8725 2 ай бұрын
I hope The Acclaimed join the Hurt Syndicate. Max is in great shape now, and imo they could use another heel run
@jonpoon3896
@jonpoon3896 2 ай бұрын
Mox’s “ready to die” comment is a tribute to Bryan
@jadziaezri2616
@jadziaezri2616 2 ай бұрын
Honestly, I think private party and Bobby Bashley deserved the go home spot…. so if they could’ve held off another week on the tag team championship win or the Bobby Lashley appearance, I think private party deserve that end of show the end of dynamite .,,they won the titles they been grinding just Imo
@junkpunchhero
@junkpunchhero 2 ай бұрын
Never liked Private Party, but they did such a good job in that match I was cheering at the 1,2,3
@Patrick-kr2wg
@Patrick-kr2wg 2 ай бұрын
good on you Simon I’m a wrestling nerd also so you’re never alone so don’t give up up😮
@NYR14477
@NYR14477 2 ай бұрын
27:39 WOW WHAT A DIFFERENCE. (only old people will get this)
@afp445
@afp445 2 ай бұрын
I miss that place
@akagainesy
@akagainesy 2 ай бұрын
I like to think Bobby was sat in a dark closet sat on a box with his phone on a shelf next to him just waiting for MVP to call him. And that's why MVP had to call him, he couldn't see any screens or the ring area itself to know what was going on.
@rezsurfer2808
@rezsurfer2808 2 ай бұрын
I want Buddy to win Adam is idk eh. But i see Malakai having Buddy and Brody taking on Singles to get them be pushed as solo acts before he bounces back with Vega. Which is ok. But doing it the right way. I do want to see Buddy move up for belts. He totally deserves it. The Tag Team match gave me some happy feelings and im not used to that and i felt happy for PP it was so much a Great Feeling for them. We all knew Bobby was coming and was special also waiting this long. Even though we ALL felt robbed of a EH show in Salt Lake. This was a Great show.
@SageVallant
@SageVallant 2 ай бұрын
Jericho talking stars is there to bother us all. Casuals are mad that he's bragging and the terminally online are mad because 4 stars from Meltzer isn't even a remarkable number anymore.
@mr.flaxonwaxon9283
@mr.flaxonwaxon9283 2 ай бұрын
This was a pretty good Dynamite
@deeang349
@deeang349 2 ай бұрын
congrats on the championship!
@robbykunkel5263
@robbykunkel5263 2 ай бұрын
Can we talk about the setup of Kenny omegas imminent return to AEW over the last couple of weeks
@Robby102509
@Robby102509 2 ай бұрын
Congratulations Champ!
@WaTiFs
@WaTiFs 2 ай бұрын
Why was Mark Davis dressed like a bum 🙄
@lucyhoelscher273
@lucyhoelscher273 2 ай бұрын
Hey Simon - you should call the barricade Benny, to respect the legacy of the dear departed Barry. Never forget.
@Hunkzilla
@Hunkzilla 2 ай бұрын
Bobby Lashley blessed AEW with 1 Million views on KZbin.
@runningmanli6538
@runningmanli6538 2 ай бұрын
Champion Miller 💯☝🏼👍🏼
@tomsuoy9360
@tomsuoy9360 2 ай бұрын
Why has Renee questioned her husband's actions? She has interviewed everyone but him and his new girl and clan. You would think she would be concerned.
@LeasonLearned
@LeasonLearned 2 ай бұрын
I want so badly for someone to call her out on it, Renee can be a great character herself, maybe like they did with Nigel and Yuta
@tomseville2345
@tomseville2345 2 ай бұрын
You mean why *hasn't* she? And I think that's the problem with fans knowing about real relationships within the same company; everyone wants them to interact, even if their character/role on the show is diametrically opposed; not just Renee and Jon, but Marina and Roddy as well (even though he's in a heel/tweener stable himself)...
@abhimanyukhandelwal3537
@abhimanyukhandelwal3537 2 ай бұрын
Adam Cole should have had some matches on dark and elevation before having this match at Dynamite
@bbartles1495
@bbartles1495 2 ай бұрын
Cut the head of the snake \,,/ flotsam and jetsam reference
@valorjoz
@valorjoz 2 ай бұрын
1) Super happy for Zay and Quen, they deserve the titles. Fun match! 2) I don't mind Jericho's "internet troll" character dropping Meltzer ratings from time to time, but he should do it sparingly. 3) Congrats on the belt, Simon! ⬆️🪙
@TheQuestionsssssssss
@TheQuestionsssssssss 2 ай бұрын
Simon you should start a “fake injury” counter for AEW. The amount of “match ending injuries“ they do just for that person to keep fighting is getting overdone
@Noisy_Army_YT
@Noisy_Army_YT 2 ай бұрын
Will they bring wordlow back when they turn on Adam and who will he side with
@iamza.
@iamza. 2 ай бұрын
2:21 I'm guessing he needs an entirely different type of bowl
@tomseville2345
@tomseville2345 2 ай бұрын
Fright Night turned into a horror movie? Well damn, Simon...
@larkvanderpooli7794
@larkvanderpooli7794 2 ай бұрын
This guy on the juice how he get so big so quick
@jonpoon3896
@jonpoon3896 2 ай бұрын
I wanted Aussie Open to reunite as heels and beat Private Party
@FFA441
@FFA441 2 ай бұрын
I only love 3 things. My momma, Jay White and Simon miller
@larkvanderpooli7794
@larkvanderpooli7794 2 ай бұрын
Loving that belt
@erod52
@erod52 2 ай бұрын
I want to see Aussie Open back w Ospreay United Empire
@LisaBP17
@LisaBP17 2 ай бұрын
This Dynamite was amazing ❤
@ElizabethMichalski
@ElizabethMichalski 2 ай бұрын
Bobby Lashley AEW
@RjD.Panda67
@RjD.Panda67 2 ай бұрын
Why couldnt anyone do an ups and downs for Bound for Glory first i heard on Nxt that Jordynee Grace lost her belt on it and now that Chris Bey is injured. Now im super out the loop
@SamSamSandwichman
@SamSamSandwichman 2 ай бұрын
Sooooo....I kinda wanna see Simon have a tag team match with our ring side wrestling friends against some tag team that's been abusing them. Like, kinda a lot.
@tony6626
@tony6626 2 ай бұрын
Where the frig is Mark Davies mullet! Surely that being gone needs to go on the crime counter!
@tomseville2345
@tomseville2345 2 ай бұрын
He IS Aussie; it's a SHOOT! 🤣🤣
@jadziaezri2616
@jadziaezri2616 2 ай бұрын
Honestly, I think private party and Bobby Bashley deserved the go home so if they could’ve held off another week on the tag team championship win or the Bobby Lashley appearance, I think private party deserve that end of show the end of dynamite they won the titles they been grindingjust I am I am
@stephenmorton6764
@stephenmorton6764 2 ай бұрын
Simon give yourself a Golden Up and keep smashing it Champ💪
@MasamuneShinto
@MasamuneShinto 2 ай бұрын
Did anyone pick up on the fact that Jamie Hayter is dressed like Daphne Blake from Scooby-Doo? Between her and Skye Blue, the AEW women’s division has rather a fondness for that franchise.
@randyhamm3862
@randyhamm3862 2 ай бұрын
Carry the Bell on Avery video I personally am super happy for you
@TheSwordofTruth412
@TheSwordofTruth412 2 ай бұрын
How do you send someone good thoughts? Maybe pray for him, as there is power in that and that's what he wants.
@laundrygoddess4
@laundrygoddess4 2 ай бұрын
My partners family prayed for him. He still died. They don't work because imaginary friends aren't powerful
@TheSwordofTruth412
@TheSwordofTruth412 2 ай бұрын
@laundrygoddess4 Your post is irrelevant.
@blitzofchaosgaming6737
@blitzofchaosgaming6737 2 ай бұрын
6:45. Wrong company.
@BobbyCrosthwaite
@BobbyCrosthwaite 2 ай бұрын
We can't call them the hurt business so?
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