Ups & Downs From Star Trek: Prodigy Season 2 (Part 3 of 4)

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[@adambcakebread1244]

Ellie going full Janeway with the hair! Great job!

[@Majik53]

And her hair color is striking! goes great withe the uniforms.

[@DrakeAurum]

The concept of sailing a starship across a cloud sea is just so awesome.

[@KatsuRyu]

And the visual effects were top notch.

[@GSBarlev]

I had no idea that was an homage to a classic film! TrekCulture does their research!

[@andylongman355]

Prodigy is just wonderful. I love it takes characters who weren't always the most well written or popular like Wesley and Chakotay and turns them into really compelling, likeable characters. Chakotay in particular is superb in Prodigy. On the other hand they've taken fan favourites like Janeway and Doctor and kept everything we loved about them just as it was, or made them even better. Season 2 of Prodigy is some of the best trek we've ever had.

[@chasethevioletsun9996]

Everything I ever wanted from a "new" Star Trek. Attention enough to lore, but never constrained by Canon. Every episode a solid story. Just, so well done.

[@davidgipe997]

Yes, indeed! It is possible, just takes allowances from the powers at be. I hope others learn from this. Lore and new stories are *not* mutually exclusive! :)

[@Keithustus]

Prodigy is the best Trek after Enterprise.

[@JohnnyWednesday]

The CGI work on Prodigy is absolutely fantastic - the ship models are first class! I really hope there's an award coming their way!

[@sw-gs]

I was skeptic when first clips of season 2 were shown with Voyager-A in dock, it looks chorme and plastic like a toy, but when full show was released, seems they polished CGI to highest notch, because ships look as good as in live action shows.

[@QBCPerdition]

The ships and environments are amazing. The character models are not great. As pointed out with regard to the tribbles, hair looks clumpy and hard (I thought the tribbles looked like pinecones), the mouth movements don't really match the words being spoken, and eating is just all wrong.

[@jgvillan01]

Agreed. As mentioned with the error with the Bussard Collectors not lit in that first shot, that bugged me more than anything. Really threw me off into think "Oh-oh. Something's happened." Then again, it did, but not in THAT way. LOL

[@PassiveSmoking]

Oh, it's very obvious that for the animators working on Prodigy it was very much a labour of love. It's a beautiful show to look at.

[@sparquisdesade]

Fun fact, Captain Tuvix's number one is multiple Harry Kims from alt timelines that have been Tuvix'd together.

[@andrewfarmer6126]

But he is still, just an ensign

[@choystick]

I thoroughly enjoyed Elle running through the ups & downs! She needs to do this more often!

[@flichop1522]

She also does Doctor Who ups and downs for WhoCulture

[@TRLAuthor]

Ellie should do more Trek ups and downs. Maybe Retro Ups and Downs for Voyager episodes.

[@QBCPerdition]

Awesome idea

[@gazwalton]

your analysis of scenes like the JC peace scene is part of why I watch these episodes. I hadn't thought of it that deeply and it's truly beautiful writing.

[@WilliamHerrold]

Ellie's joy over everything JC warms my heart!

[@ViroVV]

It was getting annoying and repetitive. Maybe if it were broken up over individual episodes but this was too much.

[@NickHarger]

Wtf is a JC

[@ViroVV]

@@NickHarger It took me a while to figure out she means she "ships" J aneway / C hakotay. J/C

[@MKPiatkowski]

Just saw the eps and was looking for a place to share the JC love!

[@AG-co5iu]

Janeway is a mother. She and Tom had them lizard kids in the emmy winning episode of Voyager. *Everything in that sentence is true.*

[@sarahc3295]

Also in the "Autobiography of Kathryn Janeway"... a human child is revealed

[@Winterfur1]

Also pseudo Canon if you believe and read the autobiography of Janeway. She has a daughter that is half trill. Brief rundown on how this happen Janeway froze some of her eggs in Alpha quadrant before being lost in the Delta quadrant. When she got lost, and presumed dead, her family was given her eggs. Her sister had her spouse, who is a trill, fertilize one of the eggs and end up with the daughter. When they had contact with the Alpha quadrant through hirogen technology is when she first found out about her daughter, but was told it was her niece. When she got back to earth she was told the truth that her niece was her actual daughter. Also if you read the book she marries Chakotay.

[@YumLemmingKebabs]

That ep won an emmy? Jesus Christ...

[@QBCPerdition]

​@@YumLemmingKebabsfor makeup effects, which...sure

[@YumLemmingKebabs]

@@QBCPerdition I guess...

[@ericcousino2068]

You got the joke about Lurians /Morn from DS9 backwards. Morn was very talkative, so much so, other characters would even complain about how talkative he was. The joke was you never actually saw him speak on screen! The chatter joke to the Lurian pilot was a reference to that. If you noticed that pilot has never spoken.

[@ThymeLost]

I was looking through the commits to see if anyone else posted this fact, so I didn't have to.

[@GSBarlev]

I'm disappointed that we've never seen a Lurian with a full head of hair, as it's implied they usually do in "Who Mourns For Morn?"

[@sophiadc]

Did no one take in the fact that our "talkative" Nova Squadron pilot is a lady? ;)

[@ericcousino2068]

@@sophiadc I noticed

[@adrianvanleeuwen]

Thanks Ellie. That was a great review of this season of Prodigy. Lots of exciting things happened and it was nice to see Janeway and Chakoutay finally meet again. They should have been a couple at the very end of the original Voyager series. As they really cared about each other.

[@camerono.8610]

This has been so good. It'll be disappointing if it's the end for Prodigy, but if it is, at least it's a high note.

[@professionalchris2199]

This season is awesome

[@OmegablueWolf]

loved seeing Marshal Janeway in Prodigy complete with her sleeveless uniform.

[@cjt217]

Massive up to the writer's room of Prodigy for giving us Chakotay's best arc we've ever seen

[@motherofpearlmusic2015]

In cetacean observations, don't forget that Riker, Worf and Rafi encountered the "attack tribble" on Daystrom Station. Obviously a wink to this season of Prodigy. :)

[@annaoutdoors]

It's like you read my mind with all the wonderful J/C stuff! Thank you so much for this video.

[@quoniam426]

You shouldn't doubt of your abilities to present such a show. You got it, continue on this track, Ellie. The magnificent picture of stars and gas cloud seems to have been inspired by a James Webb picture. Spzaking of continuity, they took the Mirror Janeway of the game ST online. Going down with the ship is not so much a Janeway rule as it is a naval/avitation tradition. The one responsible of the souls on board should depart last and if there are still other people on board, that means the captain must go down with the vessel.

[@maryellencook9528]

The lightening eating worms is reminiscent of the spice sand worms of DUNE. The tribbles looked more like giant artichokes with teeth.

[@davidrohde2636]

The Morn joke is he never stops talking but we never see him speak a single word! Also he was a cheers joke about Norm.

[@pdg23]

I love you mentioning the parenting aspect of Janeway and Chakotay in this season. In some way I felt that hologram Janeway had some maternal elements to her in season 1--she starts off as the training hologram, but she grows beyond her programming.

[@DJHolte]

Ellie, you're a great presenter and I hope we see a lot more of you. You make everything fun and engaging, and you have a great energy. 🖖

[@safiremorningstar]

Boothbee the being mentioned is also a homage to the late great actor who played him Ray walston...

[@adamgoss3638]

With regard to Mirror Voyager, I have to theorize two possibilities: either this is a Terran Imperial Starfleet remnant, in exile from the space conquered by the Klingons and Cardassians, like the Imperial Remnant post-ROTJ in the Star Wars universe, or this is A mirror universe, not THE mirror universe, another mirror universe where the Terran Empire wasn't overthrown so early. There could be more than one, just as TNG showed us many very-similar-but-different quantum realities in the episode "Parallels" - which reminds me that I've long wondered if one or more of those 285,000+ alternate Enterprises were from the/a mirror universe!

[@AzraelThanatos]

Considering everything else, this might also be borrowing the STO mirror timeline...though that doesn't explain why it's the Voyager-A there since Marshal Janeway wants HER ship and doesn't really give much of a damn about anything else with it.

[@QBCPerdition]

According to Aaron Waltke, after the final events in the Mirror Universe that we see in DS9, the Terrans overthrow the Klingon Cardassian Alliance and re-establish their own fleet with delusions of reconquering the Terran Empire. As to why it is the Voyager-A considering there wouldn't have been a Voyager to begin with...um...reasons.

[@Cdr2002]

@@QBCPerditiongod that’s so fucking lame I really hate the idea of that being canon. Kovich literally says to Georgiou’s face that the Empire fell centuries ago, in a situation where it is of no benefit for him to lie. Sorry if I come across as angry at you, I’m just very frustrated

[@Cdr2002]

I vastly prefer both of these ideas, great work thinking them up

[@AzraelThanatos]

@@Cdr2002 I'm not sure if the Empire would last for very long in it's current point for STO anyway...Marshal Janeway is, probably, off wandering again to play pirate queen while Empress Leeta is trying to restabilize the Empire following Emperor Crusher's entire thing with C'qer and V'ger there...

[@Jules-yt3wj]

Great job on the Ups and Downs, Ellie! I'm so happy you got this batch of episodes because you commented on every single thing my friend and I were saying when we watched the episodes. We're also big J/C shippers and it was wonderful to see them appropriately represented by you. Your enthusiasm is infectious and heart-warming. Keep doing what you're doing and stay exactly the way you are.

[@sophiadc]

Ellie, I am SO happy you got to comment on these BEAUTIFUL JC moments! We needed their shipper to make us JC supporters squeak with joy! I mean, Sean would do great, I'm sure. But you were made for the job. The emotional balance between Janeway and Chakotay was perfect! The line "I could never hurt you" made my heart break and release a warm ooze of affection towards them. ❤ I only wish I hadn't seen that episode thumbnail before watching this episode (or Wesley Crusher in the previous one 😅). Kinda spoilery, sweeties! Speaking of which, I link the Loom to Respers from Doctor Who's Episode "Father's Day". And fish that live in clouds and feed on lightning? That brings to mind a Christmas special episode with Matt Smith, "A Christian Carol". I love these crossovers! To wrap up, the character growth in this season, the visuals, the music, the scriptwriting, everything is sooo good. I think I wanted to comment on ten other things but it's a lot of episodes in one go, haha. You're great for doing Ups and Downs for this! ❤

[@sophiadc]

P.S. Tuvix as a captain... That was kinda grim 😅.

[@richtheobald4390]

OmG, people really NEED to watch this series! If only to watch the U&Ds at least...

[@bryanabbott6169]

I can see why Elle offered to host these Ups & Downs... JC time! 😁

[@davidarmes2684]

Yay! What an awesome season this was.

[@midago7332]

You did amazing Ellie. Great ups and downs for a brilliant show. We definitely need a season 3.

[@ronster94gt]

Great job again. You should do more ups and downs.

[@fozzyrinker313]

I absolutely love John Noble's performance, I get some vibes of his performance from Fringe which is awesome.

[@martinsenoner8186]

I pinchwatched all season 2 in two nights

[@Majik53]

Same here, it was so amazing at the end.

[@Eirewolf]

Great job Ellie! For all the nervousness you alluded to, you're a natural! Once again we are much in agreement. Since Seán is doing the last 5 episodes, maybe you should consider writing up some of your thoughts Up and Down wise? 😀 I also got Star Wars vibes from Chakotay's pole. There have been several moments where I've been strongly reminded of other franchises (for one, Murf seems like a rubber goo version of Groot). I'm also glad to see Dal's behaviour annoyed someone else. The combination of laziness, ignorance and arrogance wore thin quickly. He was getting a little hard to take. Hope to see you back for more Trek Ups and Downs in the future! 🖖

[@GSBarlev]

I'd heard _Prodigy_ described as "Star Wars characters exploring the Star Trek universe," and I think we can now append to that description: "with help from Doctor Who." (yes, I know he's just "The Doctor," but _Prodigy_ already has The Doctor)

[@CyclonusEX]

Double Dose of Ellie! Take an Up from me!

[@AlanOnBass65]

Great ups and downs, Ellie. I have to say, I love your mischievous JC giggle. ❤

[@heathercummins1644]

The entire season is fantastic & a major upgrade to Season 1. All I know, is that I want a Bribble!!!

[@bekenotsalony2905]

I kinda want a short trek of "Captain Tuvix and the Enterprisians crewing Voyager A" travelling the stars helping fill people's bellys, hearts, and minds while lending a helping hand.

[@Enigmanaut]

I wish that both Ellie and Sean were doing the final ones.

[@matthewesch8758]

Helluva baptism by fire, Ellie. Well done!

[@micahzook2626]

You are doing a fantastic job, Ellie! I’m really enjoying your Ups & Downs! Keep ‘em going!

[@JamesTenniswood]

I love 'A tribe called Tribble'! 😂

[@kadria8338]

I believe she meant to say "A Tribe Called Quest" but I definitely forgive the slip because of the sheer amount of CetObs she had to cover!

[@edstowell5489]

The Breen home world has a very temperate climate. Keep watching DS9.

[@CeilisWorld]

Was looking thru the comments to see if anyone else picked up on that.

[@arminreuter5151]

Good job, Ellie. You have your own style, which I enjoyed very much. ❤

[@halloweendad]

I absolutely love how the Klingons and Tribbles are mortal enemies.

[@RogerMcCoy]

"The Last Flight of Noah's Ark" was also co-written by Steven Carabatsos, "story consultant" for part of Star Trek: The Original Series season 1.

[@genericasian]

The tribbles themselves are potentially a tie in to S3 of Picard. There was that attack tribble kept by Section 31 at Daystrom Station. There's now a potential source where that came from!

[@DarkSapiens]

Also the big tribbles might be a reference to their appearance in The Animated Series episode "More tribbles, more troubles", where genetic manipulation to try and slow their reproduction made them grow to giant sizes instead.

[@Shadow43Fox]

Mirror Janeway is also in star trek online. And that was before season 2 of protostar aired. She looks the same as well.

[@HomerNarr]

6:39 the picture of Janeway and the hopefuls is very touching. They are all sitting in a circle listening to a Version of Janeway that might later be their Mentor. Remembering how much they trusted her and the journey they had with her. And this trust extends to this Janeway too.

[@JuPMod]

I do admit that I was a bit down to see Chakotay be a hardass when he met the kids again, yet it was understandable given his grief of losing his crew. It was great that H-Janeway and the kids got him back to his kind loving self. I just love how he handled the Runaway through that underground maze of tunnels. XD That journey through various universes was quite a ride. I was surprise to hear about Captain Tuvix. I really did love Tuvix, and it's quite touching that there's a universe where he is still alive. As for Dal, well, the boy really did need to adjust and accept the fact that he is no longer a 'captain'. He was 'captain' in Season 1 from the start, given he just went and took the job. Yet now that he is part of Starfleet, he really need to understand that he has to start from the bottom and work his way to the top. Did he really think Starfleet will handle him command, a cadet? Glad he was knock down several pegs back to reality. Anyway, the last five episodes will be quite ride. :)

[@jocax188723]

Take a drink every time Ellie mentions her shipping heart.

[@locutusuk68]

I don't see Dal as arrogant, it felt more like he was over compensating because ALL his comrades had found their place, a kind of "Fake it until you make it" attitude and a little imposter syndrome on Dal's part, so trying to take control of the Protostar was his way of hiding the fact he was way out of his depth and no idea how to behave not having parents to guide him.

[@Majik53]

Haven't you read Temporal Mechanics 101? Lol

[@czarcoma]

I am looking forward to season 5 where D'ahl finally earned his captain seat, and longingly looks back at these period in time with ChaKotay.

[@Sykboogie]

D'ahl is going to be a SPECTACULAR captain.

[@heyitsjefe]

That would be could however the show is cancelled so odds are very slim here

[@poopie-boorger]

Sounds fun, but what's going to happen to Gwyn by then for Dal to take over her seat? Are they going to... break up?

[@JohnnyWednesday]

The show will end with an old Ensign Harry Kim saying "Computer, End program... So that's how I could have become a captain"

[@KatsuRyu]

@@JohnnyWednesdayor Paris saying “See… If you had done that you’d be a Captain…”

[@soapbox3141]

So much better than the clone wars related material!

[@NightlinerSGS]

The error at 28:40 is probably a rendering issue. It's not just the collectors, all lights are off. As if someone forgot to toggle the lighting on when they were rendering the scene, and nobody noticed it. :p

[@GSBarlev]

Element Animation, who get contracted frequently to produce segments for Minecraft events, have a series: "Everything Wrong With Our Videos" where they go into technical depth about goofs, oversights, model no-clips and completely unexplainable rendering bugs. Anyone who thinks that 3D animation is somehow simpler or "lazier" than live-action should watch those to get set straight.

[@jamesfoster9613]

While the style of the tribbles was weird, I immediately recognized it due to the sound.

[@heidiedelman6840]

I loved the creativity of this season! ❤ really amazing. What an action packed journey!

[@ReelMeurik]

Re: Jankom's beam-out command, could easily be explained that they decided (offscreen) that it would be enough to contact Janeway, to get an emergency beam-out.

[@GSBarlev]

Also that Holo-J was monitoring their condition and anticipated what Jankom was going to say.

[@thomaslabanick]

@GSBarlev That was my thought as well

[@amovieguy]

Love your enthusiasm.

[@TimeSpinner]

39:49 Kris! Hello, Kris! The next time Ellie does an Ups & Downs, would you kindly have a boatswain's whistle announce Shipper On The Bridge? Because she has well and truly earned that pip.

[@lykan2]

I appreciate that they gave Mirror Janeway Borg Implants, just like her STO Version which makes that sort of canon now. Also...i am sad that Birdman died. i didn't get much from Commander Adreek, i would have loved to get more of him, but i liked what i got.

[@sparquisdesade]

I absolutely DIED when I saw that. Made me way more happy than it should have. haha.

[@GSBarlev]

I've never played _STO,_ and a galaxy constantly at war is not what I would want for the _Trek_ timeline, but I *love* that the current batch of showrunners aren't afraid to elevate bits of the _STO_ canon, from the Odyssey class Enterprise-F to Mirror Janeway.

[@tinkinc85]

Still the best Star Trek produced since 2005

[@dantetre]

I have theory. Admiral Jelico in the 24 th century is actually the goa'uld infected senator Kinsey from 21th.

[@davidgipe997]

Only the federation president is briefed on Stargate Command. ;)

[@CeilisWorld]

@47:20 About the Breen Elle, keep watching DS9 into season 7 with the episode, "The Changing Face of Evil". In the exchange between Weyoun and Damar, Weyoun states that intelligence reports on the Breen home world was "quite temperate". Damar asked why they needed refrigeration suits then to which Weyoun says "They don't say".

[@karlaelia4275]

Awesome job Ellie!!! Please keep doing more. :)

[@Majik53]

I'm on my third watch through, first I binged Season 2, then went back to season 1 and then 2, now almost finished season 1 again, on episode 14. I'm loving it. I can't wait until they have season 2 on disc, so I can have a backup copy if it gets cancelled again.

[@dreameroutthere]

LOL. The ups went from 43 to 45 to 44 back to 45 again. I couldnt not not notice that. Great work again, as always Elle!

[@JustBen81]

Well, let's give a down for this continuity error.

[@KatsuRyu]

Trillium Down takes away one up.

[@katiehubbucks4687]

Absolutely fantastic ups and downs Ellie you smashed it! I'm a total JC shipper and I was with you all the way!

[@jpwphoenix1701]

Thanks once again for taking the time to make all these.👏😀There were only a couple of extra notes I had. I loved Janeway and Chakotay talking about the events of Endgame, especially the note that the current commbadges look like Future Janeway’s because she gave them the designs for them. Also, the scene of the Protostar being turned into a sailing ship so they could harness the power from a storm, that was immediately picked up on by me. The Robinson family did exactly the same thing to the Jupiter 2 in the Season 2 opener of the Netflix remake of “Lost In Space”.

[@PassiveSmoking]

One for Cetation Observations, the Bouthby Supernova apparently requires the pilots to open their plasma coolant interlocks, just like the like the Kolvoord Starburst did, which was the stunt Nova Squadron was attempting in The First Duty.

[@c.b.2694]

They really should've had a small grasping hands together when Janeway and Chakotay were first on the bridge together. But I will forgive as my JC shipper heart hadn't been fed in a long time!

[@DonnaTheShark]

Much like when Seán stood in for you on WhoCulture, while I'm excited to have our usual host back I very much enjoyed your visit to the series and I hope you had fun making the videos. You're awesome, and I enjoy hearing you get excited over any potential sign of JC shipping. Live long and prosper, and as River Song would say: goodbye, sweetie. 💜

[@watcherzero5256]

He harvested the eggs from the fish and then spread them on his fruit. Eating Roe/Caviar isn't vegetarian (unless you are a soft vegetarian).

[@bbartky]

I think the term Ellie was looking for is Pescatarian, which is similar to vegetarian except that they also eat fish and seafood but like vegetarians they don’t eat red meat or fowl.

[@chelmrtz]

Vegetarians can eat eggs because it’s not the flesh of the animal. I’m veg and I don’t eat any animal muscle but I do eat chicken eggs. If I had to guess Chakotay’s ethics draw the line at killing an animal - he took the eggs from the fish thing and it go. When it comes to vegetarian guidelines it can vary from person to person

[@aoinatafanboy84]

It's like A Quest called Tribble. You say the whole thing.

[@kadosho02]

Amazing coverage as always Plus Easter eggs too 🖖 Absolutely love the atmosphere whenever they are soaring the stars

[@Erictime4fun]

Hologram Janway in the wilson to our poor captain.

[@simmyjester]

I'm not a J/C shipper myself (my only Voyager ships are Tom/Harry and Tom/Harry/B'Elanna), but it's fun to see and hear someone geek out in a shippy way, as opposed to the plain text which is 99.9% of shippy geeking-out.

[@SuperHamsterGaming]

My ex wife passed away a day before she was going to watch this season. She would have loved it. I'm sad she didn't get the chance to see it.

[@aaronwesley286]

wtf

[@robertogarnero5196]

Good job Elle, thanks! Just a bit, the whole sail scene is taken from Lost in Space. :)

[@scytube]

Really enjoying your take on the Ups & Downs format, Ellie! 👍 One thing that took me out of it this week though was how you're constantly looking at your notes, not just during the Cetacean Observations, but throughout the video. I'm sure you'll overcome that with time though. Looking forward to seeing you more often!

[@Shax117]

23:24 I think that's the point that the 'mutated' tribbles don't look like the original

[@Jayjay-qe6um]

I'm happy that the Kligons continued their campaign against the Tribbles.

[@Orenotter]

Replicators take a lot of energy, and given the small amount of antimatter they've collected so far (storms don't produce all that much), replicating a new shirt would be a serious waste of fuel. better to wait until they restore the protocore. I would not give Chakotay a down. After ten years, that's probably the best shirt on the ship.

[@gestaltdude]

Regarding the continuity error mention around 10:20, could it be Chakotay placed the comm bade back on Adreek's body so it could be used to beam it back onto the ship? I don't remember seeing the body being moved, yet it obviously was (ie the funeral scene), and this makes the most sense.

[@jamesfoster9613]

Also I do appreciate, as confused as I was at first, how they updated you on the status of the mirror universe and Terran empire post-DS9 despite the fact that Smiley was trying to improve things. They just can't catch a break.

[@KCKingdomCreateGreatTrekAgain]

In fairness to Dal he probably wasn’t aware of SAILING mechanics so hard port to him, and many, meant pull to port to turn the ship to port.

[@jimlight5137]

8:20 the down for Dal here is annoying because your frustration with him is literally part of his character arc.

[@AaronScottLawford]

Also Dai is essentially a teenager. I think they forget what some teenagers are like at that age.

[@LokiOdinson-fz8ps]

​@@AaronScottLawfordstill whining I see

[@GiancarloPaniccia]

Looking forward to the next album from A Tribe Called Tribble. xD

[@pknuttarlott4934]

50:15 It's A Tribe called quest, also Keith sweat not sweet.

[@PreparedWolf34]

Thank you for the information on the T-shirts and artist 🙏🏽. Personally, I thought the reason the tribbles looked different was because they were already subjected to genetic tampering by the Klingon scientist.

[@Nebula1701]

No not Shrike from Picard.... the ship here is far more reminiscent of the introduction of Narada in ST09!

[@DJHolte]

If you eat fish eggs, I don't know that the term vegetarian still applies. Pescatarian would be more apt, I think.

[@PacosTacoStands]

I thought maybe they were going with 'lacto ovo vegetarian'. Where folks will still use direct animal products like milk/eggs. Never considered fish eggs myself, but when you are stuck on an isolated planet you work with what you have.

[@pika_dusk]

​@PacosTacoStands No such thing as lacto ovo vegetarian. All vegetarians eat eggs and dairy products. If one does not eat eggs and dairy products they would be called a vegan not a vegetarian. Pescatarians on the other hand are one step in the opposite direction which is fish and seafood. However, as long as the fish eggs weren't fertilized it's still a vegetarian diet.

[@joeyderrico8134]

Some of Dal's attitude change also has to do with what he sees when Crusher tells him to keep his eyes closed cause doesn't want them to see spoilers, another Dr. Wo reference

[@redhl0324]

Does the appearance of the mirror universe Janeway and Voyager means that the Terran Empire somehow managed to return and destroy the Alliance?

[@JuPMod]

I cough it up being another universe where the Terran Empire did not fall.

[@CarbonSpire]

I meant to comment this on the last U&D... The Infinity and the Loom really make me think of the Nebbichanedzar and Sentinels from the Martix (respectively). I haven't seen anyone comment on how Matrix-y some things look this season. ALSO, the Loom is also giving off major "Langolier" vibes in their premise. (ya know... Stephen King?)

[@Aezetyr]

Keep up doing these T/C these are a lot of fun! I do have a couple things to add - The Mirror Universe stuff is the biggest mis-step of the series for me. Massive continuity failure. Why is there a Terran Empire in the timeline of this show? It was established in DS9 that the Terran Empire fell and Humans were now slaves. Are they really telling us that the Terrans have regained power, and are able to build ships as impossibly powerful and advanced as the Voyager-A and in theory the Protostar? It was difficult enough to rationalize the existence of the Defiant in the DS9 Mirror scenario, I just cannot do the same here. That's my massive down for the season. Taken on it's own merits there are some cool things going on, but I just can't rationalize it. Beyond 'Mirror Mirror' and a limited amount of the DS9 Mirror stuff I just didn't enjoy any of those stories. 44:48 : I really hope that Andorian woman from Chakotay's crew isn't Jen from Lower Decks... I think this show takes place some time after? The timeline seems snarled; I hope someone has lined things up because it's not really making sense to me. She is not named as far as I know. 47:20 : Weyoun mentioned the Breen homeworld before, in 'The Changing Face of Evil' late in the series. “Our new allies are full of surprises, aren’t they?” he asks Damar. “You know those refrigeration suits they wear?” He elaborates, “I’m sure you’ve read the intelligence reports that say that their homeworld is a frozen wasteland. Well, it’s not. The climate on their planet is quite comfortable.” Damar responds, “Then why do they wear refrigeration suits?” Weyoun answers, “They won’t say. You see what I mean? They’re full of surprises.” 55:00 : Here we have the Agonizer torture devices... IT'S A KIDS SHOW, EVERYONE! REALLY!

[@amoktimeflies]

I love you Ellie and love the way you’ve adopted the ST universe…. One thing I would ask is in your next ups and downs (and I hope there are more!) please vary from the phrase ‘take an up’? ‘Even the whales are evil!!’ 🖖

[@melissac7081]

Wait, for the first down, Dal was sent to find the "plasma fruit", right? And I assumed that was the sparking plant he found. So touching it was what he was told to do? I watched the scene and thought it was rather careless of Chakotay to send someone up the hill alone, and not mention that's where the sandworms were.