Urethane Is GOOD On House Shots & Here's Why!!!

Urethane bowling balls are not only GOOD on house shots but on this video I will explain to you why you should probably give it a try!
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[@BigDangerous311]

I bought a Zen U and an Eternity to add to my arsenal. I took them to the pro shop this past weekend on Saturday to have them drilled and I could only bring one other ball with me since I only have a 3 ball roller. I ended up taking my Jackal Ghost so I could have the pro shop match the specs. I wasn't really expecting to bowl, but they were able to get the balls drilled for me on the spot and I only had to wait around about an hour. I decided while I'm there I might as well roll a few games with the balls. I have to say that Zen U was super impressive for me. I didn't use it so much as that first roll ball, but since I left my normal spare ball at home I ended up using it for that. I've honestly never felt like a ball gave me as much control and confidence in picking up spares as that Zen U. I was also super impressed by the fact that it had the power to drive through the pins to pick up tricky multiple pin spares, like I easily picked up a 6-10 split in the first game. The combination of the Eternity (which I was still trying to figure out as the lane conditions didn't have a ton of oil) and that Zen U ended up raising my average 20 pins. For me, I had only bowled one other time thus far this year and prior to that was at the end of 2019, to roll a 174 with the Eternity/Zen U combo, I was really impressed with that. I definitely want to get back out and try the Zen U more, perhaps throw a few games exclusively using it, but I think it'll definitely be that spare ball for me, to give me the most confidence.

[@LuisNapoles]

try it!

[@commonsensecatholics]

At my house, a lot of people complained last night when I went to use my newly picked up Hammer Purple. Im inclined to keep letting it rip. Thoughts?

[@LuisNapoles]

Who cares what people think!

[@brandonreed5777]

Is it a good type to start on so you can learn to control the ball?

[@jeffcalhoun796]

The last time I bowled league……35 YEARS AGO, I had a (then) new ball, the black hammer. Loved that ball, but sometimes got frustrated by lack of curve due to oil. Fast forward 35 years, I’m signing up for a league and have chosen for my ball….the Zen U, it seems to be able to hook more than my hammer ever did, without being grabby. We will see how it goes. Ty for all your videos, found the practice with purpose video really helpful. Keep it up!

[@LuisNapoles]

Thanks! appreciate that!

[@jyee2217]

Loving my uc3. So much more controlable for this low rev bowler

[@daviddeiss7907]

I understand your process with using the urethane ball to start league night, your essentially making the pattern play longer cuz of oil carry down and once that has developed you go to your stronger heavy oil reactive ball to battle the longer oil. But wouldn't a better strategy be to start out league night with a reactive ball and take advantage of the nice blended oil pattern and once the lanes become cliffed and over under starts to happen then switch to the urethane ball to battle the over under condition without having to be forced to far left?

[@timmartin1354]

I love the carrydown and my teammates have also learnt to deal with it. I get it from using my rocketship, with my low flare drilling, so it's not just urethane that causes it.

[@LuisNapoles]

THANK YOU!!

[@aaronspringborn34]

Question regarding wiping the balls off I normally never wipe my reactive balls in between shots and they’ve been pretty good. I only might clean them to maintain them after my games. One of them is due for a deep cleaning by Proshop soon. However, more importantly with your thing when I do get my pitch black, especially the first shot or maybe first few. It’s going extremely over hook. Are there some exceptions to the rule by getting at least some oil so it can gain traction/control so it can develop its purpose on the lane? Hopefully I make sense.

[@feddyvonwigglestein3481]

Tell ya what, I'm starting to think at my house that carrydown would be a good thing given how much it likes to hook there, especially in the big Friday night league with 5 man teams. My teammates burn up the fronts anyway throwing strong solid covers, and urethane would give me something to work with down lane with something that will get through the fronts cleaner...

[@LuisNapoles]

Yea high friction centers a little carry down will be beneficial

[@BillyDaGoat1017]

Shot my first sanctioned 300 with the ZenU on the House 🥲

[@LuisNapoles]

Thats awesome! Congrats!

[@TysBowlingRevolution]

Complaining about urethane on a house shot is just silly. If you're not bowling sport shot, changing lanes, and bowling 6 or more games why are you worried about transition? Urethane is a legal ball, it doesn't automatically hook for you, and requires awareness of when you need to move or if you can even use it .

[@LuisNapoles]

Couldn't agree more with thus

[@dougdandrea9307]

Luis, where is your video for combating the effects of urethane?

[@johnyarbrough9280]

Thank you for making this video friend

[@LuisNapoles]

Thanks

[@robinbargo4417]

I have the UC3 and a pitch black so totally different tracking on them. UC3 flares where pitch black over the same track. So my thinking is the Carry down is not much different with the UC3 compared to many of the big assymetrical solids.

[@CaptainMasick]

Hey Luis I think you said it best in one of your other videos... Bowling balls are tools use the one that works best for you! That being said have you ever thrown the Fever Pitch?

[@LuisNapoles]

FACTS! Nope never that one

[@Fatkidbowler73]

Sometimes I use my pitch black and it's up and down sometimes then I use my honey badger intensity and that's iffy iffy to winter season's almost over I have a question for you which ball would you rather get phaze 2 or the Zen for summer league? Thanks keep up the great videos 🎳🎳🎳🎳🎳✌️✌️✌️✌️✌️

[@LuisNapoles]

P2 is a GOAT ball

[@Fatkidbowler73]

@@LuisNapoles thanks bud getting it 🎳🎳🎳🎳🎳✌️✌️✌️✌️

[@scherer321]

i bowl at a center where the fresh house shot hooks way to much the urethane has been a god send for me lets me play straight up at 10 instead of starting around 18 and getting a terrible reaction in the back end. Being left handed helps with people not getting upset lol

[@jedikevin20]

I throw the MCP for 2 games on house. I'm a lefty with one other on the team. My other lefy loves it since he is a high speed tweener and on house tends to throw plastic to keep from over hooking. IT helps him later in game with the oil pushed down so he tends to be able to stay in his normal shot for much longer without needing to ball down or slow his rpm which is kryptonite.

[@LuisNapoles]

Nice!

[@johnyarbrough9280]

Very good helpful video about bowling ball

[@LuisNapoles]

Many many thanks

[@jaywhey8822]

I was the first on my team to bring in a urethane ball for house. My teammates all complained about it, blindly citing how it messes up the shot and all. I told em shoot two weeks on the transition and see if you like it. Never really affected their scores much, so they stopped complaining. Now, everyone on my team throws urethane the first game at least, we got used to the transition and realized a lot of other teams get in their heads about playing on the "urethane lanes." Also, I personally love the transition of urethane on house, as it lets me use my reality all night if need be. Or I can always move in and play the normal line.

[@LuisNapoles]

On house yea I love the urethane transition!

[@jaywhey8822]

@Luis Napoles What is really noticeable was last night at league. We haven't had anyone miss in about a year, but two of my buddies were on a trip and missed last night, we only had two, and one of us was throwing urethane instead of 3-4. I 100% noticed the lack of our normal transition, and it was actually harder for once. 🫣

[@joehoenig7596]

Great vid, Luis! a few comments/questions, please: 1. Since you are advocating urethane's use on house shots to combat over/under, it seems to follow that during the ten minutes of practice before league, the bowler should test out urethane to see if it's an option, correct? Or, should the bowler start with resin, and only switch to urethane if the bowler sees over/under? 2. Your choice of urethane balls is interesting to me. You've chosen the Zen U, a symmetrical urethane which clealry hooks way more than the Pitch Black or Purple Hammer, and the overseas 900 Global Vintage, a strong, assym urethane. If you weren't an SPI staffer, and could film yourself using any urethane ball from any manufacturer, would you have still chosen these two urethane balls and if so, why? 3. Are you advocating that a bowler bring two urethane balls to league, or just one? If only one, which should a bowler choose? Solid, Pearl, Symmetrical, Assymetrical, High Pin, Low Pin? Even with urethane, there are many options to choose from, and if a bowler is only bringing urethane as a niche/situaitonal ball in their bag, and isn't creating an all-urethane arsenal bag, certain important urethane ball choices and layouts need to be made. 4. One thing you didn't mention, is that a bowler must practice using urethane, and switching back and forth between urethane and resin, because even with your chosen urethane balls, the angles and visual targeting is very different with urethane, than with resin. If a bowler simply pulls their urethane ball out of their bag, once resin has led to over/under, and doesn't shift their visual targeting and perception to a shallower hook angle and not necessarily a "booming" back end, that urethane ball change might not be as helpful as the bowler expects it to be and can easily lead to wide open splits, rather than makeables! 5. While the urethane balls you chose yield shapes closer to resin than the more "traditional" urethane shapes, it's important for bowlers to understand thart when using urethane to combat house shot over/under conditions, the goal isn't necessarily to strike, as much as it is to "stay out of trouble", avoiding splits, multiples and double wood spares, and mentally accepting single pin spares as golden opportunities to "fill the box", when your opponents are beating themselves up with resin. Urethane balls demand a different mind set than resin--especially on a house shot, where we have been conditioned to "stand here, throw there" and where we know that almost any ball can hook on a house shot. 6. Do you ever attempt to use a benchmark resin ball, such as the IQTour solid, to combat over/under conditions, rather then urethane, or do you jump straight from your resin ball to urethane, the moment you see over/under? 7. Last, looking at the last three shots Chris threw, using resin, in the video, it seems that it isn't necessary to stay in urethane for the rest of a league session, and that the bowler could start with resinm see hte over/under and switch to urethane, intentionally use urethane carrydown to tame down the dry outside, or "over" boards of the house shot, and then resume using resin. The question I have for you, is if you agree that this could be an effective lane play strategy, at what point should a bowler decide to give resin a second chance, since leagues only give you three games to figure it out? What clues would tell the bowler "Ok, urethane time is over"?

[@P.vieRa_YT]

I’m an amateur myself. I just wanted to say that I like your questions lol! I want to know too. I own the following balls: Storm Lock, Storm PhaZe II, Purple pearl hammer urethane, clear black widow spare ball, Columbia 300 beast mode (very weak ball) The purple hammer I need to actually practice with because most of my practice is with the phaze II or the lock. And when the lanes are like the desert then I go to the beast mode.

[@LuisNapoles]

1. If I have urethane in the bag I will typically commit at least 2 shots during warm up to make sure there’s some oil on the cover. Starting with urethane can def reduce the amount of over under in my experiences. 2. The Vintage is a symmetrical core urethane. If I was a free agent I would def have a purple hammer in the rotation as well! 3. I would recommend one at the most and keep in mind that most bowlers wont have a need for urethane on house shots. The type or urethane ball will be strictly up to what you match up with! 4. Switch from urethane to resin is the same as switching from one resin ball to another. Meaning you have to know what the proper adjust will be before getting into whatever the next ball will be. 5. I hate the “traditional” tag that comes with urethane because ALL urethane balls manufactured today shape and hook SIGNIFICANTLY more than the ones of yesteryear and thus there’s no such thing as traditional urethane 6. I never “go to” urethane I will either start it urethane or never get to it. Once I start bowling and then see the over under I will typically move around it or combat out with the stronger asymmetrical stuff like the DNA like the Reality. 7. For me the clear tell to get outta urethane is when you can no longer kick out the ten pin no matter what! I hope this helps with what youre looking for

[@joehoenig7596]

Now that you’re a two-hander, Lou, are you still going to use urethane on house?

[@johnny_1971]

i have found out at my house you never know what your going to get from week to week you mite have outside of 5 it will slide next week it mite hook would unethane be a good option for me thanks

[@LuisNapoles]

Hope it works!

[@johnham442]

I occasionally use urethane on house when they get over/under on me. I've had the most success with my uc3, I have the Zen u which I haven't thrown it much, it tends to leave 7 pins for me (left handed) think I just need to use it more and get a little oil in it, so that it will save a little more energy and carry the 7, but haven't really had the opportunity to do so.

[@LuisNapoles]

Bowling balls are tools and we need to use them in the right way

[@johnyarbrough9280]

Amazing video from you friend

[@LuisNapoles]

Thanks

[@chohn1979]

Yes I throw it every week it’s the tool in the bag that works for me

[@LuisNapoles]

Thats what it's all about!

[@aaronspringborn34]

I’m about to get myself a pitch black for league so that’s my goal

[@jakebooker7670]

In my opinion it is not my fault other bowlers can’t adjust to carry down I’m gonna use the ball that beat fit what is out there on the lane and gives me the best opportunity to bowl well

[@deathsyte2007]

100%

[@LuisNapoles]

FACTS!

[@JSPT300]

What Speed do you throw @

[@LuisNapoles]

15

[@douglasbuck8986]

MID-RANGE Balls with 5000+ surface and polish work well also...... I use my Fastpitch as a 10 pin ball and for spares .............last resort for games - works well........BUT I think it's tricky going back and forth between the two types for strikes. I chose one and stick with it for mechanics and repetition.

[@LuisNapoles]

All about repetition

[@robertalvarado4770]

Have you picked out your arsenal yet for Reno this year?

[@LuisNapoles]

I unfortunately am not going to Reno this year!

[@claytonchan8660]

when you say you want to get into an asym solid after urethane are you saying you throw that asym solid on the same line? or do you move in?

[@LuisNapoles]

Move in a pinch!

[@williamforbes9644]

I currently don't have a urethane ball, I'm a low rev, speed in mid 13's to low 14's bowler, will this help me?

[@LuisNapoles]

It's a tool. you may not ALWAYS need it but eventually you will!

[@GermBread]

As a lefty, does it screw over the right handed players?

[@LuisNapoles]

no

[@Bosshawg614]

I start with urethane for house with a fast pitch stand on 14-17 range play around 5-7 let it roll early 10 in the pit. Long as my ball speed stays up I can go 2 games with it

[@LuisNapoles]

Sweet!

[@joshg218]

No lie I always assumed over under was when the heads are dried out from carry down and the carry down in the back ends. Maybe it's just me, cliffed was when there is much more oil inside than outside aka super high ratio.

[@LuisNapoles]

Cliffed and over under are the same thing

[@johnyarbrough9280]

I like this video about bowling ball urethane

[@LuisNapoles]

Thanks

[@allhailexoticanimals8866]

Great video man, I too like to throw urethane on a house shot. I’d love to see you possibly do a review on the black widow pink urethane? I genuinely believe it is a goat ball but I’m probably biased

[@JesusReyes-jx8mt]

He cannot showcase that ball as a 900 global staffer 👀

[@allhailexoticanimals8866]

@@JesusReyes-jx8mt Ahh, alright, that makes snese

[@LuisNapoles]

I'm on Global Staff so I can't review that ball unfortunately!

[@patrickj1628]

Urethane on house used to drive me crazy but now I can combat it I do it to piss other teams off

[@LuisNapoles]

lol

[@scottshiira6551]

I've realized that the Zen U is great for the common folks.

[@LuisNapoles]

FACTS!

[@IamTheShermanator]

Only 19 seconds in but it's funny to see this video uploaded now. I JUST got home after getting the ZenU and it felt like an absolute cheat code. Seriously considering bringing it to league night on Monday. 👀

[@LuisNapoles]

DO IT!!!

[@joshg218]

In a team league unless my other teammates are all lefty, I wouldn't throw urethane. Messing up oil patterns have a lot to do with rev rate as well. Luis, you don't have enough hand to effect the lane so bad after 1 game. You'd need more people on the lane to cause transition, and the urethane going down the lanes will make it choppy. A good follow up for this is you and Chris and Andrew all throwing urethane for a game or two and then see how cliffed or how much transition you caused. House shots get cliffed much faster than sport patterns. Flat patterns typically get broken down to higher ratios than the 1:1 or 1.5:1 to a 7-10:1 pattern with practice and a game or so. A 7-10:1 pattern can become 14-19:1 and get super cliffed creating the over under condition

[@LuisNapoles]

Messing up patterns? What do you think reactive balls do to the oil pattern?

[@joshg218]

@@LuisNapoles reactive cook the heads and urethane stretch the pattern..

[@ripvanrevs]

Another way to play urethane if you have a cliff is to throw on top of the dry. If you get it to the intended break point it hooks into the pocket. If it hooks early, it hits the oil (shim) and still goes in the pocket. Some of us don't have the high revs to go around it.

[@LuisNapoles]

Yea I feel like with urethane you need a decent amount to go around it

[@adamcedarwall6049]

When I had to quit bowling in 2010 due to injury I was throwing a storm natural people will find anything to complain about including the fact that I'm a lefty I'm over here throwing from about five to one literally every other lefty is throwing at least five boards right of me it is what it is if I ever start bowling again I will have a urethane ball in my bag

[@LuisNapoles]

Yea they just love to complain!

[@nathancummins968]

For the life of me i can't shoot a good game with urethane and I am trying. I am literally forcing myself to use my purple hammer and I've lost 14 pins on my avg. I may just suck to bad to use it. lol. Thanks for showing and talking about how to throw urethane.

[@ripvanrevs]

Might just be the lane condition doesn't match up with the ball.

[@notonyourlife7939]

I'm sure you've heard this before, but you can't out-bowl bad ball reaction. Urethane is just tool, and like everything else in your bag, there's a right time and a wrong time to use it. But trying to brute force results with the wrong ball in your hand is a losing battle... and imho, ain't nothing worth sacrificing 14 pins of average. It's like steadfastly insisting that you could hit a 200 yard drive with a sand wedge, if only you tried hard enough... but that ain't gonna happen, lol. Ditch the urethane unless you're on a pattern that calls for it... your average will thank you. 👍👍

[@SirJoelsuf1]

Are you speed dominant? If you are, thane won't do anything for you. Especially the purple Hammer, which is pretty much exclusively for higher RPM bowlers.

[@nathancummins968]

@@ripvanrevs The owner of LBC likes experimenting with different types house shots. So that's good possible.

[@nathancummins968]

@@notonyourlife7939 I have and I listen. But like a drug I keep going back and trying it the next week.

[@jerryvanzant]

I'm bowling league tonight at Kenmore lanes 6:45

[@LuisNapoles]

Nice!

[@800series]

Luis you should try the IQ/U. Its a super overseas ball!!The UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU !!!!!

[@LuisNapoles]

I WISH I could get one!

[@deathsyte2007]

I agree with lou 1000%. ANY bowling Ball regardless of cover/core is primarily made to be used on the lane. Period...The manufactures would have said that much. The manufactures continue to make them because the are excellent control balls who have a lot of revs. The carry down happens from NOT wiping the ball after each shot since it absorbs oil extremely slow or not at all. Other than that the carry down will happen at a normal rate. The universal cries of complaint of unwanted carry down are for those who do not know how to adjust or if you do do not like having to move from your comfort boards you are normally used to on house. Lets be real this isn't an opinion, its truth that is scientifically and publicly verified. I understand that people do not like to move but this complaint has always been childish especially since in the past this was all they threw back then. I don't personally don't usually throw urethane on house is because I have more miss room with the oil at the center I bowl. As well as I bowl a 5 man team and doing it as a common curtesy to keep friction consistent. If there was just singles going on I WILL bowl what gives me the biggest miss room PERIOD. Nobody can literally prove why it is bad other than opinion based unspoken rules in league.

[@SirJoelsuf1]

Fair enough, but the key sentence in your observation is "The manufacturers continue to make them because they are excellent control balls for bowlers who have a lot of RPMs." Here's what makes things problematic, and why the majority of league bowlers don't like when thane is used: Most bowlers do NOT have a lot of RPMs. In fact, most bowlers are RPM deficient/speed dominant (less than 300 RPMs, ball speed faster than 13 MPH). Therefore, thane carries down oil for them, resulting in lower scores. So while you are RIGHT in that complaining about thane is childish, those complaints are still warranted. I compare it to fighting games when someone's main is a high tier or even worse, an OP character; its very easy to say "just git gud, scrub" at something like that, but there is a reason why certain OP characters are banned during some fighting game tournaments. They indeed create an unfair advantage and there is data that proves that. Is thane the same? Might just be. As someone who is just now breaking out of being RPM deficient (up until this season my RPMs were less than 200 now it's around 300), thane straight up wanted me to give up since I knew that if I were to score off of the carrydown, I would need to put surface on my most aggressive ball and feed it out to the 10 board from the 15 board. But guess what, I can't put surface on a bowling ball after its been thrown. Sooooo, now I'm sunk. It's like this for more bowlers than you could possibly imagine. So yes. Bowlers can and SHOULD throw whatever they want that produces the best scores for them. BUT! You should also be allowed to put surface on a bowling ball during play. Cuz not all of us have the budget to bring nine different balls to league. Some (actually, I'd argue MOST) are only able to bring four. At MOST.

[@deathsyte2007]

@@SirJoelsuf1 I agree with the last point and I also I agree with you and think surfacing the ball during match play at least once should be allowed at a league & regional level. I fully understand the FGC logic but as far as the thane is concerned, Its a little bit more plain than the comeback mechanics that's now here to help scrubbs win in fighting games. This is literally an unspoken rule layered out for scrub league casuals. How is it the fault of the bowler of their preferred ball choice? How is it the fault of the other bowler who may or may not have the revs of the opponents he or she faces? Or if one bowler who put in the work to have a good skill set vs. the other who may or may not have the skills or physical choice in approach form? We have to much tech and answers for carrydown in 2023 that have proven to work. You mentioned one of those things by changing surface which is an excellent answer in itself.

[@deathsyte2007]

@@SirJoelsuf1 And thank you for giving a logical answer and not based of feelings involved thank you.

[@LuisNapoles]

Agreed!

[@mollymark3019]

Love my urethane bowl now I have it drilled pin down wow

[@LuisNapoles]

Oh nice !

[@dougmatteo7359]

Someone can use whatever they want but I think it wrecks the house shot. The term shooting yourself in the foot comes to mind. It might help for a while but everyone will eventually have a tougher shot by second and third game.

[@LuisNapoles]

Thats not true though lol you just gotta adjust in a different way than what we are accustomed to. We have turned into robots bowling league. I start here with this ball and then move here with that ball. Bowling is a game of adjustments

[@dougmatteo7359]

@@LuisNapoles I agree with a lot of what you said but it definitely destroys a typical house shot. We all have opinions! I bowl with guys that all throw it and by the third game it’s a very difficult shot even compared to a sport pattern.

[@scherer321]

usually you just mover right and shoot a board or two right its not that hard to adjust and most people bowl better straighter

[@jerryvanzant]

Is urethane a good option for those who play more towards the outside of the lane?

[@douglasbuck8986]

Yes............ I throw at what I call the wicket (between the 5 and 10 board) straight up. I do it with Mid range resin at 5000+ sometimes polished OR Fastpitch urethane @ 1000 grit. BOTH WORK WELL and I've had some really good games with both options.

[@LuisNapoles]

Yup! 100%

[@jerryvanzant]

I play the outside part of the lane with some backend.

[@Samuel-xs2yv]

I usually bring a urethane with me every week. I give it a practice throw or two, and if it looks good I throw it. If not, I use a different ball in the bag. People tend to get needlessly riled up, though 😂

[@LuisNapoles]

Actually hilarious LOL

[@ryanvoight9246]

Bang bang urethane gang. 🟣🟣🟣

[@LuisNapoles]

LMAO

[@thatloudCG5]

Younger me throwing Naturals a decade ago would look at older me now with a WTF face but... Urethane is definitely great on house shots when there's too much to the left (right for you) and I need to settle the reaction down or resin just isn't there at all. And unfortunately for those who can't move in, it's also a great 🖕 play to shut them out and obliterate their look. As stated by a guy we call here in Charlotte as "The Bootleg Norm Duke,": MY BALL (throwing a sanded Proton Physix) ISN'T HOOKING!!! Me and my friend smiling at each other with evil grins: (Kronk voice) "OH YEAH, IT'S ALL COMING TOGETHER." 😂😂😂😂😂

[@LuisNapoles]

lmao!

[@freeekychiiild4765]

Urethane is a tool why not use it! Shot my first 300 with urathane zen u.

[@LuisNapoles]

Thats awesome!

[@ripvanrevs]

Bowlers have been doing this for 30 years since reactive came out. A lot of houses only stripped the backs once a week so it wasn't bad unless you bowled the first league after. I was in one of those leagues. I was throwing a 20 year old plastic ball with my thumb out to get a smooth roll off the 5 board. The guys that bowled that league on Monday all averaged 15 pins higher on Thursday when they started with carry down.

[@LuisNapoles]

I would never bowl in a center that did that

[@larrylacroix3944]

I have always been under the assumption that a low rev low speed bowler would not be a good choice for urthene

[@joehoenig7596]

Sadly, that's what a lot of misinformed folks would have you believe. I'm also low speed/low revs. Just because PBA pros with higher speeds and rev rates use urethane, doesn't mean you can't! Use when your house or sport shots aren't allowing you to control the reaction of the ball at the pins, with your resin balls, and when your adjustments aren't working.

[@LuisNapoles]

Thats mostly true but bowling balls are tools period

[@MrRoss3291]

1000% I do I'm usually the only lefty on my team so I ruin my own pattern with urethane

[@LuisNapoles]

haha nice!

[@jimmie8101]

The problem isn't urethane. The problem lies with bowlers who can't repeat shots and spray it everywhere on the lane. One or two people is fine, but an entire team throwing it inaccurately on a pair in league can be a nightmare. Even if you do manage to hit the pocket consistently, the entry angle and carry is going to be hotdog water... Especially when the lanes transition and you miss left or right. There are much better options in anyone's bag.

[@jdizzlef83]

Good point - place I bowl on Mondays is a very high friction house. My usual first ball out is the Jackal Ghost, which I can't throw there because of the friction. Guy we bowled against threw the Hammer Pink Urethane the first game, which allowed me to throw my Ghost on top of his line - went 8/, off the sheet for 290 lol

[@LuisNapoles]

I would argue that a team of bowlers "spraying" it everywhere with reactive balls will create more damage than urethane

[@angrywally4087]

I would not Use the Pitch Black on House shots because It has a hard time rounding the corner like reactive. I would use the Zen U or Reactive.

[@LuisNapoles]

I dont mind slow rolling urethane!

[@johnyarbrough9280]

Hi good afternoon

[@LuisNapoles]

hi

[@michaelw_yee]

The only urethane I have is a pitch black. Never bring it to league because my house puts out a 43ft pattern.

[@LuisNapoles]

Yea that might be a little long for urethane

[@scottythompson940]

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[@LuisNapoles]

Thanks

[@scottythompson940]

@@LuisNapoles your welcome

[@nordattack]

Great video Lou! I think more urethane vids will be very educational for bowlers who have heard the buzz and gotten incorrect ideas about urethane. Sadly Urethane has become a touchy subject these days mostly due to "some particular pro(s)" whining to leadership about other pros running them over with Purples when the staff they are with does not offer a good urethane option. There is an important point you did not make that I would like to explain. "Modern Urethane" vs. "Traditional Urethane." Modern Urethane balls, or as I like to call them, "Rezathane balls" like the Zen U, UC3, Pitch Purple and so on, are not really urethane balls. I have a Zen U and have used it quite a bit. It is definitely a Resin ball. It absorbs oil if left on the return for a few mins, pops in the back, skids through the front and shapes quite a bit. It is just a smoother resin ball, having some urethane qualities to calm it, but not a traditional urethane shape. These Rezathane balls are designed generally for resin league bowlers who do not understand what real urethane is or how it rolls or works and are upset when it does not jump in the back like their resin balls. However, look at the urethane balls the "Pros" use today on the tour: Pitch Black and Purple. Why just these two mainly? Control. The purpose of urethane is to provide maximum control of the pattern. The pros are accurate to such a degree that they don't need or want a urethane ball to shape, they just need it to go straight. Look at how Simo played the Wichita Classic with his Pitch Black. Pros deal with very, very difficult patterns and traditional urethane shape (early and smooth) provides control and taming of the pattern. Once the pattern has been tamed with urethane they can switch to resin and it will not be flipping all over the place where before it would have. On house urethane can do the same thing for a "skilled bowler." As you pointed out, house shots are very blocked, cliffed, over/under. A ton of friction to the outside and a mountain of oil in the middle. Resin balls exaggerate this and the more resin balls that go down the lane around second arrow and outside of it, the more blocked the pattern becomes and the more flippy the reaction. But urethane, if played properly and accurately, can smooth that cliff out and make the shot more manageable for all. The other really great thing about urethane that you did not mention is the moves. Many times when using urethane on house, I have not moved a single millimeter for three games and the shot remained the same. I planted my foot, found my target and never changed a thing. That is what urethane can do for you that resin cannot. Luke Rosdahl said it this way: "Find your spot, camp out, hit your spot and cash in." 😉

[@LuisNapoles]

I love the camp out feeling of urethane haha

[@ericbowers1620]

I was not getting my typical break last night in game 2 so the 3rd game I went with my purple hammer, which up to that point I was just using as a spare ball. It worked great in game 3. Had the front 7 and let a great game get away and settled for a 232. But next week Im going to start with it in the fresh and see how it goes.

[@LuisNapoles]

Oh nice! I hope it rolls well for ya !

[@FearTheWeird300]

I get the opposite reaction with urethane. Once it hits friction it snaps harder than anything I’ve ever thrown.

[@LuisNapoles]

How??

[@knep24]

I use a purple hammer on the fresh every week at league. My house pattern is only 39 ft, so when the backend is fresh, there is a lot of movement. I'm usually out of it by frame 4 of game 1.

[@LuisNapoles]

Smart move!

[@petefreezybowling]

Only time I’ll ever throw “urethane” on house is with the uc3. Cause it’s got the asym core so it al least flares and doesn’t carry down like traditional urethane. There’s really just never a need for it unless you purposely want to sabotage someone lol

[@LuisNapoles]

I wouldn't agree with that

[@joeypooschke7914]

I personally do not use urethane in league or even roll it or even have a urethane ball, I usually just use my P2 the whole time. Or maybe bring out the pro motion Belmo. my P2 is the go to all the time first ball out the bag. I’m also not a super high rev player mid 300. Cool video tho. But I also only have 3 balls with me. my spare ball, P2 & pro motion Belmo. And I average 217 In league I bowl in a Friday team league in the PNW with Dave Husted….

[@LuisNapoles]

Nice!

[@leozeggert1916]

I was a year ahead of Dave in High School and played basketball with him. Great guy!

[@edt1cv2]

I could probably get away with throwing my pitch black all 3 games in league since I'm left handed.

[@LuisNapoles]

Oh yea def!

[@notonyourlife7939]

Oh boy, lol... this comment section is gonna be a slugfest. 🤣🤣🤣

[@LuisNapoles]

I'm here for it!

[@slim6088]

I use urethane for spares and if the lanes get dry.the blue hammer is a cheat code for me when the oil isn't heavy.

[@LuisNapoles]

Thats a smart idea!

[@slim6088]

@Luis Napoles yep. I want to replace my blue hammer soon any suggestions on urethane that's good dry boards?

[@SirJoelsuf1]

I see what Luis is trying to do, but that ONLY works if the house shot in question has a lot of friction to the right. If he were to do this at the place I bowl at, the outside would turn into straight up ice. The house I bowl at oils ALL SIXTY FEET from boards 1-5. Granted it's all buff area and nothing but reverse oil but still. You get it out there, you're gonna need a particle ball from the mid 2000s to get that ball to move. Thane would just make that worse. And this is EXACTLY what I face in my league. I don't have the RPMs (300ish) to feed my ball into all that oil. Especially when Thane is being thrown there. Soooo what I usually need to do is do what I call "riding the track." 15 at the arrows, 10 at the break, a lot of ball, a lot of speed, a lot of loft. Most of the time I'll end up throwing it 17 or 18 MPH out there, lofting it to the markers. If I were to go thane at the place I bowl at, I'd need to do what I usually do with my spare ball: Put a lot of surface on it and feed it DIRECTLY up the gutter, hoping that the surface would create some motion. Luis' thane strat would NOT work at the place I bowl at. Could work at other places tho.

[@LuisNapoles]

No you DEF need the friction to the outside!

[@GeeZish]

I throw urethane on house cause i only have 1 purple hammer in my arsenal

[@LuisNapoles]

nice

[@MrMk3love]

Would've gotten a sub if you threw the pitch black lol

[@LuisNapoles]

Ah dam it! haha

[@deonkirk7357]

If it's a 1v1 situation urethanes are ok but if you're in a league you will affect your teamates track.. It's a really split debate.. My proshop guy at my primary alley absolutely despises urethane on a house shot but the proshop guy at my 2nd alley absolutely loves it... I'm a leftie so I could be somewhat immune to the carry down most of the time but I doesn't bother me either way

[@notonyourlife7939]

You're a lefty... it wouldn't bother you if the rest of the field was throwing hand grenades. You'd still have your side all to yourself, lol🤣🤣👍

[@deonkirk7357]

@@notonyourlife7939 😂😂😂 all facts

[@LuisNapoles]

bowling is allllll about adjustments

[@NoSkilljutsu]

I throw thane all the time at my league, old AMF lanes with a whole lotta friction.

[@LuisNapoles]

Thane loves the friction!

[@NoSkilljutsu]

@@LuisNapoles yes indeed it

[@matthewmainhardt8553]

This is some anti fun messaging here. All the poor casuals who dont have arsenals that will be screwed once that carry down takes effect. You ruin it for everyone else. Tourny play? Fine. League where it dont matter, cmon man, you have choices

[@deathsyte2007]

Sanding pads exist. Done

[@tongue_twista7557]

Learn to adjust.

[@matthewmainhardt8553]

swing and a miss you guys on the point of my comment. I'm sure you play in some big money leagues where everyone brings 6 balls and a backpack of equipment. but dont forget, you are the minority. ntm, using urethane on house is obviously inferior so stop being such a try hard and use the right ball for the job.

[@LuisNapoles]

Bowling is all about adjustments and people dont like that urethane makes them adjust in a different way than normal

[@RealFlankenBerry]

I’m just here to see the whiners about urethane.

[@LuisNapoles]

LMAO! Oh they hear!

[@Pfd51ff]

Anyone that complains about urethane on any shot needs to learn how to adjust. P.s. I don’t throw urethane.

[@LuisNapoles]

SAY IT LOUDER FOR THE FOLKS IN THE BACK

[@302efi]

This topic is not going to help you catch Darren Tang at all.. Worst take in today's game at all.

[@LuisNapoles]

😂

[@briguyinsi]

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but there is no reason to use Urethane on House, especially early. Its just not necessary and it creates unwanted carry down here in the North East. Maybe things are different out west, but its kind of frowned upon in the bigger scratch leagues here by me.

[@frozejam789]

sounds like a you and them issue if you cant handle carrydown you arent that good

[@supersentallupinurmouf]

Nah don't be one of those back in my day people, if it isn't against the rules why frown upon it? I dont get how people KNOW what it's doing and can't adjust and just continue blaming the one ball vs the other 9 on the lane

[@Samuel-xs2yv]

I'm in the midwest and it's definitely frowned upon here as well. But it doesn't stop me from using urethane. I don't plan on adjusting my game because other people complain

[@jaywhey8822]

In the South, it is generally frowned upon, and that is why we use it. Some teams just cannot get over the mentality of playing on urethane transition, and end up just making bad shots because of it. Consequently blaming the urethane, instead of simply adjusting. Plus, it's a you vs me sport, if you think it gives me an edge, oh well. Opinions don't win blocks or league. Good shots and adjustments do. As well, we as a team have gotten adjusted to the urethane transition on our house shot.

[@Bowlingpba]

Urethane causes Over/Under here on our "Typical House Shot" because people are tossing It all over the lane. Also If you bowl at a house with less oil at the front of the lane the last ball you want to toss Is a urethane since It hooks so early.

[@JLH_LetsPlay]

I use urethane sometimes and people kinda crack me up when they holler about urethane since back in the day that's all that everybody was using......before technology took over.

[@LuisNapoles]

Just funny how mad people get LOL

[@glenkamida71]

Won't serious bowlers be pissed off? lol I will be ordering Zen U off your link soon.

[@LuisNapoles]

About what?? LOL

[@sethc5661]

Achievement unlocked: Successfully fished for controversy by combining the words "Urethane" and "House." Seriously though, people who get their knickers in a knot over this need to spend more time worrying about their own game and a whole lot less worrying about what other people are doing. I sometimes throw my Fast Pitch on house (used to do so far more). I've seen 240 average bowlers fall apart by the end of the night because they couldn't adjust, and I've had 270+s bowled against me by people that utilized the carry down to their advantage. It doesn't make it better or worse, it makes it different. If you want to just do the exact same thing every week, maybe a competitive game isn't for you.

[@LuisNapoles]

agreed 😂

[@egibs3565]

I don't mind urethane if the person knows what they are doing, it's NOT meant to be hooking the whole lanes which is the issue. People don't understand "hook". They look at the left to right motion when in actuality it's front to back with urethane, it burns up the fronts and if they don't know what they're doing you'll get a lot of wet dry conditions 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@LuisNapoles]

Yea I dont love the slow hook urethane haha

[@Brian_B300]

Never. Cuz I love my teammates and can’t win without them

[@LuisNapoles]

What dos loving your teammates have anything to do with anything? lol

[@Brian_B300]

@@LuisNapoles well, pretty much everything. Never heard of a singles league

[@alexanderbreen4010]

Hey Louis, drill a fresh UC3, thank me later

[@LuisNapoles]

Yea I need to! I haven't in a while!

[@bronxbowler6911]

If I do it not often… you lose the shot after a game.

[@LuisNapoles]

Thats not true LOL

[@bronxbowler6911]

@@LuisNapoles I can only speak for myself… I will leave 7-8-9-10 after a game of using it. Doesn’t seem to carry after 15 times down the lane

[@jpgunny101]

Sorry Luis but I’m one of those guys who dislikes urethane altogether. It creates unnecessary carry down and it destroys the pattern you’re playing. If you’re playing a 1v1 match like a bracket format in PBA then I guess I can understand using it. But honestly it’s a cheap placebo effect. Personally I don’t like urethane and it has no significant benefit, but you only think it does.

[@LuisNapoles]

Saying you dont like urethane is like saying you dont like a tool in your garage. You may not always use this tool but when you NEED it you'll be sad you dont have it

[@jpgunny101]

@@LuisNapoles never needed it. Sorry it’s a tool that I will never need to use.

[@stormb28]

Funny how the “adjust to urethane” argument is thrown out here. When the fact of the matter is people using urethane refuse to adjust from moving their feet off the big dot and looking at the second triangle. This allows them to hit up on it, elbow it and throw it over their left toe.

[@LuisNapoles]

Except im not doing any of those things 😂

[@ixDARIONxi]

Urethane isn’t necessary on a house shot at all. You’ll get ridiculed for even attempting to use it. Ruin the lane for your teammates and create carry down which isn’t gonna help anyone.

[@LuisNapoles]

Urethane doesnt cause carry down. The ball not absorbing oil and not wiping it off will cause carry down, Also balls that flare REALLY little will cause carry down. A short pin !Q Tour will carry down way more oil than the two balls in this video

[@stormb28]

This is incredibly misleading and ignorant.

[@rebootnut]

Can you elaborate?

[@deathsyte2007]

So what truth not opinion can you provide louis wrong?

[@notonyourlife7939]

Do tell...

[@stormb28]

@@deathsyte2007 ok smart guy, go To any other bowling KZbinr and ask them if “urethane is good is on house” lmk what they say.

[@notonyourlife7939]

@@stormb28 lol... I'll preface this by saying that I happen to believe that urethane on a house shot is wildly unnecessary for 99.97% of Joe Average bowlers. That being said, when somebody asks for facts rather than blanket statements of opinion, and you respond by citing somebody else's opinions, you're not exactly helping your own cause. In fact, all you've done is ensure that this retarded "tastes great/less filling" argument will continue to go around in circles.