Use This For Analog sounding Masters Abbey Road TG Mastering Chain - Waves Mastering Plugins

[@Unders]

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[@keithdunwoody1302]

This is one of my favorite plugins. Warms my heart to see it getting a lot of love and not ridiculed as a gimmick. Say what you will about Waves marketing strategy, but this plug is fantastic, used in subtle amounts, or even not so subtle. I always slide the Filter section over to precede the Tone. I love the different Limiter options. The spreader sounds lovely at the tiniest settings.

[@Tazmanian_Ninja]

Having worked extensively with this plugin for some months now, I've found out that an absolutely crucial thing, is to feed it a 0 VU signal, aka -18 db. Else the compressor will "distort" and sound overfed, because... well... it is! For this compressor to pump in the most beautiful, musical way: ensure much lower gain.

[@Unders]

Meant to say thanks for pointing this out. And also pinned 👍

[@jjwhittle8873]

I'm feeding it a -18 signal and i can't get it anywhere near the same loudness you can achieve with, say, Ozone without clipping and distortion. How do you counter that??

[@SimonTebbenhamMusic]

@@jjwhittle8873 The limiter isn't brick wall - put a Waves L2 in the chain afterwards and that gets you the loudness - this mastering plugin itself doesn't actually do that.

[@jjwhittle8873]

@@SimonTebbenhamMusic Ah right. So not *really* a mastering plugin in its own right then? More of a mixing one.

[@SimonTebbenhamMusic]

@@jjwhittle8873 sort of.... I'm not an expert at all so don't take my word for it! But I feel it's incomplete without a total finished product limiter like the L2! I got them both on Black Friday so my 2bus is complete for me :) - Personally I think the Mastering is great, much more than mixing with the ability to treat the mids and sides seperately. If I was a total pro at the mixing stage maybe this wouldnt be so dazzling, but combined with the L2, it takes my tracks another notch closer to proper respectable masters.

[@Songwriter376]

By far the best video on this plug in I have found. Was on the fence but I will now purchase it. Thank you.

[@Unders]

Glad it was helpful!

[@tomkent4656]

I was recently handed a wav file derived from a quarter inch analog tape. It sounded terrible and I realised that the original tape track had been recorded using the NAB eq curve, but dubbed to digital using the IEC playback curve, which of course produced an eq mismatch. I was able to sort out the sound by using the Tape EQ control on the TG mastering software.

[@Unders]

Thats awesome! so was it a perfect null of the effect? Im also surprise someone with the patience to bounce to tape didn't check.

[@DavidDiMuzio]

Great look through man. Appreciate it. Was really interested in this plugin. Does sound warmer. Not sure if the difference is enough for me to want to buy the plugin though. Have you done a video like this on the Chamber? That plugin most interested me from the Abbey Road collection. Which is your favorite from the collection. Also, curious ...do you prefer the Scheps channel over this?

[@Unders]

Thanks. Here the chambers video Waves Reverb - Waves Abbey Road Chambers kzbin.info/www/bejne/eWrXaKWIrZ2il7s It’s too early to prefer the Scheps plugin but they are pretty different also. I love the J37 I use it on most tracks somewhere

[@Unders]

Thanks for watching! What do you guys think of the TG M plugin then?

[@jamalcole1985]

This is nice, but ill stick to waves: Lin phase eq, h-comp, s1 imager , dorrough & paz analyzer maxim limiter & fabfilter pro eq

[@Unders]

Whatever works for you. 👍

[@warringtonruncorn]

Interesting, but it does lose so much in the top end. That extra harmonic boost with the rounded off top end does give it a certain retro sound though.

[@Unders]

Yeah I can see this being super useful for more traditional bands. I think il be experimenting with it on the bass bus for what I do

[@lukehart1642]

Yeah I really like it!!! It won't replace my mastering chain but it has defiantly become part of it now. Thanks for the detailed analysis it was extremely helpful. Cheers!

[@danielmesanunez]

Muchas gracias!

[@Unders]

You’re welcome

[@mbf6160]

Is this a must have plugin

[@Unders]

Gotta say for what i do im not using it on everything, But when i want to give something that "Feel" it makes it.

[@paulrucker1889]

Thanks for the walk-through. I purchased several hours ago and am still exploring. Loving it so far. The ratio control isn't really too radical. Here is the manual's description: Ratio Sets a ratio to the VCA input/output curve. For example, if for a certain point on the VCA curve an input of -12 dBFS will result in an output of -24 dBFS at 100 ratio, then at 50 ratio the same input of -12 dBFS will result in -18 dBFS. Range: 1-100 Default: 50

[@Unders]

Huh so it’s not a true ratio. Thanks

[@AtelierMarsViolet]

@@Unders As in the original TG consoles, the compressor is 2:1, and the limiter is 7:1.

[@Racingheartrecords]

I expect that this plugin has real world value in the mastering process. I appreciate your showcasing of the various features. I'm thinking it could be fun to use on individual channels, and I don't feel educated enough in mastering to be able to apply this plugin to its full capacity on the master bus. I have the sense that it demands a restrained, deliberate, and educated engineer. It seems designed for a particular workflow or ideology. I'd like to learn more about that.

[@Unders]

I refer to plugin like this as “flavour plugins” they are like adding seasoning to a dish. Not enough an nobody will care while to too much will easily ruin it. I’d love to suggest a magic process but it all comes with your choices and if you will, other ingredients. On top of that taste changes with time 🤔 Thanks for watching

[@riloh58]

Just installed the demo for testing. Very well presented intro to this plug, thank you. Had been writing it off as something I didn't need (which is probably true) but this video has made me reconsider and given that Waves very generously offer trials for their products, why not.

[@Unders]

It’s 100% not a need. But it’s definitely a nice to have for the intro price

[@Tomsdrawings]

That was a very useful video, man! Thanks a lot, now I understand. Thank you for all the pro work and for sharing your knowledge.

[@Unders]

Thank you for watching and taking a moment to comment.

[@terrymerrick5617]

That was a very comprehensive tutorial thanks is there anyway to attenuate the meters to give a lower meter reading , to address the meters constantly being in the red thanks again

[@Unders]

First section input control. My mix is quite hoot peaking around -2dB so I should have reduced the input slightly before using EQ

[@terrymerrick5617]

thanks for that

[@omrr387]

this sounds amazing

[@Unders]

One of the Waves tools ive had to keep around.

[@varibeataudio5115]

About the Tape EQ. Here is the explanation from the manual: Tape Equalizer Applies a filter to flatten out the frequency spectrum. Originally, in the hardware domain, this was done when playing back the track from NAB or IEC tape machines at either 7.5 or 15 ips, in order to provide the equalization required for playing NAB-equalized tape on an IEC machine and vice versa. In your digital mixes, you will not need to use this control for that historic purpose. We have decided to keep this control, however, due to its great sonic character, and you may find that it gives your tracks interesting sonic characteristics. Options: NAB-to-IEC: 7.5 ips and 15 ips IEC-to-NAB: 15 ips and 7.5 ips Default: Flat

[@Unders]

Thanks for posting . I don’t believe I got any of that wrong. But it might help someone wanting a more in-depth look

[@varibeataudio5115]

Just seemed to be a little unclear and it is not about mastering for tape, but the playback conversion between two specific tape machines.

[@jaymo83]

I wonder if the tape eq would work well in conjunction with the j37 tape machine plugin for mastering

[@Unders]

Not the same thing but as an effect probably as the J37 will effectively compress the change

[@craigaber6]

Can you recommend what reading the meter should be reading ? I seem to keep going in the read and have no idea what industry standard master levels should read. Cheers great tutorial vid. Craig

[@Unders]

I don’t have a video to recommend. But understanding “Gain staging” and VU meters will help with that. Personally I don’t worry. As long as it sounds good. But I’ve got some habits over time that help.

[@craigjohndavidson-music5253]

cool man I just want the whole record I'm producing to be all at the same master level. I've got the Slate digital mastering tool so might use that to gauge the RMS etc as I'm not familiar with the abbey road meters.

[@AveMcree]

Great video!!!!

[@Unders]

Thanks for watching

[@Darksagan]

He brought me here. lol

[@jadesiress3382]

Greetings, tape should add some analog flavour to the signal. Learned about it from Lu Diaz. I like your video by the way, good refresher and honest teaching for newer producers.

[@Unders]

This is not tape emulation. But is designed to have tape signal into it. Thanks for watching.

[@jadesiress3382]

@@Unders Thank you for your response!

[@Unders]

Hey an thank you for watching 😊

[@Tazmanian_Ninja]

That recurring violin'ish tone thing is slightly too loud in the mix, IMO. But thanks for a good walk-through, Unders. Best I've come across.

[@Unders]

glad it was helpful.

[@wilingadj4370]

HI there.I just purchased this plugins and it does not show the big ON and OFF start button at the very top left corner of the plugin you are using and this also happened with another plugin I bought from WAVES. The other one is Tune Real Time so can you please help me out about how to get the big button on display please.

[@Unders]

That is how Logic hosts plugins. If you do not see it, on the right of the black bar at the top there is a small grey tab, click it.

[@whisperthiefmusic]

Just got this last night and it's on a drum bus already. Quick and easy to dial in for major muppets like me.

[@elgamerico]

Great review and an awesome plug in. I've been lucky to have recorded a few times at Abbey Road, and had some tracks master there. An old friend is one of the heads of audio and he;'s featured in one of the Waves A.R videos :) But I know from when he's worked on the Native instruments stuff, how much effort they go into recreating the sound. Awesome stuff !!

[@Unders]

That’s awesome. What’s the artist an track names. Don’t link as KZbin will bury it in spam. A huge amount goes into making them yes 😊

[@bunyaadi]

I like j37 on the master chain however you have to be careful about noise being introduced and Amplified on the mix chain. Need to try this out sometime.

[@Unders]

best to put noisey plugs late in the chain after things like compression and even boost EQ. Assuming they dont have a noise control, many plugins do so il just dip that away.

[@bunyaadi]

@@Unders I never really noticed any noise until quiet passages. In a way I was trying to create analogue imperfection although sometimes overlooked introducing noise when raising the final volume.

[@Unders]

Just as important to check things louder as it is quieter. Il often “master” a track in the mix so I have a good idea of where it’s at. You can just hammer a limiter by a few dB to test before bouncing too

[@TzoHill]

Shall I get the Abbey Road TG Mastering Chain or the SSL G-Master Buss Compressor solely for Mastering. Can anyone help please?

[@Unders]

100% depends on what you want. I personally use Gbus far more than TG. But sometimes TG has exactly the flavour I’m after.

[@TzoHill]

@@Unders Yeah it's mainly used for mixing rap and hip-hop vocals to a WAV beat?

[@quiggycarboncat4280]

Very nice... clear and concise.

[@Unders]

Thanks for watching

[@sda5150]

Great vid! And I finally understand mid side processing now! Cheers!

[@Unders]

glad to have helped, :)

[@rubik3511]

I love the tune idea, is it released? Regarding the plugin, tape mode drastically affects the high frequencies. My choice here would be the 7.5ips followed by a slight boost at the very top end (15k ish) for some air. Nevertheless, it's a great track :)

[@Unders]

I’ve found since it’s nice to run something like VTM or J37 pre into this. An the track is out. You can see the video here kzbin.info/www/bejne/pInEemSrmLyBbck If you enjoy it a follow on some place like Spotify would mean a lot 😊 thanks

[@tristianobrien5114]

very informative great demo well done

[@Unders]

Thanks for watching

[@davidwood1709]

So, for someone like me who doesn't have any mastering experience, would this be a good tool to start creating masters?

[@Unders]

No. With the caveat that it would be a great tool to add some serious character, But a detailed "modern" mastering tool it is not, So for fixing many problem an some of the creative voodoo it's just not that tool. Now having said that if you are doing acoustic rock or something down that line it could help you dial into that "vintage sound"

[@davidwood1709]

@@Unders Thanks! Any suggestions then as to what tools *would* be good for someone in my situation?

[@Unders]

Lurssen is probably one of the nicest ones with limited tweaking. kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z5TNqKiFgayIp9k One up from there Ozone Elements. Which has or had a good deal recently. I did my top 10 last year, might help. kzbin.info/www/bejne/i3-pl4GVr96ela8

[@garycrant4511]

So... are the presets good enough for quickly polishing up a demo, or even a final late for deadline result...???

[@Unders]

It all depends on your mix

[@musician1971a]

@nmon1 don't be an ass. He rightfully said it depends on the mix, mostly the quality of it. You can make great masters with thus plugin, but if the mix has issues you probably can't get a radio ready master with this plugin alone.

[@Unders]

Hence he will never get a response 🤷‍♂️ thanks for watching dude.

[@Unders]

Goodbye

[@Unders]

@nmon1 removed that dude an his awful attitude

[@fgustafson2243]

Except for the TG12411 and some extra features this plugin is not that new. In 2005 Abbey Road them selves released the pluginsTG12413, TG12414 and TG12412. The package costed approx $ 390,- back then. Unfortunately they discontinued the products in 2013 for god knows which reason. Of cause I am so happy to see what Waves did to this concept and I'm definitely gonna purcahse them as I purchased the old models. :) :)

[@Unders]

I remember them. I had the RTAS version for ProTools. The way in which plug-ins are emulated and designed has changed considerably. Unfortunately we can’t compare the two together but for example look at UAD and how they are having to redo some of the legacy plug-ins

[@GraemeWoller]

I still use the Abbey Road RS124 on my 2bus for every mix, that thing is just smoothness incarnate! If love to see it picked up and brought back to life by Waves. 64bit would be handy, for a start.

[@Unders]

The way that they are going it wouldn’t surprise me. Not this year though

[@thlgnd]

Wouldn't be surprised if Waves made it for them in the first place.

[@Unders]

I think 🤔 I remember them being softube

[@photicsonar]

What a fantastic Review! Super well done 👍

[@Unders]

Thanks for watching. Hope you got something useful from it.

[@alsstudiocreative2102]

Thank you for sharing. On the meters, do they give a RMS or peak reading?

[@alsstudiocreative2102]

It's ok. I watched the clip again. It reads peak.

[@Unders]

Sorry I should have covered that in more detail but the video was already running long

[@olajideparis]

Great video man!

[@Unders]

Thank you for watching

[@Unders]

Do you have any more libraries coming out in 2019? im building up a video list already :)

[@slademcbride3225]

Great track

[@Unders]

Thank I appreciate that, it will be out next year. Been filming a video for it :) If you enjoyed that you might like my last album also - itunes.apple.com/gb/album/lessons-learned/1227331679

[@DishesStitches]

Great video, great content.

[@Unders]

thanks for watching and taking a moment to comment.

[@jonnyainscough6522]

Legend mate

[@Unders]

Thanks for subscribing and I’m glad you got something from the video

[@jonnyainscough6522]

Unders I have one more question, I want to buy either the ssl bundle from waves or the abbey road bundle, which one will be more helpful for mixing/mastering?

[@Unders]

For mixing and mastering. Gold bundle. If you want loads of character Abbey Road.

[@kylebronsdon]

Just recently discovered the NLS, and I'd be SUPER interested to see what you find working with them together.

[@GraemeWoller]

There's certainly something fun happening with the NLS. I use it on my busses and 2 bus and really love the extra body it seems to give everything.

[@ericleguenan9332]

never use presets, do you ask sound ingénieurs to mix a song without listening it?

[@Unders]

This makes no sense in context to what we’re talking about

[@barryblitzuk]

I appreciated the deeper dive into the functionality. I need to do some mastering on some archive mixes, never released and was looking at this bit of kit. I did have to stop watching during the A/B section because I found the loop really irritating. The song was okay for a few seconds but by 2 mins more I could no longer listen.

[@Unders]

There’s not much I can do about your tastes in music for an A/B 🤷‍♂️ It’s a great plugin with a nice character but for anything modern distribution wise it need to be paired up with a more precise dynamics process and EQ.

[@barryblitzuk]

@@Unders Really appreciate the response and the advice. Will keep that in mind. I made the purchase - at the sale price with the discount it's certainly cheap enough to have a play with. And I think I'd probably like the whole tune but something about that loop for me... I know it's subjective and never easy to choose something everyone will vibe with. Will check out more videos though mate. Keep it up!

[@Unders]

That’s the winning outlook ❤️ have fun creating

[@Amsoily]

Nice upload. Think you would be pleased if you got TG M sounding where you like it then slap a J37 after it. :) * just read your reply to David, guessing you're already on it. * cheers

[@Unders]

Almost certain to happen 😊 thanks for watching

[@pvalenti]

Thanks for showing me what this can do! I have downloaded the demo. But the UI doesn't work properly (you can't adjust the modules...all are greyed out except the output module) and it doesn't come with the meter section. Probably not the best way to present a Demo of a new product that you want people to actually buy. Still...I see the usefulness and will keep an eye out for a $29 sale.

[@Unders]

Just replied to your other comment regarding this 👍 cheers for watching

[@JayTheLane]

Formative Unders.

[@Gioribbonmicrophones]

thanks !

[@Unders]

You’re welcome

[@audleyberkley]

Press play please

[@Unders]

Or READ where it says to skip to if you just want audio demos?

[@quiggycarboncat4280]

You're welcome

[@_patrikjay_]

BRILL!

[@Unders]

Thanks for watching

[@toolondaboards]

Waves is releasing the same plugins with new GUIs.

[@Unders]

Care to elaborate on what you’re claiming?

[@toolondaboards]

Unders no

[@Unders]

👌👋

[@dedyvideo]

Well, The sound of the mix after going though the TG is way worse imo, i might use it on some channels but not on the final mix this is not the right tool for mastering, way to dirty ( again imo ) way to harsh

[@Unders]

Thanks for watching

[@musician1971a]

Which is of course why at Abbey Road they still master on it on a daily basis.

[@erestube]

He had the presence pegged. It was too tinny. But I've got this plug and it does wonders to make home studio stuff sound much better. I went through a Waves stage, had most of them, and got rid of most of them. But this is one I'll keep for a long time.

[@Unders]

I’m finding the Abbey plugins to be some of the go to ones for getting a “feel” while Omni Chan and now CLA chan for character mixing on certain things. If I’m doing DnB though only really keys and samples get touched this way. Everything else need to remain sharp

[@BluntforceJ]

the thumbnail got me triggered... nice plugin tho

[@Unders]

Then it worked perfectly 😆

[@BlackenedNL]

Melodyne / Autotune that vocal a little bit man for a more professional sounding track

[@Unders]

👌

[@adivaio]

Come on man... It's not the same as mastering with a TG desk. Illusions, all that it is

[@Unders]

Hey if you don’t believe in what it dose or doesn’t sound or work like. Don’t buy don’t use it. I’m just going with how I feel never telling you how to feel about it.

[@adivaio]

@@Unders Still an illusion, no doubt about your feelings!

[@Unders]

The effect of something creating a feeling is everything but an illusion. That’s in fact a result when we’re talking about creative work.

[@adivaio]

@@Unders Well, don't get to personal on this matter. The illusion is not what you feel but the fact that you get a TG desk sound.

[@adivaio]

@@Unders And still, I do appreciate your opinions!

[@bluematrix5001]

did not like it!! hyped ....

[@Unders]

What is it you dislike?

[@bluematrix5001]

sounds mushy.... I prefer waves when do all original plugins...not so much their emulations...

[@joaodasilva6371]

my god, stop playing loops, and your mix sound better without this plugin

[@Unders]

Thanks for your input

[@bjharvey3021]

y a w n. waves have given up being innovative.

[@Unders]

You innovated with that comment though 👍

[@Unders]

People seem to forget that waves created the first ever plugin “Q10”