Used Cybertrucks & unsold EVs: Reality hits the car market in 2024!

After a month on the road, MotoMan presents trends of the car market from around the US. Starting with a number of used Tesla Cybertrucks on franchised dealer lots to an alarming number of unsold new EVs at those same lots. More importantly, he dissects which brands of electric cars are selling and not selling based on multiple data sources.
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[@AutoEnthusiastJC]

10:04 TFL is out of touch these days. Roman thinks $50,000+ should be normal. In his words, “It’s not 2019 anymore guys!” Meanwhile, most of us haven’t gotten a pay increase. Downplaying the inflation of the past few years is stupid.

[@Userxxx840]

$24,000 got me a mid-trim Camry back in 2020. Now a base model is almost $30k.

[@LordBass]

My conspiracy theory is that Andre is paid for every utterance of "TNGA-F".

[@ashishpatel350]

should have nothing to do with pay increase. there is a market for a 25k electric car. people even with money dont want to waste 50k on a car that has zero value

[@NomenClature-o8s]

When did Roman say $50k should be normal?

[@Nordestada]

@@ashishpatel350, the problem with used electric cars is that for people on a tight budget, the fear and possibility of having to replace the expensive battery that cost as much as a nice used ICE vehicle, is real. Electric cars as of right now are for people with disposable income, and as long as the sells of EVs continue to decline that is not going to change. Roman and his clan see the world through eyes I don't have. I am happy for them and appreciate the entertainment they provide and I watch, but their reality is not mine.

[@ReconMan8654]

CyberTruck to Pontiac Aztek; “Hold my beer!” 🔥🛻🔥

[@crimsondecade7420]

My reservation was about 950k in line and I received my invite to order for August delivery . I am not ordering at that price but the point is they have gone through 1 million reservation holders and have only found about 10K people willing to pay the price .

[@JamesMcGillis]

I'm here in Southern California, and I look at every vehicle I can see while driving. So far, I have seen less than ten Cybertrucks on the road. When I have seen 100 or 1,000, will I still care? I doubt it.

[@kenth151]

I saw a poll that just came out and a lot of people now do not want an EV. PHEV's or Hybrids .. yes but not a EV.

[@stanwbaker]

It's not that EVs make up to much of the product mix. It's that GM assumed people were desperate for $70k circus wagons.

[@DavidSimpsonJr973]

GM it's a reoccurring big three strategy. They go all in on strategies with little diversification until it's too I'm late then the market changed again. Very little foresight on potential market trends

[@itsatrap7215]

Have you seen the data on the pickup trucks the past year? Anything over $60K is sitting on lots. Ford, GM, Stellantis have over 100 days of inventory sitting on lots that no one is buying. There are some 2022 Jeep/RAM's on lots still new and never sold.

[@Bum_Hip]

GM EV’s start at about 30k. That’s a far cry from a “70k circus wagon.”

[@stanwbaker]

@@Bum_Hip Good luck finding an Equinox-EV you can drive off the lot for under 50k.

[@Bum_Hip]

@@stanwbaker for fun, let’s say you’re right… please tell me, is 50k more or less than 70k?

[@aroundomaha]

I am not an EV hater but the reality is that they do not fit my life very well.

[@anaveragehuman2937]

Great golf carts to get groceries and charge at home.

[@hwirtwirt4500]

The build quality (Cybertruck) is the worst I've ever seen, the owners are going to regret they dumped $100K on this nightmare.

[@TahoeKing]

US cars market is going down in a crazy rate, REPOs are also up in an alarming way. People can't pay the inflated prices anymore! It's about time cars manufacturers wise up and take those illogical prices down or suffer the consequences

[@MotoManTV]

A bit behind the scenes . . . Have been digging for real numbers on repo rates, percent of cars financed v leased, how much financed, etc in order to do a more in depth discussion on this topic.

[@TahoeKing]

​@@MotoManTV I suggest contacting a KZbin channel called CarEdge. Ray and Zack have huge data about this issue. Believe me it's very alarming

[@TonyGoff-Yu]

Super interesting, but some cutaways to the cars you're talking about would help. I had no idea what the Lyriq looked like 😂

[@jfdoherty3448]

Was just going to say the same thing… So while he was talking, I had a Google Cadillac lyric - I watch a quite a lot of car review videos, including the lyric. I just couldn’t remember what it looked like.

[@scruffy4647]

We bought a 2023 Chevy Bolt EUV. Out the door price with tax credit applied was $28k. Our intention is to use it as a commuter car and not a road trip car. We live in a home and are able to charge it there and not rely on public charging. Our Bolt is a fantastic car. Very satisfied with our purchase. The good thing is, lots of ICE & electric choices available.

[@user-qc7dr3cd3q]

But you supporting EV will lead to the elimination of ICE and future road trips will be a nightmare for all.

[@marcelstanford430]

Great episode. Thank you. Hybrids and plug-in hybrids were always the logical choice between ICE and full EV simply because of the lack of charging infrastructure. Most people live in cities and drive less than 30 miles a day. If you live in a house a plug-in is the perfect solution. Tom Voelk would agree.

[@anydaynow01]

All of us who have PHEVs at work couldn't agree more since we can all charge daily at home. No need to hoard batteries for the extremely rare occasion I drive past the battery's range. Maybe 10% of the km I put on the car have been on the range extender, and nearly all of those are on road trips, same story with the dozen or so other PHEV owners I know. And with only 15k km on the range extender maintenance is nearly non-existent over the seven or so years I've owned it. I can count on one hand how many times I have had to change the oil (I actually test it and use Red Line oils), and the water pump belt still looks brand new, not even any dry rot cracks in it like I get with my pickup from disuse. Spark plugs are iridium so they are good for over 100k km, same with the timing chain.

[@lukewalker1051]

Hybrids are a pitiful alternative to ICE, gas only vehicles. A redundant aka dual powertrain vehicle....what a hybrid is...and the 100 computers to allow synergistic power delivery between two radically different powertrains, A profound waste of money and natural resources not to mention a Li-Ion battery in every vehicle which further disparages the planet creating such an environmental hazard nobody knows how to recycle efficiently. Consumer fuel savings pale to overall cost to manufacture a hybrid vehicle and long term maintenance and depreciation aren't close to worth it for the consumer but of course, above would require education which the public sourly lacks.

[@dennwilliams3342]

Cyber trucks are on dealership lots cause it brings in customers. It’s on a Porsche dealership people look , say wow then go right back to their Cayman order 😂😂

[@htimmermans1938]

The cybertruck is a liability

[@lukewalker1051]

A gimmick and missed step of perhaps the smartest man in America, Elon Musk.

[@Pamlicojdjdj1487]

@@lukewalker1051He is a smart businessman and charlatan.

[@component9008]

@@lukewalker1051Elon Musk is not smart.

[@Bum_Hip]

@@lukewalker1051smartest man in America 😂

[@lattelandlatteland]

It isn't a surprise that it looks like cybertrucks aren't a big hit. There have been many reports already about getting one way down in the order book. I'm sure some people love them. And extra high early model prices, and prices coming down after initial models, and lower range are not helping things

[@BCNeil]

Whenever I see someone with a Mach-E. I chuckle to myself.

[@cbotten106]

I laugh openly, (yes I do seem a bit nuts) and always call them "Mock Me" because, well, it fits. It sure ain't a Mustang.

[@pan4632]

GM's Ultium disaster will be a business case study for generations to come

[@tuomasholo]

I am laughing watching the used cybertruck inventory grow on dealer lots. They’re trading them in or selling to dealers.

[@zoner__]

Not many 4 year old's can afford one.

[@aurorajones8481]

You should have cuts of the car you speak about. I know your audience knows but still we like to look at what you talk about. The Supra is nice but give me cuts. 8:13 perfect example. Cut to some knobs and vents on the car then back... WHAT I'm helping. Love the show. 😘

[@CACressida]

I see CT everyday since they've been let out into the wild and it still hasnt grown on me thats how comically ugly it is.

[@mikej238]

Toyota sales will be 60% hybrid in 24 months. People are still waiting up to a year for a Toyota hybrid in some markets.

[@Fluterra]

Just leased a brand new well specced EQS450 SUV for 30% off MSRP and 2.5%. Hope no one is paying sticker!

[@guylarabie8229]

The reason GM and FORD EVs aren't selling is that they do not have compelling vehicles. Less power, range, durability, etc. Also, dealers add on useless add ons.

[@povertyspec9651]

Tesla wasted billions developing, and setting up an assembly line for the Cybertruck.

[@mondvogel6124]

"blob on wheels" actually describes any mercedes ever....

[@loseerich493]

Extra cost up front, big depreciation, & 20% increased insurance premiums for EV are big enough reasons to say 'hard-pass'. Then there's the 500lb gorilla in the roof if that's not enough.... lack of range (exacerbated by local climates can be way worse than advertised short legs). At least with say, a German ICE car you could expect that with some maintenance the car could still quasi-reasonably be on the road 20-25 years down the line. How many 2024 model EVs will be on the road 20 years from now vs 2024 ICE cars? For the average Joe-bag-of-donuts consumer the #s do not add up to choosing an EV.

[@aurorajones8481]

16:67 To your point here... its why we are seeing the M5 wagon, its why we have the RS6 Avant, and its why we haaaaaad the E63 Wagon. Wagons don't sell but they do sell if you hot rod them out but doing that German style means big money = small market which is why it all fits. Its a product that hits the boxes and its why we see it still when we don't see traditional wagons anymore.

[@Jazzmaster71]

Who on their right mind buys a CT? That vehicle represents everything that is wrong with the automotive industry today.

[@zoner__]

People who have terrible automotive taste. Former Aztek owners

[@NomenClature-o8s]

People who desperately need to draw attention to themselves.

[@SandiKlein]

My aunt, the convid zealot, called me f-ing stupid for not taking a jab, doing her part for the environment lol, justice.

[@drewyager4020]

I saw four Lyric’s in a row yesterday in Bellevue WA. Looked like a dealer move. All different colors. They did look big

[@seattimetv]

It’s flippers trying to make a profit and the market is calming down now. By the end of the summer the “Foundation Series” will end and regular production and regular prices >$20K will start. I have one on order and I will happily wait for the prices to go down. I have two Teslas already and I know the game.

[@joenavarro2973]

Exactly 💯 percent correct, Tesla is taking the profit instead of the flippers

[@Japplesnap]

I wouldn't mind having an EV, but only as a commuter car or to run errands around town. But I'd also have to own a real car that can function easily to do real driving.

[@costaricasurf66]

Can’t believe you didn’t mention many people put deposits down on cybertruck with intention of flipping. People are flipping them for a profit and dealers are using them as a prop to get people to stop by. The dealer will pay over value and use it as a loss leader to increase the overall sales. I’m not fan of the cybertruck but the tech is great. Ie 48 volt architecture and steer by wire.

[@MotoManTV]

Valid point, but I can't speak intelligently to that as no one has real numbers in which to draw from. Yes, I do this in the Porsche world as well as some other low volume, high performance German car worlds, but there I have insight from local dealers, the OEM and YEARS of a very healthy secondary market. Hell, it helped create the online automotive auction market.

[@Stinger430]

Totally agree with your take on the Cybertruck's design.....Unfinished.

[@aurorajones8481]

15:20 The Mercedes EQ line is butt ugly because they designed the cars for the Chinese market first which is contrary to how its done in the past with the US market as the primary pull for design. The Chinese value all that crap and we don't. I could have told you this at launch but I'm just one man...

[@chaoskid1211]

Bravo sir.

[@lukewalker1051]

What are you missing since you asked? Let's put it this way. As an automotive engineer that knows way more about EV architecture than any youtube 'influencer', you are mixing way too many metaphors if you want a cohesive message. Gasoline has 100 x's the energy density of a Lithium-Ion battery with current technology. A 1000+ lb Tesla 3 series battery does not scale to a 150 lb gas tank full of gas for any correlation in vehicle range whereby you have to wait in line 40 minutes to charge if you can even find an unoccupied charger out on the road. EV's cost more than gas car's. They depreciate more. And drum roll, they aren't more green. Tell it to 3rd world kids in slave labor in the Congo strip mining the land for cobalt in Li-Ion EV batteries with their life expectancy cut short. Electricity isn't provided by the tooth fairy. 70% of all electricity is derived by fossil fuel and coal. EV's are heavy due to afore mentioned battery to gasoline weight difference. The public is utterly clueless about EV's, climate and even green technology as they don't understand thermodynamics from the man on the moon. So, yes, the public is slow to catch on but the narrative is slowly getting out there to even Joe six pack. Is EV tech intransigent forever? No. Vinyl records, begot cassette tape players which were replaced by CD's which were replaced by digital sound stored on digital memory devices which now most people stream through a satellite. Technology moves forward and in fact exponentially based upon Moore's law. Battery tech will change, bending the arc of EV demand. But not in the imminent future. Society is in the stone age of EV technology just like gasoline cars were in the 1800's. And lastly, a quick history lesson. Electric cars came before gas cars. The first crude electric carriages were invented in the late 1820s and 1830s. Practical, commercially available electric vehicles appeared during the 1890s. On the other hand, the first gasoline-powered automobile, designed by Karl Benz, was developed in 1885 and received a patent in 1862. Therefore, electric cars predate gas cars by several decades. Why EV's gaining traction now due to the elephant in the room aka energy density deficit compared to gas car's? The advancement of Li-Ion battery technology narrowing the gap of energy storage. A long way to go.

[@1225KPH]

What? For George, it's always been about hearing himself talk. Being cohesive has never been on his agenda.

[@David_Journey]

You are ignoring LFP battery chemistry which may mean no need to do business with Congo.

[@kylem324]

@@David_JourneyHe’s not ignoring. His point is that it is incremental as an advancement in battery tech. Sure, it doesn’t contain cobalt, but it doesn’t have the energy density or other properties that will optimize batteries for EVs. That will require further advancements in battery chem/tech/commercialization. Possibly that’s solid state.

[@joebloggs4191]

@@David_Journey I’ve heard that before!

[@lukewalker1051]

@@kylem324 Thanks for explaining the point.

[@aurorajones8481]

I ride a Ducati, daily. When i see these Cyber truck things ill stand up and fart on the truck in traffic. Or at least make the gesture. My point is i don't think that truck garners positive attention. I think its the opposite. The ppl who buy i think they will be ooo'd and awww'd instead its assssss and ewwww. I seriously think the negative attention is palpable.

[@aurorajones8481]

Or is it just me?

[@NomenClature-o8s]

I can’t stand up and fart on the truck in traffic. I would if I could. I just look at the douchebag driving it and feel affirmed in my opinion.

[@steady747]

Wow you ride a Ducati? You must be the coolest guy ever lol

[@NomenClature-o8s]

@@aurorajones8481 I would do the same thing. I can’t figure how to get my butt out the drivers window.

[@SandiKlein]

@@steady747does Aurora sound like a guy to you? Lol

[@michaelhatfield5808]

I feel like the government and manufacturers thought consumers would flock to EVs in droves. The only problem is that they are severely unaffordable unless you finance into oblivion, but current interest rates are preventing most from doing so. If you are a cash buyer you wouldn’t want to be stuck with a rapidly depreciating asset. I think automakers are finally beginning to realize we need more affordable vehicles like the stalwart Camry moving forward.

[@dzeng]

Great video. Thank you. Manufacturers and dealerships need a reality check.

[@MotoManTV]

My pleasure!

[@corpnupe85]

I took my 2018 Cadillac Escalade into the dealer in Smyrna, GA for an oil change. There were at least 30 to 40 Cadillac Lyriq models on the lot. Per my Service Advisor, there are a lot of electrical issues with the vehicle. I told him that I was interested in one. He told me stay away from the Lyriq for now.

[@timothyburnside3229]

Great episode, a couple of more things, inflation is in the real world is 20 plus percent and dealers sold cars way over sticker and burned bridges with many customers! Insurance cost is gone through the roof, my truck insurance went up $500 per year and that was with me writing a check for year in advance! Thank you for telling the truth, they jumped out way too far on all electric market and now they are paying a hefty price!!!

[@MotoManTV]

Very good point on inflation. A topic we are going to touch upon in a couple of future episodes - one of which is coming soon. 'Living with a Mustang'. I know that sounds odd 'Fords and Inflation', but the case study is probably the most telling about car ownership.

[@Machoukas]

Why are you talking about EV's & the Lyriq while continuing to gesture at a supra? Strange

[@IBoughtItMyself]

Very distracting

[@deltajohnny]

@Machoukas Really weird... I stopped watching the video because of that

[@Machoukas]

@@deltajohnny Same!

[@MBisFrenchy]

New camry due to price hikes seems not so affordable anymore.

[@dennwilliams3342]

A Camry is damn near $65k in 2024 , hybrid of course …..

[@NomenClature-o8s]

@@dennwilliams3342Put down the crackpipe. The highest trim 2024 Camry is $36,850.

[@dennwilliams3342]

@@NomenClature-o8s oh that’s without financing ? Got it 👍🏾

[@MotoManTV]

Disagree: kzbin.info/www/bejne/gF7QeI2bgdOMq5o

[@mikej238]

​@@dennwilliams3342😂 Where do you live? Even the Toyota Crown Insignia isn't that much

[@joebloggs4191]

BMW have got it just right! I am surprised the US have allowed the Cybertruck on the roads, it’s a pedestrian safety hazard hence why it’s not allowed in Europe!

[@zgdafzgdaf4264]

Europe has narrow streets. No evidence Cybertruck is a pedestrian safety hazard.

[@joebloggs4191]

@@zgdafzgdaf4264 The EU has banned the Cybertruck precisely because it doesn’t meet European safety standards! In this video he says some edges are sharp and you can hurt yourself on them!

[@alexioflexio8818]

The LUcid Air is the best car i've ever owned. at every level except self drivign, it's truly an incredible product. you fall in love with it. I think EV's can be done correctly, Lucid is proof.

[@kylem324]

The residuals on cyber trucks will probably continue to get worse. Once the deposit holders have all converted or declined an early truck, you can expect Tesla to lower the MSRP. Which will hurt residuals. And will make others hesitant to buy something that has been dropping in value. By late April, it was thought Tesla had produced 8k trucks. And TFL being 87k in line was offered a truck. Tesla makes a lot of cars, but their model s/x variants are low five figure production amounts, at a similar price point to where the truck might end up at. Compounded by it being available only in North America, production numbers might be closer to a niche vehicle. While there are 2 million deposit holders, only a fraction will be converted. And the downward price pressure will ward off some of those that aren’t turned off by its polarizing image.

[@davidpegler6774]

Love these discussions.

[@chuckcribbs3398]

Why do you keep pointing at the Supra talking about another car?? Weird.

[@DaveSoCal]

Love this type of content. Been in auto business 45+ years but have always been interested in the business side as much as the “cars”.

[@MotoManTV]

My pleasure.

[@asajayunknown6290]

The Cybertruck scares me. Have watched them back up and try to manouver parking lots. Its obvious that the sightlines are terrible. "Ding" insurance is going to be 4-5 times the norm shortly.

[@bobbyjones2112]

You’re spot on, this is a great video!

[@MotoManTV]

My pleasure!

[@NomenClature-o8s]

The purpose of the Cybertruck is to draw attention to its owner. And that it accomplishes very well.

[@michaelfrancis-vb7tp]

Good stuff!

[@zackzada]

This was a great episode. I drive a BMW i4 and I'm very happy with it. However, the problem of public charging infrastructure remains a significant issue. The current state of EV charging is abysmal. Typically, 2 out of 4 Electrify America chargers are out of order, either broken or vandalized. Until this issue is resolved, the car remains primarily a city vehicle, reliant on home charging. Imagine if there were only two gas stations in town and 2-3 pumps at each station didn't work. It may seem like an oversimplification, but the principle is the same.

[@KrisBaca]

Such an awesome point about GM taking their Lyriq interior design components and putting them into ICE vehicles. 2nd Point: would love to see you do more of these business/product/industry analysis views. It's a great opportunity to hear you roll up all of your experience.

[@MotoManTV]

Appreciate the feedback . . . Really had a lot of fun putting this one together.

[@Modularhandle]

Tangent: That Supra looks hella nice, but $74k? I admittedly don’t know much about Toyota, so maybe I’m missing something.

[@MotoManTV]

They only made 900 of the 45 Anniversary A91 . . .

[@Modularhandle]

@@MotoManTV TIL…

[@David_Journey]

BMW’s choice of having gas and electric vehicles on same body means lesser efficiency than on dedicated EV platform. Their efficiency peaked with their carbon fiber models which now are discontinued. Efficiency is the only route to shrink the weight of EVs that is rightfully pointed out on this channel’s reviews.

[@DavidSimpsonJr973]

Thermal efficiency yes but Financial efficiency comes first. Unless you sell enough, making a dedicated platform cost resources. In a transitional period it can put you in a bind when other products are your money makers.

[@David_Journey]

@@DavidSimpsonJr973 The humble East German Trabant had plastic panels, for sure there is a way to make do without carbon fiber, or make it cheaper.

[@povertyspec9651]

Biden spent $7.5 billion to install around 8 charging stations.

[@scubatrucker6806]

Right now there is 238 used Cybertrucks .

[@dennwilliams3342]

Wow

[@motman6668]

Pretty even handed and thorough assessment of the EV segment. We own an S and X and thought about EQS and R1S, whether EVE or not please do research first then make the purchase that makes you happy

[@MotoManTV]

Glad to hear you looked at all the options before focusing just on the Tesla. There are a lot of great EVs out there NO ONE looks at because it is not a Tesla. Yes, the charging infrastructure on the Tesla is second to none but if one has a level 2 at home and is using the car around town, opens up a lot of options.

[@MistahWorldwide]

If the EV infrastructure was as good as gas, I think people would have no problem paying for EVs. Those Tellurides, RDXs, RXs, and X5s sell great at $50k plus. I have an RZ because the lease deals were really good. But I can’t take it from Maryland to New Jersey because the range is trash and it takes forever to charge. At least I have my GR86 for long trips ;)

[@DavidSimpsonJr973]

Same thing was said way back in the day. The reason Tesla made their own network.

[@cbotten106]

I doubt it. Most people are being scared off by the high MSRP prices of current offerings and, more recently, the fear of a depreciation nightmare on the backend. The majority of the EV curious never even get to the point of dealing with the lousy infrastructure. Now some people are moving back into plug in and other hybrids FROM EVs because they have lived it...public charging.

[@TheTruePrudentOne]

Great video! I appreciate the dive into the ev world. I really believe that the race to ev was rushed and companies are feeling it. It would have been wise to smooth over the transitiok5via hybrid tech sort of like Toyota with the crown/grand highlander. I would like to ask if you think that the government see this slowdown and would change their ev transition date and strategy? Will companies utilize refining their hybrid tech?

[@MotoManTV]

Fully agree on Toyota's path . . .

[@josesolano1300]

Awesome video!!!!

[@mattlittlej]

I think the layman has realized that the infrastructure required for EVs is still over a decade out

[@robwalker4548]

First I am always amazed by how much some people get paid for nothing while people in actual productive jobs and important jobs for any good civilization are paid so little and how those differences seem to be increasing. The automotive design and manufacturing appear to be focused on the high end and have given up on affordable and dependable vehicles with good content after COVID. I consider anything over $30,000 should be rare rather than the norm and I assume I am stuck with what I own now for the rest of my life.

[@rogerthat117]

Very intelligent video, thanks

[@MotoManTV]

Appreciate you watching!

[@bavariancarenthusiast2722]

Elon Musk´s genius totally missed the market. The Cyber Truck is too late and not even a ready product. There are much better products already present on the market from Rivian, Ford is the classic choice with very faithful customers, GM and short term also from Lucid will be a great Product too. It would have been a game changer 3 years ago. Now they are just late and weird. Design is always personal taste - I don´t like it at all, but again thats only me. I cannot see that the Cyber truck will be a sales success and the first indication show that clearly. I don't see it ever coming to my home market either - it's not compliant to security standards over here. You can see Elon already panicking firing hundreds of people - no qualms from his side here. Good to hear that the Lyric is a good product, about time for Cadillac coming back - and it will be present in Europe as well. I did not know that all EV Pick up producers got also so much stock on their lot not selling. Also thank you for the background regarding BMW - yes they are lately the most successful EV manufacturer in terms of growth. Overall I love to get George knowledge and informed opinion

[@DavidSimpsonJr973]

Id say the underlying tech is awesome but the vehicle platform used was not ideal for adoption. If they used one of their existing vehicles I do wonder if the public perception would be great.

[@bavariancarenthusiast2722]

@@DavidSimpsonJr973 agreed - they wanted to apply and invent a number of !first in the industry, like the drive by wire, 48V etc. But they made the mistake of an old company, it took way too long. If they would have done the pickup on the platform of lets say the Model X it would have been ready in time.

[@MotoManTV]

Appreciate the feedback from my old home town . . .

[@Joehatrix]

Spot on brotha. The only thing that would save the “EV” market at this point would be another major world wide crisis similar to 2020 where the gas prices will skyrocket and everyone will rush to buy buy buy them to “Save” on fuel consumption.

[@alexnajarro4842]

What about Rivian?

[@rycuddles]

I would argue that Tesla is losing their ability to put out an Alpha product as well.

[@chrisschneiders6734]

Yes, think you've hit the nail on the head for two big reasons for me .price is a big one and government incentives are ahead of the game. Also why do electric cars have to have every gadget that most fossil fuel cars don't have and they cant compete with price to start with. Self driving cars are a friggin joke at this point of having fossil fuel and electric cars sharing the infrastructure.

[@louishall3700]

I've seen caddy lyrics almost daily here . ( I had to look up sales after seeing a blue and red one in the same )Good looking in person, panel gaps are Porsche level from the exterior.

[@1papachi]

You are not wrong about the Cybertruck, i love the way it looks and was a big fan. I ordered 2 cubertrucks back in mid 2021 and based on "order place" i did not expect it until 2026. Tesla sent me an email last week to pick up one hahahhaha, way overpriced and knowing how Elon "prices" his cars, I'm waiting until i like the price before buying it. Just amazes me that i expected the car in 2 years due to "demand" but i got it on same year it is available.

[@fooser77]

The best use of an electric motor in a car? That would be the BMW B58! I'll take mine in the m440i xDrive .. It drives like a sports sedan ........................................ because, IT IS ONE! And is as practical as any mid-size SUV .. It may cost more, but ....................... as they say; YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR!

[@MotoManTV]

Great example . . . Would have preferred they put the ISG between the engine and transmission like Mercedes but still works great! kzbin.info/www/bejne/npfRgYWvgdWMhM0

[@mauriciomendez1912]

I couldn't agree with you more! I wanted to buy a Tesla so I waited for a BMW I4. I liked it, but not it's 10K market adjustment! Now I'm questioning if I should get a hybrid instead?! The market will dictate where cars will go organically, not some government mandate...

[@user-qc7dr3cd3q]

Hybrid

[@zoner__]

Who will use a 1200V architecture? How much further can this escalate?

[@MotoManTV]

There are a number of benefits of upping the architecture but biggest by far to the average Joe is charging speed. 800V and above = faster recharge times = more realistic to own in the case where you live in a place that has support for it.

[@cheapercharlie]

A really quality editorial. Enjoyed it very much. I went ICE on my latest car due to range realities and lack of infrastructure. A weird data point here for ya but I live in Hurricane country. This latest vehicle needed to be my evacuation car ( needed 4 butt seats and tons of cargo space inside and outside the vehicle ). Nothing at the time came close to ICE except the F150 Lightning. But given its premium price and real world short range, I didn't want it to become a big paperweight because the throngs evacuating hogged up all the working chargers. Nor wanting to stop every 50 miles to charge because of range/charger availability. WIth ICE, I just throw some extra gas containers in the back or on the roof for just in case and can make it 500 miles before having to worry about a refuel. Badly written but I hope you get my point.

[@MotoManTV]

My pleasure!

[@benbustama3430]

Spot on MM!

[@Bum_Hip]

19:20 everyone is most certainly NOT going to agree we want clean air. In fact one party leader is running on actively making it dirtier. You have to know this.

[@aurorajones8481]

10:20 I agree with you Mr Man. 100%

[@aurorajones8481]

Priced to high, and ppl have a hard time charging now. Lets add to that while we have ppl cut the Tesla charging cord for copper leaving entire stations DOA. Solution? Gated charging stations making the process and price higher. Its stupid when you actually put thought into it.

[@mikemaslanka3786]

I actually like this format better than most of your interviews with other people. With just you talking, I learn more and in less time about what’s on your mind. Please do this more often. You are the expert and your opinion of what’s going on is very informative! Thank you MotoMan! I agree with you about the Lyriq. A very good first effort by Cadillac. They need to keep the momentum they achieved with the current Blackwings. The rear quarter of the Lyriq doesn’t match the attractiveness of the front 3 quarters. It is a deceptively long vehicle bigger than most mid size SUV’s. And I can’t stand the center mounted rear brake light. Every other exterior light is that distinctive vertical Cadillac look except that one. It’s a weird square that looks like someone stuck it up there as an afterthought. Gross!

[@MotoManTV]

Appreciate the feedback. Helps a lot. Really enjoyed putting this together and seeing the reaction is very fulfilling. Will evolve this format over time to make it a bit more impactful.

[@OPMDK]

The EV fad of yesterday sounds like the adage “admin drives ops”

[@jasonkupke6768]

Tesla is stall charging a $20k premium for the Foundation Edition. Otherwise I would complete my order.

[@garyclark6747]

MISS: The month of “May brought Hyundai its best month ever for the IONIQ 5 crossover, with sales up 82% over the same period last year.” HIT: Lyric is a porker like all GM/Ultium/Honda EV’s. MISS: It’s not Miata light but my IONIQ 5 AWD is quicker, quieter and a much better ride fitting five than the Miata and honestly other heavier ICE vehicles you’ve reviewed. Narrow the brush and stay in the lines with weights and sales numbers. I don’t need the Porsche experience but it’s a HIT on the $51K I paid thanks in part to the $1K Gravity Gold Matte paint. It’s not for everyone like the N isn’t but unless it gets cheaper and plugs double in abundance with IONNA it’s not going to gain popularity. MISS/HIT: Cybertruck flipping has been going on for while and many have made a fast buck initially. Yes people deep on the waiting list are being called because most aren’t going to kiss $20K for a foundation that can’t keep a lane on autopilot let alone be missing completely the FSD they paid for. Beta testers aren’t being found in abundance. 20:45

[@ABC-hi3fy]

I think EV cars although more expensive they will save you money in 5 years ownership. They are safer, quieter, no pollution if you are next to it, or in a city, and more fun to drive. They accelrate and stop on a dime. Cyber truck can be a battery back up feeding your house for a week or more. The negativity towards electric vehicles is not good for the US. The battery technology is in its infancy. In a few years you would go 1000 miles without charging.

[@ALXXR63AMG]

At which pricepoint is a Worldwide electric small SUV …every country different…in Germany it’s Hyundai and Kia Land 25-36000€ a self driven Robotaxi styled like the Cybertruck at 35000€ would be right in Germany where I come from…

[@sadie63]

In my small town 60,000 people the local GMC dealer has three Hummers sitting on the lot for over a month now, Price over 142K CDN, I think the people with money are no longer in the "more money than brains club" . The Hummer is the most inefficient EV on the market. Oh and the taillights cost over 3500.00 US each to replace. Real stupid GM.

[@godofdun]

First, hard disagree on the Lyriq design, love it from every angle. Second, demand is growing, every car company's ev sales are up 50-70% or more. The demand is a Tesla problem, and it took longer to get a jump start than manufacturers thought, hence the dealership stack up. This benefits BMWs strategy in the short term, but maybe not so much in the medium to long term.

[@wyw201]

If you sold 1 EV last year and sold 2 this year, that is a growth of 100%

[@gregkramer5588]

Ioniq 5 and Ford lighting just set sales records last month. So much FUD out there. The Cybertruck is in 4th place in EV pickups and will likely be fifth after the Ram Rev comes when it comes to usability. The CT had tons of reservations before there was competition. The new shiny thing that Tesla was a few years ago is dead. The other MFGs are passing them.

[@zoner__]

Now you don't have to accept the take it or leave it Tesla attitude anymore to get an EV. BMW makes them look like Yugos

[@ms-jl6dl]

I'm glad you're living in fantasy. Waking up will be the best thing that happened to you.

[@NomenClature-o8s]

Do an update…just a month later the situation is even more absurd.

[@Nocturnal-goose]

Waiting to see you get your hands on the new vantage.

[@MotoManTV]

Tweet/FB/IG at Aston Martin for better access and we'll make it happen. Currently, Aston does not take this show seriously.

[@ronnymb67]

Nothing against electric vehicles. I used to frequently mistake the early model threes for a quattroporte. But after seeing the Cyber Truck in person, the pictures don't do it any justice. It's just ugly. Something tells me that most of the buyers are long-term Teslaratis and thought it would be cool. Then once they got behind the wheel, they realized it really isn't and dumped them.

[@smk4565]

If the only ICE cars available for sale were $55,000 small crossovers and $100,000 sedans with 670 hp, then ICE sales would suck too. The EV's on the market aren't what shoppers even want, until maybe the Equinox for $35k comes out, because with the tax credit it is equal to the price of the ICE Equinox, probably cheaper than you'd pay on a Rav4.

[@MotoManTV]

1,000% spot on.

[@brotherdaveseattle2791]

You haven't been in a GM ice car lately...

[@EUC-lid]

Guys, the US government forced me to buy so many EVs. What do? 🗿

[@carnut5562]

Screw the EVs. I’m a simple man. Just make me an M340i manual. Period. End!

[@doublehh666]

All of the car bloggers who have some liquid assets will get an advantage getting cars earlier than you and me and flipping them when it suits them.

[@noiwtna]

I feel that vehicles that spend a majority of it's life in the city should be electric. Semis should try both ways. Some electric some hybrids. That would make the most sense. VW has even pulled back on its rush to electric. Let the delivery vehicles, the emergency vehicles, city vehicles, and "taxis". That needs to be said to the heads of these companies.

[@anydaynow01]

I've seen a few Lyrics here, and Volvos, but I'm seeing more and more Volts and Toyota Primes charging in driveways too (don't know where all these Volts were hiding over the years!). Whenever Toyota gets the battery inventory to start making Sienna Primes with a >80 km EV range and the design language of the new Prius they can take my money! I have a Volt now with over 160k km on it and 90% battery life after seven years of daily driving it. I don't need to hoard batteries to daily drive emissions free.

[@davidmulligan42]

I think Toyota were right to stick with hybrids and PHEVs. I couldn't justify the price of an Ioniq 5, even though I really like it. We ended up with a Venza. My own car is a 2011, and I have no interest in replacing it for at least another five years. We'll see where EV tech and charging infrastructure is at that point, but I may cave and buy a Toyota Century (I really want a V12!).

[@MotoManTV]

Toyota is spot on!

[@dennwilliams3342]

So what’s gonna happen when companies like VOLVO ditch gas in 2030 ?? With other companies to follow ….

[@yo2trader539]

I was so distracted by the beautiful car. Wow.