Using A Fire Piston

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in this video I demo how to use a fire piston to start a fire. great for survival and bushcraft!
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[@marcoschale1019]

It does not create a spark though. It increases the temperature momentarily by compression. If done fast enough, it will exceed the tinders autoignition temperature and therefore your tinder ignites

[@SpeirOutdoors]

I understand that and I try to explain it to where everyone can understand it give the 60 second time frame to the shorts videos.

[@leehaelters6182]

Marco, I think that you are quibbling because no electricity is involved. Yet, I feel the term spark is correct, since we also use spark to mean small ignited particles that arise from a campfire in the wind, or that shoot from a fireplace.

[@preacherF-15]

@@leehaelters6182 no , it's not quibbling. You're talking about an ember as a spark.. that is the end result of our action. What causes the ember that you're going to use to start a fire? In every other case, you use a spark to create the ember. But with a fire piston this is not the case. The fire piston uses the compression of air to create heat, like in an oven. There is no fire in a convection oven. Try to light a cigarette off of a convection oven. The fire piston uses hot air to basically "cook" the tinder into an ember. If you know anything about cars, a gasoline engine fills a cylinder with a combustible mixture, then a spark plug creates a spark which ignites the mixture, and you're good to go. This is like a Ferro rod, flint and steel, matches, bic lighter, etc fire starting methods . This is NOT the fire piston method. Fire pistons work just like diesel engines. No spark plug, no spark. You put some fuel in the cylinder, just like diesel fuel in the cylinder of a diesel engine. Then you literally squeeze it until it ignites. No spark plug. No spark. None.

[@preacherF-15]

@@leehaelters6182 I have no earthly idea what you mean by no electricity is involved. As far as I can tell, literally no one, other than you, is using or even considering electricity in this scenario whatsoever. Where do you get electricity from any of this??

[@leehaelters6182]

@@preacherF-15, trying to dissect what Marco Schale is thinking of when he uses the term spark. Thanks for the civil invitation to discourse, it has been my pleasure. And yes, I understand the Otto cycle, and how a fire piston works, as well.

[@mevansthechemist]

Starting thermodynamics in my intro chemistry course tomorrow, and I’m going to share this with the students! Great demo!

[@fareastzfz4799]

Ancient malay technology - fire piston aka gobek api

[@izzuddinbinkosmin]

Terbaik 🤲🏻

[@ShortMovie775]

Orng putih kau tahu tahu je la bang memang tkkn ckp benda tu asal dari melayu,sma mcm cina kaki claim and tiru🤣

[@Aatell764]

I'd like to get one of these, I haven't heard anyone say to use anything but char cloth. Would it work with anything else? Maybe the soft papery inner stuff on bark? I just feel like requiring char cloth greatly reduces its potential usefulness in a survival situation

[@creek_camper]

Awesome. I’ve always wanted to try one of those. 👍😀

[@blaineerasmus911]

Hey man love these videos

[@SpeirOutdoors]

Thank you! i really appreciate the feedback

[@dont.ripfuller6587]

Knew a dude that saw the fire piston it wasn't the first nor the last, but waited until the smell finally passed, then whooped out his hose and gave those poor coals one more blast.

[@leehaelters6182]

A frontier poet, I see!

[@chrismayo4902]

Just like the inside of the titan submarine.

[@leehaelters6182]

Speak not dismissively of those lost at sea, nor disrespectfully of those unfortunates aboard the Titan, their bodies consigned to the deepest deep.

[@chrismayo4902]

@@leehaelters6182 it wasn’t being disrespectful’ I was explaining to someone what happens under pressure like that’ this was the closest known example I could show them with a result’ to much misinformation out there.

[@leehaelters6182]

@@chrismayo4902, thanks fir the rply, and I am glad that you are on the record about that. All the best.

[@FazliMohd-sh1gm]

It came from Malay

[@ShortMovie775]

That is gobek api malayu people using it 500 years ago my friend 😂

[@user-tf5lh5wl5f]

👍👍👍👏👏👏

[@preacherF-15]

Lol makes a spark? No. It works exactly like a diesel engine.

[@SpeirOutdoors]

I do understand what you’re trying to say, and I really appreciate the comment. I try to break it down to where an extreme beginner can even understand what I am trying to convey and to be put in simplest terms to someone that does not understand it by using the word spark.

[@preacherF-15]

@@SpeirOutdoors Don't you think it would be a better practice to tell this beginner how it actually works than to give him completely incorrect information? If this beginner believes that a spark is created inside this tube, he will probably never figure out how to actually make a fire piston work. Or perhaps, believing that somehow squeezing air causes sparks to spontaneously form, he will use this inaccurate knowledge to attempt other means to start a fire, wasting time and precious resources in an actual emergency and lose his life or suffer extreme frostbite because of it? I lived in the Alaskan bush for years, and the ability to quickly start a fire was a literal life or death skill. Lighters and matches will not work in extreme cold, flint and steel are very difficult to use in extreme cold - say -40f and below. Everyone I knew carried a Ferro rod and a fire piston. Both worked in the extreme cold. Ferro rod was the easier of the two, until you had some practice with the fire piston. Once you mastered getting an ember, which isn't as difficult as it seems at first, you can easily create an entire fire piston technique that requires almost no fine motor skill at all. The problem most people don't consider unless they've been in extreme cold is the complete lack of coordination and dexterity. Trying to use flint and steel when your fingers won't work is problematic. I've seen people cut themselves badly using a knife and Ferro rod on several occasions. Nothing is easy under those conditions, and if you haven't mastered the fire piston you probably won't be able to use it either, although you are less likely to sever an artery. If you have mastered the fire piston and you have the necessary tinder at hand as you should, using the fire piston only requires large, simple movements as opposed to relatively fine, complex movements a Ferro rod requires. Neither will be easy if you've let your hands grow this cold, believe me, I've been there. Some people will have an easier time with the piston, some with the Ferro rod, people react differently to cold induced loss of dexterity. Personally I prefer the fire piston, as I practiced using it with big simple motions. I put a looped lanyard on each part of the piston so I could jam it into the ground quickly, then use the loops to easily separate the two and drop the ember into my "birds nest". Easier demonstrated than explained, but personally I couldn't come up with a simple method with the Ferro rod when my fingers wouldn't cooperate. Of course, if you live here in my home state of Texas, and never go north and in fact never really venture out even in Texas' mild-ish winter to camp or have emergencies 😂, you can toss a few bic lighters in your truck, boat, tackle box, gun cases and jacket pockets and you'll never have to worry.. unless there is a nuclear winter, or a huge volcanic eruption, or something of the sort. Personally, I always expect the unexpected, that's just the way my life seems to roll.

[@leehaelters6182]

@@preacherF-15, thought Texans were laconic.

[@preacherF-15]

@@leehaelters6182 laconic? Lol have you met many Texans? We tend to be quiet, in person, yes. But when we write about things that are important to us, particularly correcting people who spout ignorance as if it is truth, we will write your ear off. 😂

[@chasemitchell3510]

As well

[@MagnusMaximusinWales]

It became redundant technology with the invention of the friction match 2 centuries ago. Interesting demo though!

[@ComotoseOnAnime]

It's not redundant. Matches don't work very well in damp or wet conditions, matches also run out and often take up far too much space if you plan to carry a box of them. Meanwhile as long as you have some spare O rings and a tin to make charcloth, you can make thousands of fires in a fraction of the space that matches would take up. It's also significantly cheaper in the long run and can be used even if your hands are injured or cold, unlike matches which require some dexterity.

[@leehaelters6182]

@Magnus, well, lah-dee-dah, thank you for putting it all in perspective for us. And so grateful that you allow it still can be interesting as a demo!

[@devind2915]

​@@ComotoseOnAnime A box of fuckin matches or even a 1 dollar bic is FAR MORE USEFULL and easier to use than this bullshit.

[@ComotoseOnAnime]

@@devind2915 A box of good storm proofed matches can cost 10 dollars for a pack of 25-30. You can make your own but that's also a time investment that might not be worth it to you and requires buying at least a candle, and even then if your match head underneath or the strike surface is wet those don't work either. Yes, a bic lighter is useful, but it also has it's problems. The fuel can run out for starters, including prematurely if the button is accidentally held down in a pocket or something else. The wheel can also get wet and not strike which can take some time to dry or necessitate rotating the wheel until dry which worries at the strike stick in the lighter, which reduces it's lifespan. They also don't strike well in high winds. Absolutely carry a lighter, but the same could be said for any fire starter, it's why any good survivalist recommends carrying multiple means of fire starting. Carry as many as is feasible and relevant to your location as is possible, fire is up there with food and water in a survival situation for a reason.