Using AES50 to Send and Receive Audio on x32 W/Stage Boxes

[@CrazyAmazingDesigns]

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[@gmacsafricancichlidsaquari1506]

@crazyAmazingDesigns I have you same setup excluding the S 16. I am familiar with using the S 32 and the actual X 32 mixer. My question is if I'm just using the SD 16 but I will preferred to use it for AES50 channel 17 to 32 via SD 16 and 1- 16 as local is that possible?

[@gmacsafricancichlidsaquari1506]

I believe you answered my question

[@jasonstevens4486]

For those attempting to link two X32's together, it is important to note that the ethernet cable does need to be shielded preferably a shileded Ethercon cable. Also one X32 has to have its clock synchronization set to Internal but the second needs to have its timing sync set to AES-A (If using A on both units). You should have a green light on both X32's for AES-A or B if using B port.

[@marekzima4521]

Nice tutorial but for the future I would recommend to start with one StageBox and explain IN and OUT AES50 and then explain connection of multiple StageBox-es. However, very helpfull. Thank you.

[@CrazyAmazingDesigns]

Hi, Yes, I tried to explain this in sequence, but I also completely understand what you're saying. -Nathan R

[@steverobertson589]

Where is video 5 in this series? It's not linked in your description & I can't see it on your page...

[@CrazyAmazingDesigns]

I’ve only done 4 videos of this kind. What would you like to see in a Video 5? Dedicated Dante?

[@steverobertson589]

@@CrazyAmazingDesigns At the end of this video you say that video 5 will be go deeper into routing & some best practices for user outputs.

[@daveobrien497]

I have an X32 Compact and an S32 stage box. I need to output Mains LR and 8 Wired IEM mixes from the s32. How do I route this on the compact? I thought I followed this video to the T. However, im still only able to use outputs 1-8 on the s32. Does the Astrid on output 9-16 go away once it's configured properly? Im going a little insane at this point. Please help.

[@CrazyAmazingDesigns]

On the compact, go to Routing Page. Assuming the S32 is connected via AES50-A on both the compact and the S32. Go to Routing-> AES50-A tab, select 1-8 and 9-16 as Output 1-8 and Output 9-16. That should be all the routing to get Outputs 1-16 to output on the s32. Go to the OUT tab to set what source is set to each output. -Nathan

[@johnguerrero9661]

Are the drivers updated?

[@jackoliva7206]

Excellent tutorial. Great in-depth explanations.

[@rayc325]

Nathan, this was interesting. We have an x32 and only one stage box, DL16. Do have a video explaining routing just using one stage box? Thanks

[@CrazyAmazingDesigns]

Currently this is my only AES50 x32 routing video, but basically you can go to the input page and select AES50-A, 1-8, 9-16, as your inputs to the x32. Connect the A port on the DL16 and to the A port on the x32. DONE! -Nathan

[@luigi7927]

How long is the cable I can use between the boxes?

[@CrazyAmazingDesigns]

AES50 uses an Ethernet cable, it's not a network connection, but it's Cat5e. 300ft is MAX length for Ethernet cable, and I've seen issues with Max Length 300ft Cat6 cable. The extra Cat6 cable twists make for longer cable, and causes issues with AES50. -Nathan R

[@hopechurchtech]

Hi Nate, thanks for making these videos. 1:30 you mention the band could change the house mix. Are you using the MX-Q app? That is what we use and it only lets the band adjust the mix bus they have selected in the app.

[@CrazyAmazingDesigns]

Yes, and yes, Thanks for the comment! There was a time I did not know this and had not used the light app versions. I created a video last week where I looked at all the different apps and what they are capable of. -Nathan

[@dannylibeert5429]

Hi Nathan, in our church in Belgium i use an X32 with SD8, SD16 and SD8 in cascade. THe output switches are set to 1-8, 9-16 and 17-24. How can i route, lets say mix bus1 to output 24? (we also use P16m, so all of these channels are in use)

[@CrazyAmazingDesigns]

Hi Danny, I'm going to be in Flensunger Hof, Germany this summer for EmpowerConference2023. On your x32, on the AES50-AorB page, set the 1-8, 9-16, and 17-24 outputs to be USER Outs. Then in the User Out page, select OUT 24 and select mixbus 1 as the source. Send me an email (in description) if you still can't get it, -Nathan Robb

[@luigi7927]

Hi Danny, How long is the cable I can use between the boxes?

[@dannylibeert5429]

@@luigi7927 the total lenght between X32 and the last stagebox is 100m

[@jimmysiberio3713]

Is is posible to keep my local outs and use additional outs on my SD16? We are a setup tear down church and leave our x32 rack on stage and setup a table in the back with two computers along with the sd16 and iPad to control the x32. One computer sends audio and the other receives it for the live. In the past we have ran several cables from the front to the back but they are bulky and with translation stations, stereo ins and out from the computers the cable management has become a nightmare. Add on this the room we use has been split and so we now need to figure out something more practical which is why i opted for the SD16. The issue I am running into is, I have designated outs locally from the x32 on stage and need at least 2 outs in the back for the live. Can this be done? If so how? Can I have main outs, sub fed busses, in ears etc on stage and program the SD16 to only give me stereo outs for my livestream? Appreciate any help!

[@CrazyAmazingDesigns]

Hi Jimmy, Local OUTs are assigned on the XLR tab of the x32 console/ rack. For example you could assign Output 1-8 on stage, and 9-16 to the SD16. Or use USER OUTS to assign more specific channels to the outputs. If you want to schedule a Zoom Meeting, I can get things set up for you and then help you understand X32 routing better. Book a time on my calendar at www.CrazyAmazingDesigns.com/training -Nathan R

[@jimmysiberio3713]

⁠@@CrazyAmazingDesigns thanks Nathan, I’m going to give it a try and book some time if I need additional help.

[@jimmysiberio3713]

@@CrazyAmazingDesigns I tried setting it up but the options on the XLR tab are for outputs 1-4 or 5-8 it doesn’t allow me to have more.

[@CrazyAmazingDesigns]

@@jimmysiberio3713 Yes, because there are only 8 physical XLR out ports on the console. -Nathan R

[@AnilKumar-zo2eu]

Thank you so much sir for your packaged information.

[@verkehrsteilnehmer-berlin]

One question, Google can't handle. I want to use two X32 parallel, one for live, one for stream. We have a remote stagebox connected with the AES50 A connector on our first X32. Could I use the AES50 B on the first X32 to feed the 2nd X32, that it may be used the same way as the first one?

[@CrazyAmazingDesigns]

Hi, Yes you can connect the stage box to X32-A (AES50-A on X32-A to AES50-A on the Stage Box) and bring in the Audio channels to the X32-A. Then connect both x32 mixers via AES50-B to A on X32-A. Now Pull in Staeg Box inputs to X32-A via. -Nathan R This is an Advanced method of using the x32 platform. Very hard to make it make sense with few words. If you'd like to schedule a zoom meeting with me, We can get things working for you. www.CrazyAmazingDesigns.com/training -Nathan R

[@verkehrsteilnehmer-berlin]

@@CrazyAmazingDesigns We doesn't have the second x32 yet, but the question is, what cable do we need, and it would be easier, if we could connect the 2nd X32 simply to the first one. In routing is the option to send the inputs to AES50 B, does it mean, that the channels with all Equalizer and dynamics settings goes to the AES50-B output or the signal before the processing?

[@JimDory]

Thank you for the informative videos. I have a X32 plus an s16 stage box. Ordinarily I am able to use 2 active FOH (front of hall) speakers on stage, and 2 active FOH speakers set back from stage in a long room (with a bit of delay). But with a band that requires 4 monitors, I have to use one pair for the monitors leaving me with just 2 active FOH stage speakers. So I can swap them out for passive FOH stage speakers using an amp and move the actives to back in the room. How would I route the main mix -- I could use channels 7 and 8 to the passives, but what to do to get the main mix to the actives as well. (Hope I'm clear enough). Outs 1-4 go to monitors on mixbusses 1-4, no problem. outs 5 and 6 could go to actives, and 7 and 8 to passive speakers. (I don't believe you can daisy chain actives off my EAW passives.) So how to duplicate main mix of 7 and 8 to 5 and 6? I'm sure it is probably easy.. thanks!

[@JimDory]

and when using the 4 actives as FOH speakers I just daisy chain them.

[@CrazyAmazingDesigns]

Hi Jim, On the OUT 1-16 page, this is where you can set the outputs for the Outs 1-4 and 5-8 you have already sent to your S16. Set 5/6 to be Main L/R just like the 7/8. You can daisy chain Active speakers easily, but Passive speaker Amps sometimes don't have a through port. You could use an XLR Splitter cable if it comes to it. -Nathan R (Email me if you still can't get it, or Schedule a Training Call through my website and we can definitively get things working the way you'd like.)

[@JimDory]

@@CrazyAmazingDesigns Thanks so much! Easy deal.. works fine. I wasn't sure I would have volume control separate from the other pair of speakers from the board though, so I tried setting 5 and 6 outputs to Matrix 1 and 2 and that also seems to work and gives me volume control. Hopefully doesn't create other issues. Plus your reply made me look at our amplifier, a QSC PLX 3602 power amp that has a parallel Mode. It says "use only one input when operating in Parallel Mode. The remaining input connector can be used for daisy-chaining the signal to other amplifiers. " So perhaps that would work -- just with no board volume control per pair.. but I could always jump up and adjust individual speaker volumes on the speakers. Thanks again!

[@EltonYoung-hx6qu]

Hi my name is Alton I message you before where I am at a church. They have an X 32 rack SD8 I brought my S 16 I wanted to split the outs. Want to eat today SD8 and 9 through 16 outputs on the S 16 you gave me instructions but I still can’t get it to work. Maybe there’s something I could download of your website thanks

[@CrazyAmazingDesigns]

Hi Alton, If you are still having trouble getting your routing to work as desired on the x32, then I suggest signing up for a Zoom Training Session with me. Book a time on my calendar at www.CrazyAmazingDesigns.com/Training and I'm sure we get get things sorted out for you, as well as help you understand the system better. -Nathan R

[@prefix808]

Tonight, I have no monitor engineer and I'm running the monitors myself. I'm hoping to run the monitors from the FOH console without repatching. Yes I know I can put the AES50A cable going to the stage and plug it directly into my main M32 Live at FOH, but what fun is that? I have DL32 on stage with a M32C connected to it's AES50A port. Then on the M32C, I have a M32 Live connected to the M32C AES50B port. I'm in a situation where I want to route the M32 Live outputs (1-16) to the DL32 outputs without physically repatching anything. As far as I understand things, on the AES50-B tab on the M32C, I can use the first two columns (AES50B Outputs 1-8 and AES50B Outputs 9-16). I scroll down and select "AES50A 1-8" and "AES50A 9-16" accordingly. This should now route the AES50B inputs of the M32C to the AES50A outputs on the M32C, which are already routed to the AES50A inputs of the DL32...right? For anyone wondering, we already use this system successfully as a dual console Mon/FOH system using the Aux In Re-map method (all outputs on the DL32 are fed from the M32C Monitor console...because technically only one M32 console can interact with the DL32 at a time - though happy to be proven wrong about that).

[@CrazyAmazingDesigns]

First of all, I had no clue the M32C mixer existed. So Thanks!! To fix your issue, I think you have the AES50-A & AES50-B routing backwards on the M32C. I build a diagram based on how you said this is wired. That I'd love to send you, so please send me an email. If your M32 is connected to the AES50-B port on the M32C. And the DL32 is connected to the AES50-A port on the M32C. Then from the AES50-A tab in routing on the M32C, you need to select the inputs AES50-B 1-16, from the m32. -Nathan

[@prefix808]

@@CrazyAmazingDesigns Hey Nathan, it all worked as I described it. So nice to not have to rewire anything for this setup.

[@CayroproductionsAdan]

I have. A problem : I have an sd 16 just like the 8 channel snake u show, but with 16 channels, so every time I connect it to A and A from my x32 to the a port of the sd16 snake,,, but when I connected it to port B of the sd16 it shows a red light, (not the power on light). And the interesting part is that on the. X32 it shows as being connected but nothing works… any suggestions?

[@CrazyAmazingDesigns]

x32 Console AES50-A port -> connects to S16 (A) port. The screen on the x32, the top, should show Green on the AES50-A connection. Port B on the S16 is the output port, you could use it to connect to a second stage box. -Nathan Email me if you still are having issues, YT didn't show me this comment until I hunted for it.

[@DrumPeearl]

Thank you for this really helpful video. What's the difference between the USER out and Normal output on the aes A tab?

[@CrazyAmazingDesigns]

Hi, the best thing you can do is watch my USER Routing video. I can explain this topic much better on that video than typing here. -Nathan R kzbin.info/www/bejne/iouqq2p7aJmssNE

[@boallmon324]

I’m still new at this and we want to our 4 iem system. What’s your ideals on connecting them up for use

[@CrazyAmazingDesigns]

I’m gonna need some more info, P16s are the easiest option. Connect multiple of them to the Poe switch and connect the switch to the x32. Now you have a bunch of personal mixers for the band. Each member can plug into there personal mixer and control the mix from the p16.

[@boallmon324]

Using sennheiser G4 wireless iem system. My understanding is you connect transmitter to your Aux in’s. On x32 back panel.

[@gboyega]

Hi @CrazyAmazingDesigns I have a X32 with a snake cable box with 8 outputs on stage, i also have the sd16 for an additional 8 outputs. How do i route my mixer to take the first 8 output from my xlr output and the other 8 outputs from the SD16 stagebox output. Thank you

[@CrazyAmazingDesigns]

Hey! I replied to your email. 😀 -Nathan

[@gboyega]

@@CrazyAmazingDesigns Thank you soo much

[@AndyGeroldMusic]

Can i route an input from the S16 to an Aux out of the x32?

[@CrazyAmazingDesigns]

Yes. There is an AuxOut tab, where you can grab the S16 input from the "direct input" source, from the console channels. -Nathan R

[@AndyGeroldMusic]

@@CrazyAmazingDesigns can you help me figure this out?

[@CrazyAmazingDesigns]

@@AndyGeroldMusic Sure. Go ahead and send me an email, or sign up for a Zoom training session through my website. I can help you get it working, and help you learn more about x32 routing. crazyamazingdesigns.com/training

[@aislancarlosalves8829]

Hi, how to use a X32 compacto with stagebox WITH FIBER Cable? (same as Dante).

[@CrazyAmazingDesigns]

Hi, You cannot run AES50 over a direct point to point fiber connection from the stage box. If your building is run with Fiber networking that is fine. I would setup a network switch near the x32 compact mixer and connect the switch to the x32. You can then connect the dante card port and the network port to the switch, and the switch to the network. -Nathan R

[@TechnicsHome]

Hello everyone . please i need help " output configuration for M32R Live with DL16 " I'm currently working with the M32R Live mixer and the DL16 stage box, and I need help configuring the outputs. I'd like to use the user outputs on the mixer, specifically for buses 1-8 bus fader. I aim to set up bus fader 1 to output from the local mixer (out 1), bus fader 2 to output from the DL16 (out 1), bus fader 3 to output from DL16 out 2, and bus fader 4 from DL16 out 3 and so on. similar to how I configure the inputs. For the inputs, I can set input fader 1 to source from the local mixer and input fader 2 from the first input of the DL16 from user input I know how to do it , but setting for out it is confusing and also I want to make out 7 in dl16 as master out left and out 8 in dl16 as master out right and to keep also out from local 7,8 as master because I want to have other PA system from DL16 Could you please provide guidance on how to achieve this configuration for the outputs?

[@CrazyAmazingDesigns]

Hi! This is a big topic to discuss over Email or this YT comment. If you signup for a Training Session, I'd be happy to help you get this working. We can use Remote Desktop via a Zoom meeting, and the M32-Edit app on a computer to get this routing setup for you. "CrazyAmazingDesigns.com/training" -Nathan R

[@LG1685h]

Wait I thought this console only had 16 outputs. How many does it have?

[@CrazyAmazingDesigns]

@@LG1685h You are correct, x32 only has 16 outputs. -Nathan R

[@tituscurpas3988]

Hy. Can i use a xr16 as a digital stagebox

[@CrazyAmazingDesigns]

Unfortunately No, the XR16 does not support AES50. This is why I recommend spending a little bit more for the x32 compact which has a lot more expandability including AES50 and an expansion card slot. -Nathan

[@TheInvisibleMen]

Hello Nathan. Your explanation for this mixer and stage box is the first video to give me a better understanding of how this should work. Thank you. Im still having a little trouble with the outputs on the stage box. I have 2 SD8's wired as you said. My mixer shows Chanels 1-8 (Local inputs) Chanels 9-16 (Local inputs) Chanels 17-24 (inputs are A1-A8) Chanels 25-32 (A9-A16) The problem I am having is that I need output Chanels 7 and 8 on the stage box to act as Monitor outputs (Like "Monitor" on the rear of the console) How do I achieve this?

[@CrazyAmazingDesigns]

You can assign the XLR outs from the "XLR Outputs" tab. Then what mixbus or L/R mix is sent to each from the "OUT" tab. -Nathan

[@279oxygene]

Hi Nathan, finally a video that should help me... I find it very confusing using the Edit-Software and see the Editing local at the device. It looks just so different. And: Why do the label the User-Output Category "AES50-A in", when you want actually send something "out"? I think I'm wrong. I spend hours on the x32...Please: I want to send 28 Channels (received from the AES-A Port), and 2 local inputs, the mix busses and Main L/R back on the AES-A Port to my other devices. User Out Tab: user out 1-16 to Output 1-16 (because the Stagebox Wiring takes only the 1-16) User Out Tab: AES50-A 1-32 to Output 17-48 (will be rerouted in X32R) Tab XRL: all 1-16 to User Out (Using an X32R as Monitormixer, connected to a S32) Thank you for an advice.

[@CrazyAmazingDesigns]

Love it! Glad you found value in this video. I agree it's confusing, Send me an email and let's connect over the phone to talk about this. It's just too much to do over YT Comments. lol [e-mail] In the USER Inputs section, let's select Channel 1. I'll select "AES50-A Source 1" as the input. Now I'm pulling from "AES50-A Source 1" for Console input 1. In the AES50-A tab it's all about MixBus Outputs to AES50-A. But in the Input tab, or in the USER IN tab when the Inputs tab is set to USER IN. There it's all about AES50-A channel Inputs from stage boxes. -Nathan

[@279oxygene]

Hi…wrote you a mail… Thank you

[@Jayremedy]

That Jesus rap was dooooope

[@CrazyAmazingDesigns]

LOL! I was singing that for our Young Adult Worship Team just the other day. Should I release on Spotify LOL! -Nathan R

[@DustySeven7]

Dont overuse USER routing like this, It just makes things more complicated. For that vast majority of setups the standard block of 8 routing is perfectly fine and is just simpler. Especially for the outputs. Standard Routing for the outputs is ALREADY 1-1 via the Outs page in routing.

[@CrazyAmazingDesigns]

@@DustySeven7 Yes! I could not agree more. In this video I was trying to explain the use in different scenarios however. 1-1 is life. -Nathan R

[@DrumPeearl]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/nIOpeXecrJmDn6M Is there a difference between the AES OUT and AES USER out if you link each number to the same channel on the USER tab ? If I understood correctly, USER is to change the path of a channel , Example sending Out 3 to Out 8 etc...

[@CrazyAmazingDesigns]

Hi, USER IN and OUT give you the most flexibility. Assign USER OUT to AES50-A, for example; now you can send any input or Output in the console to those AES50-A stage box output XLR connectors. -Nathan R

[@GustavoPereiraReis-mg4lq]

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[@CrazyAmazingDesigns]

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