Using Body Weight in Arm Wrestling - EXPLAINED

After a huge exposure of arm wrestling on many huge KZbin channells, lot of new fans are saying that using body weight in arm wrestling is cheating. Ray and Janis dive deep into why are we leaning and "using the body" in arm wrestling.
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[@TimmyTurner421]

Arm and wrist are always the weakest link. Using your bodyweight isn't cheating because arm and wrist have to support it

[@jolteon1019]

That is why it was so insane to see Levan 'hanging' all his 185-190kg on Ermes' arm and he could hold it. That in itsself should be clear as day that there is a limit to how much body weight can be advantageous.

[@RDS_Armwrestling]

@jolteon1019 the full weight doesn't go through the arm though, that's why

[@Pasq94]

​@@RDS_Armwrestlinghe literally just said that 😅

[@derbycityarmwrestling7300]

@@jolteon1019 It's more like bodyweight is an anchor for the strength that you do have. If your strength is more than your opponent, dropping your body will drop your opponent to the pad. If your strength is less than your opponent, dropping your body will just bring you away from your arm.

[@POLITICALYCORRECTify]

​@@jolteon1019dude that's ridiculous, are you saying when your gains for your sport are amazing, he should have to lose some because he's more successful in his training. Dude that's a joke. Put limits on strength n size ey? It's a strength sport.

[@bmad1386]

I always said to people who say "it isn't arm wrestling, they're using bodyweight", if your arm can hold the same position from the start, then IT IS still arm wrestling, since it's still your arm strength keeping the position.

[@rochellesandvick1281]

THANK YOU! I wish everyone would understand this

[@infxnite4431]

100% correct. However, most people dont understand BASIC PHYSICS and are quick to cry "using bodyweight is cheating 😭"

[@madawcofarreat2348]

Arm wrestling at the lunch table in high school and pretending that you know what you're talking about is like me playing backyard soccer at a friends house and bitching about what professional soccer players are doing. "Uuuh actually... that's not what we used to do growing up!"

[@bigmongo475]

Fake ass sport shit ain't even real

[@THEEND-sh8mb]

I just watch the Mr Beast posts on Instagram and i felt bad for gabi because there's soo many ppl who doesn't know how to arm wrestling and start calling her cheater...

[@JackBusiness89]

Janis and Ray - thank you so much I'm learning a lot from listening and watching you guys. I genuinely feel your guys love for the sport I just got into it not even a year but I'm all in the community is amazing much love guys

[@BGSenTineL]

Once a big guy in my gym wanted to armwrestle me (we had table at the gym). I asked him if he is familiar with the sport and how to keep himself safe etc. He said "pff it is just armwrestling, lets do it for money". So I toprolled him for 2 seconds and he was whining for days that I CHEATED ! that this is not armwrestling, that I should not have moved my body, that I cannot bend my wrist etc. He went so far to tell everyone that I was a cheat ... Keep in mind at that time I was 86kg with 3 years AW experience , and he was like 110+ kg with huge arms training like a bodybuilder. Moral of the story - don't play AW with stupid people who cannot and don't want to understand the sport ...

[@loveforchickennuggets6412]

These no body and can’t bend your wrist rule is like a school playground rule. His ego is more fragile than glass

[@BGSenTineL]

@@loveforchickennuggets6412 Yep. He is not a bad dude of what I can see, just huge ego problems. Training in the gym like bodybuilder is nothing bad, but thinking that you can perform in any sports because of that is comical. Imagine If I (who trains mainly armwrestling) goes and say - pfff MMA, I can punch those guys with ease ... after all I TRAIN MY ARMS a lot :D It is the same vibe.

[@loveforchickennuggets6412]

@@BGSenTineL he sounds like bradley martin “hey professional fighter can you beat me in a fight? And Im also 260 lbs”

[@dodumichalcevski]

Football allows using the entire body Soccer allows using the entire body Handball allows using the entire body But Armwrestling should be static only rotation of the shoulder Awesome logic

[@rushgush]

i wanna see a pure arm wrestling match. zero body movement. just using your arm. i wonder if it would increase injuries though.

[@KAMNC]

Corey West should be champion because he weighs more than Levan. Change my mind

[@valexoy2037]

Corey is a fat guy with no technique , Levan is a smart athlete , and their weights are literally so close

[@hectorlopez6167]

Yea but he’s not nearly as strong as Levan. It’s a combo of strength, body weight and knowing how to armwrestle

[@rainblue8005]

no one ever complains about corey west but a lot of people complain about levan using his weight. So funny even that corey weighs around 200kg

[@theb.f.g9927]

grate videos guys I hear this alot from none armwrestlers , and its BS . How on earth can folks that don't participate in the sport question the rules regarding the use body weight . The only people that think it's cheating are none armwrestlers so that should speak for it's self lmfao

[@TheJohnbusi]

Welcome to Internet, where everyone with lower IQ think he's better at something even if he knows nothing about it!

[@infxnite4431]

Idiots are always the ones who think they're smart but actually aren't, which is why they're always so quick to bark about "bodyweight is cheating 😭" or "using legs for leverage??" Or whatever, even though they dont know anything of how it works.

[@joeltrowe5155]

Why would someone even thought using your bodyweight is cheating? Unless he knows nothing about the sport. You are using everything you got as long as it's within the rules.

[@bartoszpienkosz7827]

They don't know the rules

[@GerardKieran]

Because they're weak and can't even fathom having to shift the bodyweight to apply power

[@romangorokhov6559]

6:04 I'm surprised that Ray has longer forearm than Janis

[@Sumppa]

it's usually just low IQ problem with people who comment those things about stuff they don't know anything of. There are always few among ten thousand who are like that and because those 9950 say nothing at all, we only take on with those stupid comments. Sometimes video even explains whole situation of subject and still comments keep coming. Gotta remember 50% of people are below average iq

[@ANMIV517]

After Engin you guys are a close second to depth thank you both 🙏🏻

[@mikedumas2901]

Awesome break downs guys love your show

[@DrewBahr]

Countless times I’ve showed people my competition matches and they say, isn’t holding a handle and using body weight cheating, no that’s armwrestling

[@shadez2921]

I think it´s a culture thing. Everytime armwrestling happens both put one hand behind their backs and if viewers see anybody leaning to much to the side they call it out. But even like this, the sport is very entertaining to watch. They should give it a fitting name.

[@ldarm]

A lot of non-armwrestlers don't know enough to know they are wrong. Dunning Kruger effect plain as day I think.

[@christsang9728]

If no one used bodyweight, it would blast out everyone's rotator cuff and humerus. Without using your weight, you cant safely pin the opponent. It would look like school arm wrestling.

[@diego_solis]

Unfortunately none of those who criticise Gabi on MrBeast video are going to watch this

[@armwrestlingfan6804]

Elbow in the air is the worst and allowed just because "it's above the pad" yeah but it's also reaching nirvana

[@dipendermaan1315]

Its only cheating when someone's favourite armwrestler lose😂.

[@StevenRayW]

IMO, there's nothing wrong with using your bodyweight -- as long as you don't go under the table like in the queen's move.

[@bartoszpienkosz7827]

Well... you go under the table in a toproll 😅

[@bartoszpienkosz7827]

Well... you go under the table in a toproll 😅

[@StevenRayW]

@@bartoszpienkosz7827 What I mean is there should be a rule on how low you are allowed to go. Pulling with almost the entire upper body under the table is just cheating and ugly to watch.

[@lsb2623]

coach wrote the answer on his arm...

[@RDS_Armwrestling]

It's not cheating lol

[@liverpoolarmwrsetling]

Great to see the British sit down nationals 👏

[@JimmmyDJ]

I have a question. How do I prevent something happening like my arms not straightening from arm wrestling like Devon larratt for example cause I’m still young and doing light training and don’t want that to happen. Would partial exceeded contribute to that?

[@MrEKOPriest]

Incorporate Full ROM presses in your arm wrestling/weight training routine.

[@JimmmyDJ]

@@MrEKOPriest thanks :) does that mean stop doing partial training altogether or just add in the full range of motion excerises like full range of motion bicep curls?

[@CsJ1xddddd]

​@@JimmmyDJyou can do both generally partial ROM will make you stronger but the main point is to stretch ur tendons after every workout to make sure it stays in the correct position and stretch before a workout, after a match too and you should be good also p.s a bent arm is alot better than a straight arm bc u can have a bonelock which prevents you from getting pinned but up to you😁

[@JimmmyDJ]

@@CsJ1xddddd thanks a lot. Sorry if this sounds silly how exactly should I stretch my tendons - like putting them straight in front of me then stretching?

[@CsJ1xddddd]

@@JimmmyDJ That works you can look up some stretches too for better ones im not too smart on the topic

[@AJL71]

Is there one where they actually only use there arms and not this Way?

[@ramenaw]

People see the body move and are quick to call cheating on it. But they fail to realize that we don't use body weight in any way to gain advantage. Except for maybe a very heavy flop presser who is falling onto their opponents arm! 😂 We are merely "moving" our body alongside/with our arm to maintain good and SAFE position and technique. Their is no body weight advantage! Except of course in terms of a heavier person perhaps having a stronger arm in general. I get my friends calling me out for cheating with body weight. So i do this with them. I slowly slowly work my way through a basic toproll against them and ask, "Am i usijg my body weight now?" And take the move a little further "How about now?" "Are both of my feet still on the ground? Am i hanging off of the table? No." I think it is perhaps the stigma of going sideways that leads people to believe you can throw your body sideways to overpower. Its definitely frustrating when people call it cheating! It feels like it takes away from all the hard work we've put in to be able to toy with friends on the arm wrestling table like that! It feels very undermining to have all of our knowledge and technical aspects reduced to lousy cheating.. and dont get me started on people that claim bending your wrist is cheating 😭 but anyways! I am a very amateur arm wrestler who still can't beat my older gym going brother, who practically uses all side pressure :( so its hard for me to claim i know much about the sport! But these are just my thoughts on a frustrating part of a great sport!!

[@RHCP1]

Using body weight is cheating??? HAHAHA, that's like saying, using your body in any footrace is cheating. Ridiculous Rollie.😮

[@cbongiova]

When you are a dumb kid you are told to only use your arm, not leaning, no pronation, no hooking, nothing. This is what a person that doesn’t know anything about arm wrestling think is allowed.

[@kirkvj8330]

Same to Pros in boxing they use the body to generate a powerful punch

[@schoolcastle5880]

I don't understand 1.35 I will leave comment here and come back to it later.

[@Vj-mi7fi]

Body weight is a cheat that’s why we have weight categories. In seated arm wrestling we restrict it mostly only to arm that’s why I see it as the actual arm wrestling . But have it’s pros and cons .

[@007MegaRoll]

of course

[@pepepepito7824]

weight division fix bodyweight

[@tablecombataw6716]

Those saying you can't body in arm wrestling think arm wrestling is body building 😂

[@ericlinville564]

What really sucks to realize is mrbeast could be the best thing to expose armwrestling to more people. I just threw up in my own mouth

[@Aizetone]

Если не использовать вес тела, а бороться только руками, то при более менее равных соперниках поединок может длиться несколько часов. Победит тот у кого больше терпения или даже будет ничья. Да и намного более слабый сможет очень долго сопротивляться.

[@diobrando7759]

Is there a quick link on how to arm wrestling safe

[@SlumsofShaolin]

there's a lot of videos on youtube from different people. Watch a few.

[@pablojimenez5736]

It is very easy to be in a "break humerus" position: you are pulling forward engaging your elbow and suddenly, you opponent, is bringing you back, so, two opposite forces, creating a twisting force in the humerus. If you don't go back with your arm, "crack" and that is it.....expensive fixing in America with the cost of health Arm wrestling is not really a valuable sport, but just a training sport for not competing. Is as you are a great swimmer, but will you jump inside a whirpool? By the way in you video cover Levan went (purposedly) to break Devon arm, but didn't do more than a biceps tearing, because Devon is "holding", not puilling

[@LykeArgy]

2:23 i mean yeah, but watching alot of these top guys, they get SO MANY INJURIES, not breaks , but alot of tears/mini tears , in arms , shoulders, even chest

[@copicmarker1021]

That has more to do with their absurd training volume and intensity than anything else.

[@gavinthompson7270]

“Arm” wrestling not a body weight gig”

[@steffanofumo]

I mean according to the comments Devon the multiple time world champion who’s arms are barely hold together by spit because of injuries, now at the tail and of his career should completely change the way he trains and switch to conventional lifting because he’s doing it all wrong, people are hilarious 😂😂😂

[@archdawg5688]

Am I the only one who prefer sit down Arm wrestling?

[@thefreeencyclopedia7244]

To me that's the only way to do it

[@ermeriodsassperini]

Hey coach, you didn't know that? There are a lot of high-level arm wrestlers in the comment section. If you're looking for talent, it's right there in your comment section.

[@Henry-m7o]

Your a good man ray 💪💪

[@perrytomassini8331]

Absolutely A Guy can have good strength and be a good arm restler but if he can factor in the how to use body weight LIKE LEVON It's a NO Brainerd don't think so take two guys equal skills equal strength and technique but one is 150 pounds heavier. Game Over!

[@thedrew24]

KZbin algorithm boosting comment 💪 ... Ray would win more if he had more body weight 😜

[@alexalx182]

Instructions unclear, I broke my grandma's arm :S

[@ditarmemedi309]

why should we pay attention to those who have no idea abt AW. AW is not for everyone. Go watch football or smth else.

[@itaitu6284]

Using bodyweight is cheating?? You are joking😜😜😜😜😜

[@mystera4610]

based on what those said, football is just about playing the ball with your feet. No glutes, hamstring, body, head, chest, hip, legs, arms should be used cause that is cheating. Clown take

[@John_Gilbert]

Many Sport have this so called "trick" that giving whoever that do it some advantages against people who don't. Some called it cheating some called it technique. For me personally armwrestling means stand straight, elbow on mat, and try beat opponent with muscle of my hand to shoulder. No body movement, king move bla bla. Just simple "arm" wrestling

[@MrEKOPriest]

Enjoy tearing up your elbow, then.

[@Pasq94]

This is not a trick or anything else. It is the nature of the sport (if you don't want to get hurt). If u still cannot understand it after this video then you have no hope. Just enjoy your spiral fracture, she will come sooner than later.

[@John_Gilbert]

@@Pasq94 if it's not a trick etc. Why pro armwrestler discuss how and which technique to use for gaining advantage? King move is not to prevent ur arm to tear, it's defensive technique, by using ur body weight. And those who using these technique also not immune to muscle tear or any other injuries. Every sport has chance to get injured

[@SlumsofShaolin]

"For me personally armwrestling means stand straight, elbow on mat, and try beat opponent with muscle of my hand to shoulder." That just makes you shit at Armwrestling. it's not cheap or cheating, it means you're bad at Armwrestling. You can throw a ball like an uncoordinated toddler, or throw it like a professional, being smart and using your muscles correctly isn't cheating.

[@John_Gilbert]

@@SlumsofShaolin so every pro armwrestler who doesn't use King move are toddler and stupid? Don't get derailed about my personal opinion, we still discussing this "tech"

[@panikpas]

If one shoulder goes under the table offensively or defensively, it's cheating.

[@LagiaArm]

Why the fuck would anyone ever put their elbow under the table lmao

[@panikpas]

@@LagiaArm, sorry I meant shoulder, it's corrected

[@RevoltFeed]

@@panikpas wtf is wrong with you, educate yourself, don't talk nonsense

[@tengodoli]

Wrong, when toprolling you can't finish without getting shoulder below the table

[@LagiaArm]

​@@panikpas Ok that is more arguable than the elbow, but still not fully true

[@Sinkatze]

You guys are cheating in this video though, youre using your body

[@nickthetoycollector3360]

If it's so dangerous, then why do it?

[@justsomeguywithafacemask956]

Danger rises when don't doit this way.

[@SlumsofShaolin]

If you drive a car headfirst into traffic, it's dangerous. If you drive correctly, it is significantly less dangerous. If you armwrestle in a way that will break your arm, you will break it. If you don't, then you are safe.

[@zufarashim9228]

Bruhh

[@florkiler6242]

what hte hell the one in the white shirt is totally cheating arm wrestling is not what us used to be

[@LagiaArm]

Thank you for the information

[@jamesoflaherty7332]

Troll or dumb?

[@florkiler6242]

@@jamesoflaherty7332 bruh

[@thewintersoda2193]

both@@jamesoflaherty7332

[@infxnite4431]

​@@jamesoflaherty7332Bro is definitely a mixture of both

[@POLITICALYCORRECTify]

Omg YOU SHOW LEVAN PINNING HIM N YOU HAVE THE NERVE TO SAY IS THAT CHEATING. AGAINST DEVON FFS, WHY DIDNT YOU SHOW DEVONS KINGSMOVE, THATS CHEATING. TUG OF WAR AGAINST AN ARM.

[@voiceofarmwrestling]

Thank You for not watching the video.

[@pietro750]

When Levan sits under the table in winning position is still king's move. Change my mind.

[@iliketocomment8144]

Watch Engin his whole body is forward under the table trying to get a pin as he goes to the side in a lot of his matches.

[@TimmyTurner421]

You guys know nothing 😄

[@iliketocomment8144]

@@TimmyTurner421 What don’t I know little Timmy Turner? Elaborate!

[@iliketocomment8144]

@@TimmyTurner421 I’ll put it this way I’ve seen Engin Terzi hang like a little monkey below and on the side of the table with all his body weight trying to get a pin. Head, shoulder, and chin dipping underneath the table using all his body weight on a guys arm. I don’t care but for him to have ever said anything about the kings move with his technique is absolutely ridiculous because he hangs down there underneath as well. 😆

[@LagiaArm]

What is "king's move" then? Give us your definition