Using the THIN RIP GUIDES On The RIDICULOUSLY Cheap BANGGOOD PARALLEL GUIDES - Not To Miss - Vid#80

[@coffeecakecharlie]

Just got these for 65 on flash sale. Hoping for good things!

[@thelondoncraftsmanworkshop]

You won't regret them! They work amazingly with my makite track and are amazing for the money!!! 👍

[@edish7967]

You can push the rod back , flip the stoppers down and push the rod again ,the disassembly is not necessary

[@pinkplonker8776]

I made my own and I deliberately didn’t put any measuring tape on them. I use a steel rule to set the depth of cut on one guide and the put the two guides together and set them the same. It’s more important that they are set the same. Half a mm out isn’t a problem as long as they are parallel.

[@mrworm1]

I just bought this. To do my calibration I used a long metric ruler placed under and butted up beside the track guide so I could align the scale exactly. Love the video. Great work.

[@thelondoncraftsmanworkshop]

Amazing, great way 👍👍👍 These are one of my favourite purchases, if not my favourite ☺️👍 Cheers ryan

[@petec1050]

See the benefits in these for bigger repetitive rips rips say breaking a sheet down into the 400mm lengths to be cross cut into 600mm carcass sides but much like every other PG system out there they are not great for thin rips (I’ve owned the Festool PG set in the past) Best way I’ve found is to use a decent combi square and a pair off waste side jigs which cost under a tenner. If you want speed to this process just add a rail square to the equation.

[@cheek1m0nkey]

Thanks Pete, this might be worth a video.

[@trokt2]

I agree and imo for thin rips the best way is to use a table saw.

[@Melog01]

Hi, nice video. One feedback - do not put your hand on the guide rail behind the saw. I have seen one accident. I case of kickback the saw will reach your hand. 8f you need to hold the guide, do it in front of the saw and newer behind. Once again, thanks for the product description

[@thelondoncraftsmanworkshop]

Thank you! And thank you for the advice, its kind of you to say 👍

[@rojer9542]

I wish you could post photos here, I’ve got the kerf marks in my track from kickback. I’m certainly glad my hand wasn’t behind the saw when that happened.

[@dymarke]

I really appreciate your information, very helpful. I wonder if you have any suggestions for my biggest track saw challenge. I make folded box shelves with the most common being 3" thick so I need to cut 3" strips that are 45'd on both sides and sometimes both ends. I have yet to find, 1st a good way to set up for these cuts, 2nd a repeatable set up. The sharp edge of the 45 doesn't reliably hit a stop often sliding up a little past it and that edge is fragile and easily damaged. Any thoughts would be really helpful. Thank you

[@thelondoncraftsmanworkshop]

That's ok, I think the best way with that would be to do it without the guides. Just put the track on the piece up against a line you draw on and cut. You may have to use some offcuts to pack up the track at the back but other than that I'm not sure what else you could do, unless you have a table saw

[@dymarke]

@@thelondoncraftsmanworkshop That's the best I've come up with so far too. Thank you for the input.

[@thelondoncraftsmanworkshop]

You're welcome and good luck!

[@apanoiu]

For thin strips, the board is not fixed to the rail, the rubber does not sit on the board. How do you manage this issue?

[@thelondoncraftsmanworkshop]

I cant remember, sorry, not used it for thin rips since making the video Thanks Ryan

[@williamdyer4431]

I have Dewalt Track. Is there a way to either modify the guides or the track to work with my Dewalt? Dewalt track doesn't have a grove/channel for these guides to fit in

[@sequoiaanderson5789]

hey, kind of a weird unrelated question, but what are the rough dimensions of your shop?

[@thelondoncraftsmanworkshop]

The workshop side is about 9 x 4.5m I believe 👍

[@whomadethatsaltysoup]

Again thanks for sharing! I took the plunge and placed an order. At £85, as you said elsewhere, cheaper than a night on the tiles.. I just don't get the whole 'China bad' argument. I think we'd be chucking out most of our tools - regardless of colour - along with pretty much all our other gizmos and gadgets if we went along with that. Okay, I do understand that we are dealing here specifically with a classic knock off, but we didn't create the world we now live in, where we are no longer capable of manufacturing paper masks, and most of us don't even remember how to spell apprenticeship. I'm looking forward to comparing with the Benchdogs version. And if it's anything like the quality of the dowel jig, which is the absolute dolly's knickers, I won't be disappointed.

[@propertymaintenancesouthwe3111]

Agree with everything you said, and I would imagine the towel jig would take up a lot more storage room than the dowel jig ? 😂👍

[@whomadethatsaltysoup]

Aye, you could be on to something there! 🤣... That's the second time I've been waffling on about 'towels'.

[@propertymaintenancesouthwe3111]

Im same pal, I've got a city & guilds in waffling 🤣😂

[@Mohammed-uq8yh]

Does work with evolution guide rail?

[@thelondoncraftsmanworkshop]

I am not sure

[@RpR_Makes]

My parallel rails arrived yesterday along with squares and clamps. Looking forward to your set up next week and for the UK weather to warm up before I can set mine up. Could you do a review of the guide rail square as that is sitting in my cart at the moment but gets mixed reviews over accuracy. Great video series Ryan.

[@theofarmmanager267]

I can possibly help. I’m talking here about the Festool parallel rails (I wouldn’t have bought them if the Veiko ones were available at the time) but you really only need to set it all up once. Having said that, I do regularly check mine (on the piece I’ve just cut) to make sure there is no wandering. The Banggood tracksaw square. I am presuming you mean the bright aluminium ones that are about £24? If so, I have 2 of them. Bought 2 so that I could use one each side of the panel I’m cutting to maintain squareness both sides. Having said that, I probably won’t use them in that way. Anyway, my 2 were as accurate as I want them to be. Using the test that was for ordinary square (lay down one way, pencil the cut line; reverse the square and pencil line that way; ideally, both lines should be parallel to each other) my 2 were less than 1mm out of square over the 1400mm length of the Festool track saw. That’s small enough to be my error with the pencils. I was buying Banggood maybe 5 years ago? I was very sceptical at first but took the chance and have never had anything sufficiently inaccurate to be an issue. I keep/kept a Woodpeckers large square as my reference square for all others; still got it but I found that, with Banggood, I don’t need it. I’m quite happy to believe that others have had bad stuff. I’ve certainly had non- woodworking stuff from Banggood or AliExpress which is just not right but, so far, I’ve been lucky on woodworking stuff. At one point, I did look at buying some quite big woodworking machinery from one of them. It was buying direct from the factory; was a lot of money but still cheaper than retailers over here. I didn’t do it because I figured it was too much of a gamble for several thousands of pounds; I would buy from Axminster or Woodworkers Workshop etc. because you do get excellent service and no-quibble replacement. Hope that helps

[@thelondoncraftsmanworkshop]

Great input theo thanks! I've not used my square yet but will do soon 👍

[@DavidLee-cw6ci]

I bought one of these and have assembled. Am i mad or are the numbers on top printed upside down?

[@thelondoncraftsmanworkshop]

Hu! Erm I can't remember seeing my numbers upside down... I'll have to check 🤔

[@adrian-mu3jr]

great video, have been looking at the TSO guides but can't justify the price for my needs. these look perfect.

[@thelondoncraftsmanworkshop]

They really are amazing for the money, one of my top 3 tools I've got in the workshop! They are really well made and so cheap for what that are. I use makita with them but I'm unsure about any other brands 👍

[@nialstewart8263]

How often do you have to do the calibration, once out of the box, every time you use them, when you switch from normal to thin rips? Thanks for any feedback, Nial

[@thelondoncraftsmanworkshop]

Hi nial, so far it's only needed just the once

[@deancarter4109]

What track saw do you recommend

[@thelondoncraftsmanworkshop]

Well I've knly just tried festool and makita. Festool would probably just pip the makita but the makita is alot cheaper.

[@deancarter4109]

@@thelondoncraftsmanworkshop do you have an email I can contact you on please

[@fransdebruijn99]

Also make the saw rail(track) into a very good square

[@thelondoncraftsmanworkshop]

Yes I agree, I have this ans it's amazing....

[@petergrimes7656]

Great video Ryan - especially the diagram and explanation of the setup. Took me a while to even assemble correctly. Love them though.

[@thelondoncraftsmanworkshop]

Thanks Peter! Next Sundays vid is all about assembling them, I guess I should have uploaded that first! They are amazing though forethought price aren't they?

[@georgemuff5482]

So, I picked up a set of these and am very impressed with the build quality. Especially for the price. The one exception is calibration. Like your other video, I find the wide cuts are off by about 2mm after calibrating using the bars. I can either calibrate for narrow cuts using the recommended method and remember to subtract 2mm when making wide cuts or calibrate for wide cuts and remember to add 2mm for narrow cuts. Only other option is to calibrate each time for the typ of cuts (wide or narrow). That is a bit disappointing as it would be best to only have to calibrate the heads for your track once. I am thinking I may be able to get some washers that are 2mm thickness and put them on the rod between the nut and the flip stop for calibration and take it off when using the rods for actual narrow cuts. I think that will make up the difference needed. It almost seems like the alignment of the numbers between the side and top may be off by 2mm.

[@thelondoncraftsmanworkshop]

Wise decision to buy them 👍 I didnt come across that problem but the washer idea seems like a quick and easy fix that solves both problems 👍

[@martink7777]

I exactly have the same issue, but for me it’s about 1mm difference. There may be several reasons for this and ways to correct it: The rod is too long, the plastic tip is too long, the drilled hole in the tip is not deep enough, the flip stop body is too narrow or the calibration mark and side scale are offset (unlikely). The easiest ways would be to cut or grind the plastic tip by the required amount or use washers. By the way… what is the use of the front calibration mark? It is never referenced to during calibration. It doesn’t matter where you place the front flip stop.

[@georgemuff5482]

@@martink7777 The more I use them, the more I realize I just need to calibrate the narrow rip rods each time I need to make that type of cut. I have calibrated my set through numerous cut/measure/adjust cycles and feel I have them where I want for making wider rips. I would like to keep from adjusting the head attachment any further for fear of messing that up. It seemed like just using a single 6mm stainless steel washer between the cylindrical cap and the flip stop was working but I noticed recently it is not giving me consistent results. I am thinking I may need to go to something like a clamping collar on the track side of the flip stop to gain a consistent stopping point for calibration. this would make the rods a little more finicky to install but may be worth it. Looking at something like this www.servocity.com/2910-series-aluminum-clamping-collar-6mm-id-x-19mm-od-9mm-length/

[@jojacobs4355]

I have the exact same problem! It is off by 2mm for wide cuts on my makita track! I have been thinking to make setup block to place between the track bar and the track head with the required thickness after calibration. That way I can quickly adjust the heads and I can even disassemble the heads to store away. For the thin rips I thought about glueing over a new tape measure that corrects the offset for thin rips. I thought I was the only one and I was doing sth wrong, but I am glad there are others like me so I know I’m not missing something.

[@samtheman0876534]

Great product and simple to use. Thanks for sharing it with us

[@chris-C8]

Do you still like them after two years? This video is really helpful, mainly because, at a hobby level, I can't justify the expense of the more popular brands like TSO.

[@thelondoncraftsmanworkshop]

They are still up there with my 3 best buys!! What an absolute bargain and I think they are even cheaper now. So yes we love them and I would never in a million years buy any other brand (being 3 to 4 times more expensive and these are just as good if not better) Love the track square too with angle adjustment, the links for both are in the description for you 👍👍

[@chris-C8]

@@thelondoncraftsmanworkshop Thank you!!!

[@hortonao]

Thank you! Those are the exact types of cuts I need to make. Very helpful

[@andrewneofetou818]

Any idea if these fit the mafell/ Bosch rails? Do you have a link please.

[@thelondoncraftsmanworkshop]

Hi the links are in my video description. If they didn't fit, it would only be a matter of changing the bars that slide into the track and would be able to buy them for a few pounds anywhere online. Everything else about the guides would be fine! Im sure they would fit though and we'll worth it still 100%

[@thetoolmat8632]

What if the tape measure is off a slight bit, then the scale is useless and every project would require a dial in? And test cut?

[@thelondoncraftsmanworkshop]

Well generally you dial it in once and that's it

[@samrix5793]

Cool video do you think that this would replace your table saw? Thanks for the shout out!! I should really come up with a better name

[@rubikasuto]

Is it not working out 30mm less blade thikness?

[@RpR_Makes]

Surely you only need to take blade thickness into account when you se doing a waste side cut. These cuts are 30mm under the rail like a typical MFT cut so no blade thickness is deducted.

[@andyhello23]

Nice video

[@thelondoncraftsmanworkshop]

Thank you!! Ryan

[@garethgordon9141]

Banggood update; Finally went to the app and this malfunctions badly. Originally £70 on UK site which then went to £85 but my order could not be accepted. Finally made difficult, and I mean difficult, progress with the app for shipping from the US and the price went up to $112 which is £93! All looking like a bit of a rip off at the moment. No doubt I will get a bill for import duty - wouldn't be the first time. Everybody! Be aware of the shortcomings of Banggood 😱

[@fransdebruijn99]

They sell exactly the same on Ebay, a name band which I purchased. I have avoided Banggoods as they are so very slow at sending to Australia

[@robertpelland5649]

Great video, but you really need to invest in a MIC, your sound does not reflect the quality video

[@thelondoncraftsmanworkshop]

I think I had mic issues around that period.

[@ericphilipporter5280]

Having watched your channel for a long time seeing how you raved about the parallel guild’s i ordered them to be very disappointed the tee piece will not seat properly inside the straight ruler section reported it but nothing back as yet iam not the first person to complain this seems to be a common problem I also make wardrobe/ cupboards/ units so I impressed with what you were saying so if you are thinking of buying it be careful I will let you know if they get back to me in the future

[@nialstewart8263]

Eric, how do you mean the tee piece won't seat properly? Can you get it into the slot?

[@whomadethatsaltysoup]

@@nialstewart8263 I had this problem with the Benchdogs PG. The aluminium pieces that slot into the rail were just too tight. You could get them started, but I wasn't willing to take the chance of damaging the rail. I could have filed them down to fit, but, having paid somewhere in the region of £140 for a couple of metres of T track in a cardboard tube, I didn't see why I should have to. In all fairness to the good people at Benchdogs UK, they sent me replacements within days of my contacting them. Oh, in case you are wondering, they work just fine.

[@nialstewart8263]

@@whomadethatsaltysoup Thanks for the feedback. I understand not wanting to start hacking thinks about with Benchdog support being here in the UK. If you'd taken a punt on the £80 bangood rails do you think t you could have 'persuaded' them to work ok? I'm in the middle of making some out of plywood, I'm not sure if I want to abandon this for something that should 'just work'.

[@whomadethatsaltysoup]

@@nialstewart8263 Oh, as for your question, there is no doubt I'd have been able to make it work. In the end a wee tickle with the file and some 180 grit, and they slot in nicely. I've used them to make another jig for the track. Regarding the Banggood product, all I can say is that, given they cost one sixth of the WP originals of you include tax and postage, I think we have to be a little bit more tolerant of quality control issues. Of course, nobody wants to be landed with a duffer, whatever the cost, but so far, I've been very lucky with the kit I've ordered. Like I said, the dowel jigs are outstanding, both in finish and ease of use, and I don't think it's a copy, as I've never seen anything like it. 👍

[@nialstewart8263]

@@whomadethatsaltysoup 👍 Thanks for the reply

[@dcscarpentry3913]

What's wrong with using the table saw for the thin rips?

[@thelondoncraftsmanworkshop]

Not easy when your doing a whole sheet. Also not everyone has a table saw

[@dcscarpentry3913]

👍

[@ThekiBoran]

It's impossible to avoid Chinese made products altogether, but when I have a choice I do not buy Chinese made products.

[@CJAY3.1.6]

For that price they'll pay for themselves with one job

[@terrymann7063]

No volume guys

[@thelondoncraftsmanworkshop]

Really? Doesn't it work at all for you?

[@rupertvarley2771]

@@johndwyer8481 Hi John, do your 'sliders' each have the two grub screws with which to tighten them?

[@garethgordon9141]

Banggood - What a crock of sh**t. I have wasted so much time trying to order from both your link and from a direct search. First attempt said product not available and unable to order. Second attempt product available but would not progress past the "Pay" section of the website. Third attempt tried using Firefox (I have a MacBook) and it wouldn't even recognise by email/password, Foruth attempt back to your link and same again, would not progress onto the "Pay" section. If you recommend something then please make sure that the supplier is reliable.😱

[@philipb867]

Personally I prefer the festool guide rails which this week cost me £110 and we should not be encouraging the buying of Chinese goods given the present situation and their lack of action in terms of the little rat Putin and the Ukraine invasion, these videos should now be taken down!

[@thelondoncraftsmanworkshop]

🤣🤣🤣

[@philipb867]

@@thelondoncraftsmanworkshop Not a very professional, helpful or grown up response to such a serious topic at the present time .

[@thelondoncraftsmanworkshop]

Philip....... I am making a video about a woodworking product. I think you forget where 90% of everything you own comes from... yes you guessed it....CHINA! I have NO influence AT ALL with these videos. Please, don't waste my time with your stupid comments. If you are not interested in my videos don't watch them

[@philipb867]

@@thelondoncraftsmanworkshop Yes stating the obvious does not change the situation, it is still not appropriate if no one does anything then nothing changes we ALL need to do our bit and not just shrug it off with it's not my problem I don't care attitude that you seem to have.

[@stephencave187]

Gi yer 'ead a wobble Phil 😂

[@AfricanSouthernCross]

Just way too complicated and fiddly.

[@thelondoncraftsmanworkshop]

:-) But still a great way if you dont have a table saw :-)