Using the x32 Rack as an IEM Mixer, and Stage Box for FOH

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Crazy Amazing Designs

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@CrazyAmazingDesigns
@CrazyAmazingDesigns Жыл бұрын
Have you used the x32 Rack Mixer in this way? Share with us your thoughts.
@RevJorgeDiaz
@RevJorgeDiaz 5 ай бұрын
We use our x32 Rack as our mobile mixer for outdoor events where it doesn’t make sense to bring our x32 compact. But your video got me to thinking… At front of house we have a Dante card and our X32 compact receives its inputs from the S32 digital stage box. Could we put a Dante card in the X32 rack to send all 32 channels from the front of house and use the X32 rack as our IEM console? Doing so would free up eight mix buses since we run stereo in-ears. Thoughts?
@CrazyAmazingDesigns
@CrazyAmazingDesigns 5 ай бұрын
@@RevJorgeDiaz Yes, You could use the x32 rack for IEMs, You woundn't even need a dante card in the x32 rack, just utilize AES50 between the x32s. Create a Scene for Sundays, and a scene for Mobile Sound. Then switch between them when you take the rack out of the building. You could receive audio channels from FOH, and connect 8 stereo IEMs to the x32 rack mixer. -Nathan R
@RevJorgeDiaz
@RevJorgeDiaz 5 ай бұрын
@@CrazyAmazingDesigns i appreciate your help!
@HeikkiSaari
@HeikkiSaari Жыл бұрын
Finally someone who covers this topic clear and throughout. Thank you! :) There was one thing I was missing though: Routing the FOH talkback over to X32 Rack and from there to MixBuses for the IEM and the UltraNet. :)
@CrazyAmazingDesigns
@CrazyAmazingDesigns Жыл бұрын
Glad you found the video helpful. Those other topics you mention are a little out of the realm of this video, but might be great topics for future content. I would encourage you to think through the logic of the routing you're trying to do. -Nathan
@arayapokey
@arayapokey Жыл бұрын
Excellent explanation, I appreciate the help!
@aj.holden
@aj.holden Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for this. I recently updated the firmware on my X32 that I use for running IEMs and spent hours trying to figure out how to route mix buses to outputs on my S16. Your videos have absolutely saved me 🙌
@CrazyAmazingDesigns
@CrazyAmazingDesigns Жыл бұрын
Awesome! I love hearing stuff like this, It’s the reason I create content like this. -Nathan
@bugazavr
@bugazavr 3 ай бұрын
We have 2 x32 racks. 1 for foh and 1 for iem, connected on the aes50A. The iem x32 rack is on the stage and also connected to s16 aesB on the x32 iem rack. The x32 iem is the clock source so that it can be powered on it's own with the s16 during rehearsals. We've recently started hearing loud cracking noises and the band says they dont hear it in inairs, which made me think that I should change which console sends the clock signal was thinking to put the s16 between the consoles.... But this might be related to some power issues on the foh x32 rack..
@CrazyAmazingDesigns
@CrazyAmazingDesigns 3 ай бұрын
@@bugazavr type@@bugazavrAlso, you will want to get power conditioners on those mixers. -@@bugazavr
@michaelward2054
@michaelward2054 4 ай бұрын
Thanks for this! Did you ever make a video explaining how to network and control the X32 Rack for the IEM's?
@CrazyAmazingDesigns
@CrazyAmazingDesigns 4 ай бұрын
Yes, I made a video that I looked at what Apps users should use to control the x32. I don't have any networking Specific Videos. -Nathan R kzbin.info/www/bejne/gpqVZGmqaN-dh5o
@airlinepilotonewheelguy2800
@airlinepilotonewheelguy2800 7 ай бұрын
This is fantastic. My band uses an X32 rack, usually for both FOH and IEM's, but we're going to start playing in various venues with house sound setups, using various brands of FOH mixers... Will we be able to use our X32 rack for IEM's, and send a cat5 cable to FOH mixers that are not Behringer? I hope so, because I really hate the idea of buying mic splitters and a million patch cables.
@CrazyAmazingDesigns
@CrazyAmazingDesigns 7 ай бұрын
Hi!! This is a larger conversation, You are better off with a Split Snake for this application. That way your inputs can go into your x32 rack for IEMs, and also go to FOH for the venue system. This also means that both FOH and you have independant gain control. Even if they do have an X32, they might not have the technical knowledge to re-configure there console to receive an ethernet cable with AES50. -Nathan Typically touring bands bring all there own gear to a venue. Everything from House Speakers, to a FOH console and Engineer, stage snake, IEMs, and all the gear to connect the band to the system. That or they bring just the instruments and the house provides everything. If you are visiting several venues or churches, you should ask them to send you or put together a "rider document." A rider is part of a performance contract between the artist and the venue. It typically includes all the technical and hospitality requirements that an artist or band specifies for a concert. This can cover everything from stage setup, sound and lighting requirements, to food and dressing room accommodations. This really helps with clarity, so that both parties know what's expected. Thanks for your question! -Nathan R
@scottmurdock7950
@scottmurdock7950 17 күн бұрын
Hi Nathan, Thanks for the video it does explain a lot but I do have a few concerns before my band purchases an x32 rack. I am in a 10 piece band with the ever rotating sound person to mix us at an event. I am the sax player but have become the tech guy, the repair guy (have you ever re coned a subwoofer, lol ), problem solver and anything else that might come up, lol. I have also mixed as I was playing my horn when in a pinch, smh. I know a great deal about our system and the x32 but I am trying to figure out if adding an x32 rack will solve a major problem we are having(see below). We have a x32 full console and an s32 stage box in our monitor rack. The x32 console sits on top of our amp rack and the local outs of 14,15, 16 go to L,R and sub amps in the rack. I have been meaning to take a pic of how everything is routed on the x32 to the stage box but I think its simple layout. I think the local 16outs of the x32 are also doubled on the s32 stage box, the effect busses are in that mix too I think. All of the instruments get plugged the inputs of the s32. All of our IEM are in mono mode and each side of them is connect to a different out on the s32 for a different musician's IEM. The major problem we are having is when a sound guy comes in and changes the gain, eq or compression on the x32 it then affects the IEM of the different musicians. We are pretty dialed in with our sound but want to get to that next step where changes that a sound guys makes will not change or alter the ears. Will adding an x32 rack help or hinder us? Is it even possible given that we already have a full console x32 and an s32 stagebox. If the console is in charge of the head amp will there be enough trim room for the musician to have control if the gain does get changed by a sound guy. Can the musicians adjust the trim within the IEM app (MX-Q) or does that have to be done on the front of the x32 rack? Can we pretty much keep everything wired the same and connected to the s32? Can we basically just add an aes50 cable to connect the 3 behringer pieces together? Do we load the scene that we have for the x32 into the x32 rack to help with getting up and running quickly with just changing some of the routing in the x32 rack or do we have to start from scratch? Which one should be the slave the rack or console? Will the x32 rack still use the WiFi router we already have setup in the x32 console case or will it have to have to be moved and connected to the x32 rack or will the rack need its own separate one? I guess when the musicians use the IEM app (MX-Q or equivelent) on their phone or ipad they will have to delete the x32 console ip and use the ip address of the new x32 rack to make their changes to their ears. Sorry if this is too long, I just want to make sure it will be an upgrade of value and not a waste of money and cause more issues than its worth. Thanks -Scott
@CrazyAmazingDesigns
@CrazyAmazingDesigns 16 күн бұрын
Hi Scott, The Pre-Amps should be set by FOH, but then that will affect the x32 rack. Often people will use Split Snakes with separate stage boxes to keep the monitors and FOH Pre-Amps able to be unique. Yes, the band would connect to the IP address of the X32-Rack. Yes, the rack would also connect to the network. AES50 would connect from the A port on the full console, to the A port on the rack, then the Stage box would connect from B port on the rack to the A port on the stage box. -Nathan R
@charlo17
@charlo17 Жыл бұрын
Great video. I will need help setting up mines.
@CrazyAmazingDesigns
@CrazyAmazingDesigns Жыл бұрын
I do offer Training via Zoom at CrazyAmazingDesigns.com :) -Nathan
@racistoreo
@racistoreo Ай бұрын
Hello, is there a reason you didn't use the onboard ins and outs of the X32 rack to avoid using the SD8 or SD16?
@CrazyAmazingDesigns
@CrazyAmazingDesigns Ай бұрын
Nope. I like to use the "LOCAL ports" on the X32 Rack for Wireless Receivers and IEM transmitters inside the rack, reserving the front ports for External Connections. Also, If you have a S32, or DL16 then you have MIDAS Pre-Amps which are better, so it would be best to connect to those ports first before connecting to the ports on the back of the x32 rack. -Nathan R
@racistoreo
@racistoreo Ай бұрын
@CrazyAmazingDesigns cheers, thank you.
@Threedaysextension
@Threedaysextension 8 ай бұрын
Hi! Thanks for this video. Are able to make a simpler version. Our church is trying to set up X32 Rack with HA8000. Just need to know routing and set up individual mixes without touching FOH mix. Thanks
@CrazyAmazingDesigns
@CrazyAmazingDesigns 8 ай бұрын
Hi! I do have 2 other videos that look more in depth at Local and AES50 routing. -Nathan R
@Dim_moon
@Dim_moon 2 ай бұрын
Hi! Thank you for this tutorial! I have watched this video, but it still leaves me a bit confused. So maybe you could help me. We have x32 console and s32 stage box, and currently we are using 10 of 16 buses for our IEM, which kind of a lot. Now we want to buy another x32 rack for small "outdoor" events, but also I think it would be great if we could use it in pair with our main x32 console for our IEM, so we can free our FOH x32 Buses to be assigned for group channel editing, more fx, etc.. But since x32 rack version has only 8 outputs, i wonder is it possible to connect and route things the way we can use 10 outputs of our stage box assigned from x32rack for IEMs, and another 4 outputs (on same stage box) routed from our FOH x32 to connect our PA (L,R, Center, Sub). Will it work this way? P.s. Sorry for my bad English, I hope I make it clear.
@CrazyAmazingDesigns
@CrazyAmazingDesigns 2 ай бұрын
Yes, what you want to do should work. I imagine you will connect your stage boxes to the x32 rack, so that means on the AES50-A tab on the rack mixer. Which is where Outs are assigned to the stage boxes. Here you will assign USER OUTS, then on the 16 USER OUTS, assign sources from the X32 at FOH, as well as from the stage box. This gets a bit confusing over text, so depending on your experience level, when you get the new x32 rack. It might be a good idea to budget in a Zoom meeting to hae me help get all the routing setup. I know how stressful this routing can be. Schedule a time on my calendar at "CrazyAmazingDesigns.com/training" that might be a good idea. -Nathan R
@Laszlo12
@Laszlo12 3 ай бұрын
Hey Nathan. Thanks for the video. I was wondering. We are using the x32 rack on stage with our shows. And I am wondering how can I get the most out of it? I have a feeling I haven’t unlocked its full potential on quality for our IEM system. We run multiple Sennheiser EW G4 systems with it and we have 3x 6 driver in ears but the audio quality isn’t what I would thought it would be. Do you have some tips on things I could check? Like EQs, or whatsoever? To make us sound better on audio quality in ear? Thanks.
@CrazyAmazingDesigns
@CrazyAmazingDesigns 3 ай бұрын
Hi Laszlo, Of course things need to be processed well so that the channels sound good. Probably the biggest thing is, Make sure your Gain Structure is set well. Then watch all of Drew Brashlers YT videos to get better at mixing. -Nathan R
@OurBackwoodsHomestead
@OurBackwoodsHomestead 3 ай бұрын
I was thinking of using this just for my monitor mixes in the studio. I don't need it for recording, as I have 2 Focusrite interfaces total 16 pres. Would this work using it this way? I only have 6 channel analog headphone amp. I think using the app my players could just each monitor mixes on their phones.
@CrazyAmazingDesigns
@CrazyAmazingDesigns 3 ай бұрын
Hi, Yes the x32 rack would work for that. Use a Split Snake to split the channels between the Focusrite interfaces, and the x32 rack. You could also use the x32 rack as the interface and bypass the Focusrite interfaces. Then setup Mixbus outputs or use p16s for anyone in the studio. -Nathan R
@ConorITC
@ConorITC Жыл бұрын
Thank you for a very informative video. In this set up is it possible for both the x32 compact and x32 rack to have independent gain control?
@CrazyAmazingDesigns
@CrazyAmazingDesigns Жыл бұрын
No, because that's not possible. Two mixing consoles receiving inputs from the same stage box can't have independent gain controls. You can set it up so both mixers can adjust the gain, but they won't have independent control. -Nathan Robb
@incaroads001
@incaroads001 11 ай бұрын
I don't currently use one of these, but I seem to recall that the XR18 software allows you to lock the performers out of the main mix and restrict them to their own sub-mix for in-ear monitors. Wouldn't that solve the problem of a performer accidentally adjusting the main mix? Perhaps the software for the X32 does not have this lock-out function. Buying and additional rack unit just for monitor mixes is not only costly but also complicates the setup. Additionally, Since you're passing audio via AES from the rack to the main mixer, isn't there a chance that your main mix might go out (e.g. broken digital cable) and leave the monitor mix in place? It seems like you should be feeding everything directly to the main console and then feeding from there to the monitor mix in the rack. Losing the monitor mix is one thing. Losing the front of house is another. What have I missed?
@CrazyAmazingDesigns
@CrazyAmazingDesigns 11 ай бұрын
Hi, I’ve never used the XR18 but there are ways around this issue. The MX-Q app allows for MixBus control of a console without allowing control of the main mix. What you are saying about loosing the monitor mixer vs foh console makes sense. However I have used this setup a lot and not had issues. I’ve used the monitor console as an audio interface for the tracks machine, IEMs, Passthrough for the PA. After service In our mobile setup, I switch scenes and use the x32 rack to play music in the PA, so as we unplug FOH we can still play music till the last speaker goes out. Basically If that x32 rack goes down, there will be solid issues and I have chosen that this is not something I will avoid. Thanks for watching my video and sharing your thoughts. -Nathan R
@incaroads001
@incaroads001 11 ай бұрын
@@CrazyAmazingDesigns thank you for answering. God bless.
@bugazavr
@bugazavr 3 ай бұрын
How are you sending the LR, sub from FoH? Does it come out of the stage boxes or the x32 rack?
@CrazyAmazingDesigns
@CrazyAmazingDesigns 3 ай бұрын
@@bugazavr It comes from wherever it needs to. I send the Main L/R to the Matrix, then send the matrix to the outputs.
@patrickjud4399
@patrickjud4399 9 ай бұрын
Hello! Thanks for the Video…. buuut i‘m confused….. why do u change the user output 1-4 to ouput 9 to 12 ….. i don’t use the Outputs from my s16 i want to use every output from my rack as a monitor 1/2 stereo IEM 3/4 stereo IEM 5 mono IEM 6 mono IEM 7 floor wedge 8 floor wedge output 7 & 8 from my SD8 are L/R Main
@CrazyAmazingDesigns
@CrazyAmazingDesigns 9 ай бұрын
You can use Output connector 7/8 on your SD8 to send Main L/R. If you want to still use your MixBus 7&8, then you need to route those to different XLR out ports. This can be easily done through the "USER OUTs". Email me if you want to talk about it more, or book a time on my calendar to connect over Zoom. -Nathan R :)
@carlijordaan4715
@carlijordaan4715 Жыл бұрын
Hi. I'd like some advice. We use a X32 Rack only with s32 stage box. With only the MX32 App for mixing. I've been trying to figure out the routing since we added the s32 but I cannot seem to get my head around it. Both the rack and the s32 is on stage. I'd like to use all the outputs but they should not mirror, for example, I want to use all the 8 outputs on the rack plus the additional 16 from the s32 without them mirroring. Thus making it 24 output channels all together available. These is what I'd like to achieve by importance (we struggle most with IEMs) 1st - I would like to use the the first 8 outputs on my S32 for IEMs mixbuses (because we have an 8 channel amplifier, for the IEMs attached to our S32). 2ndly our Mains LR, runs from the Rack channel 7-8. (I don't mind where it runs from, but that is whete it currently is) 3rdly we have our Live Stream running from the Rack too, from the Aux out (RCA) channel 5 and 6 which will also be a mix bus. 4thly depending on what's left and we want all the rest to be Extra IEMs. My understanding is: I'd only need 2 mixbuses for FX. If I only have 16, then that would mean there is 14 left. 2 will be for the Livestream(Aux RCA 5-6), leaving 12 left for IEMs right? So we will have: 8 IEMs with the Amplifier 4 IEMs without 2 Mixbuses for Live streaming 2 FX mixbuses Making it 16 Mixbuses altogether. So if I had 24 outputs altogether and 16 goes to mixbuses. Then there would be 8 left right? So my outputs would look like this 16 Mixbuses 2 for Main LR THUS, having 6 outputs left altogether right? Okay so how can I route all this correctly?
@CrazyAmazingDesigns
@CrazyAmazingDesigns Жыл бұрын
Hi, The x32 Rack can do 16 MixBus outputs even with the 24 available output connectors. If you only need 2 Mixbus for effects then you only have 14 unique mono mixbus available for IEMs, or 7 Stereo.

 Nathan
@wohnermedia
@wohnermedia 9 ай бұрын
Can you really control the Preamps of the S32/DL32 and SD8 from FOH (through x32 Rack) with one single Cat cable to FOH?
@CrazyAmazingDesigns
@CrazyAmazingDesigns 9 ай бұрын
Yes you can control the x32 rack Pre-Amps on Stage from an x32 at FOH. As for a Stage Box connected to the x32 rack, you'd have to test it. I think so though, the x32 rack can be setup to control the stage box and the x32 at FOH controls the x32 rack. -Nathan R
@wohnermedia
@wohnermedia 9 ай бұрын
@@CrazyAmazingDesigns Thanks for your answer! You say I'd have to test it, but isn't that what you show in the video? Or did I misunderstand something?
@pickinandgrinnin
@pickinandgrinnin Жыл бұрын
Does the FOH mixer need to be a Behringer/Midas to receive the sends via AES50? Are there any other consoles that receive this protocol?
@CrazyAmazingDesigns
@CrazyAmazingDesigns Жыл бұрын
Only the X32 and M32 series devices do AES50.
@onlinegee
@onlinegee Жыл бұрын
Hello. thx for the cool Video. I have only 1 question @CrazyAmazingDesings, whats your way to send L&R from FOH Desk to the Stagebox? Digital or analog?
@CrazyAmazingDesigns
@CrazyAmazingDesigns Жыл бұрын
Hi, We use the AES50 Protocol with a Digital Stage Box to send I/O from the stage. Also a Dante digital audio network is something we use. Nathan
@noelbulls8628
@noelbulls8628 3 ай бұрын
From what I figured out following this video Left and Right outputs are coming out analog from FOH board. I’m still trying to figure how to send them out. I kinda like sending them analog from the FOH. Everything is working just fine. Good video men!
@love2cad
@love2cad Жыл бұрын
Is possible to use the X32 Rack as a means to offload both in ear outputs and mic inputs to free up space on the main console? We have run into a situation where need a few more channels for instruments and my thought is to use the Rack to provide a mixed mono or stereo signal back for house mixing.
@CrazyAmazingDesigns
@CrazyAmazingDesigns Жыл бұрын
Hi! The x32 Rack is capable of 16 Mixbus outputs, so you could take the same inputs from the main console and let the band mix their IEMs. The x32 Rack works really well for that. -Nathan Email me if you still are having issues, YT didn't show me this comment until I hunted for it.
@BjorgenEatinger
@BjorgenEatinger 7 ай бұрын
There is only 1 problem with this (or so I think). Since you are using the X32 as your "stage box", and it only has 16 input channels, only those 16 inputs can be used for the monitor mix. The other 16 channels of the 32 total would not be usable. That's why it's probably better to go ahead and include a DL32 in the rack as well, so that you can get ANY channel, including the AUXs into the monitor mixes.
@CrazyAmazingDesigns
@CrazyAmazingDesigns 7 ай бұрын
The DL32 is a nice upgrade because it’s Midas and has the better Pre-Amps. The goal of this video is to show how the routing is done, you can easily add more inputs or change the setup to use a DL32 or a DL16 and still use the 16 from the x32 rack. That’s a nice setup, so you can keep the wireless mic connections in the back of the rack. -Nathan R
@georgeogrady449
@georgeogrady449 3 ай бұрын
Wait for price to go down
@CrazyAmazingDesigns
@CrazyAmazingDesigns 3 ай бұрын
@@georgeogrady449 The Price on the x32 rack is currently half what it was, I’m so annoyed about it. Bought 2 in the past year and could have had 4. -Nathan R
@DrumPeearl
@DrumPeearl 10 ай бұрын
kzbin.info/www/bejne/eKq1aauwYq2ViNU If there are2 stereo wireless in ears transmitters they are plugged directly to the 1to4outputs into the rack, why did you select USER -1-4 and 5 to 8 ?
@CrazyAmazingDesigns
@CrazyAmazingDesigns 10 ай бұрын
Because then I have more options, more flexibility. For example, I don't have to use Outputs 1/2 and 3/4. I could use 5/6, 7/8 if I wanted to. -Nathan R
@xntricity6446
@xntricity6446 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for this breakdown. This may interest you also, Kebu uses this as his central mixer for stage performance kzbin.info/www/bejne/gKC1YYF8pc9gjZY
@boallmon324
@boallmon324 Жыл бұрын
Sounds very confusing
@CrazyAmazingDesigns
@CrazyAmazingDesigns Жыл бұрын
It sure can be. What questions do you have?
@Keyzpleez
@Keyzpleez Ай бұрын
Behringer is ok for trained sound personnel, anyone else would be wasting their money.
@CrazyAmazingDesigns
@CrazyAmazingDesigns Ай бұрын
All Software & Platforms are Impossible without training. Every Video game, Lots of Apps, force players into the basic "How to Play" tutorial (we don't want to be in) as you start for the first time. That's why I make Videos, to help people learn as much or as little as they want about Live Production. -Nathan R
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