USTA 4.5 vs UTR 12.5!

[@sayles7858]

Thanks for havin me Winston! Definitely enjoyed it. Lets get him to 50k people!

[@sayles7858]

❤️🎾💪

[@markj6302]

@@RafaelMichaelJackson half human half anime character

[@sayles7858]

@@RafaelMichaelJackson LOL what a mystery ;)

[@feyyazozkan]

What a patience and consistent! You are my idol now.

[@MPTennis]

Great vid guys! Love in the in game analysis. You guys did a great job explaining and sharing 3 key tactics...consistency, buying time and taking time away. 👍 Side note: Winston, what do you use for your scoring overlay on videos?

[@AtobeTanhausser01]

Les plays as relaxed as his demeanor, even when he's being aggressive.This is the guy that will clap you in a match like it's just another Tuesday, and I'm here for it lol

[@combodropper5328]

This is like if One Punch Man was a tennis player. Les is the relaxed player you face at a tourney or league match that frustrates everyone. He seems super nice though, so you still look forward to playing him next time you're matched up. Really great content, and I'm subscribing to his channel now.

[@shipwreck8847]

Winston, bro, I have a lot of respect for you. You're the only youtuber that isn't afraid to post matches where you lose. So many youtubers only choose to post their match wins and you think why they never post any of their loses. Don't be afraid to challenge yourself and keep learning to beat higher level players. Thank you for not posting the cheapy wins that are irrelevant because they are not challenging your abilities.

[@XhezPlayzYT]

@Shipwreck very nice text and i agree it is good to challenge yourself and not be embarresed if you lose and you upload it mass respect aswell❤

[@gabrielfernandez9792]

100 percent agree.

[@AG-js1bl]

Because winston always lose all the matches.

[@Hippydippy935]

Wow I love the way Les plays, so calm and efficient. Rarely hits a bad ball and doesn’t go beyond his ability at any given moment

[@MikeSmith-yy1lv]

This reinforces that footwork and speed are key components to success.

[@williamyeh6925]

tennis is a running game.

[@af02271]

As good as these matches of Winston getting clapped are for seeing the many levels of tennis, @Winston would love to see you competing in ~4.5 league or equivalent UTR tournaments and watch you grind it and move your level up!

[@Jon88]

@@WinstonDu can’t be caring around a trash bin to your matches and post up right behind the base line

[@LukeHuber]

There's a KZbinr called tennis brothers that is working on atp points and he records all his matches. I think he usually just puts a camera up on the fence or something behind him, I would imagine you could do something similar.

[@geepeeone]

Les almost feels like a buddhist. Calm. Relaxed.

[@youtubeaccount6561]

Why do you have to say he's a Buddhist.... what the fuck Seriously. Why.

[@geepeeone]

@@youtubeaccount6561 Because that’s the comparison I chose. Are you offended?

[@sbinsdca]

He's a Ninja out there on court 👍

[@MrJonOnTheRoad]

Les looks so relaxed and clean in his preparation

[@luculus88]

The depth and placement of the balls during the rallies was a big factor in Les's favor. Winston usually sent much shorter balls in the center area.

[@davebeery_youtube]

Les makes it looks so easy! Hermont is super aggressive and you can see the fire in his shots. Lester just fires away but with a seemingly casual approach. His footwork seems casual, too, but perhaps I’m not seeing the nuances. Amazing player!

[@dakotadellafera5850]

Really loved this and I love the way Les talks. Super chill and informative.

[@Jon88]

Lots of great tennis youtubers these days to collab with! Les is really chill.

[@pedrox96]

My man Les hits crazy clean

[@sandratoplaystennis]

Les just seems super comfortable. A pleasure to watch you guys play!

[@anthonydabaco8407]

Thanks for the content Winston. Les is the velvet sledgehammer... underestimate the easygoing and laconic manner at your own peril! Btw the TF40 is an awesome stick, also pairs well with Hyper G Soft.

[@philynolawschool]

velvet sledgehammer 💯

[@sayles7858]

My friends found this comment and nicknamed me the velvet sledgehammer in our group chat. Thanks buddy 😂

[@jonathanchen1026]

Les did this all while wearing long pants and long sleeves 😆

[@MarcoSolidx]

Definitely a 5.5 level to me. Make hermont vs les please!

[@jamesmckinnon9473]

Yes, please!

[@Iphone-69]

yes Winston

[@warrenmiller2044]

5.5 is 13 utr idk about that

[@Iphone-69]

@@warrenmiller2044 he wasn’t really trying

[@MarcoSolidx]

@@warrenmiller2044 13 utr is already a rating of pro level or top college tennis

[@mrchuckles1022]

Great content. I really appreciate the racquet and setup part. It is cool to see players like Les that have a great consistent style of play that we can learn a lot from.

[@lilth501]

Les obviously has a extremely layback Style. Not a lot of power but just very consistent. Solid stroking forehand and backhand. No real obvious weaknesses at least Winston could exploit.

[@bioshed]

Les is a great player. He kept his shots either deep or low, not giving any balls for Winston to attack

[@Sinapz218]

The one handed slice is so underated and Les shows why

[@nathanielpeter3292]

Thanks for the insightful tips! Learned something new today 😊 and Winston as always.. keeping it real and great content

[@OlivePlaysTennis]

Les got the smoothest voice in all of tennis KZbin 😌😌😌

[@rdmalonso1]

Les looks like he has so many gears he could get to if he wanted. Awesome playing. I don’t see enough 5.0 + to know what his rating is but it’s definitely +5.0

[@mskcrc]

I think he's said on his channel that he's a 5.5 on a good day

[@bartholomewlyons]

Certainly looked like he didn’t try much and he had a lot in reserve when needed. Prob didnt even sweat for his twin brother

[@uw10isplaya]

Damn, Les has really nice moment of contact on his forehand. Seems to be what talented forehands look like nowadays instead of the loops of years past. Short and simple, but with the racquet head control and proper biomechanics to accelerate into the contact and create spin/pace out of nowhere that's hard to read. Looks like he's barely hitting it at all.

[@futureguy]

Les is really good! Love the way he is playing. Excellent ball placements and consistencies. He's also relaxed and can generate the power pretty effortlessly.

[@jongfufang]

Really like the angle of the camera for this match. It really shows the pace and action of the ball.

[@topbanana3413]

Really like Say Les! Seems like a laid back person.

[@berimboplata]

Instead of beating Winston with outright power, Les is using the same "level" of groundstrokes as Winston, but smarter and more strategic. Not even big serves to set up easy put aways. Very interesting that he essentially leveled down to give you a chance and make it fun for you

[@johnnyblackrants7625]

I don't think he leveled down; that's just his game. What you're talking about there constitutes the large difference in level. Also, it was 8-0, so it wasn't exactly close. Also he hit a few aces... the serve was pretty big.

[@berimboplata]

@@johnnyblackrants7625 He most definitely leveled down. When Winston played another 12+ UTR it was a pretty brutal beatdown, no real rallies, just winner after winner or 1-2 combos off the serve. And when Winston played Karue, a pro, Karue also leveled down and still beat Winston easily, but it wasn't the brutal beating you expected, just safe easy rallies that Karue just won each time...because Karue leveled down to make it interesting.

[@silentxcure]

props to Winston for always being a good sport.

[@ChowDownDetroit]

Les has an awesome smooth tennis stroke. I bet he's got an amazing golf swing too.

[@neelabhchoudhary2063]

Is it just me or has Winston’s forehand gotten better over the past 2 years? Also winston, have you considered shopping around to see if other tennis clubs would sponsor you? like the Anaheim racquet club? I play there a bunch of times and they allow guests

[@williamyeh6925]

Winston's game has gotten better overall. Better serves, forehand, movement, etc.

[@hpz8136]

@@williamyeh6925 im not the only one who noticed

[@ryan2988]

Love Say Les one of his videos helped me so much

[@EdgeriPlaysTennis]

Great match! I think the rally at 11:13 was my favorite. Les constructs points really well. Also like his slice. Wish there were more tennis content creators in my area gonna have to fly out to west coast for collabs 😂

[@payamirani5298]

Les' laid back, efficient approach reminds me of Bruce Lee's "Be like water" saying. He seemed to adapt to Winston's game and use just enough skill and energy required to win. Another great video Winston.

[@ranz1022]

Not everyone can return Winston's decent quality shots with quality that's even higher, which doesn't let Winston dictate the rallies at all. Def 5.5 if not higher.

[@natehanying54]

his slices are insane

[@souriyac]

Nice match Les! Thanks Winston. Have been enjoying your content.

[@sbinsdca]

Wow. One of the best players you've had on your channel. I wasn't expecting that scoreline and you played well WD 👍

[@michaelp9061]

such a smart player. looks so effortless yet effective.

[@jiggs_life_goals]

Need to see more of Les!!

[@radshet3830]

I like when you and your opponent talk about the match together. Especially when theyre a utr gap, there is no point in hiding strategy or tactics

[@airborne13579]

Great match. It didn't look like Les was playing hard at all. Big difference is the ball placements, game strategies. I sensed a Bagel after two games.

[@premium70194]

Mr. Du, your game is improving a lot .. very consistent

[@gregtanner8501]

I could be wrong, but I think Les loves to hit the one handed backhand slice but it's crazy about his two hand backhand. He hits it well, just not often.

[@Tinyciwei]

This is what I have been waiting for a long time!

[@hypewalliams629]

Great video, you guys have a great attitude. Lee is quality, Winston, you really play well, you sometimes have same mistake as me on forehand, moving the body a bit too much during stroke. Try to stay still...

[@williamyeh6925]

Les tennis is like Tai-Chi.

[@sabihass5361]

So good and yet humble

[@davidcarter291]

The fact that this guy has blue hair means he is a borderline tennis pro lol

[@royc5974]

Les vs Karue!

[@mericusta1988]

Les is such a nice guy, I really like his attitude and play style. Actually, his slices were more aggressive than his bh topspin. He has great control over his slice. I will check out his channel. Winston, your fh improved so much! Especially when you swing freely. It was sad to see errors on the easy put away shots. Some days I do the same.

[@chubun6631]

This Les guy is deceptively good. He is around Winston's height, 6'2" maybe?, but you won't see that from his movements which look like those of a short 5'5" - 5'10" retriever style guy. I believe him when he said in his old days he liked to go to the net and put away points. A fast and tall netter is everybody's nightmare. Will need a much stronger opponent to see how good he really is.

[@cybergrail]

Great video! Thank you.

[@martintheguitarist]

He is about 5.0 USTA. 12.5 UTR seems too high. Emma Raducanu is 12.6 and he is not playing anything like her. He is more like 8-8.5 UTR.

[@Krwler]

Les speaks the way he plays, proper laid back

[@nicoalabat6670]

Say Les vs Hermont would be an interesting match up..

[@YashShevde]

Hey Winston, love your channel man. Been learning so much and it’s really speeding up my improvement. Quick q: what shoes are you wearing here? Do you have an affiliate link for shoes yet? Arguably way more key to the game than clothes, as dope as Sigrun’s stuff looks haha In the equipment section can you also start going over shoes? Maybe even a collab with Foot Doctor Zach?

[@godsgamer7494]

I enjoyed this video so much!

[@perryloh695]

Rockin' the Rune and Alcarez racquet. Well done.

[@jeanb.3493]

Great match, thanks for posting! Regarding consistency, yes, it's important to get that extra ball over the net, but in this match, I would rather highlight Les' consistent *quality* of shot. He was clearly countering every shot from Winston with an equal or better quality shot. *This* is pressure, because your *experience* that your opponent is keeping up and even being a step ahead, matches *reality* unf. But the error lies in going for bigger shots when you see they continue to produce UEs. Then you have to realize that you are playing patterns that favor Les to the point where you win no games. That being said, I'm not sure going for alternative tactics, such as moon balling, would have made a difference as Les seemed pretty comfortable with all types of trajectories. A few things you perhaps could have done: - getting more first serves in by going for less and/or bigger margins, to reduce the pressure on the second serve. You made one to many errors on serve against this type of player. - when getting pulled into no man's land, going back to the baseline instead of going to the net. Les' passing shots punished you more than once, coming to the ent behind a less than stellar approach. That being said, I think Winston played really well in the rallies, and it's fascinating to see how these matchups play out.

[@devianbomb]

Top 5 anime crossovers

[@and5336]

I love Les's personality.

[@KimchiOishi1]

Les vs Hermont 😮

[@spaceshido6124]

Not fair hermont would give him a donut

[@basiliorodriguez1750]

@@spaceshido6124 I disagree

[@ghjkffaqt5561]

I would say he is a very solid 5.0. When he hits hard, it can be 5.5. Also Winston, great content and I think your rapidly improving. Keep up the grind🎉

[@tommyrooch4195]

12.5 utr is 5.5

[@ghjkffaqt5561]

@@tommyrooch4195 I mean he has potential again to be a 5.5

[@williamyeh6925]

we tend to under-rate a good dedensive counter puncher.

[@johnnybgood1169]

Why is "hitting hard" the first thing so many people focus on when they think of a 5.5 NTRP level? Depth, Accuracy and Variety of shot, as well as quality of court coverage/footwork, are FAR more important to achieving that standard.

[@Kevin-ms3do]

I don't get power player from les but I have seen many guys beat people they shouldn't just by sheer footwork and ball placement alone. Never went for more than A 50% ball unless absolutely necessary. Great play

[@letrantrung1]

Les's game is about "give up the control" and "commit to your strokes" - exactly in a session that Karue Sell from Tennis HQ trained Winston before!!!

[@isthataj]

WOW UTR 12.5 ranks him between Emma Raducanu(#30) and Elise Mertens(#31) in WTA singles 😮

[@Shank-o-Pottomas]

What's your workout regimine like, do you do the push-pull-legs split? Also, do you do any exercises specific to tennis and training that explosiveness, such as medicine ball throws?

[@Indra-yr3jk]

Dangg the ninja never make unforced error, solid!

[@edgarbier7461]

My dad is 55 years old tennis pro at Manhattan Beach country club. Tall, big serve, good backhand lmk if you want to play

[@yakzivz1104]

Les has some serious skills!!!

[@awachsmann]

Well, the guy barely broke a sweat. Made you self-destruct instead of attacking.

[@nCode1]

It's nice to have consistency and it's not an easy game to develop too because if you're not putting enough discomfort to the opponent, it'll not work. Just getting everything it back is not enough, you need to make it hard for them to go on the offense like good depth and pace etc. But the problem with this is when you'll get to a threshold of players who are just as consistent and you'll have no way to beat them. I'd like to suggest him to develope a weapon like a bigger forehand but he probably already have tried so to up this consistency game, he can't rely just on the slice backhand to mix it up, he can also develope a flat forehand shot to mix it up with his normal spin strokes. The added pace and odd bounce is a good mix to the point.

[@chimastudios]

What! That was crazy.

[@arthurkim3331]

It's impressive how lazy Lex looks with his movement, but gets in position and split steps at the perfect time. No wasted movements at all. Nice footwork

[@oopsierobotrobot]

Solinco Confidential is goat. It's soft, sharper than Hyper G's and Tourbites, and it's durable. I usually get about 15 hours before the strings go dead or pop

[@chenli8423]

Would be great to record with the swingvision

[@80blubber]

Enjoyed this video a lot. Les has tighter control/technique where winston techniques are wild with a loopy forehand...I honestly think Winston string tension is too low 48lbs.. he should try 52lb range to decrease spin and increase pace.. sometimes flatter shots with better pace = winner. Spin shots bounce higher and shorter thus more time for the opponent to recover and shorter shots equals is usually not good.

[@vinoo89]

Les plays so far back on the baseline - look at the play around 9:00. This seems to allow him to shift his weight forward into the ball even when Winston hit a bigger ball - I’m going to try standing a bit further back like this.

[@ElVictorRuiz]

Creo que el punto crítico de Winston (no sé si en este partido estaría particularmente nervioso) son las piernas. En el saque muchas veces las piernas no acompañaban al resto del movimiento y pasó también con el drive y el backhand. Más allá de la diferencia de nivel el punto crítico siento que estuvo allí, creo que si las piernas hubiesen acompañado al resto de su juego este partido de entrenamiento se hubiese desarrollado de forma muy distinta. Hubo momentos donde casi todo el trabajo lo hacía su tren superior. El tren inferior sin energía, sin fuerza, sin acompañar al resto del cuerpo. Muchas pelotas en la red fueron causa de esto.

[@elchanclascocina]

Interesante. Siempre he pensado se mueve bien, pero efectivamente no usó hay las piernas para generar energía, en especial en la derecha que suele sí hacerla más profunda, hoy se le quedaron bien cortas, seguramente por lo que dices. En su revés sí nunca las ha explotado. Del saque qué decir, le falta explosividad, y eso es algo que sí no ha evolucionado. Con su altura podría y debería sacar más fuerte. Buena observación 💯

[@mikeni1225]

Les seems to be able to get to the ball just in time without any additional energy wasted. I think you do need "bigger shots" to beat him, but also with accuracy, and I guess that is what makes a pro. Kei Nishikori seems to be able to overcome taller or stronger players by being more accurate on risky shots

[@dylanroberts8478]

Les is an actual genius.

[@katrenan]

Les’ effortless style reminds me of Federer

[@sayles7858]

I can die happy now 😊

[@hpz8136]

@@sayles7858 you deserve it, do a video on how to fly like you \

[@sayles7858]

@@hpz8136foot speed and lightness can be trained. As long as I remember I could always jump rope and land lightly from a jump. I think those two things play a big factor in a persons movement looking good. I would recommend plyometrics. Also do not overthink tennis footwork. Run to the ball and side shuffle back. That’s most of it 👍🏼

[@hpz8136]

@@sayles7858 say les keep it casual as usual thanks men

[@harryherman5371]

Think you’d be a 5.0+ with a faster serve Your motion is good. Maybe looser grip for more power

[@gattaca5911]

please remind people that "consistent" does not mean just getting it over the net ...a lot of hacks take that to mean "pushing". Les was "consistently placing" the ball deep and/or difficult to tee off on....which is a sick skill as good as hitting a winner.

[@johnyang1420]

Consistency works!!!

[@dinh5532]

Highschool and club players should emulate Les' game, you'll win always! A player like him can only lose to true big hitters and that's far and few at that level.

[@squeedum4893]

Les doesn't seem to have a ton of power. But he's super consistent and places the ball well. He kills with kindness.

[@GershonBenYitzhak]

Love the channel. Gotta say though, you really gotta work on that serve. 14:46 - that's a first serve at 4.5?

[@devpatel7154]

Not even the serve. Overall he usually plays a lot better I feel. Just an off day cus the consistency was so off

[@sultanabran1]

i think les is simply a higher level player. very clever and understands his game, the opponents game and how to play at the level he plays at. he doesn't look like he's working very hard but i get the impression he's thinking a lot.

[@gooddb67]

Have a link to your shoes? I'd love a pair.

[@poktangju]

Les is so smooth...

[@tomsd8656]

I think the most noticeable thing about Winston's game is feet movement. This had been pointed out by Karue. It seems like at your level, your feet should be shuffling a lot faster. I even saw older players at 4.5 level with more sprightly feet movement. I think you will be a totally different player if feet movement can be improved to the point where you don't look like you're wearing ankle weights moving around. Maybe that's the idea. You wear ankle weights to play, so when you take them off, you suddenly feel much lighter and therefore shuffling feet faster.

[@Mills354]

Winston without looking at the score looks like he is in each game going toe to toe in the rallies, the main difference is just the execution i think

[@philshyu5248]

Les is more! Yeah, I’m unfamiliar with UTR ratings, but he’s clearly a stronger more consistent player, a lot fewer unforced errors than Winston for sure. I didn’t see Les closing on the net very much after he said he was going to, but he didn’t need to in order to win the points.

[@sliceserve234]

I think movement is one of the hardest things to teach a tennis player, to some extent either you have it or you don't. Federer is the goat for movement, and Les gives a similar impression of "floating" over the court, effortlessly in position, very few unnecessary movements. Add a nice killer whippy forehand on top of the movement, and by god you've got a very dangerous tennis player.

[@fillflashdetailer8838]

Goodness, Winston, you got absolutely smoked!

[@SSBKai]

First time seeing you without hat