BIG Locomotives HIDDEN in the Woods

[@andrewreynolds4949]

Many AC4400 series locomotives are currently being rebuilt, usually with new cabs/electrical systems, improved AC traction motors, and (I assume) upgrades to the prime movers & generators

[@frederickschulkind8431]

They are, renumbering them into 7000s, 7200s and 7500s, but I don't know what pattern they are using for selection. I recently saw unit number 5.

[@andrewreynolds4949]

@@frederickschulkind8431 Which railroad is that? I know several have ongoing programs

[@frederickschulkind8431]

@@andrewreynolds4949 CSX, I live near the metropolitan subdivision outside Washington.

[@UnionThugg]

They get a brand new 7FDL16 "Plus" engine. New operating cab, electronics cab, and cooling pack. Pretty much everything from front coupler to rear is new, except the frame.

[@andrewreynolds4949]

@@UnionThugg But is the engine block entirely new, or upgraded to the latest model standard? I don't have access to definitive answers, but things I've seen suggest an upgraded block. I did recently find an excellent article describing the GE assembly lines in Fort Worth, I'll need to find it again

[@railfannoah5762]

The former CEFX AC4400CWs were recently acquired by Norfolk Southern now beginning to show the 3900 series, on top of that NS had recently rebuilt its 2 SD70M-2s into brand new SD70ICCs 1250 and 1251 not sure if they are released to service yet but the two had been sitting in Mayfield Kentucky

[@vincentstruckstrainsplanes34]

One of the ICCs was spotted on a mixed freight a few days ago 👍 kzbin.info/www/bejne/iaXIcqWGfbOVnK8si=UVjXzZVMFZHVNxcQ

[@Demi-rose3]

I like watching train documentarys it really helps with my little train knowledge.

[@paulbergen9114]

Quite a few have come back to life in the last several months still as CEFX in fresh blue paint. When delivered these units were leased to the CP & UP and I saw them with frequency in Milwaukee. Gradually as the big pandemic Freight downturn occured they were pulled from service and sent to storage so the vast majority have sent at least two to three years. The exception is the group that has been on long-term lease on the Lake Superior & Ishpeming. For the past few months the repainted units have been seen on Virtual railcam roses all over the BNSF system. We'll have to see what happens to these stragglers out in the bushes

[@yeahman70]

36 of them have been sold to NS recently, 2 have already been patched and are being sent to NS right now, with more coming soon

[@paulbergen9114]

@@yeahman70 thanks for the update. They probably got a good deal on them as Banks don't like to hold onto locomotives too long especially as they get older

[@camman9235]

I started a job a few months ago were I help rebuild old Locomotives beside new ones,it’s really cool to see other models and the history behind GE and EMD.

[@Airmax1]

Those CEFX unit's did allot of running on CP (now CPKC) in BC and Alberta. They hauled everything except coal drags during their time on CP.

[@TracksideTyson]

I remember recording many of these CEFX units when Canadian Pacific was leasing them not to long back. Excellent video with lots of info! 👍🏼

[@KaidsTrains]

There’s always something to learn from your videos

[@jimratliff2753]

Always the best and most detailed railroading channel out there. Lots of very good plus informative RR info. Professionally done!

[@v12productions]

Thanks 👍

[@maestromecanico597]

Very nicely done. The first gen of AC locomotives have GTO inverters: SD70MAC & AC4400. Today's new build and rebuilt locomotives have IGBT inverters: SD70ACe and ES/ET series. The NS AC44C6CMs have the new inverters so the AC4400 they've acquired, unless they have been through the rebuild process like CSX, CP and UP, then electronically they are oddballs on the NS mechanical roster.

[@kens.3729]

Thanks for helping us Remember the Almost Forgotten Units. 👍🙏

[@ericmason349]

All these old locomotives abandoned in many locations are just an expense that the current management does not want to deal with. They don't want them to interfere with them getting their bonuses.

[@j0hnnykn0xv1lle]

"Don't you dare trespass and get footage like I did."

[@flowercityrails]

Nice video, it's sad to see these locomotives just sitting around rotting away. I remember seeing a couple of these units when I was a kid on CSX sometimes. At 0:03, somewhere I have a photo of unit #1020 leading some train on the CSX mainline by me

[@RedHammerBodyShop]

I feel confident that one of the worst industrial blunders was the choice of the narrow rail spacing. Funny that NOBODY thought ahead enough to say "hay, these are gonna be way too narrow in the future!!".

[@Swindy1794]

I started working for General Electric Transportation in Erie, Pennsylvania back in 2005 (18 years ago) now Wabtec Corporation, coincidentally currently on Strike!… most people don’t have a clue what goes into making such an amazing machine.

[@vuurvrproductions4656]

so apparently those CEFX units have sat there since 2016

[@davidstewart5694]

I haven't compared the numbers to see if this was the group ns bought but makes sense. These have been stored here for quite a while now with no sales previously pending because when ge sold their assets, cefx chose not to purchase software updates for the particular programs on these. This 1000 series group for cefx was built to cp standards. Those that have been leased out in recent years have received the needed updates through the leasee's expense from ge/wabtec. GE also did not willingly provide needed laptops or software for any 3rd party to perform work. So these have been forced into fra dead status while being stored. ns would have the tools needed to update them or obviously send them to ft worth.

[@samueljsnead]

Super cool video, I drive by those engines in Monroe GA all the time. And yes it isn’t posted but of course it is private property. In Walton County GA the Judges look at it this way. “If it’s not your property and you do t have permission, you are trespassing.” They don’t play.

[@rodgodx345]

I have videos about the great Walton railroad and they operate and active on Tuesday and Thursday and these blues locomotives are gone now.

[@roskgo1193]

Awesome video! Definitely really like this locomotive model! Love those close up shots of those citi rail ac44's would love to see more!

[@77_trains]

A few of the units in Monroe have been sent up to the LS&I in Michigan. Shot that deadline a few times and they get shifted around quite a bit , they’ll get dragged into powerrail occasionally to get some work done

[@ICE6365]

Excellent work CM. Nice to see some of the clips from Locust Grove made the cut!

[@IFLYBELL]

It was neat seeing these CEFX units again. Working for CP Rail, I spent a lot of time in a several of those units.

[@CSXrailfanAndNS]

Love the vids and stay safe around the tracks!

[@armandoperez7967]

The CEFX AC4400CWs were acquired by Norfolk Southern. They likely will be rebuilt and will be indistinguishable from the large fleet of AC44C6Ms that NS already has.

[@AJMic-sp2rx]

I live across the street from GE ( although the plant is currently being derailed by SCABS literally took the 100 th locomotive of Egyptian order and totaled it) anyway there is an order for 22 of those class 3 switchers to be built “down under” in Australia ) of course GE is now owned by Wabtec . Our Erie commercial railroad is located just east of main Plant on Water street just last year had there switcher rebuilt and repainted . I have lots of pictures and videos of it moving locomotive rebuilds around ,either taken in / out . During winter when leaves are down I can see the test loop sidings and some of main yard from my porch .

[@kansascityshuffle8526]

I remember those cefx’s they were what we called “the rentals” they disappeared from our tracks about 10 or so years ago. Always liked them because they were all equipped wit air conditioning.

[@CSXFan5496]

At least some CEFX AC44CWs were still in service, some stored

[@NotDaender]

8:35 Pickens RR boxcars! They look to be decently intact as storage space but I'm surprised any of those neat blue boxcars survived through decades of service!

[@ajcopp8814]

Excellent video! Very informative and very well put together. Thank you for your knowledge and all the labor involved making these videos. ❤️

[@v12productions]

Thanks for watching!

[@MygrandpasTrain]

I don't keep up with modern locomotives, I had no idea they use AC traction motors. Very informative video. Thanks!

[@dmorgan28]

You did a great job on this video. I really enjoyed it. 👍❤️

[@RascalTrainz]

Heard some rumors that NS brought a few CEFX AC4400cws. Though I’m not sure l.

[@yeahman70]

NS has bought 36 of them. Recently, 2 of them have been patched and are on their way to NS right now.

[@dieseldavetrains8988]

Australia has an acute high powered locomotive shortage on the east coast, one would think those AC4400's could be refurbished and exported as "rebuilds" overseas? Then again, those AC4400's maybe too heavy for the east coast express freight corridor which is 134 tonnes (maximum loco weight), however, they could be used on bulk coal trains if they weigh a maximum 139 tonnes? As an aside, Progress Rail closed manufacture of EMD locomotives in Australia putting a lot of people at the Newcastle NSW factory out of work, they now make them "ready-to-run" exported complete out of Muncie in the USA and sent to Australia by sea. Great video, very informative, thank you.😉

[@marinablueGS]

Another great video! Thanks for posting!

[@v12productions]

Thanks for watching!

[@BNSFfanDavid]

Great vid. I like that BNSF AC4400 model you had behind you, too.

[@v12productions]

Thanks! It's an old Athearn model.

[@johnsmart964]

Thank you very much for this very interesting and informative video presentation which is very much appreciated by the people.

[@Railfaning_With_Brantley]

Love your videos man

[@v12productions]

Thanks!

[@ryan05753]

Enjoyed your content, thanks!

[@EduardoSalazar-jn1pn]

Yep, those AC4400CW's were aqquired by Norfolk Southern and now are in process to be renumbered as NS 3964-3999.

[@emd6456]

Excellent video, thank-you!

[@joecarlson6428]

Very nice short history. Liked your drone video.

[@85Stang331]

One of those switchers if I recall is in Pa sitting behind an Ace hardware in ChadsFord Pa.

[@bobbydelamar606]

I don't like working on the Evos or the newer Tier 4. Now EMD has a Tier 4 also. They're not very good. They have emission stuff like EGR valves.

[@ColumbiaAreaRailProductions]

All of these stored CEFX AC44s were recently bought by NS, so should be back out on the road soon (if not already).

[@outdoordaily6463]

Me on my way to each of these locations with a roller suit case: “I got it one piece at a time, and it didn’t cost me a dime”

[@TheWaukeshaRailSpotter]

Imagine building a new layout for your box of trains that would be awesome

[@trainfan4014]

Amazing video

[@rottenroads1982]

Locomotives that have been forgotten are a Preservationist’s Dream.

[@connorjones6222]

I just drove through Monroe about 2 weeks ago and saw 2 or 3 CEFX units lashed up to some hoppers on a siding

[@Sacto1654]

A lot of those Dash-9 wide cab locomotives are being sent through Norfolk Southern's AC44C6M conversion program to turn the locomotives into AC traction locomotives with less-polluting engines. A lot of Dash 9-44CW locomotives from other railroads may end up being cycled through this program. I wouldn't be surprised if some of those AC44C6M conversions end up being sold to other railroads, too.

[@UnionThugg]

These CEFX units are AC44's, not dash 9's.

[@TrainsTrains-rf2bm]

The CEFX engines run here in negaunee, Michigan for the LS&I and they least some CEFX engines which haul iron ore

[@ProtonTheProtogen]

I might have to keep an eye out for them, my great grandmother lives in Social Circle, so yeah, fun

[@ElPasoTXRailfanner]

WAIT WHAT CEFX Is Going To Be Gone Noooooooooooooooo Nice Video V12 Productions

[@chrisbrownoffical2553]

There is actually a center cab switcher still running its used for switching tanker cars and it still runs

[@BSPIVEY100]

Another superb ideo. Take this as a compliment. You're a young version of Danny Harmon.

[@MattPanther91]

4 or so of the AC4400 with NS marking on them have been moved up closer to interchange with CSX.

[@GMCGUY-]

I love your personality especially when you're discussing railroad locomotives you know your stuff I thought I was pretty knowledgeable and locomotives but you got me beat. I can usually tell you any locomotive that goes by me on the tracks but sometimes I'll get it confused and sometimes I get it wrong you know I'm only human like everybody else. But one video I think that you should do I think it would be very interesting and a lot of people told me to mention this to you is how many alco locomotives are still in operation in the United States August of 2023?

[@anb7408]

Well, I know I’m getting old when locomotives I photographed brand new with fresh paint are now being retired and left to rust!

[@russellgxy2905]

It's probably worth noting, for those not in the know, that NS is purchasing these Leaser AC44's because they're having a power crisis. After a few years of sidelining hundreds of locomotives, for reasons varying from age to trying to shave costs, they've started to realize that more trains with less power just means _less power_ when all's said and done.

[@alexmodern6667]

Ridiculous they can’t figure the physics of supply and demand along with proper horsepower to axle needs. And how long have railroads been around. If managed a huge corp n ran it this way I would be fired.

[@BNSFbroman]

They sold all the SD70's that were not rebuilt in SD70ACC program and only ended up with 52 of them. They got rid of SD40-2, SD60/SD60M, SD70/SD70M/SD70-2/SD75I or M's and the SD80MAC's. They really shot themselves in the foot with getting rid of stored locomotives. They should of stayed with SD70ACC project, with all the SD70's/SD70M's they (HAD) they would of been in a better spot.

[@artistwithouttalent]

Norfolk Southern Reaping 😂 Norfolk Southern Sowing 😢

[@mikeingeorgia1]

@@alexmodern6667they manage their crews the same way. They make adjustments every week. With the crews, they know how many they needed the previous week, and that’s how many they adjust to for the following week. So some weeks, the crews sit around a good bit because there’s too many of them, and then the next week they work their azzes off because crew management cuts too many off. It’s almost always chaotic, and rarely smooth lol

[@Slim_Slid]

​@@BNSFbroman Norfolk Southern never sold their SD40-2's,nearly all of them are now SD40-3's just like some of the other older EMD units they own. Also,they still have SD60M's but they were all rebuilt as SD60E's. The SD70M-2 rebuilds were put into storage but they recently were removed and are back again. Also,unless you mean leased units,Norfolk Southern never owned any of the SD75I's/M's. The SD80MAC's were sold to PRLX because of EPA regulations and they were becoming expensive to keep in operation just like most older EMD units have become. The SD9043MAC's that were acquired and rebuilt into SD70ACU's were sold to PRLX because most of them already had fracks or cracks in the frames.There's reasons why Union Pacific was selling units for dirt cheap like pennies. Norfolk Southern is leaning towards Wabtec/GE like everyone else because their units are more technologically advanced,easily EPA compliant,better fuel efficiency,better cabs,stronger tractive effort,and aren't as costly.

[@Blocksguyoldchannel]

Dude i really love that intro it really hits hard

[@v12productions]

Thanks!

[@Stev417]

1:58 think I went there as a field trip in elementary school

[@advancedapproachproduction2394]

PowerRail is based in Monroe, GA. I believe some of these stored motors belong to them.

[@SebisRandomTech]

I know a few railroads had SD38ACs.

[@godslove7708]

193 Leroy Anderson Rd Monroe Georgia.

[@thevideocamman5674]

Man seeing those Illinois central units.

[@fiberrabit8229]

I cannot belive those two BN macs are still there at the testing site!!!!!

[@fredstuckmann]

Thanks for this video sir. I wonder why the stacks weren't capped on those units?

[@martindoyle831]

Fyi. The sd60mac was not the first high horspower AC traction mainline loco. The first was the CP RAILS M640 converted in 84 by ABB. And that info was used to impliment mainline AC traction. Cp rail ran it until 91 and then bought ac44s in 95

[@ASILLYTRAINBOY2011]

2:39

[@NorthBay43]

Those blue locomotives 🚂 needs to get rebuild

[@NCRailfanProductions]

They are most likely to be rebuilt into AC44C6M’s

[@NorthBay43]

@@NCRailfanProductions I know

[@NCRailfanProductions]

@@NorthBay43 ok

[@RFMCabooseNP1713]

Great info on these units.

[@v12productions]

Thanks!

[@chuckrann6282]

Great Job!

[@davepritts494]

The company I work for was hired to prep to ship those GE AC4400 when thay we’re stored at the Belt Railroad in Chicago from there thay went to a small storage facility in crest hill Illinois that was a car repair shop of the EJ&E Railroad thay sat there for a little while then we had to go thru them again to ship them when Norfolk purchased them. When thay were sitting in crest hill somebody went down the line of them and took all the number boards out of them.

[@natgass8102]

Very informative thanks

[@KingOp0ssum_II]

7:30 nice

[@willieknows2708]

Thanks

[@jameswyatt2739]

Sad to these magnificent beasts rotting away.

[@amtrakp4242]

1:21 I have a feeling that’s the train from Under Sidge 2

[@MrHonestZ1]

Like watching your videos keep them coming.

[@JasonTrew2018]

Southern had some GP38AC's back in the day

[@jimchik]

Drones and GoPros… talk about revolutionary changes to video production…

[@jasonbbaird1625]

They are gone now. As of a week ago, the con rail engines in Monroe.

[@jameshill3706]

Where were they? I feel like an idiot for never seeing them I’m always in that area

[@jasonbbaird1625]

@@jameshill3706 South of town, on 11, the road beside the funeral home with the transfer station and concrete plant.

[@RailPreserver2K]

Ive been to this location, u should have sent some photos i had

[@alcopower5710]

Very informative 👍

[@truckinpoppop6777]

Very interesting information

[@SWag-w1r]

Train videos are kinda nostalgic

[@wallochdm1]

It's not unusual for locomotives to be stored during downturns in the economy. These CEFX units could be brought back into service fairly easily.

[@SD45-ET44AC]

Thanks to investments my dad made while working for Generous Electric in Lawrence Park my sister and I were able to go to college.

[@Elliottblancher]

Im surprised Powerail Locomotive service has 3 Norwood and St lawrence boxcars

[@everettrailfan]

I think BNSF is one of the only Class Is that has yet to start a full rebuild program of their Dash 9s/AC44s. I wonder if they're in talks with Wabtec.

[@kennywest223]

Love the intro it is so cool

[@jacksonsdrones]

4:54 Did Union Pacific get a New Paint Scheme? 🤔

[@jacksonsdrones]

@Jabba.Da.Hutt_ That's Cool! I think they look Cooler! To bad the American Flag isn't in it.

[@caesar_cider2777]

Ferb, I know what we're gonna do today!

[@BNSFTrains10]

I see saw ALOT OF these CEFX AC4400CWs 3 in total on every CN Manifist Trains trailing

[@Snoopyfan2023]

At 6:24 Why does that SD70 Mac have a Gevo Horn?

[@ЛЬВИНИ]

Super film - Like !

[@taylorbaggarleyunionpacifi3409]

I remember well when I saw these units cefex this unit was awesome in spokane sub on the union pacific si and Ayer sub sometimes bnsf not as much show up

[@DrHenry1987]

Why does GE dominate? I hear that often, but I have never heard a good reason given.

[@littlegp18]

When gm exited the locomotive market they handed the locomotive market to ge, since there were no other competitors

[@Slim_Slid]

Wabtec/GE has always been far more advanced on technological advancements than EMD has been.Wabtec use to build traction motors for GE until purchasing rights from GE to uphold their locomotive production.Once GE debuted microprocessors and traction motors with stronger tractive effort,they made their way into the market.This includes incredible dynamic braking on nearly all of their units.Another factor is when EPA regulations kept getting more serious.GE bought ALCO which was always four stroke.EMD has always been two stroke and having heavier carbon footprint was an issue.This is why all of their units eventually were retrofitted with exhaust manifold silencers so that units could still pass emissions testing. EMD attempted to modernise and go four stroke,but it was a massive mistake on all counts. General Motors sold EMD but the suffering began when Greenbriar Berkshire took aquisition and cut down costs as much as possible and use off shelves parts until there was nothing else to do.Thankfully Caterpillar became the parent company,even though they are disdained upon the EPA as well.At the time,what was still in production was good but then CAT/PRLX trying to do most rebuilds or making new products has always failed somewhere. Basically,EMD hasn't had it perfect since discontinuation of the GP40-2's & SD40-2's.There have been some good results here and there with other units,but very little.At some point Wabtec/GE will become widely mainstream and hugely distributed,and they already have been on that status but getting better over the years.