V3 Bolt Action - Writing my first competitive list for Germany

[@cptwinters241]

I know the Wirbelwind is a meme unit, but it’s 4 light auto cannons in 1 vehicle with a panzer 4 chassis. Also it’s super cool, which we all know is the most important thing.

[@scholaprogenium7276]

@@cptwinters241 Its probably more autocannon templates than you actually need unless you're strafing blocks of 20 infantry! I definately want to try one, now give me panzer ace on top and we're really cooking haha

[@cptwinters241]

@ I agree 100%, it’s not the best value for the points out there. There’s a reason it’s a meme unit. But it is super cool. I used one in a 2v1 2000 point game of Konflikt 47 with a couple friends recently (I was the 1 assaulting a position) and it was super fun to see out on the board. Could I have brought 2 blobs of infantry to assault key positions with instead? Probably. Would that have been the difference I needed to win the game? Probably. But it was worth it to see the Wirbelwind out there.

[@TheKenthor]

Disclaimer: I'm not a tournament player, just a casual/historical guy who plays exclusively with friends and I've only played one v3 game so far. Having said that, the one game was against an army with 2 German vet assault rifle squads and I thought they were very good and well worth their points. You might not always need that extra range, but with the long range to hit penalty gone, it's real handy when it comes up. In the same game, I ran an inexperienced officer for my heavy platoon. It worked out well. I just kept him out of sight behind the elevated terrain that the weapons teams were on.

[@PrinceMcGiggle]

Great video, would love to see you do this with Partisans, so many units to think about with them.

[@phobson70]

Looking forward to an after action report on this list.

[@scholaprogenium7276]

@@phobson70 Cheers, can't wait to try it out!

[@LargeFarva1970]

Using the Warlord App, I came up with 1238 pts not including gun shields for the Hvy ACs. Rifle Platoon was 475pts, Armoured 375pts, Artillery 167pts and Hvy Wep 221 pts (single spotter)

[@paolothomson5883]

maybe you can add some weapons or tweak the squad members of your inexperienced leaders!

[@scholaprogenium7276]

@@LargeFarva1970 Thanks I'll have to double check the points in the book, more likely I've hit the wrong button on the calculator though! Really appreciate you running it through the app for me there, fingers crossed I can get those gun shields....or do I go more ARs?!

[@Flippotycoon4583]

I really like the list an love the fact you did it on Paper like that I do that aswell. I have one thing ive been curious about and that is inexsperienced german mmg teams like can you get away with that is it a good cheap dice to include. 7 shots on a 5+ doesnt seem so bad.

[@scholaprogenium7276]

@@Flippotycoon4583 That's an interesting point indeed my man! Essentially sacrifice the increased firepower to have an mmg that is roughly on par with a reg mmg from any other faction, whilst saving points, you'll see this playtester in a future batrep for sure!

[@AnteQ2.0]

how do you have such nice handwriting?!? mine looks like hieroglyphs :D p.s. nice video

[@scholaprogenium7276]

@@AnteQ2.0 Cheers mate, I had to improve for my students, it used to be a lot worse! Haha

[@gregshimmin5334]

Also yes to double LMG squads. Yes to ARs, very killy all.

[@scholaprogenium7276]

@@gregshimmin5334 Awesome, this gives me confidence in the killing potential of the list, just about to set off for the event, let's hope we are right!

[@gregshimmin5334]

@scholaprogenium7276 Good Luck!

[@groggitz]

Appreciate the tips and listing 👌

[@scholaprogenium7276]

@@groggitz Cheers mate appreciate the support!

[@stacypierce3335]

I think by the end it all tied up nicely.. the only thing I was considering dedefinitely was inexperience light mortars and mmgs.. I also don't think I would run two assault but I'm interested in hearing your thoughts afterwards..

[@gregshimmin5334]

After 8 games of Version 3, all against my fathers Germans. I agree that auto cannons are great. I recommend the 222, sneaky little blighter. The Inexperienced solo officers are only okay for back line duty, outflank is a problem loosing dice late game. I would go so far as to drop the Panzer 3 for a 222, then upgrade your front line officer as much as possible 2 friends and ARs. Very good for pushing an area.

[@scholaprogenium7276]

@@gregshimmin5334 Hmmm this is an interesting suggestion, I can see that being a good fit for sure with the rest of the list!

[@godofbiscuits2978]

If the option is available the flakzwilling has two heavy auto cannons instead of the usual one.

[@scholaprogenium7276]

@@godofbiscuits2978 I don't own one but it's definately something I have my eye on, should chew through light armour with ease!

[@godofbiscuits2978]

@@scholaprogenium7276 I had mine for fallschirmjager in V2 and it was great for area denial in ambush for anything below heavy tanks. Helps shoot down those US airstrikes as a bonus.

[@LongLe-wx8gb]

Have you made any adjustments to the list? I’m building/ordering my comp German list now. Great work btw. Subbed

[@Schyzofrenic87]

I hope in januari with the new codex we get the 251 drilling back ,, or as i call them "wirbelwind from wish" 3 barreled autocannon on a cheap 251 now with spreadable templates pins for everyone.

[@randomcast3183]

The drilling is in the current build. I've ran it in 2 games already. Pretty crazy if you get people in the open with it.

[@Schyzofrenic87]

@@randomcast3183 wait it is ? under what category, i spitted through the app like crazy and couldn't find it and feared it got legended.

[@randomcast3183]

​​@Schyzofrenic87 half-tracked AA vehicle +50 point upgrade. In the app it's the sdkfz 251/21

[@Schyzofrenic87]

@@randomcast3183 oh half tracked AA under armoured platoon 135 pts for reg ,,, wish wirbel is back baby

[@randomcast3183]

If you want to run all autocannons then you can run a sdkfz 232 command, sdkfz 251/21, 2 Panzer 2s, and a Wirbelwind. My current list doesn't have the Wirbal in it, though....

[@malcolm5514]

Good list. Couple tips for future and for those reading this. A company commander is borderline OP in V3. Especially the germans with 5 SNAP TOs ?!?!?! Always take a mortar inexperienced unless you have spotters it can take advantage of (which you did at the end :) ). Always take gun shields where able, they will save your life (or rather those of your soldiers lol). Inex Nebelwerfers used to be the way to go but now that they receive D3 pins EVERY TIME they fire, I'm not so sure. I'm curious to hear your BATREP after the tourney! Keep one of those officers next to them. *These are just general tips, your list seems solid. Was very happy when you dropped the sniper haha. Especially a vet sniper seems a bit much.*

[@ijsbeermeneer9952]

Well im not sure abput gunshields. It coubts as soft cover, but does it also work on soft cover? I interpret it to not add on

[@vampious4849]

Lists are great but what Victory Conditions, Deployment and Approach are you expecting to find at the tournament?

[@scholaprogenium7276]

@@vampious4849 I imagine Dan will make a total mess of things and I'll have to adapt on the fly 😉 P.s. hi dan 🤣

[@vampious4849]

@@scholaprogenium7276 But did you notice?

[@LD-wm7jm]

It says in the rulebook you need the equivalent amount of infantry platoons to non infantry platoons. I you have 2 infantry platoons, you can only have 2 non-infantry platoons. Be careful.

[@scholaprogenium7276]

@@LD-wm7jm Hi mate thanks for the input, appreciate you taking the time to highlight this. Warlors have clarified you can have as many of each support platoon, for each rifle platoon taken; 1 rifle platoon let's you take 1 tank, 1 recce etc. 2 rifles = 2 of everything else and so on. 😊

[@ChrisGee-l8n]

Great video, enjoyed listening to your dilemmas! Surprised you didn’t consider light mortars instead of medium ones. Just 21 points inexperienced & have the manoeuvrability. 4 of those instead of 2 medium mortars, each with spotters, for 84 points vs 110 plus gives you 2 extra order dice. Agree with comments below re the advantages of SDKFZ 222 (gives you Flak & lots of Flak v beneficial if up against US) & also like the 234/1. Panzer III AUSF G which is the 155 pointer with medium AT is perfect tank. You could also drop artillery platoon & have say a flakvierling with 4 light auto cannons on a Horsch or Blitz or have 1 heavy auto cannon. If keep artillery then drop the Neb down to the Howling Cow to save 10 points. Look forward to hearing your final selection & how you get on. Good luck

[@WoodImp]

If you're writing a competitive List and it starts with Germany at the top you're on the right track ;) You coming to the Tournament in Notts on the 30th as well?

[@scholaprogenium7276]

Haha true that! Yeah I'll be there, hopefully we can throw some dice!

[@michaelshrumii1494]

Enjoyed this video. Could you please do a similar one for Battle of the Bulge/late war? A German armored recce unit and a U S. Armored recce/Cav unit 1250 pts each?

[@talaananthes]

You should mix a few SMGs in with the vets. Save a few points and don't lose *that* much. They're just always in front

[@scholaprogenium7276]

@@talaananthes Hmm this is true, I'm planning on using the vets as skirmishers so we will see what kind of range I'm operating at and this could well be a nice tweak!

[@joehendrson3815]

Anything with a auto cannon with range. ATLEAST FOR ME.

[@scholaprogenium7276]

@@joehendrson3815 I'm excited to join the AC party, so far I've been mainly on the receiving end haha

[@wellhungindung]

Off topic so sorry but are flamethrowers any good in this edition? I haven't really seen them mentioned.

[@scholaprogenium7276]

I'm not seeing them perform, nor am I hearing great things, but I've not seen any full BBQ lists yet, so perhaps they are good en masse? (Certainly worse than V2)

[@wellhungindung]

@@scholaprogenium7276 Thanks, good to know.

[@vincnetjones3037]

If it's Autocannon and Vet ARs U want as a theme... stay on point with that. Leave the armoured platoon out. What r German strengths - buzz saw, officer and sergeant. Max the infantry platoon officer and two men. 6 x ARs + 7 man 2 x LMG squads. 3 x MMGs [because u can fire them all at once and +1 shot for 7 x shots]. U do like bazookas in jeeps so have their equivalent. Inex Neb is fine. If U like 18 dice then have that. Good inf, art and hvy platoons in numbers makes u happy and then your men will fight better with a happy commander. Try the panzer 2s in another tournie

[@pech2130]

have you considered trading one of the mmgs for 2x light mortar ( 1 reg 1 inex)to gain a dice?

[@scholaprogenium7276]

Ooo la la I like this idea 😂

[@jamiesanchez8063]

This is the most stressful list building video I’ve ever seen! 😅

[@scholaprogenium7276]

@@jamiesanchez8063 It's a rollercoaster of emotion haha

[@VioletMoonMediaWargames]

How am I supposed to get 18 OD into 1250----- my 1000 point force is 22 dice!..... The 2 lmg 6 man squad can be a game changer, especially if kept in cover with an officer nearby. Personally, I would have added a truck or HT, even if there is no mission where they are obviously useful.... but they have a habit of getting in the enemies way and blocking LOS/access routes - I was shown how useful empty APC's are at my last tournament!

[@AnteQ2.0]

And my 1250 IS 9 Dice :D

[@VioletMoonMediaWargames]

@@AnteQ2.0 yeah.... If I used my Tigerzug, I'd struggle to get 9 die....