[v4.2] The Vision Wielders are Doomed [Genshin Impact Lore](Celestia Lore Theories Part 3)

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[@yengereng9962]

kinda reminds me of focalors hoarding the majority of indemnitium and setting aside the bare minimum to power the nation, perhaps celestia has the same plan?

[@trustojeaga6020]

I like what ur cooking

[@zarahalora7567]

whatever ur cooking, i want it.

[@monki6304]

But for what purpose

[@yengereng9962]

well given that visions are allogenes and an allogene is to my knowledge a derivative of divinity or half divine. maybe celestia is harvesting peoples divinity, to idk, keep them in check? supplement celestias divinity? maybe both? idk im no chef fellas, i just buy ingredients lol

[@sthezh]

i think another plausible explanation is that the akasha was meant to foreshadow how the dreams and ambitions of people in the form of jana energy could be extracted to power a god, both indemnitium and the akasha system seem to be foreshadowing how visions may work

[@GuyWithAnAmazingHat]

Vision holders are people who have such impossible dreams that it requires god to give them a hand, and their attachment to their dreams cause them suffering. This is actually what the Inazuma Archon quest about the 3 Vision holders are talking about, all 3 were suffering because of their Visions and it is also why Raiden approved the Vision Hunt, Visions causes suffering. Firstly Tejima's Vision gave him a pointless dream, to wait forever in a small village doing nothing but wasting his life away, it was only when he lost his Vision that he realised this exact fact. Next we had Kurosawa, whose Vision gave him so much ambition, he performed massacres against the rebels to raise his military rank, to make up for his guilt, he decided to distribute food to the poor. Losing his Vision made him realise that his ambitions made him a terrible person and he allowed himself to get accused by the villagers. Then we had Domon, a man whose dream was to be the greatest swordsman, so much that he killed his own master because of it. Losing his Vision made him realise that his ambition caused him to commit such a terrible act and he was paralysed with guilt. Diona is so attached to the impossible idea of ending alcoholism with her blessed wine, Chongyun is obsessed with finding ghosts even if it's impossible for him, Mona has struggled to find if Destiny can be changed, every Vision holder is fueled by their dreams but at the same time suffering from it. And what happened to people who achieved their dreams, like Kazuha's friend? His dream to duel Raiden led to his death. And in Buddhism, desire causes attachment, attachment causes suffering, suffering leads to death, this cycle starts again with rebirth and this forms a Samsara. Visions are not just good things, to achieve your dreams, you have to step on others, ending the dreams and lives of others. This is Karma, cause and effect, your deeds in life affects the world with Karma, increasing suffering. Xiao's dream is to get rid of Karma, which is another impossible dream. Now we extrapolate the points above, about dreams causing Samsara of suffering and Karma, to beyond the Archons, to the Heavenly Principles and the Primordial One, what are their dreams about? What dream is the the Primordial One trying to achieve that's causing so much suffering and cycles of death and rebirth of civilisations? Does Visions help the Primordial One achieve their dream? What does Raiden know about Visions and Celestia? I believe our role as Traveler is to help understand the impossible dreams of the people of Teyvat and help them fight against the dream of the Primordial One, which might be the Destiny sustained by Heavenly Principles. Or maybe we are understanding dreams of the people so that we can eventually understand the dream of the Primordial One.

[@Lucifer_Abysseum]

like this take a LOT

[@kaitosasaki4776]

​@@Lucifer_AbysseumSAME

[@kaitosasaki4776]

This clicks so well I love this

[@victorpedrosoceolin3919]

It sounds more like the exception, but the fact that you are bound by ambitions is a little concerning

[@starpeep5769]

Buddhism be like

[@LucasFJ_]

The Gods sacrificed Purusha and cut his body to pieces, and then fashioned all living beings with those parts... Isn't that what Celestia made to the Third Descender? This might be some crazy foreshadowing

[@Eb-sq3jd]

If the third descender gets a name reveal of Purusha ima lose my shit

[@Jaker788]

Or it could be that multiple decenders have been sacrificed for this world. The 3rd for the Gnosis and maybe another the build the world up or it's people, like maybe the second who came.

[@Infelious]

Purusha according to Google is the god that represents the Soul among many other things.

[@Aaa-pr8lr]

Everytime a character we know values greatly their vision (like Wanderer, Baizhu) I remember how doomed they if it takes a dark turn, or we need to stop them from using it in the future

[@deudaux]

As of 4.2, Many of things you said are confirmed in the Narzissenkreuz quests. For example, I remember reading a very relevant note about visions in the Narzissenkreuz Ordo, it reads: ...To excise the self is not to die, but rather to die before death. That way, there is no life to be ended. Thus may one achieve eternity. This step is vital, for by this, may one avoid receiving a Vision by some error. *To receive a Vision to sell oneself to the "fate" of this world - to Heimarmene* , and to evermore lose the chance to walk the correct path.

[@kokkorohime9525]

ah you beat me... I just finished the whole Narzissenkreuz quest line, and was about to comment this XD

[@brandonpierce2539]

This theory makes me think of Qiqi's situation; if the Adepti hadn't stepped in and used their power to revive her, she would have had her Vision for a grand total of 10 seconds before biting the dust, and now, who knows how long she'll be around before Celestia get their power back. Makes me wonder what level of foresight Celestia has.

[@Togekab00m]

We know from Nabu Malikata and the Prophecy and "the Visionary" and Constellations that Celestia ha snear-perfect foreknowledge and in fact this is probably connected to how visions work and are granted in the first place

[@nunobatista5822]

If this theory its true pherphaps it "feeds" on a strong desire independent of time, Qiqi will to survive at her moment of death was strong so it would "feed" principally of that desire instead maybe? If it feed on people ambitions or desire the feeling would be more important than how much time you have it, and Qiqi wanted to live, now she will live forever i guess

[@arsenyjsharov2239]

Good to know Geo characters have a tendency to not give a damn about their visions due to being as on-rails as they come.

[@adam.n-steve]

This is interesting cuz we have two characters with Electro visions who relies on it to connect with their familiars. So if they loses their vision, their familiar will also be gone unless they can still summon them by other means or th familiars don't require the need for the visions

[@NohAotori]

Ohhh you got a super interesting point here. And maybe that's why they react different in battle ( and some ppl complain, but not me)

[@TheJH1015]

@@adam.n-steveWait, two Electro vision holders? I know Fischl is one of them, but who is the other? ... Dori is the only one I can come up with with her Genie but idk if the genie is tied to her Vision lore-wise

[@mynameisntactually]

@@TheJH1015cyno and razor have the wolves i think

[@TheJH1015]

@@mynameisntactually oh trueeeee I always forget them

[@dustinabigan2776]

Probably another disturbing thing is the fact that people could loose their selves when their Visions are torn away from them. That part was probably what struck me a lot in the Inazuma arc as for a moment it almost feels like people are going through some trauma or loss of mental faculty when they don't have their Vision. It makes it look like Visions are a kind of drug or thing that people will not be able to live without once they fully commit to having it (so Keqing repeatedly throwing her Vision away doesn't count). So it's kind of like imprisonment in a way that Vision wielders are technically under Celestia's control and mercy, because taking the Vision away from them feels like a fate just as bad as death (forever losing your sense of self and as Yae put it, being tossed into a sea with no hope of coming out of it). If I have to guess, I'd bet that Celestia can also take away a Vision (just like Ei) for any reason (I'm guessing they're smart enough to put a failsafe just in case some powerful Vision wielder decides to blow Celestia out of the sky)

[@amari7782]

The issue is that the game has shown people like ittou who got his vision taken away but was perfectly fine and diluc who gave his to the knights and was fine alongside the few NPCs in liyue and the tea house guy who got his taken by ayato. It’s funny how they’ve done nothing with this idea and just stuck to the worst outcome

[@inplane9970]

In a sense, a Vision is the person's ego manifested and channeled into a usable energy. The ego drives desire, and that's reflected through the chosen element of each wielder. If a person is deemed dangerous or ambitious enough to challenge the Heavenly Principles, then the process of gaining a Vision would begin. I think of it like Madoka Magica's concept of Soul Gems. Once a higher power deems you worthy, your whole being is placed into that gem and it channels power to how you see fit. Seems great and dandy at first until you realize you basically die if your little trinket is damaged in any way.

[@kaazaar7729]

​@amari7782 My theory to this idea is that it might just not be an instantaneous effect that occurs when one loses their vision. Childe gave us his vision, and he still had the drive to fight without it. Another thought to add to this could be that maybe losing your vision isn't the only condition to the aftereffects that occurs, maybe losing faith in the idea that you won't achieve your ambition due to the loss of your vision causes this as many people in Teyvat has said themselves that their goals would be easier and doable with a vision. Of course, it could just be a misstep by the writers when doing Inazuma's story, but I would like to think it's not.

[@amari7782]

@@kaazaar7729 Uhm all the people ive listed have had their vision discarded for at least a year to a few years for the liyue npcs. the thing with childe is that he knows he has a delusion and foul legacy so he has the means to fight without his vision, heres the issue cuz the thing about the game is how theres conflicting casesif you look at the early liyue characters for example most of them dont care about their visions and just think their neat but nothing necessary for their goals. The issue is that the game legit just tells us their a symbol of ambition and does absolutely nothing more with this topic. whether or not it being a misstep really doesnt matter much as they dont do anything with the topic all together

[@amari7782]

@@inplane9970 There isnt really a process to getting a vision it just happens as they quite literally just spawn to the people. The only real exception is Yelan whos vision legit came from the sky and ayato didnt get his till the day of his parents funeral so his ambition was kinda debatable. Also theres someone like ning and mona who got visions from others or in nings case she was messing around with an empty shelll and it just activated when she was gonna sell one The problem is too is there's a bunch of requirements that no one knows and the ambition statement really hasnt been all that tested

[@hollowolfpup9958]

So, I remember reading about Xiao's vision once in the developer notes, and I was able to find them again on his fandom Wiki page, I'll quote the final paragraph of it below for you! "Although this is somewhat tangential, I'd like to take a moment here to give a little more detail on the adepti in the Genshin Impact universe, given that so many players have expressed an interest in this topic. The adepti are based on the idea of demigod-like "immortals" (仙人 xianren) in Daoism, and are referred to by the honorific title "sanyan wuxian" (三眼五显), literally "three eyes and five manifestations" (but localized in English as "mighty and illuminated"). The adepti are classed as non-human, based on the notion that "All who have nine orifices can achieve immortality through self-discipline," a line uttered by the "Monkey King" Sun Wukong in the Ming-dynasty novel Journey to the West. This means that animals are also capable of achieving adeptus status. However, humans have a higher purpose than adepti in the world of Teyvat, so for this reason, only those of non-human status can be referred to as "adepti" in Liyue. The "three eyes" part of the adepti's title refers to the "third eye" possessed by those with the ability to manipulate elemental energy, which for humans takes the form of a Vision. For adepti such as Cloud Retainer and Mountain Shaper, the human understanding is that they must have an "inner eye" that serves the same purpose as a Vision. Xiao, however, typically appears in a human form, so he dutifully wears a Vision to comply with the expected norm. "

[@zee9009]

this makes me wonder if hu tao's familiarity with death and the rules of the world makes her seem indifferent towards her vision, like in her voicelines

[@snailwhale6673]

The humans didnt receive a gift, they are being farmed like cattle. To " -- fulfil their duty" -Neuvillette, is to fulfil their "Fate" to simply live on as they already are and their life experiences is added to the mastery of their respective element: "-the power that returns is abundant still". Imagine gathering the experiences of a million musicians and condense that into your own mastery of music. Just food for thought lol

[@aldrinmilespartosa1578]

Hydro Vision is looking good right now that Hydro Dragon is the one giving it to everyone.

[@jehu9919]

"I feel so old" I felt that so much

[@vukkicos5688]

I doubt Celestia has been giving visions away willingly. Ei quite literally started taking visions from her people and has said herself that her version of eternity, the one without vision wielders, is the closest ideal to those of heavenly principles. My theory is that visions are/were a sort of defiance stolen elemental authorities put against heavenly principles. This is (or at least can be), to an extent, corroborated by last Neuvillette's story, where he says that the Usurper lost his own authority, and could thus not overwrite the original order of the world-he could not fully control the elemental authorities at first. That is why Usurper created gnoses, as a means of fully controling the elemental authorities. But, instead of fully removing visions, he made them a sort of contract, where people would receive the power of the elements during their life, but would be used later, after their deaths, to amplify those powers, sort of like return with interest.

[@SaiyanGamer95]

Except when asked about why there hasn't been any new Electro Visions, Ei was very much surprised, as she has no say in who or how someone gets an Electro Vision. And besides, Ei had already sealed herself away for 400 years by that point and the lack of new Electro Visions only started a year prior to the events of the game.

[@vukkicos5688]

@@SaiyanGamer95 As said in last Neuvillette story, Archons do not get to choose who gets a vision and who doesnt, they are given automatically to any person whose ambition reaches the heavens. I think that, at least after the supposed binding of elemental authorities to gnoses, the requirement for gaining a vision had been that person's ambitions need to, not only be strong enough, but they have to align with the ideal of a corresponding archon whom was given the specific gnosis in order to get a specific vision. Since Ei's ideasl during the year of sakoku/vision hunt decree meant eternal stagnation, no human's ambition could ever reach her ideals since humans always strive towards progress, and thus no electro visions have been granted during that time period. Ofc this is all major speculation on my part. Inazuma being so rushed, not to mention it being so early in the Genshin's overarching storyline, prevented writers from giving us a lot more information that is necessary to understand visions and ambitions. We still have no idea why Ei started those decrees at that specific time in the Genshin's timeline when she did, and what was her plan exactly to achieve her never-ending eternity, not to mention the importance of the statue the confiscated visions were imbeded in. Hopefully we are going to get an Inazuma interlude archon quest eventually that explains all these things in detail.

[@puppetmaster8819]

The theory/idea that the Visions are dangerous might make sense actually considering the Mortals Battery theory (which we are familar with), which you said that when a vision holder dies, the elemental power that they hold return back to the "gods", where there are hints of afterlife for many individuals in Teyvat, with the exception of vision holders' fate after death would be different. In this case, they ascend to Celestia. Same thing happens to when "gods" die, they leave residuals. You also say that some of them return to the earth or be a part of elemental powers or remain as archon residue (which is basically like an Elephant's foot in Teyvat). There's also humans being conduits of power as means for Celestia's harnessing elemental power, where vision holders are, instead of resting in peace in the after life, they accursed with immortality. Very likely correlation/connection to Celestia looking like a prison, for holding and containing Vision holders (accursed with immortality) in the afterlife as batteries for Celestia, absorbing their elemental powers for "being chosen by the 'gods'" or being given Visions. There's also the "life force" and "memories" of Teyvat being used as elemental resource in the Leylines (which could also lead back to Celestia). Same thing with gods, they might be also having a similar fate of being used as energy for Celestia. Assuming as if all elemental powers cycle and go back to Celestia. ** If we notice this pattern with people, memories, life forces, and gods as part of the elementary energy/resource for the "gods" in Celestia, and consider also what Neuvillette said in a certain story of in an opera that he watched, which he "relates to the current affairs of the world" (i.e. look for "More about Neuvillette: III"), I think it would be really disturbing, considering that the Visions are actually Chekov's gun to the overall plot of the game (due to vague/mysterious lore surrounding them), which could/might be a possibility that the people, memories, life forces, and the gods, are just objects of consumptions/cannon fodder for the *Heavenly Principles in Celestia* (they're speculated to be dead/like a ghost/weakened/inactive, because they didn't react with the death of the Hydro Archon/ seat of Hydro Archon is gone and given back to a Hydro Sovereign) **

[@LanxPenzenpepper]

So in the grand scale of things, only future hydro wielders like furina are safe because we at least know Neuvellette has no other motives in giving them any visions 😂

[@AldenEmroch]

Is a really strong theory, is not mentioned on this video but the visions are actually the reason as to why Lisa chooses to not accept a higher position on the knights of favonius (besides the workload), she doesnt like using her vision much because she's cautious of it, to quote one of her lines ''A Vision may seem like a great tool, but one day, the power one accumulates always finds a way to turn back on you. Should such a day come for me, so long as you're around...Ah nevermind.'' which is a bit creepy. Another interesting line on her character story says the following ''With the aid of her Vision, Lisa acquired the knowledge that she sought. But she also sensed the deep secret hidden in the shadows of that knowledge. For whatever reason, the gods gave humans the key to changing everything, but they did not explain the cost involved. Lisa grew fearful of the truth.'' There's a big secret related to the visions given by the current authority but she refuses to know more cause she doesn't want to defy the gods, Traveler ,Mona and Albedo on the other hand are actively trying to search for those truths. Its something that has been stablished since the very start so i agree that is probably a chekov's gun

[@coco-wc1cz]

The panopticon theory was debunked a while ago, there are no prison bars, inmates or guards in that panel, those structures resemble balconies in a council room/chamber rather than jail cells. And we see Venessa leave Celestia at 2:42, which you can't do in a prison.

[@rabbits2345]

Tbh when I first saw it, I thought of the galactic senate from star wars movies first. So my interpretation was she was joining a council of sorts instead of a prison

[@erikboncoref.7020]

Well, the best prison is the one who looks the least like it, and the one in which the inmates are most clueless about being prisoners (and even being grateful for their imprisonment), so I'll just leave this here and leave silently

[@coco-wc1cz]

@@erikboncoref.7020 true but is it even a prison if they're allowed to leave at their will? doesn't that defeat the point of a prison?

[@Crystal323100]

@@coco-wc1cz No, actually. It depends how the prison operates, you don't need bars to be trapped. They just need a mental hold, though they never needed bars for one reason... Teyvat is a bubble floating through a void, so all of them are stuck in the realm together. Only the ones whom they know can escape through the firmament need to be dealt with.

[@coco-wc1cz]

@@Crystal323100 hmm that makes sense, but i can't say im convinced still, appreciate ur reply tho thank you

[@paraalemdossonhos7507]

I agree with your theory. Because, we can consider the name "illusions" as a reference to "visions" in the sense that the latter is nothing more than something false, which deceives its users.

[@usubenidango]

Ei - taking out visions Tsaritsa - taking out gnosis Both characters are mostly seen as villains but i just KNOW there's some sort of greater good behind their actions. Still, it doesn't condone all the lives that were lost in the meanwhile.

[@SaiyanGamer95]

Well, Ei was an antagonist, but not really a villain. Her actions, while harmful, was done because of what she believed to be for the best; her main goal being to protect Inazuma from Celestia's wrath, so it wouldn't be destroyed like Khaenri'ah. You are right about the Tsaritsa; it's been stated that she's gathering Gnoses because she plans on waging a war against Celestia.

[@usubenidango]

@@SaiyanGamer95 I agree with you! It feels nice to chat with people who actually understand the lore, here in my homecountry (brazil) a lot of people don't understand ei and just label her as straight up evil when that's not true :(

[@SaiyanGamer95]

@usubenidango I've seen a number of people on the internet (don't know their country) who labeled Ei as evil or even still consider her as unlikable and liken her to a tyrant.

[@ingang8817]

@@SaiyanGamer95there are too many of them that I dont even care anymore 😂 they can’t understand complex concept. All things is just black or white.

[@Infelious]

When I seen those people in Inazuma my idea was that a Vision actually takes a part of the person, their ambition and crystallises it (so it never diminishes it solidifies) so when the Vision Hunt Decree took their Visions it was like it took a part of their soul. Though the one contrary thing to the taking a part of their soul is people like Itto was fine, so maybe they have the will to overcome and change ambitions or the latter is wrong. I also had a theory that when someone is given a Vision is something akin to exchanging your soul or part of it with the devil for a chance of achieving something, though in this case the Vision is forced upon the person so its more like its shackling them to a certain path or *fate* those the guise the person wants it.

[@deudaux]

A note in the Narzissenkreuz Ordo confirms your second paragraph.

[@ancientroullete]

I think visions are crystallized soul. It’s why when one has their vision taken away, they become a shell of themselves. Without a soul, what can one be fulfilled by. Leading into that, I also believe that celestial gives visions out to those of power and great prestige so that when the time is right, celestia can take them away, and cripple the mortals in power and those with prestige. Why exactly, I don’t know, but this is just a theory.

[@Xhosant]

One more benign alternative to the sponge bit is that the vision grows with the wielder. Upon death, claiming it returns a powerful vision, instead of the 'starter kit' vision that was handed out, essentially crowdsourcing the visions' development.

[@cyaniire6924]

I have a small problem with the part here, 4:57 where you said the seven overseers are whoever has authority over their respective elements to give out visions. But while Nahida was imprisoned, and Apep was too busy being sick with forbidden knowledge and absolutely despising the heavens and their creations, people could still receive dendro visions (namely Rana, who received one in the aranyaka quest). How was Nahida or Apep able to give out visions? You can make the argument that Nahida still had access to the outside world, or that she was still bound to celestia, but then doesn't that straight up make archons the seven overseers, which we know isn't true? If that wasn't enough for people to not receive dendro visions for a period of time, how was it enough for Ei to change her mind about visions for a year or two so that electro visions wouldn't be given out? I think the seven overseers are directly connected to the archons in some way or form, but aren't exactly the people who hold authority over their respective elements, because the archons' personalities definitely hold some effect over who gets what type of visions, but they themselves aren't the deciders of it. Also let's not forget that according to Zhongli, visions are also a form of contract. The seven overseers aren't giving out those visions for nothing lol, so celestia is definitely getting something back.

[@snailwhale6673]

Ei wasnt exactly fulfilling her duty as an Archon plus she was in an entirely different dimension(Plane of Euthymia) so maybe that has something to do with it. Apep does not have the authority of Dendro, Nahida does. Nahida genuinely loves her people and even though she was caged she still had access to the outside, so their might not be enough interference to stop Dendro Visions. As to how exactly Visions are handed out is still up in the air.

[@cyaniire6924]

@@snailwhale6673 Ei has been in the Plane of Euthymia for 300-400 years, but visions had only stopped being given out after the vision hunt decree was implemented, that Ei herself approved. And the point I am trying to make about Nahida and Apep is that if Nahida had the authority over dendro, doesn't that mean she is the one handing out visions, which directly contradicts with raiden's vision voiceline saying their will doesn't play a part in visions being given out? And if Apep was the one with authority over dendro, what happened to dragons absolutely despising the heavenly principles for stealing their power and establishing a new order?

[@sparkistds4490]

Yeah it's rather clear to me that whoever has authority over elements has no connection to visions themselves being given out, it just doesn't fit with the amount of context we have about visions right now

[@_dragonflies_]

Ei causing the electro visions to not be given out is still very weird and doesn't really make sense, at least to me. According to Neuvillette, the Archons don't have any say at all in the vision distribution. Their power is taken from them regardless of their own will, and they themselves have no authority over whom this power does or doesn't go to. Nahida's Throne is intact, so there weren't any problems with the power being taken even when she was confined, that makes sense. Ei's situation really doesn't. If the Archons' Will, according to both Neuvillette and Ei herself, doesn't matter, than why would the vision hunt stop the distribution of the Electro Visions? And if their Will does matter, why would both Ei and Neuvillette deny it? Maybe I'm missing something...

[@Ben-gh4zc]

@@cyaniire6924 how do we know that the electro visions have not been given out for that long?

[@PGM991]

after receiving Authority back, Nuevilette probably have 2 way to gave out Vision. by let the 'law' working automatically and granting vision to suitable individual. or personally giving it like Furina's i highly doubt that he'll have time to personally giving vision to every single individual so most of time is the former only on special case like Furina's to be the later.

[@ambieee]

I don't think he personally gave her a vision, it just so happened she fulfilled the requirements for getting one

[@PGM991]

@@ambieee we're just have to see if any future Hydro vision holder have a 'fang' shape in vision's frame. if not then it's mean Furina vision is special, personally giving by Hydro dragon himself.

[@Shush7717]

​@@PGM991 Even if we meet another hydro character in the future they would most likely already have had a vision before nuevillette got his authority back. Eitherways nuevillette can't give visions. The visions system is created by celestia and the elemental power they contain comes from the archon authorities. Since nuevillette isn't an archon he isn't duty bound by celestia but still decided to share his power cause he acknowledges human will.

[@ambieee]

@@PGM991 she has fangs around it likely because it was from a dragon sovereign. It's literally in a voice line about visions that he has no control over who gets a vision from him and how he set aside pieces of his authority for this.

[@kieran1129]

​@@ambieee Not really. He says Archons have no choice in the matter and are duty-bound to give visions but that isn't his case as he obeys no edict from the heavens and he *chose* to set aside parts of himself. Whether or not he can choose who specifically gets a vision isn't a certain fact at the moment, we don't have anything proving or disproving it.

[@Il_Capitano_No.1]

Damn what was Ei cooking

[@Violinvi]

“This character cannot cook”

[@henrydrago]

Where is a quest to go to every Archon and ask if they knew that the Gnosis were the remains of the third descended? NAHIDAAA USE YOUR GOOGLE TREE

[@Balls3829]

3:19 Isn’t this story eerily similar to the 3rd descender Especially the Purusha part

[@Aeizium]

I disagree. I believe the price for a Vision is entangling yourself into the eternal war between the Light Realm and the Void Realm. The Primordial One creates Visions for people who are bound by fate, so they are only doomed by fate. There is a price, but it is ultimately an honourable thing to serve the one who created humanity even though the PO stole the Dragon's Authorities.

[@gracecrosby730]

Something I noticed that all but confirms that the archons don’t distribute visions is actually with the harbingers, specifically La Signora. She gives the harbingers DELUSIONS, not visions. She gave Childe an electro delusion, for example. But La Signora is what gives me more evidence, because she was given a CRYO delusion. If archons could give out visions of their own element, then it would’ve been a Cryo vision instead.

[@sailorrinn6134]

Visions remind me of soul gems in Madoka Magicka. The wielders don't know it, but (spoilers) When you're granted a soul gem, your soul is placed inside. When it's far from you, you become unresponsive. It's like an external organ. I wonder if, once a vision-wielder dies, their vision returning is like the remains of the person reuniting.

[@stockehistorica1349]

Then there's folks like Itto and Childe who are still fine after being separated from their vision for extended periods.

[@fancymustache3793]

I look at visions as seeds. They are given to people with strong enough ambitions to bring change to the world or achieve great power. This is so that very person can use the vision and slowly help it grow through usage as well as potentially leeching on their drive to fulfill their desires as a sort of fuel source so it can be used in general. The vision becomes "addicted" to the ambition of its user and when that person dies before fully nurturing (aka ascending) the vision only somebody with a sinilar enough ambition can awaken it and becone the new fuel source. What I mean by nurturing the vision is I mean as they use it thevision gets more and more powerful. Referring to the line mentioning how the gift returned is abundant still I think its like when say you give somebody a computer to use. Over time they may get upgrades for that computer and may eventually give it back. Of course its still used but it got back to you better than when you gave it away without you having to be the one to pay the price. Visions could work in a similar fashion where as the user depends on the vision it slowly gets stronger and stronger inherently like being given a cup of water half full being returned with more water. They take the refined energy the person had created while having the vision and use it for whatever. As for why they get jailed in celestia I think its because they are still acting as the fuel source for thevision and thus the vision still needs that person alive to produce energy. In order to prevent the person from getting strong enough to escape or contest those in charge they lock them away and siphon the energy from them directly.

[@goop4032]

according to a text you can read in a fontaine quest "To receive a Vision to sell oneself to the "'fate'" of this world - to Heimarmene, and to evermore lose the chance to walk the correct path" but this was also apart of the narzissenkreuz who had some wonky ways of thinking

[@ashleyandanime4815]

I have a theory about Celestia! My theory is that Celestia is like hob while the sustainer is like Kiana. I think that Celestia, and I mean like, the island has its own consciousness and that’s how it’s able to move even tho the gods in it might be dead. The sustainer is actually good, however Celestia is evil and controlling her, similar to how hov controlled Kiana and Kiana was good. The travelers purifying ability could’ve purified the sustainer and that’s why the sustainer looked shocked when they caught the traveler, that could’ve been the first time they saw anything with their own eyes in a very very very long time. This could also explain the fact that in game it says “the sustainer is fading away, you have yet to ascend” the sustainer is slowly fading away from her own body, and only if the traveler ascends can they have a strong enough purifying effect to save her life. If you compare hov and the sustainers outfits they also have a lot more parallels than just the hair. Kianas latest battlesuit, hofi is also covered in 4-pointed stars, so that’s a fun detail to point out

[@13-bit-kitten]

We must also remember the constellations on the false sky: a part of the person's fate is falling in our hands upon wishing, never truly leaving Teyvat but supporting the false sky with their shine. Maybe after their death the Allogenes are supposed to become a part of a power structure encasing Teyvat, "the false sky", like that Leonard dude from Where Ancient Stars Align Quest?

[@SpiceyCreature]

Soo, if the Travelers doesnt do their thing against THP, and Furina ascends, would the deception then be discovered, and the people of Fontain dissolved anyways?

[@milkbread51]

what if the 3rd descender is actually our dead sibling. And the one we see in game is just like copy or husk that looks like them. this theory has been floating about for a while now and we all know how much hoyo loves to have 2 versions of the same character in this game (i mean 3 of the past 5 archons has had a double of some sort) so it’s plausible. i don’t think we should discredit our sibling being the 3rd just yet and would help explain why they’re connected to the world of teyvat when we aren’t. or maybe im delusional 💀

[@TheAkrillion]

Well, the Archon war, which is when the Gnoses were given out to the winners, happened before we descended into Teyvat with our sibling, so I doubt that's true.

[@joshsolders5543]

I get the feeling that its something akin to the third sponge type theory. It generates the power for the elemental users, but also sends some power back. The vision is left after the death of Kazuha's friend and then he uses, so that probably means their purpose is more important in Teyvat or it was an exception. I doubt the soul prison option will be the end result because that would end the game on a sour note. Either you break Celestia and the prison taking away all elemental abilities or you have to realize that everyone you play with is going to have a terrible fate in the end... unless they decided to destroy Celestia without it affecting anything as a cop out. Its probably closer to the oractrice. What to do with the ascending part... I don't know. They don't necessarily need to be connected.

[@remrare257]

Feels like you’ve accelerated the video.

[@alc6398]

With all these theories and knowing that the archons are named after demons it makes sense that visions are like contracts of selling your soul to the devil. Since Teyvat is upside down it makes sense that Celestia could actually be hell instead of heaven.

[@kayleighdriessen]

Imagine after watching this you're praying for your favorite playayble characters to never have to suffer this horrible fate worse than death for an Allogene.

[@ashy969]

1:49 okay, this is creepy... We get to 1984 territories...

[@Kasraken]

One thing to remember is that the Archons were the most powerful rulers of their lands before being given a Gnosis and didn't need a vision to be powerful. The war was fought before the Gnosis were given, and some rulers/gods refused to accept or take part in this conflict (even though the war still happen and they were either destroyed or driven out anyway). So it stand to reason that what the winners were actually given was a seat of divinity. Or rather we will call it "additional power" gained from that which was released when so many powerful being were defeated in the war. Celestia of course harvesting all of the power and then dividing some of it into 7 parts for the "seats of authority" issues to the winners. I could be way off base with that, but those are just some of my thoughts sparked by your video concerning the role and true power of the "original" archons before they were tasked with transferring their throne of divinity to a successor when they pass away.

[@SaiyanGamer95]

Not all of them were the strongest. Venti was just a wind sprite at the time. The only other candidate was Andrius, who knew he would be a poor fit for Archon, due to his dislike (though not exactly hatred) of humanity. With Rukkhadevata, there was no combat at all; the Goddess of Flowers and King Deshret simply died, leaving Rukkhadevata as the only candidate for Archon. Egria (the previous Hydro Archon) was sealed away during the Archon War by Celestia for her crime. The other candidate, Remus, went made and became a tyrant, being killed as a result, so Celestia made her take his position. We currently don't know anything about the Pyro and Cryo Archons. But you are right about Zhongli being the strongest of his region.

[@stevem.9340]

Imagine if Celestia goes Order 66 on the vision holders...

[@coconuthuman1797]

I believe those who deserved visions are people who get big responsibility or task by gods, like harbingers, because they're directly tasked by the goddess Tsaritsa, not just some random people. Just because random characters and npcs have big ambitions, do they deserve visions? No, cause they can create create chaos if one day they lose control by using their visions for bad things especially if it's related to their ambitions. Personally I think visions are like black magic, we know mortals sometimes have desires that are impossible to achieve. So in order for mortals to achieve that impossible thing, they need some kind of 'magic', in this game we call it vision.

[@shammahmukiisa9418]

facts

[@racool911]

I wonder if there is any specific ambition that Childe lost without his Vision.

[@Bake-kurijra]

Well what if that place they go to is the place where vision welders are actually transformed into gods . It makes more sense then becoming power sores

[@charziz6693]

Either way no one has ever seen an ascended Vision wielder so they still can't leave celestia.

[@duanebacon]

What if this is more like "Valkyrie profile" where vision wielders are "divine einherjar" not doomed but after death, the souls will join the asgardian war.

[@necrotic15i6]

Yeeee

[@Stefanellif]

Hey Aster, would it be possible to add captions for non-native english viewers? That would be much appreciated!

[@ljcool17]

In the end we'll all be using traveler and only few of us built our travelers

[@alphakingkilu3537]

What weird is how delusion is created from god remains and gnosis is created from decender remain and venti allegory can be said to how the gnosis is created. Vision can’t be like delusion and gnosis cause it would be weird for neuvillette to grant Furina a vision while knowing about the truth about gnosis. To me vision is something like Thor hammer where the ambition let human access the elemental while vision shape and control the elements kinda how Thor control lightning but his hammer help him control it a catalyst of some kind.

[@witchcandy3671]

During the Vision hunt decree where Visions were forcibly taken from the citizens of Inazuma there was a quest where the Traveler had to investigate people who lost their Vision. Often deeply impacting the psychology of each of them. With the death of Kazhua's friend and the Electro Vision reignited we could suggest that the Vision resonated with Kazhua but did it alter his psychology? Most definitely there appears to be a symbiotic relationship between Vision and Wielder but I would posit it is the Wielders Will to change the world that causes this attraction.

[@sylvarogre5469]

Have you considered the parable of the Talents?

[@obievil]

you know what I just noticed for the first time? the scene at 6:55 Where Venti is sitting on the hands of his own statue... in the middle of the night.. there is a shadow that looks to be attached to him. Wings? Foreshadowing? I don't know

[@TheCsel]

It might seem weird, but I see a lot of parallels in Genshin to the “So I’m a spider so What?” Light novel. Which side note the VA’s for JP Lumine and Aether are the VA’s for the two main characters in Spider, If you’ve only seen the mediocre anime version it seems like a fairly basic isekai with the twist that the main character is a spider, but the RPG Fantasy story has a lot going on underneath it. Without specific spoilers, the advanced world collapsed due to overuse of the planet’s life force and a war with dragons, then the world was remade with a mechanism to sustain life where people cultivate skills and magical powers which return to sustain the world on their death. So wars are an intentional mechanism to keep the world alive.

[@TheCsel]

I also see a lot of similarities in genshin to the Dark Materials/ Golden Compass series, but both are inspired by Gnosticism so it’s not too surprising

[@hunycomb762]

How are you .your voice is so lovely

[@zero-pantsu-samus3203]

We still dont know if Arlecchino will actually hand over Childe his vision

[@yxtqwf]

Considering Venti was good friends with Vennessa, would he still act the same way as he does if this were true, and he were aware of that?

[@TNTboyz1997]

❤💜❤💜❤

[@ajergely6230]

The poem seems to be inspired by the norse myth of the world being created from the corpse of giants, murdered by the gods. Maybe it is also merged with the orphic myth of the creation of humans : it says Zeus killed the titans with his thunder, and that humans were created from their ashes. That titan part in everyone of them, that hint of divinity was what enabled any human to ascend.

[@UltimateGenosyko]

very Madoka Magica coded

[@tsuki7902]

1:50 does that mean Ayato will loose his vision?

[@FruitJuice1009]

real

[@amouramarie]

I don't think it's established that it was the Second Who Came who worked with the First to create the gnoses. It only says "one who came after." Unless I'm missing some place it was positively said to be the Second Throne? I don't think the Second would work with the First on anything.

[@F1ll1nTh3Blanks]

HAH!! TAKE THAT EI HATERS!!! See that.. visions aint such the great thing you thought it was. Okay, now i have set that fire cracker off, I'll actually try to be serious. Essentially, we now know that visions are not necessarily the great thing we originally thought and, Ei might have been inadvertently on to something, with her vision hunt and eternity ideals. I feel like if Inazuma didn't come out so woefully undercooked, we might have have got s better perspective on allogenes and the Heavenly Principles and their orders since the establishment of the 7.

[@PelonStar]

Why are you here and why are you on every genshin channel I watch

[@Empressranda]

I agree!

[@KitnaMW]

I still hate Ei, just for all different reasons

[@ayag.8306]

This is what I’ve been trying to tell everyone. We don’t get Ei’s full perspective in the Archon Quest, nor did we, or still have, the full story, but it’s obvious that Ei was just taking a well intentioned extreme to save her citizens from Celestia’s greater clutches.

[@ayag.8306]

I think once we do get the full side, Inazuma’ as story will look better in hindsight.

[@maiafay]

What if all the Vision holders become Hilichurls when they die?

[@kikimi]

ei did signed an nda

[@astridmustikasyamsuri6207]

I mean why neuvillette bestow furina a vision then? I mean it is from a dragon sovereign sure might be different, but if he knows what vision is and deadly implication I dont think he will present it for furina, the one he know already suffer the most

[@darkhearttantibus2766]

The vision given by a dragon sovereign is different, because it's not bound to Celestia's preordained fate. It didn't bind Furina to a constellation that Celestia prepared for her. It's even giving Furina more freedom to act as she wants to because Neuvillette gave her a part of his mastery, and not from the ursurpers

[@amouramarie]

@@darkhearttantibus2766 I wonder if we'll get to see any more visions given by Neuvillette, or if all the Hydro vision holders we get in the future will have received their visions before the events in Fontaine.

[@Bollz69]

today is a good day

[@einsofjehohazabraham5957]

But if they are doomed why would neuvillet gave a vision to furina

[@user-vj4cu6sb7m]

it's possible that furina's situation is a bit different, from everyone elses, because it's directly given by a dragon holding full authority.

[@runo_unono]

Because it wasn't from Celestia. It was from his own rightful authority and power. I like to look this on a perspective of Neuvillette making sure Furina wouldn't be bound to Celestia again because of a Vision or any other power. Also it feels like a thanks gift or an encouragement of sorts from Neuvillette as he wanted her to not abondon her true love and talent for the stages and performance bc her traumatic past

[@maiafay]

Why do people keep thinking he gives them out to whomever? He has no control over who receives the Hydro visions. It states this in his story.

[@runo_unono]

@@maiafay Archons are one who has no say in this and who are obligated to set a part of their power while Neuvillette did that willingly. This itself shows he has power over the vision thing. I can understand the point of “you still need to be ambitious and willing to get that hydro vision” tho. His values and requirements of giving them out is his own and aligns with his will not Celestia’s. So he is still the one giving them out one way or another. He could easily take that part aside and don't acknowledge human will. “Neuvillette obeys no edict from the heavens, but he does acknowledge human will. So he too set aside parts of himself, as like unto the dragon-treasure hoards of old, awaiting valiant humans to come and claim them.”

[@grecia3146]

I really distrust anything that come from Celestia so I do thing Visions have a double motive to them.

[@VrtielA6300]

If only anybody else needs to understanding Keqing... As she never believes in the gods, and also she can't be powerful as everyone.

[@ariedits3816]

1h ago!!

[@isdrakon9802]

No throne video?

[@marcattilio]

Really interesting video, though i do belive it would‘t harm if you were to speak a little slower. There is no need to cut out every smallest break, we need some time to process the information, and there is no time limit here like in shorts. I personally would appreciate a slightly calmer pace, bit that‘s just my opinion though.

[@marcattilio]

Honestly the video feels kinda stressful like that😅

[@connoratwood7893]

Qiqi already dead so…. What more could she lose?

[@brandonpierce2539]

True, but maybe this is a big brain play from Celestia; they give Qiqi a Vision moments before she dies, but the Adepti use their combined power to revive her. So, if the sponge theory is true, Qiqi's Vision is now absorbing raw Adepti power for whenever she finally passes on, which would be a huge step up from a random herb gathering girl.

[@A_random_funeral_consultant]

@@brandonpierce2539this also sounds more interesting when you realise the adepti said humans rarely survive internal adeptal power to the traveler who was (somewhat) dying from it slowly in the osial fight Qiqi is a lot stronger than people think (for many reasons)

[@Infelious]

@@A_random_funeral_consultant The will to live is the strong will a creature can have, imagine that condensed into a Vision, in theory it should be godlike.

[@RebellionBloodshed]

You're baka

[@ayag.8306]

The fact that Visions are so heavily Soul Gem coded isn’t helping.

[@Opp950]

What if they Cyro Archon is trying to revive the Pyro o.o because they are loversss :O story of fire and ice!!!

[@umidh2]

Ei did nothing wrong

[@avyay9818]

First time I’ve ever been first to a video 😂

[@Bollz69]

have a cookie 🍪 cuz you are second ..

[@avyay9818]

@@Bollz69 Oh. Too bad. I’ll take the cookie

[@Bollz69]

@@avyay9818ok! have a nice day 🎉

[@crowfully]

first? :0

[@Bollz69]

no 3rd so have a cake 🍰

[@Makimasimp29]

Tarantado yan si venti. Tinatanong ng maayos kung ano ano sinasagot.

[@iostream1241]

naw. who old are you. are you even a guy or a she? i'm not sure

[@InanisNihil]

Lol all mondstadter contradict yae miko and inazuma lore of visions and ambitions… 😂 I noticed mondstadters genuinely don’t are visions really.. barely even talk about em.. some even tried to get rid of em like diluc I think but I came back… meanwhile mondstadt npcs are built so different they just don’t give a fk about dangerous and do wut they want.. these ppl literally had to have the knights try to convince them to not leave the city to avoid the effects of meteor.. climbing the church or state.. literally jumping off cliffs for fun to glide… reality is MONDSTADERS are by far the most independent ppl thus most ambitious… I completely disagree that the “most ambitious” receive visions… Cyrus should have a vision then.. Timeaus should have one… Ellen should defo have one.. that blind chick too… 😂 visions seems completely random tbh… if diona got one simply for her desire to challenge booze and Lisa got one simply cause she said I want one.. 😂 something doesn’t add up unless mondstadters are just built different.. aka SUPERIOR.. also btw I forgot who it was but it was in inzuma where a guy had his vision taken and he actually didn’t care it was taken and literally said he was better off without it and DIDNT have any negative effects.. so I detect actual bs plot holes.. 😂 that guy FOUND NEW GOAL/AMBITION with a vision after he had his vision confiscated… I think some of y’all might remember.. remind me of his name cause I forget.. it was part of the quest where we had to go see a few ppl who lost vision to see the effect.. we ignore that one of those guys was completely fine.. 😂 it’s like if ur favorite video game died and all y’all became miserable losers with no life left meanwhile that guy said.. “eh it such a but I guess I’ll find a new game to favorite” 😂💀 so I disagree losing a vision means losing ambition.. rather ppl who lose ambition are actually mentally weak and it’s their unhealthy delusional obsession with an object they got GIFTED that leads to SEKF INFLICTED pathetic state.. conclusion it’s BS unless plot hole where we ignore the guy npc who basically said “eh fk it.. not worth it I’ll just remember there’s more to life then just POWER” 😂