Vader Immortal: A Star Wars VR Series | PSVR Review

[@peterallnight9097]

Seeing Vader in VR is worth every penny absolutely amazing

[@clynny8926]

yea he was very intimidating

[@theforceisstrongwiththisga2670]

Ahhh... really wish the quick turning/ teleportation wasn’t in there. Hopefully they’ll patch that. Dojo’s look awesome. Really glad we got this on PSVR!

[@argoniansloth2767]

🤞😶🤞

[@chrisdraper1788]

The only thing that makes me nauseous with vr is this quick turn and teleport crap....

[@NextWaveTracks]

The move controllers lack of analogue sticks to move freely is the biggest letdown of the psvr.

[@theforceisstrongwiththisga2670]

Russ X really hope that gets fixed for the PSVR 2

[@thegamerguy3099]

@@NextWaveTracks bro skyrim vr did movement right the hell are you talking about? I felt as free as ever. Another game that did movement well was saints and sinners. Thats two games that did vr movement flawlessly. Its possible but its up to the developers to do that kinda stuff. You wanna know what game absolutely fucking sucks on psvr gorn or gorne however you say it, that game is a fucking chore to play.

[@bnturner05]

Being a Star wars fan and having psvr I think it’s a must buy for me but thanks for the great review as always

[@Ilovemybeautifulwife]

Dont buy it its a waste I bought it and the game feels so dead the click turning makes you feel sick and the graphics are garbage

[@morganrobinson1489]

Lil Draco it's because it was made for the oculus headsets as they have better graphics and less to no screen door effect. It wasnt supposed to be on psvr

[@Ilovemybeautifulwife]

Morgan Robinson ohhh okay thanks for that bro i was wondering why it was like that

[@morganrobinson1489]

Lil draco it's alright anytime

[@Visethelegend]

Morgan Robinson whats the door screen effect?

[@bigboycheesytoes702yearsag6]

I was originally waiting for this review before i got the game but i couldnt resist and i bought it yesterday and honestly as a lifelong star wars fan its the best vr game i have played the dojo makes me feel like a god and i actually feel like i have the force its such a good game imo even if the story is a little short lived

[@bigboycheesytoes702yearsag6]

minners71 i have played all the main psvr games and in a close second for me would be twd the reason its second is because as much as i love twd it isnt really a walking dead game its more of a zombie survival game but star wars vader immortal has so much lore to it from the comics and what not i have watched star waars since i was a kid and finally wielding a lightsaber along side vader and using the force its a life long dream tbh

[@Alex_Logan22]

BigBOYcheesyTOES Some people just don’t prioritize lore/story as high as others.

[@bigboycheesytoes702yearsag6]

SmoothLegend yeah im not saying everyone will it was only my opinion

[@skyhunter2816]

You should check out pistol whip. It's a blast.

[@bigboycheesytoes702yearsag6]

Sky Hunter i got it on release date

[@MaybeUnMasked]

I got it yesterday and I do not regret even though I have already finished it

[@Coids]

Agreed, teleportation completely ruins the immersive experience. But you just can’t beat the feeling of holding a lightsaber in VR...

[@kemilkerim4973]

Its just one of the options inside VR you could to move in it too

[@argoniansloth2767]

See?! That lack of 1:1 ratio with saber hilt and controller is ridiculous. Thanks for the thorough review. Needs a patch for so many of these things before I spend $30 on a Disney game with less polish than on quest. Walking dead puts it to shame.

[@anockin]

Agreed. For me, that's even more unforgivable than forcing teleport movement. Will wait for a patch.

[@argoniansloth2767]

@@anockin love the name & pic 😂

[@anockin]

@@argoniansloth2767 thanks! 🙏🏽

[@svareter42]

@@JazGalaxy it might. But for me it does the totally opposite thing. I get motion sick/spacial disoriented. And then I can not play the game. And I don't get motion sick, in IRL or a fuild VR game, like Ace Combat7, or flying in No Mans Sky. I've flown aerobatics in real life too. Teleportation is a game breaker for me.

[@argoniansloth2767]

@@JazGalaxy ? Which part? the controller not matching up to the lightsaber hilt, or the fact that like on all the other platforms including quest, smooth movement is an option for locomotion instead of only teleportation.

[@TrashTalk878]

I can finally prove the theory that I have where Vader just needed a hug and he will become good again. Boy won’t you guys feel dumb when I become Vader’s new son

[@Thenesrookie]

I'd say it'll get a Sale when The Mandalorian season 2 comes out in October so I think I'll wait.

[@theburgerking746]

Thenesrookie I had no idea season 2 was that soon

[@gojtron]

Heck, I'll wait till next May 4 to hit $10 with these handicaps

[@leon_radics6530]

Wtf it doesnt even cost 30$, what do you Want to pay? Nothing?

[@Thenesrookie]

@@leon_radics6530 You know there are numbers lower than 30 right? I live in a country where everything costs more due to taxes etc. I'm waiting for what you'd call 20usd so that it's more affordable. The game is only 2 hours with the story plus extra content with the dojo. As well as this there's no full locomotion. I'm clearly not the only one who thinks it's a little over priced.

[@leon_radics6530]

Thenesrookie Yea sorry i was being kinda cocky, i know. I just thought that if you want to buy something, you shouldnt wait months just to save a few dollars. Its not gonna make that big of a difference at this price range. But everyone has a different budget, so I dont mind those who want to save some money.

[@JOSHCHIMICH]

I just spent about two hours on the first episode and the first dojo. Everything hurts 😂 Yet, i haven’t had this much fun in years. I felt like a proper Jedi by the end....or....maybe a sith?. Still can’t decide. It was worth every penny for me as a VR fan and a Star Wars fan combined. I had two hard crashes though, I think the game couldn’t handle my saber mastery 😂 Still, I had quite a lot of fun, and, it makes me hopeful for the future of Star Wars and VR. Next up, SQUADRONS......Red Five Standing By!!

[@ethanray2021]

did you feel like the saber wasn’t 1-1 with where you should be holding it?

[@Seymour__Gamecats]

No locomotion is a big deal for me. Teleportation is so disorienting, I can't stand it. Hopefully they patch it in soon cause I'm excited to give them my money!

[@svareter42]

I have the same problem. Teleportation make me 'Car-sick'. Fluid motion, I'm totally good with, without feeling sick.

[@HandCraFted89]

I feel it brother i will absolutely not play teleportation i hate it

[@Alex_Logan22]

Jimbo Bimbo You guys were probably just teleporting around too much/quickly, you’re not supposed to use it rapidly.

[@Avok11]

Jimbo Bimbo so weird, it’s the reverse for me. Free motion is what makes me motion sick in VR.

[@adamparlette23]

I had never heard that people get motion sick from teleporting. I dont mind teleporting too much as the first vr games I played were teleport movement and while I greatly prefer smooth locomotion I can look passed teleport movement. I never got sick in vr until I got Skyrim and played for 4 hours straight with all the comfort settings off, smooth fast turning and movement.

[@kenball1980]

I hope it sells really well to motivate them to make us a real Star Wars game.

[@allarian8726]

They wont be able to because of legal reasons.

[@bananasean5145]

I would like them to center the sabor where your move controller is and add a freaken brightness setting. Other then that I love this game so far.

[@mermaidman961]

It really is amazing seeing that stormtrooper that comes on your ship and vader walking down the hall in front of you, when you see it on KZbin it feels normal but in vr it really is like they're right in front of you.

[@Willientus]

They should definitely add in smooth motion when moving, it felt like I was missing a crucial option and I had to tap about the settings abit to realise this cannot be changed and a few googles. Other than that the Dojo reminds me of the good era in gaming where they added unique interesting content with alot of replay ability.

[@vexxlnc430]

Started this last night, didn’t get very far as I ran out of time. It’s awesome so far. So immersive

[@patty__]

2:40 if the options screen is too far away click options to resume then again to open it up again then it’ll be fixed

[@lucdav1435]

Came here to say this. It’s something I discovered the second time it happened to me unfortunately

[@topperHarley]

Quest version has smooth turning and smooth locomotion so they might add it in psvr version if enough People ask for it.

[@svareter42]

OK, then it is even worse, if the original had is. And they just did a cheap_as$ impression breaking teleportation for PSVR.

[@topperHarley]

@@svareter42 they also had to adapt the gameplay to the psvr and move controllers. No more 360 degree gameplay like on the Quest. Action only happening at 180 degree, especially in the dojo.

[@Alex_Logan22]

topper Harley Iron Man solved that, but not every game is a dedicated PSVR project.

[@gojtron]

@@Alex_Logan22 Being published by Sony, I imagine Iron Man devs had the new tech first.

[@ryepop]

Although it has the teleportation and lacks some of the things the PCVR has, this is overall a great port and probably once this Panasonic is over the studio will go back and patch it what they missed this round. Great review Bryan and thank you for everything you do man. Keep up the breathtaking work.

[@markus7166]

Breathtaking work ? 🤦🏼‍♂️😂

[@TheRavenArchon]

I played the Oculus version and it has the option to turn off the teleport movement. I, personally, don't actually mind teleport movement, it's how I played Half-Life Alex, as smooth motion in VR often makes me motion sick, but the option to turn it off is there. It's a shame the lack of options and bugs makes this less than the Oculus version - it's literally "The Game" that I play VR for. The campaign is awesome, and with all three chapters (bought separately on quest) it's actually reasonably lengthy, and the dojos are infinitely replayable. I often get lost in them for hours. You absolutely feel like a boss Jedi after a few rounds of tossing people around, deflecting blasters, parrying other lightsabers, tossing your saber at storm troopers, etc. And so many great unlockables - custom saber hilts, crystal colors, alternate glove cosmetics, even the option to dual wield. Highly recommend. Even with the issues on the PSVR version I would still recommend it if that's what you have. It's just that good of an experience IMO.

[@younggordan8748]

Been waiting four years and didn’t watch a single KZbin clip, well worth the wait.

[@mastenkidd7036]

Star wars is amazing , and can’t wait to play it on br

[@itsbrentrr6290]

VR you mean?

[@mastenkidd7036]

Ye and rec room goat

[@mutedunknown2734]

@@itsbrentrr6290 Nah Br. Burtual Reality

[@aaronfischer4160]

I will be holding out for a patch. If I’m going to play this, I want to play it in its most effective form. Although I’m excited, I can wait. Thanks for the great review as always!

[@AscendantStoic]

Looks exciting and cool specially for Star Wars fans, that's definitely a game that will be worth revisiting in few weeks or months after few patches.

[@theonlypoliticalpundit.1474]

its 20 bucks until january 15th so if you still want it go get it

[@AscendantStoic]

@@theonlypoliticalpundit.1474 Thanks

[@humphreyward5637]

Played this in an afternoon, really an incredible experience

[@jaymeow4273]

Great review as always!

[@90dayfiance69]

The teleporting movement is AWFUL bring smooth motion walking!!

[@WithoutParole]

Preach on brother! :D

[@jordanzinser8248]

bought it yesterday and played through episode one just now. i do like it. it's an amazing proof of concept for more first person star wars games in vr. and yes, vader is always very unsettling to be around. when i was a kid, there wasn't a scarier boogeyman than him.

[@craigallison9348]

Im playing this through for the 1st time and I have to confess I got a little giddy when Vader made an appearance, yes a grown ass 47 year old man giddy!

[@richardsgameplay6537]

Thanks for the review Bryan. I'll keep the game on my wishlist for now. I'll check it later after a few patches.

[@terrystokes7893]

I read a lot of comments hating on this game, But I burned one, then drank one..., I love this shit And I’m a big Star Wars fan... Stay safe bruhs

[@svareter42]

As a huge Lightsaber fan, YES got a 'real one. *The immersion breaking, Teleportation way to move around. That will keep me from enjoying this experience. Although I really wish to, and want to. Might get it when it is on sale,.. Teleportation, should be eradicaded from VR as a way of playing.

[@ShalomBeats1026]

I’ve played every mission like 6 times. LOVED it!!!

[@Daubeny_the_dubious]

I was just playing this on my quest earlier Also it’s stupid that you gotta only teleport around and the weird wrist thing

[@thebearstigamecatscarvern6032]

Thanks for the review brian ill play this tomorrow morning

[@MonsterPartsRc]

I liked it (just finished ep2). But the wonky wrists and the bad tracking are annoying... as well as certain lightsaber swings not blocking the way they should in the training dojo... (when the droid swings at your left side and you hold your saber down to block it, it doesn’t block) also... you always seem to be too close to whatever you’re interacting with

[@TugaVR]

I just don't understand why it didn't come out to all countries, once again my country was left out, a hug continues your good work.

[@brokenhandthegamecat7008]

Looks like a buy when on sale and smooth locomotion added for me

[@mudeye5739]

I played through the story mode at least twice and repeated some of my favourite sections multiple times on top of that. Enjoyed it very much. I played on the Oculus Rift S and it didn't have the same bugs as the PSVR version.

[@Alex_Logan22]

Mudeye Thanks! I was wondering.

[@David0gden]

Thank you for the honest review. I'll wait until they get the lightsaber tracking and the free movement fixed.

[@braxbro7602]

Thank you for posting this the day of release! I have never been more iffy about buying a PSVR game.

[@hairo4242]

Thanks for actually telling an inside game review and not useless informations like I feel I played the game and know what to expect realising annoyances after you buy the game is very regrettable

[@bludfire01]

Thanks for the review, i really want this from a star wars fan position, but the click turn/teleportation puts it on hold for me at the moment. Hopefully they'll update in the near future. It does looks like good fun tbh.

[@SLG7celloMex]

Got the first episode yesterday for $5.99 for quest 2 in the Black Friday deals. Wonder if they ever released the patch after three years?

[@k31n3rd4]

I feel 8.2 is too high, it’s a wave shooter without movement in the glorified Dojo’s, and the story is click turning, teleportation and still manages to have you ending up in wrong places and the game doesn’t know where you are and you have to restart it to fix it. These are things that in 2020 are unacceptable from a big Disney money 30$! Game. Can’t be anything more than a 7.x. For a 8+ it should have smooth locomotion, also in the Dojos.

[@golquicjscoper]

There you go 30 dollars wait for a sale

[@hardtoget4567]

Vader immortal is ok on quest for new comer to vr when you compare with the other short quest standalone experience. Vader immortal quality is unacceptable on psvr when you compare it with the large library of good psvr games

[@dascenzo40]

Thank you so much for all the important info. I love Star Wars but click turning and teleportation are dealbreakers for me. You always have informative and excellent videos/podcasts. Keep up the great work!

[@WithoutParole]

I hope Disney/Lucasfilm hears our complaints - click turning and teleportation are important as options, but not having smooth turning and full locomotion in 2020 in insane. :D

[@mutedunknown2734]

By deal breaker you mean you wont get it or you will get it?

[@WithoutParole]

Muted unknown “dealbreaker” means he won’t get it

[@Matt_Bright_1983]

And don't forget not having the lightsaber match the move controllers orientation. I have that cheapo Jedi Challenges phone game and they managed to make the controller match the game in it, so this is unacceptable to me

[@klaymann888]

Lost me on click turning bollix ... big nope

[@WithoutParole]

I think a lot of people agree with you!

[@cartergillam2691]

If you are a Star Wars fan it is still definitely worth it, even with the bugs

[@Alex_Logan22]

I want to see a comparison review/analysis to the Oculus version.

[@SirBenji]

I’m a Star Wars fan but I think I just may hold out for either a sale or a full locomotion patch at the least. Great review, thanks for the info as always. Keep up the great work

[@intellips]

Fantastic review, Bryan. Thanks again!

[@shadowgandalf]

I’ve only played Ep1 so far. And I got to stage 17 in the Dojo but it’s getting very tough. I’m disappointed by the teleportation only. I kept scouring the options for a way to turn it off, and yeah I heard the audio bugs too. And found the ingame hand/wrist thing distracting, but despite the problems, I absolutely loved it. I look forward to playing Ep2 after work tonight.

[@Bitjelloboy30]

Great review Bryan, look forward to investing time in this while I wait for Squadrons! :)

[@old-fashioned1492]

I switched my psvr to oculus quest for that game, no regrets. 360 wireless gameplay solves click turning and it has locomotion there.

[@chrisknight]

This is on sale in the PS Store and I was trying to determine whether it was worth the purchase. Thanks for a great review!

[@kramor3k]

That Racket Fury comment made my day. Very funny sir. 😊

[@WithoutParole]

*meows&swipes*

[@argoniansloth2767]

Was 10/10! I hear that droid needs a mute toggle. I hope in that fictional universe they build droids with volume control.

[@ThatGuyIsWillVR]

Great review Bryan! I enjoyed playing these episodes, but I just wish I had a little more freedom during the story...It felt like for a good portion they were holding my hand (usually having me follow another character, or go through really linear paths). Otherwise, it's still a really enjoyable game for me with some awesome set pieces, and it's hard not to love the lightsaber and force mechanics!

[@prawnpizza]

Honestly 9/10 I only experienced 1 bug and tracking was perfect I also didn’t mind the click turning and teleportation plus I loved the combat and the way you could interact with certain objects in the game such as the helmet in the beginning of the game

[@scobymanthegamecat8130]

Great Review. Solidified my decision to wait for a sale and/or patch.

[@WithoutParole]

That's a great stance to take. I hope Disney/Lucasfilm are paying attention to this review and all the comments. You guys coming out in force saying you're sick of mandatory teleportation and inferior ports and actually voting with your wallets. It makes me proud. :D

[@Land-Shark]

The person they used for the hand mo-cap was a graduate of the "Ricky Bobby School For Affordable Hand Modelling" :)

[@johnnymoles318]

This looks and sounds amazing. I'm gonna wait for a sale, but it looks so good. Great review 👍

[@lukeburbank5208]

It’s on sale right now on the ps store just got it for myself lol

[@prawnpizza]

Thanks for the review will be sure to to pick up

[@darthvaderthegamecat]

I know it may be me sounding bias because I love Darth Vader...but I love this game. Yes the snap turning and teleportation really takes you out of the immersion. But I was so captivated by the story that I didn’t even pay attention to it.

[@TKbeatwerk]

Loved this game, I’m replaying it now and it’s really fun

[@NESNINJASKILLZ]

Nice cant wait to play!!

[@PotatoJonson]

If you had told 12 year old me that I would be in Star Wars in VR I would’ve been blown away, but here I am scoffing at click-turning. “The cynicism is strong with this one.”

[@skyhunter2816]

lol that actually puts it into perspective very well.

[@Glam47]

Thanks for the review Brian! I guess better wait for the update...

[@Nothing2NV]

Great review dude

[@cinematicgamingmedia2390]

The lightsaber dojo is seriously a standout experience for me

[@adeldeutsch3901]

There is free locomotion for the oculus version. Probably they will patch it soon for psvr . But it’s still fun to play as a Star Wars fan

[@GIJoeMeerkat]

Don’t know why they don’t have smooth turning and walking was turned off. They had that as an option for the Quest. And regarding the reason for the reason it’s 3 games instead of one big one, it’s due to the game realizing one episode every couple of months.

[@WithoutParole]

I refrained from calling this a "sloppy port" during the review, but that's what it boils down to. When bringing it over to PSVR they should have made it one game and allow you to seamlessly move from one episode to the next, and easy to move from one dojo to the next.

[@GIJoeMeerkat]

PSVR Without Parole they did this for the quest bundle as well. I don’t know why they couldn’t have combined it

[@MadCisco]

I just finished this and there were some WOW MOMENTS 😳 The very beginning moment where you hyper Jump lookin out in space and then The empire ship pulls you out in middle of Hyper Jump and it’s hover above your ship, you see this beautiful red planet below.. It just blew my mind WOW. But in the end it left me with a feeling, what could this game could have been 😞 And it felt a little short and just left me thinking how this could have been, oh man... I do see why Dojo part was praised and it’s fun wised Devs would have put little more into game itself. What a potential Star War has and could’ve been much much more☝️

[@ZEPPELIN198]

This is awesome on Oculus. Makes me want a full length VR jedi experience.

[@vrgameplayandtrailers]

Another good review. People are understandably upset about the teleport only, but overall it does look like a very good experience.

[@marcdavis9612]

Awesome review as always I'll wait for the patch.

[@whatthehec6736]

I'm surprised VR fell behind on categories such as this and didn't build up more off Raw Data. After seeing how you can easily use a shield in SPARC, there should definitely be more sword and shield games.

[@davidbeknownst5406]

Thanks for your review. I was really looking forward to this game, but i think I'll wait to see if they add the locomotion and smooth style turning before I put 30 dollars into a 2 hour interactive movie. Albeit a good one.

[@skatecats92]

I definitely had run ins with some bad tracking glitches but it was only a minor annoyance. Loved the experience overall.

[@spacegoose2989]

I bought this game day 1 and it was amazing Sure I didn’t like the teleporting or the rotation but I still get to use the force and a lightsaber

[@thefoxand]

I play this game and I completely agree with this review.

[@Ech0sinmyhead]

I also encounterd a bug where in the first episode, where I just activated the ladder in the elevator (the alarms went off) and when the robot got on she never started to. Climb. Then u realized that the game was stuck and I had to do it again.

[@Timothyjames82]

I'm not ashamed to confess that I'm a teleporter fan through and through, with skyrim vr being an exception.

[@captaintoshirohitsugaya3822]

Just bought this a yezterday and already beat the campaign the only real major complaint I have is play are feel rather restricted making some of the bigger climbing parts a tad frustrating and I guess the telaport thing but I didn't encounter any of the other bugs or issues you mentioned

[@WithoutParole]

Nice, I'm happy to hear that! I haven't checked back in with Vader Immortal since this launch review, so with any luck maybe a few of the bugs have been patched.

[@daviduprichard8343]

If you get put in the wrong place just hold the options button and that recalibrates you

[@eddie3437]

Why is it not out for me yet

[@protonsamurai8282]

great review! can't wait to play this for myself. I always start here when a new vr game comes out. game cats 4 life!

[@protonsamurai8282]

@@larryvr8116 Thank for the feedback! I'm hoping to catch it on a sale and with some hopeful improvements. =)

[@connormaskell4192]

While I've played through it and enjoyed it, there is one thine bugging me about it. The trophies, you get one for finishing each chapter, and I've got the screenshot to prove it.When you go to your list, it will sync with PSN but nothing will show. Not that I wouldn't have got this if I knew this was a think, just want to let people know that there is something not quite right. UPDATE: Trophies for all 3 parts now syncing as normal

[@WithoutParole]

Trophies seem glitched for some people, but not others. Hopefully they can fix that soon. Also there are trophies for each Training Dojo too! :D

[@rafaelnubile]

Would be fantastic if the main games had something kind of a "amusement theme park ride experience" so it promotes the game in a fun way and it is the kind of stuff we would share with the friends. Just imagine a God of War ride...

[@Jace247]

As Always thanks for the great review!😺

[@jayykellyxiii4910]

This game should just be beat saber where you slice up yoda and sam jackson heads that are flying towards you.

[@GateKeeperShow]

This review will inform my purchase cuz I've heard mixed reviews. Let's see.

[@sasquatch8923]

No teleportation in the PC version, I'm surprised it wasn't included. Did you check settings?

[@WithoutParole]

yup

[@joshczoski8693]

I dunno man I think I'll just go play Raw Data with the sword fighter to get a lightsaber fix, Golem or even Shadow Legend for sword duels. Plus, when you're talking about a 2-hour experience that's kind of one-and-done, I'd think I would rather wait for that experience not to be spoiled by bugs or a lack of full locomotion. Maybe the dojo would still be fun in the meantime.

[@KodPoslednjegCheckpointa]

Sad to hear it's so short, but still wanna play it

[@JustAnotherGamer1005]

This was an Oculus exclusive? Wished there were more Oculus games coming over that are exclusive, like "The Climb", "Robo Recall" and "Arktika.1 . Especially "The Climb", since I have a fear of heights and was reminded of that yesterday, when I had to go on the roof to fix something. Was crawling instead of walking ^_^'

[@davidregan8152]

From what I've heard on steam you can have full locomotion, they missed a big opportunity here for Psvr

[@PotatoJonson]

Great writing BP!

[@MuTeTrophies]

Got the disc version of this game recently for PSVR. Unfortunately the bugs you described are still in there. The weird wrist alignment, sound glitches and also the teleporting into the wall. Also found another annoyance when playing this game while sitting. I can't seem to reach the lightsaber or unlock tool. It's like the reach or field of play is very limited in this game. Maybe it's my position from the camera, but I did not experience the issue this bad with other games using the move controllers.

[@NerDex]

Great review mate thank you.

[@sosven1115]

Hmm, I'm going to wait for the patches and will probably buy it when it's on sale

[@HvnWasHere]

This game had to be ported on a strict time limit during a world pandemic that most likely complicated production. They are obviously trying to make this game as best as they could, they just need to add certain things after the games release. At least we actually have it on the system. With more locomotion options to come most likely. I think the dojo alone can sell this game honestly. Which doesn't need to have locomotion. Also the turning is relatively faster then most click turning so I appreciate that. You do need to turn quickly either 90 or 180 so I do think the click turning does a decent job. Similar to Raw Data