Valve Fangames - The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly

[@Everik-ct6pg]

Would really like a sequel to this video touching on other mods like Portal Stories: Mel. These fan games certainly deserve more attention.

[@vapor404]

I'd really love to see the TF2 mods put into the actual game maby some day

[@kidkangaroo5213]

I've never heard anybody except a German KZbin channel talk about Transmissions: Element 120. It's really neat

[@Raum2901]

@@kidkangaroo5213 if you want to feel better, a spanish youtuber made a video about that fangame years ago, its good to the very least

[@luh034]

definitely. Mel is the real portal 3 if you ask me. Not reloaded (though thats fun aswell)

[@c-c-combobreak]

Fan video

[@hmmm.74]

In Pyro's defense, how was he supposed to know this game he voiced for was gonna be shit.

[@smolgameboi1553]

Hey now, don't put "shit" and "Pyro" in the same sentence, lest he get aroused-

[@GNF54]

@@smolgameboi1553 I wouldn’t be surprised if the devs *inflated* their bribes in order to get him to voice

[@technoscrap]

@@smolgameboi1553 nah bro he isnt into shit hes into fat furry fart porn get it right smh

[@TextualDeviant]

@@smolgameboi1553 It says there's three replies and I see only one of them. I'm not sure I want to see them.

[@BackwardsPancake]

Honestly, calling B4B a "L4D fangame" seems right on the money. It's certainly about the most positive thing I could say about it.

[@DarthMcDoomington]

Back 4 Blood feels more like a curiosity than a proper game honestly. EVERYTHING about it seems to be stuff cut from Left 4 Dead's early development. Stuff like upgrades, the weird levelling system, giant, stationary boss monsters. It feels like a view into an alternate universe. The upgrade and card systems are interesting as concepts, but scavenging for money is annoying and serves mainly to slow down the game (and you know the horde level where you have to fight an onslaught of special enemies that all have extremely similar designs you can't tell from each other is coming) and the card system doesn't really feel like it changes much.

[@xsoultillerx]

it's one of those games i became less and less interested in the more i heard about it to the point where even though it's on game pass i have zero desire to play it. it's clear that turtle rock learned nothing from evolve.

[@DarthMcDoomington]

@@xsoultillerx It's not that Turtle Rock learned nothing from Evolve, they HAD to do the microtransactions because 2K wouldn't let them put out the game as they wanted. And it's a different genre anyway. It's that they learned nothing from Left 4 Dead. The game is basically everything Left 4 Dead cut out. Having to slow down and scavenge in a fast paced multiplayer game, stationary bosses that don't really challenge the player, iron sights being in just because with no thought as to the fact Left 4 Dead didn't have them because they encouraged moving slowly in what was clearly meant to be a faster paced action game.

[@madmonty4761]

I really like the game

[@DaRealBruner]

@@DarthMcDoomington Those things were cut from the original Left 4 Dead for a good reason. They were terrible ideas. And seeing them reimplemented in Back 4 Blood and seeing how well that game turned out backs it up further.

[@Mirthful_Midori]

Civvie11 covered Hunt Down the Freeman and there were two points where he had to use console commands just to finish it. The fact that console commands were necessary to finish it, is a pretty good indicator of just how bad it is. It also dethroned Postal 3 for the title of "Worst game on the Source engine".

[@inventionscreator8875]

I mean, m3sa is fixing it and it plays pretty good now. The story sucks still tho

[@nicolausteslaus]

Still. Hunt down the Freeman is the best Hideo Kojima game.

[@versebuchanan512]

@@nicolausteslaus Spoken like a man who's never played Snatcher

[@midorifox]

@@versebuchanan512 or policenauts

[@ckopen7192]

good lord, it was bad enough to dethrone that pile of shit?

[@trickstab7903]

Entropy zero is definitely a fantastic fangame, super enjoyable for people like me who really enjoy fangames where you get to flip the script and play as the villain

[@xonxt7479]

EZ2 is the first Half Life game to write it's own mind series.

[@DarthMcDoomington]

It feels like a true Opposing Force 2 but one that actually embraces being the villain. And as silly as the stealth segment started out it was actually pretty fun.

[@Liquid_Rigel]

\*shoots down rebels* SUCK.

[@minelayer26]

@@DarthMcDoomington entropy zero is my canon opfor2

[@NeedyBoBeedy]

i LOVED ENTROPY ZERO

[@Spunney]

This isn't very important, but usually when you use the "The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly" phrase, "The Ugly" doesn't denote the worst of the worst, it's supposed to represent stuff that's in the middle of the road, with ambiguous qualities that makes it confusing to parse, hence "ugly". The phrase comes from a movie with the same name, it's really great, you should watch it!

[@Colddirector]

Seriously watch that fuckin movie. It is so good, among of the best of the 20th century IMO.

[@notdoppler83]

To be fair, Hunt Down The Freeman is pretty fucking ugly.

[@LowTiertoji]

@@notdoppler83 'you fucked up my face'

[@SpartanS117C]

Occasionally I've seen it just mean weird stuff. I'd like to see more weird source fangames.

[@LowTiertoji]

@@SpartanS117C agreed

[@AVGNROCKS1996]

Personally think that the entire fun of modding is getting the good and bad of what the community can create, cause even the bad stuff has merit. It’s worth a thousand crack life’s for a Counter Strike or Black Mesa

[@laundry1799]

I’d rather see people put effort and creativity into something and it not come out good than another generic game that took it safe and no one remembers in a year. But profit is kinda important for a game studio I get that.

[@vhetutor]

I love that crack life is so well known in the half life community that it gets brought up in videos like this

[@justiceforjoggers2897]

It'd be nice if Black Mesa would stop soft locking me in the beginning

[@EpicGamer-fl7fn]

how DARE YOU insult the best Half Life 1 mod in the entire franchise.

[@CaptPatrick01]

It is Sturgeon's Law in the flesh. You have thousands of projects that are either bad, mediocre, or get abandoned and never see the light of day, and then you have the one every couple years that rockets to the top of ModDB as one of the best things ever created by a community.

[@antoninmp]

I feel like the ugly should be like the funny type games that are either so bad it’s good or bad on purpose(also in tgtbtu the ugly is not necessarily the villain, just and ugly character)

[@d00gz_]

In the movie, Tuco is called “The Ugly” because he’s a slimy greedy opportunist, and isn’t necessarily good or bad since he is morally at odds with himself. You could use “The Ugly” to describe Hunt Down The Freeman, since it’s a selfish cashgrab piggybacking off of a successful franchise to fleece its supporters of money and it’s devs of time. Its obvious from the resources put into graphics and cutscenes that if the creator wanted it to be something worthwhile and good, then he had the ability to make it happen. However, that was never his intention. Or, you could use “The Ugly” to refer to fan games that had promise, but failed due to devs falling out or misguided priorities. There’s numerous projects that, unlike HDTF, started from a place of genuine love and inspiration, but fell apart due to inner turmoil.

[@Chuked]

@@d00gz_ tuco salamanca?

[@antonovsiannikov4547]

@@Chuked Tuco Benedicto Pacífico Juan María Ramírez

[@NoriMori1992]

I'm confused, did anyone say The Ugly was the villain?

[@megatokyo2113]

As someone who patiently waited 3 years and spent over $100 preordering B4B, I can definitely tell you how disappointing it was. Barely anyone from the original Turtle Rock team worked on B4B, and it simply has none of the charm or polish L4D has. Valve always puts so many little details into their games that you barely notice until they're taken away. Back 4 Blood is the best example of this.

[@MJRSoap]

Did you learn your lesson about never per-ordering games at least?

[@megatokyo2113]

@@MJRSoap Yep. Have only ever had one time where I didn't regret preordering a game, when I preordered Doom Eternal.

[@bitbreaker_creator]

@@megatokyo2113 doom eternal is truly amazing

[@hunlepto2239]

@@megatokyo2113 Best you can do if you still want to pre-order is to see who worked on previous successful games and who works on the game you want to pre-order. If almost none of those devs are working on it, you shouldn't pre-order at all. Unfortunately, in this case, it really was Valve carrying it mostly which was harder to see, but now is easier to understand.

[@aydinmakesthings]

I feel like B4B just kept using "LOOK, WE'RE THE SAME TEAM THAT MADE L4D!!!! DON'T YOU LOVE L4D?!?!" When it's pretty much it's own game.

[@Complete_Stranger7050]

"You fucked up my wallet" -Valve community to HDTF Devs

[@joao34386]

It was only really the guy in charge, the rest of the team are really talented and capable individuals. I know some of the guys who did level design for the project, and they received completely conflicting instructions, were told to modify areas in ways that were unintuitive and unfitting, and weren’t even allowed to talk to other level designers to make sure everything flows well as a whole. Insane waste of time for all of those involved.

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

@@joao34386In some way HDTF is like Fallout The Frontier. A lot of great, talented designers, stuck behind a creative head that messes things up.

[@DaRealBruner]

Really surprised you didn't bring up Portal Stories: MEL and Aperture Tag. Regardless, another excellent video!

[@lenargilmanov7893]

Yep. Portal Stories was good, but Aperture Tag was mediocre.

[@Danblak08]

Thinking with time machine

[@ghurcbghurcb]

​@@lenargilmanov7893 I think Mel set the bar too high. Aperture tag is REALLY good. It's just that Portal Stories: Mel is so much better.

[@ghurcbghurcb]

​@@Danblak08 Now THIS mod is not just mediocre but straight up BAD. It's buggy, some chambers have parts of them that you can simply skip, it barely ever makes you use portals, some chamber elements (e.g. funnel) are not used at all, and the central mechanic is disappointing. Instead of "time machine" you are given an unholy amalgamation of singleplayer and co-op. The ONLY good thing about this mod is the way chambers look. If only reflections weren't broken.

[@yol_n]

@@ghurcbghurcb I aggre. Aperture tag is decent, not sure if worth the price though. Mel is good, but for me a wasted opportunity. The game is literally portal 2 done again, nothing new. Cool puzzles and enviroments though! Thinking with time machine is the bad. Reloaded is the best one out there, hands down.

[@arcticst6327]

I really don't think its fair to call out everyone who "Did video essays on how bad HDTF is" for being supposedly "greedy for a quick buck" and "making essay after essay". Besides the fact some of them were literally reviewing the game on launch, its still totally fair to make a video with your own opinion on something, considering not everyone has the same opinion, experience, or information on a game. Some of those videos werent even essay type videos, they often talked about something behind the scene beyond "Game bad." And claiming that people making vids on HDTF were bringing down the HL community by associating it with HDTF is really, Really shortsighted tbh. The general reception I see from non-HL fans is never tarnishing or making fun of the HL community in relation to HDTF. Just because you didn't like talking about HDTF doesnt mean people who did talk about it are contributing to tarnishing HL as a community, that just feels malicious to me.

[@generalhorseradish1702]

Underrated comment.

[@Jman92854]

Agreed, that rant took me out of this video. I'd argue it's important that video essays were made, especially by youtubers who were voices or devs in the game. It helped shed some light on the behind the scenes and gave us insight into how HDTF was managed, at least in some small ways, and can be used as an example for those involved in a fan game in the future, perhaps red flags. Who knows, another HDTF could come around the corner whether it be a year or several years from now.

[@therevenger259]

You think that's bad, one player called him out on this same thing and Richter acted like a jerk to him, he did the same thing to a dev working on the OWF build of HDtF that is being made to improve the game, and I have the pictures to prove it.

[@spimbles]

@@therevenger259 yeah, figures. not every KZbinr is a perfect person who does no wrong. guess this guys a prime example lmao what a fuckin prick

[@StanleyNumber427]

Speaking of bringing down the community, Richter is literally bringing down the TF2 community with his fear mongering "TF2 is dead." TF2 is far from being dead. The game's still receiving small updates and the community is very much alive.

[@shadokwastaken]

open fortress my beloved

[@RodWaffle]

Closest thing we're getting to a quake reboot

[@Che_Yo]

Deathmatch classic my beloved (Why yes, I love dead games for no reason)

[@topkek6665]

1:07 Video starts THE GOOD 2:09 Black Mesa (Half-Life 1) 3:29 Codename Gordon (Half-Life 2) 4:19 Entropy : Zero (Half-Life 2) 4:54 Portal Reloaded (Portal) 5:21 Portal : The Flash Version (Portal) 6:00 Mari oh (i dunno how you spell it) (Portal) 6:14 Gang Garrison (Team Fortress 2) 6:38 Team Fortress 2 Classic (Team Fortress 2) 8:12 Open Fortress (Team Fortress 2) THE BAD 9:20 Prospekt (Half-Life 2) 11:12 Half-Life Before (Half-Life 2) 11:59 Back 4 Blood (Left 4 Dead) THE UGLY 13:01 Hunt Down The Freeman (Half-Life 2)

[@nnikitov57]

Dissapointed you didn't include Portal Stories: Mel. It's easily the best Portal mod, with insane amount of detail/polish and extremely interesting test chambers.

[@littlegyro8340]

What about Portal Reloaded?

[@nnikitov57]

@@littlegyro8340 It's top 2. It's good, but the last quarter of the game seems rushed. Less storytelling and not as polished

[@arthurpietrogarcia1057]

@@nnikitov57 Just because There is no story doesn't make It inferior sometimes you Just need:"haha lol welcome to Aperture solve some tests💀".

[@flytrapYTP]

@@arthurpietrogarcia1057 right but if I just wanted more test chambers, I'd go look at the workshop. The story is important too and Portal: Reloaded did decide to go with a story.

[@scalderm]

OR BONEWORKS!

[@furret2611]

I cannot wait until Operation: Black Mesa comes out. A game studio called Tripmine Studios is making a remake of Blue Shift and Opposing Force and it looks exciting! It doesn't have a release date at the moment but it definitely looks like a try.

[@Chuked]

remember that hunt down the freeman was literally hyped and awful

[@rx-0gundam393]

@@Chuked Entropy Zero 2 was hyped and it was successful

[@missingindy]

I think they’re called the HECU Collective now

[@quagmoe7879]

That mod is going to suck. I know things about it and it’s going to be awful. Don’t get your hopes up. If you want the true “Opposing Force 2.0” just play Entropy Zero 2.

[@jdjdjdjd3058]

@@quagmoe7879 source: trust me bro

[@bukachell]

I was definitely kind of wanting to see genry's great escape from city 13, and hearing a mention of it at the end surprised me. Small note, but the game has a ton of unused content

[@ToxicBastard]

Requiem of Science is his better mod, for shits and giggs

[@placeholder7410]

Wait really?

[@NexusNick]

If there’s ever a sequel to this video, I’d recommend checking out the Valve fangames by Eric Ruth. There’s Team Fortress Arcade, a beat-em-up based on TF2, and Pixel Force: Left 4 Dead, an NES-styled demake of the first Left 4 Dead. They’re neat little distractions a la Codename: Freeman.

[@Zmeeed01]

Eric Ruth is the name I haven't heard in a while. Was he the one who made "Mega Man Rocks!"? (With an exclamation mark in the title)

[@MorkedUP1]

Richter took a lil richter break and now richter is making richter videos where richter talks about things richter likes! Good video richter! Edit. I Would love to see a part two (with mods instead of games?). Love the new content richter

[@randomcommenter4405]

i’m going to richter rn

[@gamer65688]

Its richterin' time!

[@justatv9554]

Go into the bathroom, turn off the lights and if you say Richter 3 times... *He will be right behind you.*

[@MorkedUP1]

@@justatv9554 he will talk about spooky gary mod video and play half life on your computer 😟

[@themyofmy]

@@MorkedUP1 but.. i don't even have half life !

[@ANeMzero]

The demise of Steam Greenlight probably has more to do with Strategy First than it does with Hunt Down the Freeman. Basically, Strategy First was the very first publisher to sign a deal to put their games on Steam and that deal was incredibly short-sighted. It gave Strategy First the ability to put whatever they wanted on Steam without any oversight. When other publishers tried to give a publishing deal to a game on Greenlight, Valve stepped in and said they could do that. The game would still have to be approved via Greenlight to maintain the integrity of the system, and ensure publishers couldn't prey on small developers by offering them a terrible deal to circumvent the voting process. Problem is that Strategy First had a contract that let them do just that. Their most active years on Steam were the greenlight years, where they grabbed shovelware scam games off Greenlight and posted them directly to Steam with Valve not being able to lift a finger to stop them. Valve had to come to terms with the fact that as long as Strategy First exists, Greenlight couldn't actually work. There would always be a set of rules for everyone else, and a free pass to do whatever for Strategy First, and that would ultimately harm their relationship with the publishers and small developers that really drive Steam.

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

I liked the idea of Steam Greenlight. It was sort of crowdfunded publishing. Instead of throwing every piece of shit at the store, there was some level of community effort. Releasing games the people actually wanted to see, with some added PR for the game.

[@SpyYoshi]

3:32 you should have mentioned that you can’t get the game anymore since valve removed it because the website for devs that is on the main menu leads you to a virus and malware site so the only way to get the game is to put a link in your browser

[@g_freakman]

"if you're willing to fiddle with Steam protocol commands to download it" aka putting a link in your browser

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

@@g_freakmanThe one game where I do that is Codename Gordon. A little sidescroller released before Half Life 2, everyone with a steam account owns it, but it doesn't show up in the store or library unless you manually download it. It's part of paket 0, together with things like TF2, Synergy, SteamVR, Dota 2, the different Source SDK releases, lots of source engine game dedicated servers, the HL2 demo, Proton and other stuff.

[@scottishdrunkard1845]

I have a story about Prospekt. I was actually on the Discord, seeing all the previews for the Upgraded versions, and it actually seemed decent. But, I had a few nitpicks, and so my peers took it upon themselves to harass me, blowing what I said way out of proportion. When they opted to use Autism as an insult, I peace’d the fuck out. Learning that the updates wound up in some Development Hell actually gives me a sick satisfaction, finding out they got fucked over years later. Heh heh heh. I commend the people making the M3SA build of HDTF. A lot of good people got screwed making it, and I’m glad they could find some fun taking the piss out of Berkan.

[@stevenXCV]

That "good evening" at the start was very aggressive 😂

[@barekpirtum9912]

Where's Cry of Fear?

[@Br0leg]

LETS GO

[@RichterOvertime]

legend

[@scezich6126]

YOU FUCKED UP MY FACE

[@Mate_Antal_Zoltan]

YOU FUCKED MY FACE

[@paragonrobbie9270]

Dude, I hate HTDF as much as the next guy, but I feel like being mad at anyone who covered or made a video on it as well as people who like it ironically feels...well, petty. Your heart is in the right place, the mod's a dumpster fire with some of the scummiest development I've seen on a mod, but I don't think the voice actors or video essay creators are responsible for decisions made during development nor how HTDF released. People like myself may laugh at how abysmal the thing is, but in no way are we trying to send the message of "this is how mods should be made."

[@delusion5867]

I remember Pyrocynical saying that all he was just given was his lines on a page with no direction or context. With that info, no wonder the voice acting sucked, that's not how it works, that's not how any acting works. 80% of the time you get a bad performance, it's either the directors' fault or the script's fault

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

@@delusion5867Yeah, I see no issue with the voice actors, they do their job, and usually aren't involved on the production and design beyond that. Especially when it's a community project and people from the community have the chance to participate. All done in good faith. Look at Oblivion, the voice lines were recorded alphabetically. No wonder NPC dialogue sounds so weird and disconnected.

[@SpringDavid]

this feels weirdly targeted at Pyrocynical and I hate everything

[@RichterOvertime]

what they did was undeniably slimey

[@zzmoonz]

@@RichterOvertime 🤨🤨🤨

[@uno1302]

@@RichterOvertime in what way? Just wondering btw

[@SpringDavid]

@@uno1302 both were voices in Hunt Down the Freeman and both talked about how shit it was (at least im sure pyro did)

[@uno1302]

@@SpringDavid it’s been a while since I’ve seen the pyro vid but from my perspective he didn’t really do anything “slimy” all he did was make a video criticizing it with the type of humor he had at the time which he had full right to do anyway, all he did was record like 1-2 lines for them anyway, also the fact I feel like people who have been on a project have the right to criticize it fully no matter what they were on that project lmao.

[@kallo_1]

Richter I recommend making more content like this I really enjoy having a voice talk about my favorite games and how bad the mods for said game impacted the view of the community. I also just really enjoy this creative content like making a list of the best and the worst of the half-life moding community is a really good idea and I'd love to see more!

[@pendantblade6361]

Documenting mods is this I feel is extremely important for the history for any franchise. Good stuff, Richter.

[@zzmoonz]

weird bit anti-intellectual digression at the end about how making essays on 'bad art' isn't valid or whatever while also having hdtf in the thumbnail - like if talking about this thing is so bad for the image of the community you can make the choice not to also join in on that process

[@RichterOvertime]

I think you’re inventing subtext that isn’t there

[@zzmoonz]

@@RichterOvertime nah just objectively correct

[@wealthybone2990]

Good to see you're back Richter hope you're doing well also would Black Mesa technically count as a valve fan game?

[@gamejunk1e]

Yea since level design is still different from the original Half life's level design. Beautiful game tho

[@LondonLock]

@zbek why would it not?

[@jammygeez]

@zbek because it was made by an indie studio and other groups all valve fans

[@cloacky4409]

@@jammygeez And? It was an indie studio that was made of valve fans and were working on Black Mesa as a mod. If they weren't Valve fans, they wouldn't bother with remaking their first game ever.

[@pawprint1]

@@cloacky4409 Exactly, that's why in my book it should count as a fan game.

[@Joshinken]

If you say “anyway, listen to this” you’re legally obligated to stop talking for a bit so we can actually hear it

[@TheExperienceYT]

You seriously didnt talk about "Gerny's Great Escape from City 13?" That's the best half-life mod dude, such a joke that this was uploaded without it.

[@Random-ku2df]

What the fuck is that

[@metrohunter-qy4fz]

@@Random-ku2df the Best mod to ever exist

[@DrHeinzy]

Good video! Shame you didn't mention Minerva, it's one of the best HL2 mods I have ever played. If you haven't, you should definitely play it.

[@alexlokanin3312]

i loved 2D portal and Gang Garrison back in the day. I wish Vance was able to be released. i agree that you don't have to play back 4 blood to know it's bad

[@Guymanbot97]

Nice video as always. Would like to see another one of these, but for cancelled fan games that had enough press and info about them (Opposing Force 2 and that one Epistle 3 mod come to mind). I'm also surprised you didn't have HL2 The Closure on this list. THAT NEEDS a video dedicated to it.

[@superbat6965]

16:22 I like the... tapersona? Is that what it would be called? Either way, it's an interesting idea that should probably get more attention (even though I am utterly hopeless at art). Love the content Richter.

[@npc_citizen9276]

Richter Overtime is really getting richer over time!

[@kingstaze9696]

12:32 Back 4 Blood has a lot of conflicting mechanics that make it unfun to play. Enemies are poorly thought out and designed in conjunction with the maps, they can be bullet sponges, which bogs down gameplay. The characters are forgettable. The devs also bashed any potential for speed and speedrunning, which was unncessecary and regarded as a bad move. Turtle Rock does not know what they're doing and it shows.

[@TarlukLegion]

Not to mention that the whole artstyle makes it look like it's some kind of Fortnite spinoff.

[@macrofurra]

@@TarlukLegionsounds like kf2 lol

[@Not_A_Weeb_mp4]

Not to mention that they like to nerf everything into the ground as to “control” how players tackle their game. And not only that they nerf things just because they can and change what each character does and what role they have. Simply put they don’t follow the fun, if everything is overpowered then nothing is overpowered, but if you nerf everything then everything is weak. And as someone who paid $80 and spent 240 hours playing their game I expect way more. And what makes it worse is that I’ve put 400 hours in L4D2 and every time I boot it all I can think is how much of a disappointment B4B is. That’s all.

[@_NutcasE_]

Its no secret that valve did most of the work on L4D and L4D2. And turtle rock is mainly using their niche involvement to add credibility to their brand and sell their "spiritual successor"

[@ForWeAreMany]

Having played Entropy Zero, it is a fun romp, and the Protag Civil Protection Unit has some adequately spicy one-liners reminiscent of 90's action movies and games

[@headcrabking9054]

I'm so glad that the second opted to continue bad cop's cheesy one-liners

[@roblox_talon_gaming1309]

@@headcrabking9054 Bad cop is the most human combine soldier I've ever seen in half life

[@Lonesomepage403]

there is a card/skill deck building mechanic in B4B that went really unutilized in the actual campaign missions of the game until just recently when the devs realized people didn't want to play through 40 minutes of different levels to only get half of their card decks so they finally made it to where you actually get them all from the start. Its an actually really fun mechanic with that change, I'm glad they did it as veteran difficulty is actually kinda enjoyable now.

[@jferrell8546]

He had such a calm attitude the entire video and then when he gets the nail gun section I lost it laughing 😂

[@ineverunderstoodmaths1779]

he didnt play the game tho

[@MyUsersDark]

@@ineverunderstoodmaths1779 Doesn't he literally show gameplay of him playing it?

[@ineverunderstoodmaths1779]

@@MyUsersDark 14:08 "out of sheer principle" he didnt even downlaod the game

[@MyUsersDark]

@@ineverunderstoodmaths1779 you're thinking of hunt down the freeman, the nail gun was in the TF2C section, so yes he did

[@ineverunderstoodmaths1779]

@@MyUsersDark oh ok my bad

[@taxevader2507]

15:08 the aliens are coming we've been compromised

[@crisptoastx]

spit it out corporal!

[@ctpp64]

Oh colonel...we are so fucked

[@fricc3824]

im glad that The Stanley Parable at least made a cameo in the video. that game is so dang good. genuinely my favorite game ever even if its a bit short

[@Oretal]

Solid vid Richter. I didn’t know you were a texture artist!

[@vmfighter-ryze]

I remember playing Gang Garrison 2! It was honestly so fun and was before TF2 went free to play. Massive props to the people who made it, was pretty damn faithful ngl

[@DISREL]

Your video was good but I find one flaw. I feel like in the ugly section, you had more emphasis to just bash on people who did the videos on Hunt Down The Freeman instead of the game itself, and the voice game actors. Other than that, pretty good.

[@jacobb17]

You should for sure do a sequel. Others have mentioned it already, but I was surprised you brought up portal and didn't bring up Portal Stories Mel. I'd also like to see Portal 2: Memories get a mention.

[@Berfelheimer]

What do you think about Portal Stories Mel and Aperture Tag?

[@XtreemAlan]

The Full Life Consequences parody of Hunt Down the Freeman had a clearer story

[@assortedfruits0425]

Nobody: Richter overtime: post a video at 4:16am

[@512TheWolf512]

it's 2 pm in Europe.

[@ESCalation]

Banger Video!

[@DJDarkDarsi]

Oh wow, I remember playing Gang Garrison while my PC was outta commission and Laptop couldn't handle TF2 proper, good times...

[@WilliamAncich]

8:02 those flame particle effects tho 👀

[@aliangel5007]

for context valve asked the TF2C Team to remove downloads because the game was based off the leaked source files (Which is in violation of the software services agreement). So it is less they don't care now and more they have a Hard Line Against leaked source being used.

[@literallyvergil1686]

Well they didn't actually care, when the classic team asked them if they're okay to put it in steam like valve asked, but they didn't respond so the devs put the game back on out of spite and valve still hasn't said anything

[@aliangel5007]

@@literallyvergil1686 To Be honest my guess is since they admitted using the leaked source(They said they were asking about it in relation to TF2C vs open fortress) valve said to remove it (as it is technically against the agreement) but they don't actually monitor what does what.

[@literallyvergil1686]

@@aliangel5007 valve also suggested they can put it on steam but never responded, they also never responded when they asked again if they can put it back, valves communication is incompetent

[@averagechadlegionary5824]

1:46 That is 100% the Hunting Shotgun reload animation from Fallout New Vegas.

[@adlertolentino8256]

I used to play Left 4 Dead 2 back then but the reason why i quit is being buggy sometimes, i look up in Back 4 Blood on Steam and since 2021 i know it got a really bad rating. Today, i focus on Half-Life 2 and Garry's mod but i don't think i would say L4D2 is bad or worst, it's just Valve really want everything balanced or decided to keep it as a normal. But there's so many games that inspired nor created a fanmade game that i really don't know much. Snowdrop Escape is one of my favorite, thanks for making a very great explanation here Richter

[@Me-wx1mt]

oh yeah, and the people who made black mesa were also responsible for the "end of the line" tf2 short film which is actually a canon part of the tf2 universe

[@Arnitikos]

Honorable mentions: Transmission Element 120, it’s one of my favorite HL mods. 1187 (Mod name), may be clunky, but it has love made into. And you forget the lost 4th brother of side scroller games… I’m of course talking about Sentry Fortress XD (it’s not that good)

[@GreenBlueClouds]

I remember enjoying a portal mod called "blue portals" it was a super polished portal 1 mod before portal 2 was released.

[@derpycat9347]

Where is cs2d? Its a cute counter strike game.

[@kylefinn5301]

Something I like about black mesa is how you can customize certain things using mods. For example, Crowbar Collective cut down on a rail to be much shorter, but there’s a mod that re extends the chapter to the same or longer length as the original

[@giedrius2149]

Even though I agree with what you have said, not playing the games yet complaining about them is how misinformation can potentially be spread. You say it like it's fine to bash a game without owning it. Please next time actually get the games and don't just repeat what other KZbinrs have demonstrated

[@RichterOvertime]

at least I clarified it man lol a lot of youtubers will just lie and pretend. plus I used language that was honest like "most people I know have said X" and "from what I've seen"

[@ilovemywhiteshoes]

I always expect him to say a thing Michael from vsauce Michael here would say

[@mattjk5299]

Back 4 Blood is *absolutely* close enough to be called a fangame. It also is left severely lacking.

[@popegoodvibes6360]

I love your rage about HDTF. It was righteous and purifying, like a sword held by an angel.

[@toaster9922]

Open fortress is so fucking good though, especially the goddamn guns.

[@NetLightning]

Super shotgun my beloved

[@jockeyfield1954]

i loved the game but after i started fighting against b-hoppin quake vets i stood no chance against since i am a poow wittle gen z gamew that needs to git guwd :( i uninstalled the mod and forgot about it

[@NetLightning]

@@jockeyfield1954 bhop is actually easy Holding your jump button does it for you

[@alwexander996]

@@jockeyfield1954 Hold your jump button, move mouse right while predding D, move it left while pressing A, repeat. I'm no pro Quake or Doom player, but bhopping is pretty easy in this mod

[@toaster9922]

@@jockeyfield1954 you’re in luck, Open fortress tweaked how bhopping works so it’s done easier. those quake vets are likely fellow gen z gamews

[@theblobconsumes4859]

I'd love to see more of the 'good' fan-games, particularly the lesser known ones. I've played and seen so many good ones, I wanna see some which I didn't know about.

[@man-child]

I love some of these so called "demakes" dearly because when I was young every computer I used had computing power lower than the machines of Apollo 11 so I couldn't run and simply didn't have many games thus I had to satisfy myself with said demakes I found online such as Gang Garrison 2 and Portal Flash version. I had lots of fun with these and they have a special place in my memory. Also Gang Garrison's easter egg introduced me to Cave Story and that's another thing that I am very thankful for.

[@HindProto]

TF2C is honestly quite incredible, seeing those original high quality viewmodels again was enough to win me over, the addition of cut weapons like the nail gun and MIRV, along with the VIP gamemode and more just make it that much better. While the lack of cosmetics means your mercs have less visual flair, it helps make disguising more viable as a spy. Not having the unlockable weapons from TF2 is a bit sad (it felt weird not being able to double donk in TF2C), and speaking of weapons there's some neat little details on them. For instance, if I remember correctly the shotgun bolt actually cycles with the pump, and the pistol's slide actually moves. Shotgun shells are actually ejected onto the ground, my favorite is that many guns with detachable magazines like the pistol will actually drop empty magazines on the ground when you reload. It's a really small feature, and it doesn't have any effect on the gameplay, but it's always satisfying, and I love it whenever a game has this sort of attention to detail.

[@legatelaurie]

I'd love to see another video going through other fan games like this

[@coolguyowl3341]

I love that I can point at my screen and say "Hey, I know that!" at basically everything in here.

[@BrochachoTheBro]

Hunt Down the Freeman is the Morbius of the games industry.

[@smiggieballs8936]

I’m honestly surprised that Underhell didn’t even get on the list, one of the best Source mods I have ever played in my life

[@cat-nl4sv]

i got hunt down just to see how shitty is was, yeah. everytime i got to a new chapter i lost all of my weapons and had to get new ones that are on the map

[@darcweld]

The aliens are coming we've been compromised

[@RoseAltro]

Y'know, I recall one mod that was played that had a difficulty so bad it drove a KZbinr up a wall because of it. Aka, whatever the fuck JollyWangCore put himself through with that Roadtrip mod.

[@thesailingship7183]

"Editor's note: I didn't actually play on normal. I was accidentally on hard the *entire time*"

[@SFCommanderSFM]

Ayoooo!!!! I made that Open Fortress fanart !! So glad you used it for your thumbnail even more so considering you're part of OF's dev team

[@AzraelSoulHunter]

To me Black Mesa is probably the best gaming remake of all time. It's genuinely amazing game and it's absolutely fantastic to see Valve itself acknowledge it and make it part of Half Life itself.

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

The replacement of Half Life source (after that got shafted by not being updated) But I sitll recommend playing the original HL1 release as well. There are differences, and experiencing the original is part of Half Life.

[@AzraelSoulHunter]

@@HappyBeezerStudios I did. I prefer Black Mesa still.

[@pokeman5699]

weren't you playing HDTF live on your channel as part of the bet you made racing your friend on a Portal 1 speedrun?

[@mellisakuntz6407]

Hunt down the freeman was truly one of the greatest games

[@DXGHunter]

Not sure if anyone has asked before, but can someone please tell me what mod is at 1:42 I'd really like to know, looks cool.

[@white_red_dragons5654]

It would have been cool if you got a bit more into depth about the m3sa build and how a team of developers is actually doing this redemption arc on the game :)

[@Zokturnal]

I remember an old fangame that was pretty much a top-down 8-bit conversion of L4D. I remember it being fun and having local co-op, but that's all I can really say about it.

[@phooey1401]

pretty shitty of you to rag on content creators making hour long thorough video essays about hunt down the freeman "for a quick buck" at 15:05 when you're doing the exact same thing, only more brief and less informed since you haven't even played the game.

[@RichterOvertime]

Just because I haven't played through HDTF myself doesn't mean I'm "less informed." It just means I value my time more than you do. Other content creators may be more familiar with the game's shitty plotline or its mechanics, but I've been an active member of the Valve community for more than a decade and I witnessed firsthand how Hunt Down The Freeman humiliated the Half-Life community and permanently ruined Valve's relationship with modders. In short, I know the subtext of HDTF much better than many content creators (and evidently you) do, which makes me much more qualified to talk about HDTF than a huge list of other KZbinrs who, yes, saw a dumpster fire in a community they weren't a part of at all and decided to milk the outrage for money. Besides, just a week ago I co-starred on PurpleColonel's stream and watched him beat the entire M3SA build in one sitting. There is nothing I would gain from buying it myself. This game is shit. Stop throwing your ass on the line trying to defend it and the people who were involved with it. It's stupid.

[@phooey1401]

@@RichterOvertime you misunderstood what i meant. i'm not debating that you wouldn't be wasting your time by indulging in it, nor am i condemning you for talking about it. what i _am_ saying however is that grouping in some very well-written, well-researched, and informative documentative pieces in with actual cash-grabs that simply re-hash what has been stated from what came before is quite shitty and uninformed. but even then, who are you to gatekeep a video game from being discussed and documented? who are you to condemn content creators from discussing their experience with a project and leaving their audience better informed on what went on behind the scenes? and not only to condemn them, but follow up that condemnation with a retelling of your own? a bit less toxicity and negative assumptions would do you wonders. EDIT: furthermore, your argument of "i feel obligated to talk about it or else people in the comments would be going crazy about it" as seen in the video could also be applied to *every single e-celebrity who was featured in the game*, and every single video essay from a creator who was known to review video games, especially bad games. both of these types of people you actively condemn in the video for doing something you can get away with because "you're obligated to". you're not the only one with an audience who expect you to talk about popular things, and the valve community isn't the only community that can talk about valve things. you're turning away potential new members of the valve community, something your videos in the past have introduced me to the lesser-known sides of and made them very approachable, and seeing you act so gatekeep-y about this now is very disheartening.

[@RichterOvertime]

1. meh True but i really wasnt interested in watching 15 million retrospectives to see what are the "Good ones" plus the fact u admit so many of them are cash grab rehashes kinda proves my point that this game has been talked to death and is better left behind. i didnt think it was too big of a deal since i also accidentally flashed a totally unrelated jacksfilms video which i think is a giveaway that i wasn't talking about every single video shown but maybe a disclaimer that not all the vids r bad was in order tho i concede 2.im a guy who cares about half life here to condemn content creators who milk the half life community for money without caring about it because i think its shitty behavior. ok yea they can discuss their experiences or whatever, its not like i said these vids should be pulled off youtube. but that doesnt mean i have to like it or be ok with what i see 3. not true though because hdtf only became as big as it did BECAUSE of the e-celeb fan flaming. as for gatekeeping im guilty as charged, tho i'd argue gatekeeping the valve community is a morally righteous act because it's so fucking awful. people have tried to kill eachother over leaked maps before!!! ultimately i read your comment thinking you were some guy stopping by and trying to talk shit but this new comment makes it seem like you care a little more so I'll give you an apology for not meeting your expectations and being sloppy in my coverage. also an apology for the cheap shots in my original reply. game still sucks tho (the guys who covered it and made it too!)

[@heyyou9472]

I swear on my grandmother's grave that the """""""parkour""""" system that HDTF utilizes is just a fucking Garry's Mod parkour addon that requires you to de-equip everything to use. And at that, a very OLD version of it. Like, i spent hundreds of hours on Garry's Mod, and I swear up and down that I recognize some of those wall climbs and pipe climbing animations.

[@cinfdef]

"It puts the steam in steaming pile of shit" Gotta applaud you on that one that is a good line!

[@MrJamesonStyles]

Two Words - Minerva: Metastasis. That plus Smod is the best HL2 universe gameplay experience I've ever had. And the way that, to my knowledge, the *single developer* Adam Foster created an entire original plot and built a gloriously detailed citadel-scale combine structure for players to fight their way through, and the way that the presented opposition forces you to run and survive rather than clear out every single enemy and "win" the combat encounters is just wonderful, turns the game on its head. I only wish it had some voice acting for its dialogue messages, which is the only way the story is told to the player with its unraveling mystery about why you're there and what your mission is. The right voice actor in that role could be a huge plus to the experience, rather than having to stop and read each message. Other than that, it's just about perfect.

[@CityofButterfly]

I always got the impression that the story being advanced via text messages with no voice acting was an homage to the Marathon trilogy. That's one of the things I loved about Minerva.

[@MrJamesonStyles]

@@CityofButterfly I can see that. My only issue with it is that it kinda hurts the pacing, and the pacing is a big part of the theme of the story. But I can easily forgive it that.

[@gbzopple1642]

7:46 bars

[@WJT.]

"The aliens are coming, we've been compromised!!"

[@Ky-Nas]

As disappointing as the end product for Prospekt may be, you gotta admit the custom suit voice they made for it is sick as fuck.

[@Mahoromatic]

Great mods but you forgot to mention HL Signal Lost and Field Intensity, two great mods on the Goldsrc engine.

[@RichterOvertime]

If I mentioned field intensity I would look like a shill lol, I voice act the radio guy in that mod

[@hik3975]

enjoyed the video was very intresting to know all the bad and good fangames now i can know wich i can play and wich ones i cant play and also i FINALLY joined your patreon! idk if you reseved the email or idk

[@dalejhunter1]

Will you try your hand at reviewing games made on the Golden Source/Source engine? Would love to hear your opinion on the horror classics like Cry of Fear, Afraid of Monsters, Nightmare House, and Underhell. And I would love to learn about any other gems/laughably bad games that aren't exclusively fan games.

[@Kerubii22]

I wish you would've found another game for "The Ugly", Its less of a category and more of a special place for hdtf specifically Considering you seem like you really don't want to be talk about whats already been said and "damned if I dont", Another game that would fit the bill would be great

[@bensadfleck9972]

BTW, Hunt Down the Freeman's creator went to work at activision and THEN became a Senior designer for a first party studio from Sony

[@papaspoon1550]

Once again Richter made a banger video with no dislikes because he's just that good But TROs video is actually very well made, def wasn't made just for a quick buck. His content is quality over quantity.

[@Calvin_Coolage]

Most of the longer videos on it are great. Pyro and IHE's videos were fun because they were involved with it, Tehsnakerer's video on it is so damn good it might as well be the definitive essay on why it sucks, and Civvie's was funny as hell.

[@HDTFCentral]

I'm sorry, but i disagree vehemently; TRO's content fucking sucks and and his only claim to fame is that he makes stupidly long videos about waaay past dead topics without nothing new to the video; definitely a case of quantity > quality; and the difference between him, Civvie 11, Tehsnakerer, JarekTheGamingDragon is staggering

[@papaspoon1550]

@@HDTFCentral man you using big words that I had to look up, I just like his channel I don't often watch his content bc I find his voice to be a little mono I just tune in every now and again and as someone who loves to create stuff and never post it I understand how hard and easy video editing is. Plus youtube at this point isn't about passion, it's about money many creators will admit that youtube is their job and they need to make money so if they have to shill they will

[@bloxyoyo]

"An offensively bad attempt at adapting mgsv to the half life universe" HOW HAVE I NEVER NOTICED THIS.

[@jared6343]

Having played it (on gamepass thankfully) I think it's a bit harsh to call Back 4 Blood straight up bad. It was pretty fun when I played and the weapon upgrade system and card system were both really great. It's more just, overpriced and Turtlerock has been slow on updating it I think people just bandwagon crowbcat's video more than anything

[@TarlukLegion]

Oh yeah, Crowbcat's one of the worst. Just makes a living off of cherrypicking pointless crap and circlejerking. Just look at his terrible TF2 video.

[@Artician]

@@TarlukLegion Only 7 people from the original L4D 1&2 team worked on B4B. "cherrypicking pointless crap" isn't even applicable for B4B since everything he showed is literally part of the gameplay and therefore the enjoyment of it that can't be glossed over when compared to L4D 1&2. The extreme amount of downgrades is absolutely depressing considering L4D 1&2 were so ahead of their time, you might as well assume that B4B came out before them if it weren't for the graphics. Additionally, they've straight up lied to and betrayed the speedrunning community, changing things only speedrunners would really use (like stam-hopping) behind their backs that they've previously assured they wouldn't change, nerfing "overpowered" risk-vs-reward builds that were fun to use (that were also pretty much only used by speedrunners), making certain features worse for no/bad reasons and then not even explaining some of them in the patch notes, etc. (check out "Developers Killed Back 4 Blood Speedrunning" by 'Maxylobes' for all of that). It's really ironic that Turtlerock Studio was also the developer of Evolve, a massive dumpster fire that was hyped up by people to the point like it seemed to be a cure for cancer.

[@HDTFCentral]

Sorry bud, but Back 4 Blood is complete garbage water, what game needs a card system? and Turtlerock being slow to update the game and making it overpriced makes it more obvious that it's bad

[@jared6343]

@@HDTFCentral very insightful and constructive argument, 10/10 reply

[@nevadaxelizabeth]

kinda weird you left the Cinematic Mod aside, sure its not an standalone game but make HUGE changes to HALF LIFE 2 and the episodes that might as well be a separate game. and its contentious as some people hate and others love it.