Valve Index Controllers VS Oculus Touch VS HTC VIVE Controllers (Review)

We review the Valve Index Controllers by comparing them with the Oculus Touch Controllers and the HTC VIVE Controllers! At the end, our recommendations! Timestamps below.
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So I thought it would be interesting to review the Valve Index Controllers by comparing them with the controllers of two other major VR brands: the Oculus Touch and the HTC VIVE Wands. At the end of this video, I’ll let you know what I recommend.
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00:34 - Intro per controller
01:35 - Build Quality
02:45 - Feel (Ergonomics)
04:26 - Tracking
06:15 - Buttons & Placement
09:38 - Hand Presence
10:52 - Battery Life
12:12 - Conclusion
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[@CasandChary]

If you have any questions at all, feel free to ask them below and let me know if you agree or disagree with my points. I especially love to hear if you think the Valve Index Controllers click problem is an issue to you. Also, timestamps below: 00:01 - Intro 00:34 - Intro per controller 01:35 - Build Quality 02:45 - Feel (Ergonomics) 04:26 - Tracking 06:15 - Buttons & Placement 09:38 - Hand Presence 10:52 - Battery Life 12:12 - Conclusion

[@ktm1125]

So 5 months ago i bought a vive pro headset with controllers are sensors amd now after seeing this video i know that i made a big mistake and i'm sad.....

[@isakh-vangen6964]

does the Valve Index Controllers vibrate😅??????

[@Gregtech123]

@@ktm1125 you can buy just the controllers

[@thomasphillips7895]

Can you connect Htc Vive controllers to the valve index?

[@Gregtech123]

@@thomasphillips7895 yes everything is compatible together

[@dansiegel2811]

I reserved my index controllers on August 1st, and they FINALLY came in this morning! I heard that they "fixed" the thumbstick issue with the newer waves of reservations (they said they designed it that way but wanted to be understanding to what people want) and I am happy to report that it's true!! My Index controller thumbsticks can click in in every direction, and in games like Pavlov and No Man's Sky, I am able to run by clicking it down.

[@CasandChary]

Awesome to hear!! Thanks for letting us know about the controllers.

[@dansiegel2811]

@WolvesDespair I ordered directly from Steam personally

[@mztlcc7095]

Everyone gangsta till oculus quest pull up wit hand tracking

[@jasonle9596]

Doesn't it only do hand tracking if you are looking at your hands. What happens if you look away, will the objects you are carrying just drop?

[@jeroenvanhoorebeke6742]

Except for it works like garbage

[@cadenmax6623]

@@jeroenvanhoorebeke6742 eh kinda

[@duckgoose8945]

I still think you need buttons and stuff because gestures would just be... eh...

[@mixup2216]

@@jeroenvanhoorebeke6742 yeah I did hand physics lab on my quest 2 it was pretty difficult to do the things I want to. If you’re just looking at your hands it’s incredibly surreal how they do exactly what you do irl but when you need to pick stuff up and do precise movements it’s kind of frustrating and it looses tracking on fast movements.

[@ArtifiSir]

I have just received my Valve Index kit after having a Rift S for a month now. The Index controllers are very intuitive for someone who is a gamer and has an idea how VR games play, but for someone completely new to VR and gaming in general, the touch controllers are good for introducing all this because of the simple face button/stick controls that give better direct tangible feedback. (Grip button opposed to a pressure handle) My right Index controller has limited directional joystick clicking. I have determined that it is because the rod the joystick rides on is just barely not long enough to be able to press the button at an angle. My solution was to carefully and slowly remove the face plate through the joystick hole (being mindful to avoid the top of the face plate where the ribbon cable is) then lifting off the joystick with slow pressure to keep the second ribbon cable intact. I then placed a 1mm ball bearing in the joystick then packed it down back into the rod like a musket ball and that gave just enough length the rod to make it so it clicks in all directions now. My family is composed of all artists and engineers, so combined we're filled to the brim with tools that make small component jobs simpler, so if you do this yourself, just be extra careful and use non metal tools if possible.

[@dipf7705]

Good info! I bet a lot of people would appreciate a video of fixing the controllers

[@CasandChary]

I've seen people do this. I might give it a try when we get a spare controller. Thank you!

[@tommybull6578]

Not to mention oculus is $600 cheaper lol

[@queenbiscuit311]

tommy Bull if you’re getting an index i dont think that $600 is an issue for you

[@asmartevo9081]

Where to buy touch controllers ?

[@gottabesandi]

This review is very in-depth and organized! Thank you it is the most helpful one I have found! As a newbie to VR I knew next to nothing about these controllers, and seeing the clips where you are using them and we can see which button does what hand gesture is just what I needed to understand how these controllers are used! Thank you 🙏

[@killbuzz8706]

2:12 This is why you always wear your straps kids!

[@Thicbladi]

You can get it if it was you and your phone and your computer or something you might have it on the computer.

[@Akosiraptr]

Your content is great! I hope this channel grows rapidly!

[@SnoopyRC124]

Oculus just needs to add a grip strap to better simulate grabbing and releasing objects like the index controllers. Plus the pressure levels was a really good step for valve. Great video as always, you're very informative!!

[@OleMartinHandeland]

I have both the Index controllers and the Touch controllers, and I haven't yet been able to make any knuckles-like grips that work as well on the Touch controllers as the Valve Index does. You'll get halfway there, but the shape of the Index controllers really lend themselves to fit your hands much better than the Touch does.

[@a_table]

In virtual reality oaisis latest video he shows knuckles like grip strap.

[@JaxxAttack]

Actually someone on KZbin has a great tutorial how to use the wrist strap as a grip strap. All he used was a hairband. And the wrist strap

[@Americanspy-hn2kw]

JaxxAttack link?

[@Ethan-es4dw]

You can make a index strap on a touch controller DIY

[@rstm4900]

Great video like always! 👍

[@riggle6627]

this is actually still relevant and helpful [august 2020]

[@Mikey48ish]

Great Video and I totally agree with your "Pro's and Cons" regarding each controller! Personally I own a Rift CV1 and love the ergonomic design and weight of the touch controllers, but where I work, I have access to all three controllers (Vive wand, Rift touch and Valve knuckles). For overall comfort, I prefer the touch controllers and I too find the Vive wands to be bulky and clumsy. But we recently got the knuckles controllers in and the individual finger tracking really does add a greatly improved sense of hand presence, and I love the fact that I can release my grip without dropping or accidentally throwing the controller out of my hands....8-).

[@6996Gunslinger]

very good review thanks

[@truhardcore]

hey c&c proud of you girls thanks for getting more in Specs

[@CasandChary]

Thanks! :)

[@Winter-eh2mp]

I have already had thumb-stick drift with my left valve index controller. I used them for a week and after that it started drifting. Valve was quick to help but it still sucks that it’s happening. A few others I know that use the index controllers have already been through a couple controllers, all with thumb-stick drift.

[@smakusdod]

Well reasoned, I agree with your ranking!

[@CasandChary]

Great to hear!!

[@lolokikou5521]

thanks for the great review, i was on the fence to buy index controller to replace htc vive wands but finally i'm going to stick with my wands untill better controllers release, i'm not going to buy oculus whole kit just to get better controllers.

[@aini9528]

Just wanted to add this in here: i have carpal tunnel in both my wrists and when comparing HTC Vive and Valve Index I would say Vive has the center of gravity in like one mass lump whereas Index has it spread out over more in different places, that could affect something when you turn your hands a lot in... Another thing is I don't think It'd be too difficult to place DIY straps in the HTC Vive controllers using similar-ish tying as the Index used. Cheers!

[@Malainor]

Oculus toutch with mammoth? grip. Is quite nice removed the battery lid running away when playing beatsaber, dont have to grip but i can also squash them hard, thought it Could be better. 🤔 More of a hassle to put on thought. I got quest and index. I like both atm.

[@insaneegg9054]

I'm still getting the valve index because the controllers are realistic and advanced and look comfortable and you don't have to hold on to them since they have the hand straps, and the clicking of the thumbsticks isn't an issue for me

[@myztklk3v]

I currently have touch v1's and while I'm looking forward to the index for it's obvious benefits, but I really hate the button/joystick/trackpad thingy layout. They need to ditch the track pads entirely and move the joystick closer to the center or even just swap the joystick position with the track pad.

[@exakelgaming]

i haven't had my vive cosmos elite for a month and i am already eyeing the valve index controllers for the extra buttons and compatibility alone. Being able to flip the bird in VR is a bonus. LUL

[@ericks5130]

What a solid video

[@Minefield666]

It feels a little misplaced that you mention liking/subscribing numerous times in the video. Other than that, a very good and thourough review! I just got my first VR-headset yesterday (Vive Pro) and i've already ordered the Valve "Knuckles". Very excited for when they arrive.... In two months time 😋

[@FroggyStyle]

Am I able to use Those Occulus Touch Controllers on my HTC Vive? I cant find much info about it. I really want thumb stick movement for FPS games. I am struggling with this Touchpad movement.

[@SweetCherryGrower]

So high quality...vr is in the best hands..see what i did there?

[@CasandChary]

😂

[@ethiuseximius7403]

Hello! Is there any way you can you use the oculus cv1 controllers with the valve index headset ? It would be a nice experiment to see.

[@danthompsett2894]

Hi does the Occulus rift touch work with other vr headsets like Pimax 4K vr headset?

[@merinsan]

I managed to slam my HTC wand into a pillar (while swinging a sword). The plastic case was misaligned afterwards, but I managed to click it back into place and they still worked!

[@Em.P14]

actually at what you said abbout competitive gameplay: yes more lightweight controllers will give you a faster aim, BUT the problem is, you wont have a smooth aim. It was so at least for me, i was kinda used to my normal vive wands and was not bad at aiming but it was kind of difficult, later on i put protective silicone chases on them that nearly doubbled their weight and boom i had super smoot and steady aim. as much as it was for beat saber ... couldn't make out a difference as i was still a newbie to it when i put the protectors on and got acustomed to it, i can do expert+ without problems and it nearly doubbles the workout with the doubble weight. as for protection... one of my vive controllers survived a critical full power gorn strike on a 90° outwards facing corner in my room, which left the upper disc beeing seperated by abbout 1mm where the upper and lower half of the disc meet, poped right back together (thank god). since that i do use those and with a little bigger room, i can still report that both of them are allive and well, although one makes a little louder rattle sound while rumbling since a friend of mine smacked it at my rooms glass door ... and no the door survived me and gorn, aswell as my friend, so leighweight may not be the best and a testament to the almost indestructable nature of the vive controllers

[@mixup2216]

Maybe the htc vive ones are studier than touches but the touches are also light you should take into account so even if you did through them they wouldn’t have a lot of energy to damage anything or themselves even if they are flimsier but they still feel pretty solid to me

[@beedykh2235]

Thank you!

[@ChirpyMisha]

I play beat saber and I use an Oculus Quest with the Oculus Touch controllers. I lose tracking almost every song at least once. It often takes like 2 to 3 seconds to get tracking back which is not good at all.

[@jordirapper]

I have all 3 and Index win IMO. They have finger tracking and controls giving best of both worlds. Quest are simple and small but work. Wands are too outdated now. I prefer them for Beat Saber the most but anything else I use Index.

[@RyanHawley76]

I returned my Index controllers and got a Quest and have no regret at all.

[@CasandChary]

Good to hear Ryan! Crazy to think they are both the same price actually.

[@RyanHawley76]

@@CasandChary right!? Only $120 difference. The controllers were fine and all but it's so cool having the Quest AND PCVR!

[@Urwin25]

I have a gear vr ( i know not a really good vr headset) headset could i use different controllers than the one that came with it

[@reymargrecia8119]

Hey I have a little question if i have Oculus Vr Can I change the controller of Oculus to hive controller??

[@myztklk3v]

its nice to see oculus made a whole new set of controllers and still have the issue of the batteries draining when you're not using them.

[@DjBasA38]

about the stick clicking, do they still register for you, even though you don't feel a click?

[@CasandChary]

They still register, but not ALWAYS as good. Sometimes you gotta press it in harder.

[@jordirapper]

Maybe it is because Vive is my first headset and I do think thumbsticks are easier, I don't mind the wands. I find the Oculus Touch controllers to be way to tiny. That said, just ordered my Index controllers and looking forward to playing and just letting go of the controllers when I get tired. Do the grip really stay on firm? Can you play Beat Saber with them for example?

[@jma4454]

Can I buy only the htc vive headset and trackers, and then buy the valve controllers? I need those

[@asadsilk]

Might I ask which video is the one in which you throw away the controller?

[@yehiaelzatahry3502]

Check all horror games

[@CasandChary]

This one! kzbin.info/www/bejne/eaeno2manMh_aZY It's a really old video by now though...

[@sirhendro]

I like my vive controllers except for those buttons on the side. They are indeed hard to press. I would like to try out those Valve Index controllers one day.

[@wompstopm123]

i smashed my htc vive controller into a wall while trying to break a window in boneworks. the ring on the top of it bent forward and snapped off. i was able to repair it in 5 minutes by re connecting the ribon cables and duct taping the ring back on.

[@thelightdesigner4490]

lmao

[@nrg753]

Should update this for 2020, things are a bit different now! More games support the index and the thumbstick has changed in later revisions.

[@Cindarr1]

The main problem with using the wands or the index contolers is that they need the base stations (another small fortune) and some way to connect them to the pc. The original vive has a little box that the headset plugs into that doubles up as a bluetooth receiver, and i think the bluetooth is built into the index headset.

[@davomate1000]

The base stations are not wired to the PC, only to power. The link box only includes Bluetooth to put the base stations in and out of sleep mode. There is no link box with the Vive Pro or Index

[@Cindarr1]

@@davomate1000 I know the base stations are standalone units but I was referring to the controllers. They're wireless which means they're either Bluetooth or some other wireless solution that your headset/PC needs to support. I'm not sure if all headsets have Bluetooth or not. If they do then connecting them probably won't be an issue. However if you're not using a vive or index already, you'll need to buy the base stations as well.

[@techjunkie133]

The rift s controllers feel very weak but they are really comfy. I banged my controller once and it was super scratched. I personally don't like the rift s with the built in tracking as it just feels like they cut out or aren't accurate especially when grabbing weapons off of your back in something like blade and sorcery.

[@spry_guy]

Bloopers at the end! All is right with the world [})

[@CasandChary]

Bloopers are never going anywhere... apparently I can't record without mistakes ;)

[@Moonshine449]

Is it possible to use the index controllers with the Quest

[@shawn6306]

Nice review on valve index and oculus touch vs htc vive, i know that i just told you all about vr touch i know you love the idea of vr touch and vr gloves as well just like i do and now i also want to talk about in the near far future we will also have virtual reality smell and taste i just want it to know what is your honest opinion about it

[@CasandChary]

I hope we get to try that! Smell and taste in VR.. sounds very cool.

[@thatwolffe3802]

The older touch controllers are so much nicer than the new ones. i have accidentally punched a wall with mine and the wall took more damage, and the battery cover has stronger magnets.

[@greg8082]

Do oculus touch controllers work with the valve index?

[@thanosztitan]

hehe love the Transitions appear/disappear/teleport its fun! the WMR controllers is it closest to the oculus touch controller or what?

[@jed1nat]

Touch controller have way better ergonomics, but I'd definitely take the WMR controllers over the Vive wands.

[@CasandChary]

I only tried the WMR controllers once, so I can't really say, but so far I agree with jed1nat!

[@mirak63]

I got the knuckles since one week, and coming from vive wands, it's not easy to get used to them. First I never disliked the touchpad of the wands, and knew the stick would make locomotion harder. It's harder because the stick springs creates tension on the thumb, that makes it harder to have precision in movements, harder to rest on a specific position, especially since in VR your arms are moving around, and are not still like if you play in a couch. Second issues is that the physical trigger conflicts with finger presence, because even when you don't have a gun in your hands, you always feel a trigger. So when you grab something you feel a click on the index finger, this is immersion breaking. Maybe they should have put a trigger on each finger for consistency, or find a way to have a triggerable trigger xD Third, I have average hand size for a man, and the knuckles feels too small. I am already on the lowest position, and my hand and fingers tend to feel to high. They designed the wands with simplicity in mind, and they should have kept that with the knuckles, and still used a track pad and one button. The added complexity creates to much inconsistencies accros games.

[@tylapaco_pl7397]

For me the Vive are winning and i think their touch circle are ok, maybe not amazning but their extra to use

[@neurokinetik64ES]

I'm skeptical of the weights listed. The Index controllers feel much, much lighter than the Vive wands. It's even more obvious when you need to whip them around playing Beat Saber.

[@AydenMillersBohawks]

Do you know when Valve index will be for sale in Australia I want one and I love your videos very good reviews.

[@CasandChary]

I have no idea, I'm sorry. I really hope Valve releases it to more countries soon.

[@Kyobinoyo]

I would say around the time of the release from Halflife Alyx

[@SirMato]

wait so you can use index controllers for htc vive??

[@invsdaniel3293]

VIVE Wands feel great in Beat Saber!

[@JTV13]

My opinion coming from a vive to a quest 2 is the 3rd gen of touch controllers and I didn’t like the vive wands as much I never used the index tho

[@lucywucyyy]

i wish there was a cheap alternative to the vive controllers more similar to the other two

[@Alpha-gk6hd]

I have vive controllers. The touchpads on those break so easily. Repaired one of my vive controllers back in march and it is acting up again. Im willing to flock out money for the valve index controllers

[@bob445566DE]

The thing about the touch controllers is, that the rings are placed in such a way, that in an accident you are most likely to bump your fingers and not the ring. Backhanded slashes near a wall are the only real danger to these controllers.

[@RockSleeper]

It's sad, the thumb stick position on the index is a deal breaker for me. I've seen they went through several iterations to make the controller very ergonomic, but they must have designed the thumb stick position while out drinking one night.

[@thomasphillips7895]

Do htc vive controllers connect to the valve index???

[@BallsackEnjoyer]

Trust me, them quest controllers are WAY stronger than they look. I've thrown and smashed the controllers, and have only made a few scuffs

[@hydzior]

For me oculus touch controllers are the best right now. Valve Index would be the 1st but with the thumbstick issues they're not.

[@im_laww]

Are the PlayStation headsets working on oculus quest???

[@ostapya]

Thanks

[@dougdogdoug4920]

Make a review: knuckles vs hands Hehe

[@vinnypalazzolo6224]

So can u use the valve index controllers with a regular htc vive

[@Fedzor]

yes

[@vinnypalazzolo6224]

What about the cosmos

[@marshallr.8121]

i dont quite understand the point of 'valve wont recognise the thumb stick issue' you mentioned yourself that you can rebind it, which is a solution offered by valve?

[@LastOfTheRangers4090]

"I don't quite understand of the point of 'Ford won't recognize the Driver's Door issue.' You mention yourself you can enter through the passenger door and crawl across, which is a solution offered by Ford?"

[@marshallr.8121]

​@@LastOfTheRangers4090 point taken, weird analogy tho~ 7.5/10

[@LastOfTheRangers4090]

@@marshallr.8121 7.5/10 is a passing grade. I'll take it! :D

[@lifelesshawk5725]

Marshall R. Well, I have talk to several people who just got their controller, and they don’t have the thumbstick problem at least from what I’ve heard.

[@marshallr.8121]

@@lifelesshawk5725 maybe they improved it on the more recent production line already? would definitely be nice to see even tho i never saw it as a dealbreaker to begin with

[@itsjustme6906]

I love how yo say button

[@VirtualAirTour]

Rechargeable/removable AA batteries > built in/plug in batteries any day of the week...especially as the controllers begin to age.

[@CasandChary]

True, true! Although, after using the VIVE Wands for 2 years, the batteries still work very good.

[@cloudzw2364]

The Valve Index controllers are hands down the best

[@applechancey1072]

One of my mates has a htc vive and the controllers just aren’t comfortable and movement in many games is difficult.

[@greenjacketman560]

I don't really like the oculus touch controllers, the grip button isn't very intuitive to me, the trigger also feels very cheap and light. ( I also have big hands ) so they aren't very comfortable. I currently use vive wands but want to try the knuckles controllers but am unsure if they will work for me.

[@alexbruton3581]

Why do you have to pay the same amount as whole headset to get a pair of controller ??

[@demonboy50]

Alot of this info is outdated. Thumbstick issue is fixed. If you play Beat Saber at a high tier level, or play games shooters where your hands are close to your head or covered up. Index tracks better, almost never loses tracking. These little things really matter.

[@Jamic9]

Good stuff. Just got a Oculus Rift S along with a RTX 2080ti. So I'm now fully VR ready.

[@CasandChary]

Damn! That's a great setup!! Have fun.

[@gokucanfly4593]

Lol onlyb1400 and will getting destroyed by 3080ti for half price

[@Jamic9]

​@@gokucanfly4593 Jealousy will get you nowhere bro.

[@gokucanfly4593]

@@Jamic9 hahaha i have a 1080ti.... thats isn almost as good for half rhe price along with a way better pc than any of you guys have .... dumb fucks im not soending 1400 on 20fps

[@gokucanfly4593]

@@Jamic9 have fun with your prob ryzen 2200g

[@davidvincent380]

Hard to beat the ergonomics of Touch !

[@TobeasJ]

i would love to get the Knuckles but they don't work with the Rift S and I don't feel like buying a thousand dollar headset just for the controllers.

[@demonboy50]

There might be a way to only buy the base stations and controllers to use them with oculus. Same as fullbody work around.

[@isakh-vangen6964]

does the Valve Index Controllers vibrate😅??????

[@GMVR828]

She called it my oculus touch controller snapped in half lol.

[@Mordred952]

Hi can i use the valve controllers with my right s

[@PitgramPL]

Yes, but you will need to buy steam vr base stations as well, not only controllers

[@crustydog1666]

I don't like that I always have to keep a grip on the Oculus touch controllers. It always feels as if I'm gonna drop them. I want a system that lets me use my hands naturally.

[@quantumwolf504]

Vive wands are useful for beat saber

[@Seidowas]

i have the money for HTC vive or Rift cv1 ( second hand ) I want Vive graphism, Rift controllers, Vive sensors, rift egornomic and weight

[@PolskaDayo]

Id say go for the rift s, but that doesnt fit all of your descriptions, and no headset will currently come as close as the rift s

[@Urwin25]

Do you live in the Netherlands?

[@bupduppers2947]

I think that she’s kinda biased on the touch, she used it the most so of course she’s gonna like it the most, she says one “flaw” with the index is the placement of the touchpad THATS NOT A FACT THATS BIASED BASED ON YOUR EXPERIENCE WITH OTHER VR SYSTEMS, ALSO PRICE FOR QUALITY GET THAT THROUGH YOURE HEAD ITS THE BEST FOR ITS PRICE

[@Evasi0m]

In my opinion the oculus controllers are the best, they're light, small, and very comfortable. The valve index controllers dont look bad, they're just not my type, but the htc ones look terrible

[@BVDsGoneFishing]

Great review! I put Touch controllers on top. I can't tell you how many times I've had a murderous death grip on the Index controllers when playing gun or flying sims games.

[@CasandChary]

O_O What's a murderous death grip? Sounds painful...

[@atlantisjp6015]

Do the valve controllers work on the vive

[@CasandChary]

Yes. Works with any base station headsets.

[@PopCorn-ih7ow]

Ocolus is probably gonna make touch controllers with finger tracking if valve does well with the valve index controllers

[@OliverEye]

First, your grammar sucks. Second, the Oculus touch controllers can detect your fingers, that is why you are allowed to point and it knows where they are, there is also finger tracking.

[@kylemorgan1819]

I think original oculus touch controller is better than new one

[@nephi-odandy9728]

I use the touch controllers and accidentally punch my roof with them all the time, they are streaked with white paint, but they haven't broken in the slightest yet.

[@CasandChary]

Very good to know! (Not the punching part, but the not breaking part) ;)

[@cow4756]

I don't like that side click, it got me killed on doom vfr multiple times with wmr

[@CasandChary]

I don't like the click either :( I'd rather not use it

[@utubby3730]

How interesting - the newest and most expensive controllers are bottom of the pile. I cant disagree with any of your points. I dont own the touch controllers, but I own the Vive (day1) and Index (day1). The issues with the Index controllers are really bad for some, its not just a lack of click, it can take much more effort to just press the stick down to get it to actuate, and even though a common reply on reddit to this is that either its just not a problem or that hardly any games use it - I think people need to play more games because in the little time I had them (they are currently RMA) I came across a bunch of games. Click to sprint is obviously the biggest one, with games like DREADHALLS, Arizona sunshine, etc. that use it - some games use it for radial menus too. Its not ok for Valve to charge this amount and then try to say its a design choice! Only a fool is buying that! The fact that perfectly functioning controllers are out there, it even proves thats a lie - not that it made any sense in the first place. Ive seen a few posts recently with people getting their replacement controllers, 3 people have said the newly received ones are as bad if not worse, while 1 person did receive perfect controllers (The duds were all EU, the one with perfect was in the US - too early to say if this is a coincidence.) Great review btw - lots of info and well presented.

[@TjAndersonMMA]

I want to know why the touch controllers use battery's

[@asiananims4263]

my brother (16) (I’m 11) somehow always throws my psvr controller against the wall after declining to put the straps on after I insist, and has “accidentally” broke the “e” key on my old laptop, has smacked my quest controllers on the wall due to him turning around, and hitting the wall. So now I just done let him touch my quest considering the fact I’ve had a psvr, which in my opinion. The tracking sucks. being able to turn around freely makes me feel great, and I do not want to lose that ability because my brother accidentally breaks it somehow. now I just don’t trust my brother with my quest

[@bupduppers2947]

That valve index controllers have like 24 hours of life I charge mine like every 6 days cause I play like everyday like 4 hours a day