Valve Index - Everything you NEED to know

[@duhagumrukcu]

"even though valve wont bless us with a Half-life VR" this aged badly, in a good way.

[@RedDotSniping]

yea just heard that and ran to the comments hahaha

[@jordirapper]

@@RedDotSniping Then you both didn't hear well He said even IF valve wont bless us, indicating that it could happen as well

[@bush2137]

hehe

[@acidyyanimations4630]

When the future proves someone wrong

[@goose1146]

I legit was about to comet that hahahah

[@TomsMucenieks]

I have Vive, and one of the most frustrating thing is the sweating. It gets really hot when you're moving with the headset and you get basically wet headset, when you switch it other people who have played an active game. I hope they'll add some coolers on the next generation headsets. :D

[@Meelk38]

Hoi

[@ADSaaron]

“Dear Santa, I’ve been *REALLY* good this year”

[@GullibleProKiller1]

Dear Santa, I promise I did not murder that child over there.

[@yeeturmcbeetur8197]

We’ll get an index 2, but not an index 3.

[@paypur8193]

but we will also get an index 2

[@gavart4509]

Did u just use that graph formula bullshit? B o i

[@SadToffee]

AHHHHHHHHH. HE MADE A JOOOOOKE. BECAUSE THERES NO TF3 OR PORTAL 3 OR HALF-LIFE 3. AHHHHHHHHH!

[@zwolfelfen]

Index 2 part 2

[@Michael64DS]

Index 2 Episode One

[@carlit0wai]

there are several videos giving us everything we need to know but this video is hands down the best video we needed to find out EVERYTHING WE NEED TOO KNOW props mate

[@VirtualRealityOasis]

Thanks Carlo! Really appreciate that mate []-)

[@jasonmercieca451]

this video is good but it does NOT provide all info VR players wants and needs to know, like what about wireless ???

[@Glarpinator]

@@jasonmercieca451 bruh moment

[@thesfnb.5786]

There's one more thing I want to know. What is the name of the cable that charges the index headset? I think mine's broken and I want to find a new one

[@notahippo7575]

i'm building a whole new pc just for this, goodbye real world

[@Epitaxia]

Same

[@campion10]

Me too. I’ve been out of gaming for a number of years but this is bringing me back. I’m also buying some of the best flight sim gear. I’m spending stupid amounts of money. I’m so excited! What cpu and gpu are you getting? I’m going I5 9600k and Rtx 2060. Hopefully the 2080ti will come down enough in the next few years for an upgrade.

[@notahippo7575]

@@campion10 im getting a ryzen 2700x and a rtx2080. I didn't really believe in the whole vr thing until I put on a vive for the first time. I'm not even joking, I wore the vive for about 30 seconds and took it off then went out and bought an oculus. Im excited for vr to take off

[@campion10]

I might have to bump up my gpu choice. It’s one of, if not the most important component for this and at this point the increase in price is small relative to the overall cost.

[@IdRatherNotHaveAHandleThankYou]

Goodbye!

[@brennanmoran1739]

so glad you covered boneworks in this video! Stress level zero is really breaking boundaries

[@WizardOfAtlantis]

I'm really liking that new headphone solution on the index. I've always hated having headphones actually touching my ears.

[@sqlevolicious]

Just to clarify, those are not headphones, those are BMR speakers, big difference.

[@deaflat1119]

As a high end setup, it's pretty impressive. But it's way out of my price range, unfortunately.

[@IdRatherNotHaveAHandleThankYou]

And for me, I got a low-end gaming PC that can't run SteamVR, Rift, Vive and probably not the Index. Thank god the Quest exists!

[@HIIMUsc]

internet person i can‘t decide, i mean its really cool to use the Quesr without any extra cables, but on the other hand with a Vega 56 i should have enough power for the Rift S, hard decision to make....

[@deaflat1119]

@@HIIMUsc I was in the same boat as you. I have a PC that can handle a Rift S but I couldn't decide between the two. Ultimately I decided on the Quest because it's success is really important to mass market adoption and the resulting future of VR in general. So the Quest it is for me. Now I'm staring at the countdown waiting for the 21st 😀

[@HIIMUsc]

Funky Lobster i mean i still have to save up some money, and might even wait for the Index, but im not sure yet, especially for that price... have fun with your Quest tho!

[@raypatrickpatlonag4957]

@@HIIMUsc bruh vega is more than enough lol. gtx 1060 is recommended

[@Nekminute]

If you have 1K to spend the Index is the BEST to get

[@VirtualRealityOasis]

It seems that way although the proof will be in the testing when it arrives []-)

[@Nekminute]

@@VirtualRealityOasis cant wait on your reviews

[@Wbroach24]

If you have a Vive already you can get the headset first ($599) and use your existing light houses and controllers, save up a bit get the index(Knuckles) ($280) controllers then your good unless you have a huge VR space then you'll need the new light houses another $200 or so. I don't think that's that bad. If your worried about PC Horsepower get a Windows Mixed reality headset there 85-90% as good as the Vive due to not full scale room tracking IMO.

[@Wbroach24]

Im fixing to order the Controllers first myself but that's what i think will increase immersion the most for me. I'll get the headset probably around Christmas.

[@thecomicman6890]

Virtual Reality Oasis yeah I’m waiting for it to come out and if it’s the best I’m buying it

[@ATestamentToTech]

Got my pre-order in in the first 15 mins after the website sorted its life out! Can't wait 7 weeks. Feels like a life time

[@vitaminc4tm779]

Try your best to forget it. Then it would come in a heartbeat and it would be a big snd nice suprise ^_^

[@TrevorJones1]

if you cant wait 7 weeks and need something to help you deal. Just thank god that you live in a country that valve acknowledges and allowed you to buy it at all. (Yes im grumpy)

[@OrctonAI]

Great Video, I ordered this as soon as pre orders went live also. Roll on 28th June! Also ordered a quest to have a play with in the mean time. Great to see so many options out there.

[@yifb1444]

Ork you must be loaded

[@OrctonAI]

Deoxys Nah! Just got bad priorities and poor willpower :D

[@b0mbware]

The valve knuckles are quite impressive

[@thecomicman6890]

Thomasito Ferrari I really hope we can just buy them and use it with the Oculus Quest or rift (I know that it works with the vive, but it should be compatible with the rift

[@b0mbware]

Ikr? I'm gegting a quest someday and it would be epic to use those :D

[@thesneakyfoxtss]

@@thecomicman6890 You can get them to work w/ Oculus with some work

[@ATestamentToTech]

@@thesneakyfoxtss true, with a bit of coding and a couple lighthouses 2.0

[@suicidalbanananana]

@@ATestamentToTech No coding needed, you just need to: - Have an Oculus Rift S, the chance of Steam supporting an Oculus Quest is slim to none - Play your games on Steam, as that will be the only platform that understands all the hardware involved, Oculus platform will not understand SteamVR hardware at all.

[@Aeviu]

Everything you need to know: It's $1000

[@lajeandom]

looks like high quality tho

[@Artey86]

Quality comes at a price. This will offer immersiveness the Oculus can't compete with.

[@pkilljoy5797]

@@Artey86 cant !== wont. Oculus are purposefully limiting what they put out to hit 400$. Have you seen their R&D?

[@johnbeaton1076]

Yeah....and don't forget the $ for the 2080ti you'll need to run this thing as intended!

[@Artey86]

@@johnbeaton1076 a 1070 or 1080 will do fine

[@Huskeraa]

Pre-ordered mine as soon as the orders went live, got the headset + controller bundle and was lucky enough to get into the first batch and I am super hyped!

[@VirtualRealityOasis]

Nice work Husky! []-)

[@UnknownSquid]

Want to trade? I have a bag of triple chocolate cookies sitting on my desk right now, only slightly used. Can have them in transit to your door within the hour. As a gesture of friendship, I'll happily cover postage costs for the exchange. : )

[@Huskeraa]

@@UnknownSquid Deal! I'm sold!

[@UnknownSquid]

@@Huskeraa Limitless supply of high fidelity virtual cookies here I come! ^ ^

[@suicidalbanananana]

Hyyypeeeee! Only we still have to wait a couple of weeks :( :P

[@gamedirection_us]

Valve looks at the best features on the market. See's modding/customization = Good Adds a front trunk for modders. Damn smart move.

[@ricekid456]

Finally, can flip a bird at an unruly person

[@soser9770]

only vr channel ive trusted since i got my oculus go tbh.

[@FuzzyPuppet]

Love your channel!

[@archibob9411]

What do you have to do with vr?

[@ImagineHacking]

@@archibob9411 why does he need anything to do with VR

[@archibob9411]

@@ImagineHacking idk, it just seems like a verified channel that does videos purely directed towards kids would only be trying to promote their channel, and have no interest in vr

[@mrfoxfam_doesstuff6252]

oh, it’s my childhood, nice

[@jsg5612]

I'm interested, but skeptical. 1k is alot of money and is a big bet, without having solid proof from great reviewers (like you) I'm not really feeling like dropping down the money, maybe ~800 with a pack in title would be a fair deal... But if they impress with quality I'd definitely buy it for the price they put it at!

[@rydude998]

Tested tried the device and Node has had the Knuckles for a long time. Boneworks is specifically designed for them and they've posted loads of gameplay tests with them.

[@DeVipurr]

There have been many people who’ve had the chance to try the knuckles, many VR/VRChat streamers and KZbinrs

[@jsg5612]

Oh yeah, I'm totally down for the Knuckles controllers, but I'm concerned about the *headset* itself ;P

[@edtotman2952]

14 day return policy minimizes the risk

[@suicidalbanananana]

Just wait for reviews, no point rushing to a new product if you dont believe in it. Speaking for myself, i believe the claims, because in the end of the day its Valve, and they are very much about never making compromises, they do something to the best of their abilities, or not at all, combine that with great early reviews (like from the Tested channel) and you might have a better understanding as to why so many people are jumping aboard the bandwagon already. Again, i totally understand your approach tho, and its a lot more sensible then mine ;P

[@neobaggins3718]

My friend and I were both there at zero hour on preorder day for the Index. I got my order through for the full pack in 5 min, my friends bank denied him, and by the time he had it sorted, it was about 10 past and the full package had sold out. He had already been contemplating keeping his 1.0 base stations, since he can't expand his play area at this time. So he got the HMD and Knuckles pack which hadn't sold out yet. Both should be arriving June 28th, but it will be interesting. With the original Vive, I got my preorder through 3 min after it went live on Feb 29th. That 3 min translated to it arriving 3 weeks after the release date. It looks like Valve compensated for this though, which is welcome to me. Guess we'll really know around the middle of June though.

[@brudighini]

9:26 if only he knew

[@d3fect521]

Hands down this is the best KZbin channel ever. Keep up the good work, Mike.

[@VirtualRealityOasis]

Thanks rahul! I really appreciate that mate []-)

[@charles_v_smith]

You are my go to for VR anything Keep doing what you're doing, it's great :)

[@GameRigged]

@@VirtualRealityOasis I'm not sure how you don't have at least a million subscribers, everyone in the VR community knows about you! :D

[@Josh-oc7ib]

You mean the best vr channel.

[@disuko]

Captain D has to be my favorite youtube channel ever :)

[@fairplayer916]

Unless I am severely mistaken, the term frunk was not coined by Tesla. Any mid rear engine vehicle with a front storage compartment as always referred to said storage compartment as a frunk

[@TheKratoKiller]

Correct

[@killhour]

Yeah, it's pretty annoying that Tesla gets the credit for a bunch of stuff that existed well before them. Cars were a thing before techbros came and 'disrupted' them.

[@swfreeD]

haha, oh my god. i love the aperture science themed robots on valves production line.

[@MrLozbosh]

Awesome video Mike! You're definitely the best channel when it comes the pc vr headset information! Kudos mate!

[@brianstone6463]

I cancelled my Rift S pre-order to wait for the Index.

[@juniorc1521]

If you can afford it that is DEFINITELY the better choice. You'll be happy!

[@crash7976]

I doubt you'll be disappointed honestly. The Price honestly isn't bad considering cost of things in the past. And at what really seems like one of the first true upgrades in vr.

[@ImagineHacking]

I have the rift s, my next is either going to be the valve index or whatever the next big VR is

[@808Mark]

Thank you for always keeping us up to date and in the loop Mike!

[@VirtualRealityOasis]

Cheers Mark []-)

[@alatron]

Rift S isn't clicking for me. More motion sickness, worse sound and an uncomfortable headset are some BIG minuses that distract from its pluses. Did a lot of homework, Index is gonna be my jam for a first VR rig. Price was too high, but I'm hoping that the cost goes down over time now that I've invested in good controllers and base stations. Thanks Mike for the great coverage, you've helped a TON in sorting through all this!

[@TrevorJones1]

was more motion sickness listed as a feature?

[@alatron]

Yeah, I heard they even printed up special airsick bags that say '80hz'.

[@suicidalbanananana]

@@alatron hahahahaha Im so hoping to see these sickbags like that at a VR game event some time soon. (on that note, surely we're going to get an E3 like event specifically for VR at some point?)

[@MrMoon-hy6pn]

The index is double the price so of course the rift is gonna have some compromises, but 80 Hz doesn't mean more motion sickness. The frame times matter more up to a point

[@foreverclassic105]

I was looking for an extensive layout of this thing and I’m not disappointed at all with this video. Thanks!

[@SirKitAlot]

I got the RIFT S as my first pc VR! and all I can say if u pre-ordered the index IT LOOKS AMAZING!

[@VirtualRealityOasis]

Nice! Not long to wait now []-)

[@TheGameGuruTv]

2 very damn long weeks, lol same over here

[@suicidalbanananana]

In all honesty the Rift S looks amazing for what its trying to accomplish aswell :D (better prices & less setup hassle) I just had to get an Index tho ^^

[@ny0men]

@@VirtualRealityOasis What do you say? Will oculus bring a nuckles-ich controller for the rift s later on?

[@suicidalbanananana]

@@ny0men Afaik nobody knows, but it would make sense for them to do so, as finger tracking is one of those things we cant have early enough in VR. It will likely be of lesser quality (because they're aiming at lower price ranges) but as long as the general functionality is the same that will be fine.

[@momke8169]

You’ve came a long way mike good job growing your channel

[@TheMightyKinkle]

1:15 I love how they have put Aperture Science logos on the real factory machines

[@richardpeterson6019]

Great video! I also pre-ordered a full set on launch day, moments after orders went live. I want a shirt like yours. It looks like my living room.

[@VirtualRealityOasis]

Nice one! The shirt is a new one from VRCover []-)

[@suicidalbanananana]

I have to agree its a nice shirt, but i kinda doubt if i get one anybody in my social circles will even understand whats shown on it :P

[@alexxk4352]

I waited for Valve Index so hard, saved extra money each month and after hearing the price tag I sold my old Rift and... preordered a rift s (which I never thought about in first place)... xD... I will try it, if it fits my needs. Only when I know: No, this is not mine, too low specs (or what ever), I will sell it and get myself a Index. But 1079€ are just too much in my opinion for a full starter kit... Maybe it get cheaper by time... PS: Awesome video Mike, as always. Oasis is my most favorite VR channel by far! =)

[@jtimleck]

It’s November 2022. I am watching your video here, after being a subscriber to your channel for more than 1 year. I pointed out because I am watching this because I just bought a valve index. I bought it because I have a quest to, but I wanted some thing with higher fidelity, as a PCVR machine. So it’s funny watching your last comments here at 11:28 as you reflect on how the VR market is hitting up with the rift. And while I have no words to say anything other we know the rest of Meta’s rollercoaster ride since then lol …. They, the Valve Index and Meta Quest, remain “the exciting” ones to watch (+Pico in the background). I know I’m about to have buyers remorse when I find out what valve has been up to, lol what they are going to replace the index with, and it looks to be soon. But I don’t. Watching your video 2 1/2 years later is testament to valve index. It is still some thing that is better than worth while 2 1/2 years later. There’s flaws, but nothing that’s going to kill it. Not like, say…, Oh, I don’t know… Quest pro? Lol. Thanks for this vid I really enjoyed it. A suggestion for something in the future would be stupid videos that walk through the interfaces of the quest to, steam, settings, menus, really boring stuff. But, for example, I had no fucking clue that there was pass-through on the valve index. I’ve had it for two months. Also, I didn’t even notice there was a little round button on the bottom of the front. That you could push that and turn on steam . That’s the kind of really boring level stuff that no one is covering. Just an idea!🎉

[@sabykopro]

Im actually pretty hyped for the Valve Index

[@VirtualRealityOasis]

The hype is real SabyKo []-)

[@JPWestmas]

Maybe "Index" is referring to "index of refraction" within the lenses?

[@VirtualRealityOasis]

Nice suggestion Jason []-)

[@vtevdo]

Yes, the name is related to the lenses.

[@austinnonr7908]

It could also be related to the index finger when it comes to the index controllers, so maybe a double meaning with the naming scheme?

[@vtevdo]

@@austinnonr7908 I can no longer find the reference, but someone was analyzing this and concluded that both logo and name are related to the lenses.

[@Brainles5]

Pretty sure this was established months ago on reddit?

[@qweryuiasdf]

$1000 USD doesnt seem that bad tbh with all the stuff you get. But it would have been nice to get one of the three valve titles included.

[@emooki886]

$1000 this or.. $999 Apple Stand?!

[@ryanwolfe2219]

Well, you called it early, haha. Index users get HL:Alyx free if they own the headset by the end of 2019.

[@Jojo2]

@@ryanwolfe2219 wait really? That sucks. I plan on buying one later so I won't get the free title. Makes more sense to always keep it free for index users as valve would get $1,000 instead of just $60

[@ryanwolfe2219]

@@Jojo2 Well, technically it's if they own the headset or just the controllers as well. So if you have a Vive or Vive Pro, and pick up the Index Controllers (Knuckles) then you also get a copy of Alyx. Either one or both by the end of 2019 is a free copy.

[@Jojo2]

@@ryanwolfe2219 dang well I don't have a Vive pro so.

[@DiogoVKersting]

This kind of content is exactly why I'm subscribed to you channel. Great job!

[@VirtualRealityOasis]

I really appreciate the support Diogo []-)

[@rafemarshall3216]

6:18 Porsches have had frunks since the 50s

[@ImCeatra]

Any Mid-engined car too

[@Jackerekt]

I am upgrading from a rift s to a valve index and it’s coming tomorrow. I think I’ve watched every valve index unboxing video on KZbin!

[@d3fect521]

I say this once more, Mike runs the hands down best KZbin channel on probably the whole internet!

[@VirtualRealityOasis]

Cheers rahul! I appreciate the comment mate []-)

[@IdRatherNotHaveAHandleThankYou]

@Intelligence Injection while he makes a KZbin premium show and stops uploading videos on his main channel, yeah. Sure.

[@jakejakejakejakejakejake]

A wonderful summation! Thank you for being so comprehensive! :) X

[@Nerevar692]

I think I'll be getting the controllers for sure, as I already have a vive and have been following the development of them for quite a while. Maybe one day I'll get the headset but not anytime soon.

[@Pietruz3000]

I'm still on the old oculus, because of the lack of money. But it's really nice to hear your thoughts about this and love your videos. Keep up the good work!

[@demoncatmeowgi1686]

Same here , I hope one day they make a wireless rift that uses the current usb sensors , and still relies on the pc hardware to run it . The quest came close to what i wanted , TP Cast wireless adapter looked promising but has performance issues .

[@Puffycheeks]

I think, it should be available in my country... :(

[@pennylenny5]

Witch country are you from?

[@Puffycheeks]

@@pennylenny5 Australia.

[@Poogleton]

It's not even available in all of the US. It's only available in the "continental" United States, which doesn't include Alaska (where I live), though I'm pretty sure it's on the same continent. Oh well.

[@pennylenny5]

Puffycheeks oof

[@pennylenny5]

Brooke Limas oofffff

[@TheStigma]

Can't wait to see the index in action - and ya know... this channel has impressed me enough recently, so I'll sub to catch your in-depth review of it :) Keep up the good work!

[@vrforseniors9830]

Valve controllers only last about 10 minutes!!

[@DeVipurr]

Great video! I’m definitely upgrading from my oculus to the index, this is going to be the best headset/platform for a VERY long time.

[@FinePixCZ]

I pre-ordered for myself the controllers because they are just brilliant

[@damiengvideos4337]

Pre ordered an Index in the first 3min...then also pre ordered the Rift S and Quest. Might as well have them all to compare to the Vive Pro which is getting sold!

[@michno4323]

Could you send me the ones you dont like :D ?

[@damiengvideos4337]

Michno I’ll think about it 😊

[@luisrod106]

DamienG Videos! What don’t u like about the vive pro? Wanna upgrade my oculus but vive controls look like ass

[@ICGG]

Great news on a seemingly amazing headset and tech. Thanks very much! Looking forward to the unboxing!

[@VirtualRealityOasis]

Cheers Kelly! I'll be unboxing it as soon as it arrives []-)

[@ICGG]

@@VirtualRealityOasis Now if only they allowed pre-orders to Canada - would love this to be my first VR headset. I've got this idea, for my grandma, to show her the old park she used to play in back in Germany via Google Earth, as a Christmas gift. We shall see what the future holds. :)

[@Psychlych]

I got the vive for Christmas and the this came out and saw the finger tracking tech and my reaction was “Well, I want this”

[@keyo3634]

Well, you're spoiled (except of you're a grown up)

[@Psychlych]

@@keyo3634 My dad made a bet with me that if I passed the swimming test the first time he would buy me a VR headset. I won the bet, I've waited 4 years for it.

[@keyo3634]

@@Psychlych holy shit 👏👏

[@lordwarblade]

I could not pre-order but i did reserve a Steam index set, It's going to be my first VR headset and i belive it's gonna be amazing :D

[@suicidalbanananana]

You have some proper balls for getting it as your first headset, go big or go home ay? im right with you on that tho hehe, did the same a few years back with a Vive :3 Just make sure you have at least a 1080 or similar AMD card, i had 970 sli at the time because they said it 1 of those was good enough, but it kinda wasnt, swapping those out for a single 1080 helped a lot tho :P (and they're bscly saying the same recommended spec for the Index, so a 1080 should do well)

[@godguy2311]

I'm just getting into VR and holy crap this thing is expensive. I have a VR capable PC and I've been researching which one to get. The index is a very nice headset and has everything any consumer would want, but that price tag is outrageous for newcomers. I like how Mike said that Valve was targeting enthusiasts while Oculus was going more for ease of use and simplicity: I couldn't agree more with that statement. Personally I'll be getting the Rift S since I'm JUST getting into VR and well... this thing costs half my salary #college

[@RNeeko]

I'm in the same position, but I've been saving up for a long time with the intention of buying a VR set when something new comes out. Not gonna lie, it's honestly a bit more than I was willing to pay for, but it makes sense looking at what's inside of it. Just ended up biting the bullet and pray to God it'll be worth my money. The €1079 it costs is not an insignificant amount of money for me. At least I'll have something else to cry about if it's not as good as people were hoping for.

[@OheyAri]

Yep same here. Just getting into vr so I pre ordered the Rift S. Those knuckle controllers look so sick though.

[@suicidalbanananana]

As somebody beginning with VR, you made the best possible choice, you got a cheaper headset with less hassle to setup, whats not to like? :) You can always upgrade later if you end up loving VR and being able to save up for a 'more pc like' VR experience. Again, as somebody new to VR the Rift S is going to be awesome, you did well :P

[@suicidalbanananana]

@Spicy Meatball "Not really worth chucking 1k+ at the index unless you have the cash to burn, imo" hits the nail right on the head, the Valve Index is aimed at enthusiasts with a budget to spend, if your new to VR its pretty logical to think of the Index as a pricey headset, and something like a Quest or Rift S would be a much better option. And thats exactly the difference between Valve and Oculus, Valve is still going for the enthousiast (like they did with the Vive) but Oculus has started trying to pull in the general public, both are great ways forward in their own right.

[@suicidalbanananana]

@Spicy Meatball Exactly :) (for that matter i too would've loved the Index to be cheaper ofc, but to bad, and it does very much look like the hardware justifies it)

[@BULLSEYEBERRY]

Your editing and information boggle my mind. Keep killing it Mike! 🔥🔥🔥

[@gamedirection_us]

Index Controllers intrigue me because I can finally do proper ASL in games.

[@billys6027]

Valve Index will be my first headset! Very excited!

[@NamesRito]

That 120fps display will be the reason I'll sell my rift

[@TJBfilms]

same

[@memecosmos6544]

I've been waiting for this video. Glad it's out

[@VirtualRealityOasis]

Just for you Jamie []-)

[@CIinbox]

I wonder how those double lenses work. I'm upgrading from the original Vive. Bought the HMD and knuckles. The 130 degrees FoV made the deal for me.

[@ThereminHero]

Pimax 170 though. That's true next gen

[@suicidalbanananana]

@@ThereminHero Sadly the FOV is all thats next gen about a Pimax, and while this Valve Index can be considered next gen (as in, they improved every aspect, so this kinda starts generation2) it still accepts current gen hardware to run it. So if you ask me, the Valve Index actually _is_ next gen, while the Pimax was a fun (but expensive) way to look at the future of VR at best. Realistically we likely wont see such fov's again till generation 3 or 4, because its getting pretty clear that people want less screen-door-effect above anything else, and currently large fov's just means even more screendoor effect then on cheaper headsets.

[@TheClone159]

@@suicidalbanananana yeah u are right its better to make what we have better before we try and make something with bigger FOV with the same or worse screendoor effect

[@BlueOvals24]

Looks so good but the price is making me buy it piece by piece. Preordered the controllers and will probably wait until the end of the year for the HMD. My newly purchased Vive will be enough for the time being. So excited to see that NMS will support the knuckles!

[@BlueOvals24]

@@OverbiteGames Yeah the lack of modularity and less good tracking put me off on the Rift. Too bad Rift users can't experience the knuckles. The Oculus controllers don't seem too bad though, not like the Vive ones that I'm stuck with for a few months.

[@whoisclax]

Need Oculus to make their own knuckles now...

[@everettrittenhouse1466]

They're compatable from what i've seen

[@TrevorJones1]

oculus has their own knuckles. since oct 2016.

[@Nekotaku_TV]

Oculus stopped caring...

[@kyle857]

@@TrevorJones1 I have a Ride. No they don't.

[@arimcglynn9847]

Just Some Guy Ok it’s called there normal controllers are u DuMbFoUnDeD

[@SadCoffeeee]

I'm getting this as my first VR headset. Seriously can't wait!! Unfortunately I wasn't there for preorders, so they ran out before I could get my hands on one

[@luisrod106]

peter knudsen probably can buy in stores.

[@ZR-fv7cy]

I think i will buy the Rift S or the Quest because I only have a Radeon rx 580 8gb in my PC

[@baotranto5694]

The quest is wireless so if you want to use your computer just get the rift S but idk it’s up to you

[@ZR-fv7cy]

@@baotranto5694 Yeah I know but I would also enjoy to take the quest to my friends place. But the quest is as expensive as the Rift S so I don't know. I will just wait to see the game reviews.

[@oveetee9294]

Z3R0 same gpu with a ryzen 5 and 8 gigs of ram as well I’m getting a rift my self, rlly been no question for me because of the much wider field of games

[@YungDripGod]

I pray that someone develops a way to get the knuckles controllers to work on a quest💯😩

[@baronsengir187]

@@ZR-fv7cy When your Friends have gaming PCs you can still take the rift s with you

[@axphin]

Great video! I ordered just the Index controllers since I already have a Vive and Pimax 5K+. I'm really excited for Boneworks and No Man's Sky (and whatever Valve releases).

[@djhowell5273]

Little did you know that you'd be right about the half life exclusive

[@RedDotSniping]

crazy !

[@booma_]

im sooo hyped about the index looking forward to your review

[@sabykopro]

I'm wondering about how the Pimax Sword controllers are going to compete with the valve index controllers becuase they are pretty similar

[@lostecho4394]

They hopefully won't cost 300 like the knuckles do

[@vtevdo]

@@lostecho4394 Sword preorders say $300 for 2 controllers and 2 base stations.

[@lostecho4394]

@@vtevdo which is much better than the knuckles which are 300 for the controllers and another almost 300 for the basestations

[@ksawierwilczynski442]

@@vtevdo That's only the deposit and not guaranteed final price

[@vtevdo]

​@@ksawierwilczynski442 True, not guaranteed. Also, Sword and Sword Sense prices differ, so $300 may be for the Sword. Anyway, I think $300 is reasonable for the Sword bundle and $400 for the Sword Sense bundle.

[@RedRazor001]

Congrats on 100k buddy 👏👏👏👌

[@burntbacn]

I really want it, but I still need to upgrade my GPU and probably CPU. Those take priority I guess. No point spending $1000 on a vr headset I can't use

[@TheGameGuruTv]

thats what I did since the vive came out, completely new PC by now, and the time has come for me to buy a headset, you' ll get there! :D

[@sizulilight1118]

You prob need to wait next tier flagship card because 2080ti or titan wont give you that 144hz

[@burntbacn]

@@sizulilight1118 I don't care about the 144hz

[@sizulilight1118]

@@burntbacn kzbin.info/www/bejne/m5acY2iFiat1eaM

[@jaythejayzer]

I haven't pre-ordered, But I'll definitely save up for one. I'm currently a rift user

[@alanmueller2027]

Are the original vive 1.0 base stations and original vive controllers compatible with this headset? And if so, will you be able to upgrade later on?

[@VirtualRealityOasis]

Yes []-)

[@Puffycheeks]

Yes and Yes.

[@alanmueller2027]

@@VirtualRealityOasis Thanks! []-)

[@AppleJuiss]

yes and yes

[@vtevdo]

Yes. So, you can get only the headset and buy the rest later. 2.0 is backwards compatible with 1.0. However, you cannot make your original Vive headset and controllers work with 2.0 base stations, because the 2.0 base stations lack the synchronization pulse original Vive expects. Vive Pro supports 2.0.

[@ParadiseDecay]

Super guide Mike!

[@VirtualRealityOasis]

Cheers PD []-)

[@itsBrizi]

i kinda just want controllers but u make me wanna buy the whole thing lol

[@VirtualRealityOasis]

You can buy the controllers separately if you want []-)

[@carl3710]

I was able to buy my reserve yesterday (May 8th)!

[@Givy55]

Can you speak to the issue of Valve NOT shipping the Index to Canada?? This is rediculous!!

[@hangingnutsjimmy88]

canada sucks

[@ikweeEa]

Pre-ordered as soon as it hit 0, and i will continue to brag about that because many people crashed when i was able to buy the full kit and an extra basestation, but now its time to save up once again just in case something comes out in the future for the Index ;)

[@VirtualRealityOasis]

Awesome FrostPix []-)

[@FourDozenEggs]

It's a great piece of tech, it's just unfortunate that the majority of people won't be able to experience this.

[@matulostyle]

Its not, we could get headset from NASA made from pure gold and its gonna be shit as long as the current content is bad joke/trash/overpriced/demo/experience....

[@sqlevolicious]

@@matulostyle Good thing there are hundreds (literally thousands) of games and experiences well worth the price of VR these days.

[@matulostyle]

@@sqlevolicious sure, for someone even tethris in vr is a great game XD Different people, different tasties. Enjoy your thousands of great games XDDDD

[@captainmacnuckles3020]

The only channel I’ll come to for actually accurate vr news 😊👍

[@Level-ts7xl]

to everyone complaining about the 1,000$ pricetag - let's do a comparison: Valve Index HMD + Index Controllers + Base stations = 1,000$ vs one of the many ridicilously overpriced flagship smartphones out today that cost way over 1,000$, that doesn't do much more than a regular mid-range phone. which one would you choose to spend a thousand bucks on?

[@grahamsteele7907]

Good point. I kind of hate the new phones, but I still feel like it’s a bit expensive. But so are the phones

[@DillyVesper]

I wont buy I smart phone that cost over 300 euros and they last for about 4 years with daily use.

[@suicidalbanananana]

Forget comparing it to a phone, compare it to a Vive Pro, €1400 vs €1079, but the cheaper option improves everything besides resolution. LOL. Rip HTC tbh.

[@sqlevolicious]

PRAISE LORD GABEN! Index FTW! First batch pre-order status with headset, controllers, and virutallink. I'll grab LH2.0 later, my 1.0 works great. There is still a big NDA on something else about the Index, we won't know what it is and we don't know when that NDA will be lifted, so the news is not over! Crossing fingers for eye-tracking and foveated rendering. If not on the Index, then 100% for next kit.

[@thunderfire6966]

Frunk isn't just a Tesla thing. It's a term for any car with a front trunk

[@markschoch9509]

Thank you! Porsche 911 owners have been using this term before Tesla was even a thought and I'm sure they weren't the first.

[@1114bigtroy]

Ordered mine in the first 10 minutes, haven't been this excited since my vive pre order

[@cromwellthesynth]

I got an ad for lenovos vr headset at the beginning of this XD

[@hangingnutsjimmy88]

ad block

[@Blazah99]

This would be my first VR headset. I tried a prototype occulas rift at a convention back in the day, it was awesome. I tried VR back in the 90s at an arcade which was super cool then too. I hope this brings either or both of those experiences back with the level of immersion.

[@johnekopy]

It's the best and the best is never the cheapest.

[@danielvelkovski3156]

Wouldn’t the XTAL be the best?

[@johnekopy]

@@danielvelkovski3156 Don't know much about that headset other than it's about $6000.

[@danielvelkovski3156]

John kopy yeah price is beyond depressing but visually looks amazing. Now Im like ehh playing my odyssey plus haha. kzbin.info/www/bejne/i6GzipKOg9WhZpo

[@charlzoid]

I really like the idea with the controllers like the way you can let go

[@VirtualRealityOasis]

Yeah, I've never tried them so I'm excited to finally give them a go []-)

[@Fratm]

Keeping my vive, but I did order the knuckles.

[@MrRourk]

I bought the $1000 kit but sold the headset and Lighthouses on eBay for $1100. Just waiting now :)

[@suicidalbanananana]

@@MrRourk Holy crap how lol, was it a Vive Pro? either way you did great haha, im jealous :P

[@TheClone159]

same here i already own HTC Vive so dont want to spend 1k on a new set

[@owaing]

@@suicidalbanananana I think he means he bought the Index full kit, but sold the Index headset and lighthouses on eBay for $1100, meaning he's left with free knuckles controllers and a $100 profit.

[@PE19x15]

Great info I reserved my full set, hope to get the steam mail to buy soon.

[@AustenHilton]

Probably gonna get the quest them build a computer and buy the index maybe around Christmas time

[@thegameguy208]

exactly my hope as well gotta start goin ham overtime

[@m0rph3u5.]

I've been waiting for the ultimate PC VR since I got my PSVR, skipped HTC Vive which I loved everything about it apart from the controllers, something that I loved about rift (but hated the sensords set up and SDE), so skipped 1st gen VR. Original plan was Vive pro + Valve knuckles, until Valve announced their ultimate package. So glad I waited and managed to get my preorder (soldout within less than 2-3 hours in the UK).. Nice top btw :)

[@jnbernard]

2:00 - John Snow does VR

[@Neil3D]

Upgrading from the original day 1 Vive but keeping the 1.0 lighthouses, I don't see any compelling reason to get the 2.0 stations

[@bobaninja7522]

Same!

[@sqlevolicious]

Only if you have a massive room, lol

[@Jay-vf8ue]

Everything you need to know: *you can’t afford it*

[@St1ngerGuy]

I'll be buying two of these bad boys cuz my son has to have one to play along with me.

[@get2choppa]

I can. Just don’t care about it

[@doc-holliday-]

@@get2choppa Is that why you clicked on the video about VR and then left a comment?

[@get2choppa]

Doc Holliday just learning about vr offerings. Nice try in trying to be an a hole though

[@doc-holliday-]

@@get2choppa "I dont care about it" "I'm trying to learn!" So you do care. Not my fault you're a dumb ass. Blame your parents for that one.

[@pinoepelzockt7460]

best valve index info video so far imho

[@aerith784]

I hope Valve Index will be sold in my country for reasonable price.. P.s. Each VR headset is $300 more expensive in my country :( so Index will be $1300 at least ;(

[@suicidalbanananana]

Idk what headset you're comparing too, but it has to be said that the Valve Index appears to be the first headset thats sold at a 1on1 price conversion, while companies like HTC shamelessly add a few extra 100 quid on the price 'because reasons', you can actually do the maths and figure out that the price they charge for a Valve Index in the US is the exact same as the price they charge for a Valve Index in Europe, the only reason there appears to be a price difference is because in the US they never show taxes on product prices, but in the EU they always do, once you include taxes on the US price, prices are 1on1 the same. A full Valve Index kit is €1079 in Europe, which is reasonable when you consider the Vive Pro costs €1400 in Europe, and the Valve Index hardware is a LOT more up-to-date compared to the Vive Pro that was just a resolution boost for a ridiculous price. Oh and a Vive pro headset costs €999 but a Valve Index costs 'only' €539, so yea, the Valve Index is definitely more reasonably priced

[@lupsik1]

suicidal.banana I never understand why USA skips the tax in prices displayed online. Like... just why lmao

[@larperdixon723]

love the vid. thanks for the info, my dude!

[@ignoredpie6083]

Index:144hz Oculus:90hz My Oculus running on a 1050ti:20fps Nice

[@Kate-Tea]

Matthew Glennon I know how that feels, I just upgraded tho and it makes a HUGE difference, definately invest in a new gpu if you can😁

[@ignoredpie6083]

Ocealot P I was certainly thinking of upgrading, but i put it off as i really (for some reason) dont really notice frame issues in vr until about 20 ish, most of the time (on vrchat, the only one with an fps counter) im on 30-40, but i suppose i should upgrade, bit of a wast not to... may i ask, what gpu did you have and what did you upgrade to?

[@kamillatocha]

true i got 1060 and cant hit 90 fps on most games

[@kamillatocha]

@@ignoredpie6083 also i think for vrchat u would need a stronger cpu then gpu but check your task manager what is taking 100% for me cpu sits on 80 and gpu at 30-60%

[@Aldorthemerry]

I found that time lapse of the factory soo satisfying and I’m not sure why