Valve's Lawsuit Just Got Worse

[@jetstreameboue9943]

Valve also was in legal trouble just before the release of hl 2 according to their recent documentary, so this time the only logical explanation is that we are getting hl 3 soon.

[@EnderNova]

the lawsuit wasn't going well for them, idk i cant remember the langage the documents were but an intern talking that langage got into the documents and found out vivendi was destroying evidence regarding valve, big brain move

[@Bri-MAIN]

Well, we already know they're developing HLX

[@EnderNova]

@@Bri-MAIN AND IM SO HERE FOR IT!!!! half life is my childhood, my forever game, the thing that made me a gamer to this date next to GTA. I was so devastated after they said HL3 was canceled back then but when i found somewhere in mars some files while datamining looking like something close to HL3 i lost it.

[@gary.420]

Half life 3 confirmed

[@MFZealot]

cope

[@petabyt]

Valve: open sources a bunch of stuff and releases great hardware you can install any OS/store on Nintendo: DMCA everything, sue emulators and modders, release locked down hardware And which one is getting lawsuits for being unfair?

[@electric26]

This!!!

[@summergamer7650]

Ikr? Valve getting sued for being anticompetitive despite companies like Epic and Sony existing for the sole purpose to buy companies and make them software/hardware exclusive is literally the most twisted logic.

[@hcolider2817]

@@summergamer7650 A lot of economics is centered around what "team" (mafia) you're a part of, and if you're towing the line for their goals and narratives. If you're in the way and they can get away with targetting you, then they will

[@arkthur0959]

Nintendo has been sued for patents because of the wii u, the shit quality of joy cons and more wdym

[@TaylorMorgan-y2z]

@@hcolider2817 So, really, the dominant billionaire corporation with the superyachts is the David here, and the small indie dev is the Goliath?

[@theemeraldsandbox5534]

Went in learning about this whole lawsuit against Valve nonsense. Came out learning Fortnite added skibidi toilet.

[@estosuhca9948]

W collaboration 🗿🗿🗿

[@GRgregor]

💀 we‘re cooked

[@Shy_Abi]

The camera men might look cool and all but like why?

[@kentreed00]

​@@Shy_AbiBecause they know their audience.

[@derthevaporeon]

Epic Games taking advantage of the situation

[@elite_pro_br]

Honestly majority of the shops ask for 20% - 30% fees And i dont see any lawsuits against those other shops, clearly persecution against valve

[@gordonfreeman1163]

Quod licet Iovi, non licet bovi (c)

[@lifelesshawk5725]

Apple (iPhone), Xbox, PlayStation, Nintendo and many many more have this exact fee With those 4 you Only have the option of using their services, where you can use Uplay, Orgins, GoG, and the Epic games Store The only reason why valve has market dominance, besides being there first, is that they offer a better service than anything else available. They are the best because they treat the customer with dignity, and there are times that they should’ve been better, like the refunding situation or paid mods. But you can’t tell me that a new digital games store that gives away a free game every month for several years now, and has lower fees can exist and people still choose Steam over it. Valve just has every feature that you’d want from it, from game recording, guides, a large list of titles, a trading system, cloud saving, vr, and a very comprehensive controller support which includes many other controllers made by their competitors, and Easy Modding support. All of these large AAA companies have all made their own launchers, and one by one they have all made their way back to steam, because it more convenient for them and the customer to use a preexisting store with its own servers that help with sending extremely large game files over the internet than to try to maintain their own and keep that extra 30 percent for themselves.

[@CeceNomad]

What about twitch taking 50% from creator revenue

[@snintendog]

@@CeceNomad or EPIC taking 50% their 10% is before the hidden fees.

[@bionicseaserpent]

imagine its Epic trying to start this shit so they try to kill off their competition. sounds exactly like something they would do

[@tarnishedhunter222]

Sounds exactly like that’s what’s happening

[@rabentante]

The politician targeting them gets money from Disney, which owns Epic Games.

[@tarnishedhunter222]

@@rabentante exactly I wouldn’t be surprised if a lot of the people suing them are like that in some way

[@frontrider3240]

@@rabentante That is the real reason. Epic failed to compete with free games, and now Steam OS for PC is on the horizon targeting windows marketshare (you can't run spyware on linux like you can on windows)

[@youhavetoguessit]

They would. I refuse to buy anything from epic because of their practices.

[@xanderplayz3446]

A new game, a new lawsuit.

[@chereshenkovm]

The chamber of secrets is open again

[@astro837]

Another day, another dollar

[@Mi_Fa_Volare]

This is what jury court encourages.

[@Jingleswest]

They’re just mad he’s surpassed every aspect of the tech industry.

[@TouchyWouchy]

for real

[@DenzNoble]

🧃 getting mad and more controlling over a w success 😂

[@RYRY1002]

He (capital H as in god) = GabeN

[@No0ne._.]

It is absolutely hilarious how steam is so universally loved that we all want this lawsuit to go Valve's way. No other multi-billion dollar company is treated like that.

[@nexus3756]

No other multi billion dollar company does so much better than its competition that its embarrassing either tbf. If Valve loses money I'll just buy more games on steam.

[@snintendog]

@@nexus3756 Epic still doesnt have scroll bars.

[@GabrielVilanova-n3p]

Nintendo is treated like that, by Nintendo fanboys.

[@turkishultranationalist]

No we dont

[@snintendog]

@@turkishultranationalist account created yesterday.. HMMMMMMMMMM

[@Dawsondive]

Only in America can such bullshit lawsuits even be entertained. … If a game is really good and i want to play it, i will find it. If it’s not on steam, i will find it elsewhere and play it. Wtf is this lawsuit. Don’t put your games on the platform if you don’t like what they charge. Seems simple

[@Armm8991]

I don't think it's simple. They have a monopoly, even if it's all built on making sure the costumers are happy and trust valve. Going for a different store is just not viable for a lot of devs and publishers. Even big names like sony know it's not viable to release outside of steam. I think valve just needs to give up on the 30% and give people a break. They're rich enough.

[@lukebelvin4900]

In other countries you get thrown in prison for a tweet (like Britain) 😂

[@hk_asa0pvp]

@@Armm8991 its that simple tho non steam games are still selling like hotcakes, this whole lawsuit is just bs. ik valve is a multi billion dollar company though its their place to do what they want if they were that bad the million of consumers would end up somewhere, but they chose to stay i wonder why? 🤔

[@thetikijam]

​@@lukebelvin4900Not funny

[@lukebelvin4900]

@@thetikijam but kind of funny

[@zapcat6029]

If steam is a monopoly then what are they supposed to do? Become a worse service? Devs and consumers go to steam because its the best option, not because they are forced to. Epic games literally pays devs to have games stay exclusive on their platform for some time and thats not a problem?

[@KeepAnOpenMind]

Isn’t that what is called a bribe?

[@EnderNova]

@@zapcat6029 i guess epic has better layers or......they bribe to not get sued lol

[@TaylorMorgan-y2z]

Valve is supposed to obey the law and allow developers to charge lower prices for non-Steam-key sales on cheaper stores (or for DRM-free direct sales) if they want to.

[@zapcat6029]

@@TaylorMorgan-y2z I may be misinformed on this but I'm pretty sure they do, the price is only required to be the same if it's a steam key

[@justabulletjustaboxofammo3817]

​@@TaylorMorgan-y2z i see u going around in comments and replying

[@anthonyguerrero4612]

This isn't good they're jumping Valve from different sides at this point. Hope all their Steam sales are able to cover the cost of this nonsense.

[@TheDragonfriday]

Vavle able to afford they worth so much money steam is there endless money maker

[@melonelon7590]

You can help them by buying games in Steam. Hopefully this disaster will end eventually.

[@jakobfel]

I recently did my part by buying the 1TB Steam Deck, and I'll be buying some stuff on the Christmas sale as well. These fools can keep doing this nonsense all they want, it's just going to make us want to support Valve all the more and never give the plaintiffs a single cent.

[@me67galaxylife]

They got more than enough money but i don’t know if this is enough for corrupt politicians

[@XioJN]

@@melonelon7590 I don't want any of my money going to slimy lawyers that pretend they care about us

[@GRgregor]

Im not the type of guy that defends companies that make billions per year but Valve...they have a special place in my heart. They care about the consumers and they care about their works (mostly). They push video games forward. Celebrate and improve their 20-25 year old games and re-releasing them for free (wich is something I've never seen someone else do).

[@EnderNova]

the thing valve does better then anyone else is that they don't work for profit as much as others, they work for innovation

[@Bri-MAIN]

They also still update the older games (like the steampipe update for the goldsrc games)

[@zerotheero]

>Celebrate and improve their 20-25 year old games and re-releasing them for free id software did that with Doom and Quake. twice even, in Doom's case.

[@GRgregor]

@@zerotheero nice

[@oiytd5wugho]

"caring about consumers" is a byproduct of being a private company, not some sign of benevolence. All companies want money, Valve is in a unique position of not having a boardroom telling them to shoot themselves in the foot for short-term profit. There is a LOT to criticize Valve on that I won't get into here, but one of their biggest successes was somehow convincing consumers that valve "cares about gamers", that brand loyalty is an insane revenue generator and you can see it in at least half of these comments. They got y'all good

[@joeyspillum6]

Sounds like some devs are gonna get boycotted

[@roskobiwan]

Lol. Lets go! Gang gang.

[@elliottharrisonellbot2814]

No Half Life 3 😢

[@oldladmanmp4]

It’s sad because I really liked wolfire games but if this is what they’re doing I don’t want to support them

[@TaylorMorgan-y2z]

@@oldladmanmp4 Honestly it looks like they are in the right here -- Valve has no right to prevent Wolfire from charging less for direct DRM-free sales of their own game on their own website.

[@imigratingbox]

​​@@TaylorMorgan-y2zthey can change the price on steam instead to comply. Or remove their game off steam if they dont like steam, they could upload on epic or Gog

[@pana.alexandru]

"This is how you turn a good man into a villain."

[@chereshenkovm]

Yeah, as a consumer, I am so angry that all my games are in one very conviniet and compact app, where I can also chat with friends, sell the items I buy to other people and also can read reviews. I am so angry, rawr

[@leventekocsis9103]

rawr :3

[@jz05028]

Angy

[@KugelWasHere]

rawr

[@pud_aa1985]

gotta hate these people

[@SnivTen]

legit

[@TaylorMorgan-y2z]

So developers, and customers? The two groups that are collectively all suing Valve for banning lower prices on cheaper stores?

[@Razzak18Cz]

@@TaylorMorgan-y2z Valve wants only one thing when it comes to prices, make them all equal across all stores. If a developer cries that it hurts the customer, then it only makes sense that actually the developer feels hurt. They dont care about customers. Thats just a pretense to be mad about something.

[@chereshenkovm]

@@TaylorMorgan-y2z even if the case come through, the devs will place the same price as before. So for consumer it will be no affect

[@ChocoRainbowCorn]

Those complaining about fees and monopoly/"anti-competitive" practices? Sure. Those who demand proper platform moderation? Hell no - Applaud to those instead, as opposed to people who are kinda just braindead here, always desensitized to problems and defending them with their lives.

[@JackMDerksema]

This is stupid. I hate people. Valve did nothing and doesn't deserve this!

[@yeetrreet2453]

such bs, this lawsuit is

[@GrooveBot766]

Yoda?

[@war_fish]

wise words, you said

[@fbi2116]

speaking the truth, you are.

[@nervehammer1]

spitting fax, he is.

[@ChocoRainbowCorn]

Fees and being a monopoly or "anti-competitive" sure is - On the other hand, the moderation thing is about the best thing to happen in probably two decades by now, so that needs to be lifted enough to the point where Valve can't just ignore it. Unless you are dumb and desensitized enough to what's happening and why it _should_ be dealt with, like many are.

[@kitsune7919]

How come people don't speak up about Sony's or Microsoft's fees, I don't wanna sound like a shizo but it feels like there an agenda to cause trouble for companies that try to do good by their consumers and devs.

[@TheDragonfriday]

You forget apple also with there apple store remember when they did with Fortnight

[@AJ-po6up]

Google also charges 30% on their App store, to me this has Epic written all over it.

[@KeepAnOpenMind]

Yes! Going that path, we can safely say that Sony is the monopoly seller of the play station games which is bad! Same with Xbox and Microsoft, Nintendo. Punish all of them. After that, please proceed to punishing epic games, Ubisoft and others.

[@GabrielVilanova-n3p]

Google is also surfing on the anti-trust trend... but you're right. That Senator receives money from Disney which owns Epic and iirc has some investiments in there as well... go figure. Epic couldn't buy off gamers with free stuff so they'd resort to such low tactics. There'll be blow back.

[@AJ-po6up]

@@KeepAnOpenMind Yeah that's never going to happen, this is all just to go after Valve. Even if this somehow gets anywhere those other companies will not be affected, especially Epic games that's definitely behind this whole thing. This is not about "justice" this is about going after a competitor. I think that if you make a console you have the right to be the sole seller of products in your device but what's even more ironic is that Valve doesn't even do that on the Steam Deck where you can even install other stores if they support Linux or can make them work with Wine, you can also install Windows.

[@GT7776]

How can we help Valve? What can we do to support them?

[@justaguyontheinternet6779]

Literally just spend your money on Valve, I don’t think they will need a gofundme lol

[@EnderNova]

saw the 100, then realised its worth 0.017 USD lol

[@watercs]

Hello, first, thank you for your support. If you want to help Valve make sure to not join any of the lawsuits, but just using Steam and playing there games I’m sure is enough for them. Thanks once again

[@GJ-gh2ik]

Some kind of petition “Hands off Valve” or something like that, with influencers support and hashtags maybe will help idk

[@EnderNova]

@@GJ-gh2ik i dont think that kimd of things can change the point of view of court and judges. Even if it can help moraly with motivation and support, it cannot help the lawsuit itself.

[@jamesrussell2936]

This really sounds like, at first-glance at least, just people connected to Valve's competitors suing to take Steam down a few pegs so that other digital PC game stores (like Epic, Ubisoft, EA, etc) can potentially get a higher share in the market? Although, if that were the case, why wouldn't they just sue themselves? There's clearly something very fishy about this. What's the _real_ motiviation?

[@aquiles846]

maybe blackrock is mad becauset they cant own them because they are a private company

[@AJ-po6up]

Definitely Epic, Blackrock, Vanguard and other competitors are behind this, this is not grass roots at all, the "coincidental" involvement with perfect timing of that senator who just so happens to own shares in Epic Games and is all about that Blackrock life definitely proves it. Maybe the goal is to force Gabe to sell Valve or make it go public, especially if money starts to run dry at some point due to lower revenue from a lower % cut. Unlike Epic Valve doesn't have a game engine used by everyone that they can make tons of money off or something in the same scale as Fortnite. And no Source 1/2 and Counter-Strike/Dota are not in that league.

[@NitroNinja324]

@@AJ-po6up Hey, maybe HL3 will bring a new engine to the market. Wishful thinking, I know.

[@cheeseman670]

*MUNEH…*

[@war_fish]

main argument is that valve is ""doing"" anti-competitive moves on steam. i dont think offering the best service is anti-competitive

[@Rashomon20s]

I don’t know about the Dev side of things, but I feel Valve is reaching far more good for consumers than most companies out there ever would. I mean like, didn’t Sony recently blacklist entire countries from accessing their games after adding some bs log-in gates across the board? HOW IS THAT PROSUMER OR OK? Better late than never to learn this stuff. gaming or not.

[@TheDragonfriday]

After they remove the requirements the force login on pc people from those countries that ban ps accounts still unable to play it even though when it not requirements

[@melonelon7590]

@@TheDragonfriday They remove the requirements to force login PSN account on steam "FOR NOW".

[@snintendog]

@@TheDragonfriday They already Reimplemnted it on Single player games

[@TechnoL33T]

Valve is doing dramatically more to promote platform independence than literally any other company I've ever heard of. These companies aren't going after them for there being any issue with the standard fee. These companies are a front for the major tech companies in the world who want to make sure Linux does not become mainstream. Also FFS, no other platform provides even a small fraction of the features Steam has. Steam is an absolutely incredible value addition, and anyone complaining just wants something for nothing.

[@TaylorMorgan-y2z]

You're right that these lawsuits are not about their 30% fee -- they're about Valve threatening developers who try to pass the savings from lower fees onto customers through lower prices for non-Steam versions of their games.

[@Tracks2008]

@@TaylorMorgan-y2z Lies it is exactly what the original commentor said.

[@TaylorMorgan-y2z]

@@Tracks2008 Can you support that with anything? It looks like unfounded speculation to me, while the lawsuits clearly have enough hard evidence to proceed in court.

[@Tracks2008]

@@TaylorMorgan-y2z No they really don't except with a clearly biased Judge. Valve doesn't stop anyone from going anywhere else. If they want to go with someone else they are free to do so and there is plenty of competition. All they need to do is get their act together and have a functional game store.

[@TaylorMorgan-y2z]

@@Tracks2008 Sure, but the lawsuit is still about Valve threatening to ban Wolfire for passing savings from lower commissions on to customers through lower prices. It has nothing to do with any of what you just said, and certainly nothing to do with 'making sure Linux does not become mainstream'.

[@DebasedAnon]

I think people should get together and do a mass email campaign to send Valve first hand testimonials from their customers of how excellent their services are and how barren all the others are in comparison. Giving them money is fine and dandy but they'd benefit from testimonials much more in this situation.

[@ThisIsGlitch]

Sounds like a good idea

[@Stinky0368]

Cuh I just want half life 3 let the old ass guy do his fucking job 💀

[@Thedevil_cursedwizrd]

With every lawsuit, there’s always a half-life

[@gustavodutra3633]

It's a sign... That it's close... ​@Thedevil_cursedwizrd

[@ozalduin4383]

"We can't provide a proper service so lets attack the one that actually does!"

[@winkystinky]

"drake vs Valve corp." drake really be beefin with anyone these days

[@ThisIsGlitch]

😂😂

[@drake52]

as someone named drake I completely disagree with this drakes actions.

[@winkystinky]

@@drake52 fair descisioj

[@tarnishedhunter222]

These lawsuits are from people who are invested in valve’s competitors being mad that they can’t stop Steam from winning

[@mrsgtshepardxd6193]

I wouldn't be surprised if EA was involved in this somehow.

[@Spaaaceee]

There are so many shady companies. A lawsuit against Valve seems unnecessary, they are just providing a good service for customers, thats it. Steam is not forcing anyone to stay on steam like epic.

[@four-en-tee]

I have my gripes with Valve, but the 30% fee isn't one of them. The only thing i'd ask for as a consumer is non-DRM installs for my library, but beyond that, Steam is still the best gaming service in the industry. Hell, i'm pretty sure DRM is optional for non-Valve games anyhow. Isn't it on a per-publisher basis? Regardless, I figure if we want to support Valve, we should just make ourselves heard on social media and keep supporting Steam and the publishers who release games on there. Both Valve and GOG are without a doubt some of the greatest things to come out of modern gaming. Easily the best gaming platforms in 2024, you can't go wrong with either.

[@TaylorMorgan-y2z]

These cases all started when Valve threatened to ban Wolfire from selling DRM-free copies of their games (with no connection to Steam) at a lower price from their own website, to reflect the absence of the 30% cut. In their own emails that they were compelled to produce, they revealed that they were trained to enforce price parity across the entire PC ecosystem, Steam keys or no. I don't see how Valve is the good guy here.

[@VinVonVoom]

Ubisoft goes Steamworks bye bye, always on DRM

[@demivideos8887]

@@TaylorMorgan-y2z do you have a source that it included cases where they werent using steam keys?

[@snintendog]

@@TaylorMorgan-y2z NO those were STEAM KEYS We already have it Documented that they did sell STEAM KEYS at that price from their site. This is what kicked it all off They by passed Steam to sell ON STEAM. This isnt like selling on Humble or anything else they even under cut HUMBLE BUNDLE. AND GOG. Wolforhire are scam artists anyway They revoked those keys they sold on their site FURTHER pissing off Steam.

[@TaylorMorgan-y2z]

@@demivideos8887 My comments including the source or even instructions on how to get to it keep getting deleted somehow. I wonder if this one will too.

[@w0oDw0w]

I simply dont understand how having a high cut makes a company a monopolist. Shouldnt it be the other way at the very least? Why would anyone choose high cut instead of low? American laws are tough for outsiders I guess

[@KeepAnOpenMind]

The US is a country of lawyers. Whoever has the best lawyers, - wins. Do you remember the movie called “interstate 60” or something like that? You might want to have fun in the evening and watch it again.

[@Chowder908]

Sounds like a bunch devs who made bad games upset their bad games didn't make them money

[@godkekliveshere431]

tell me how did catly managed not only to bypass every new steam law this year but also, madge to win the game awards with a trailer only. yup just like HL3 at least catly has a trailer but 0 game.

[@Chowder908]

@godkekliveshere431 the same reason other shit games are on steam nobody cares about them. Winning a game aware show in this day and age means absolutely nothing considering games no one cares about wins.

[@samathythemanathy8112]

Valve is the ONE corporation that is actively carrying it's respective industry through innovation and goodwill. I have heard people banging on about the 30% cut for YEARS, but everyone seems to forget just how powerful Steam is, and how incredibly useful it is to consumers and developers alike. I get it, its a big cut, but can you name a single company that has done half the amount of work AND charges LESS? Valve better be raking in the big bucks - they deserve it. I'm going to boycott these companies.

[@iNdepDev]

Okay I'm gonna sue youtube because I think KZbin is in monopoly and KZbin premium is too expensive.

[@godkekliveshere431]

but YT is the best platform ever.

[@Codyslx]

KZbin has pretty large competition in the entertainment media. Kik, twitch, tick tock, instagram etc.

[@gvidobarscausks9272]

Devs need to stop crying about 30% fees. Dont like it? go and sell on another platform, Steam has made it so easy, and Valve can do anything with Steam, like any company can.

[@Tracks2008]

Besides most other similar online game stores charge the same.

[@TunafishN7]

If valve is monopoly there wouldnt be Ubishit app, origin, gog and epic. what the fvk r they on about. Valve just does it best that's all

[@Tracks2008]

Exactly. Valve is not a monopoly with their Steam Store.

[@Codyslx]

Monopoly doesn't imply lack of competition, just the implication of large market power and difficulty for emerging competition to compete. To say steam dominates pc gaming is not an under statement.

[@Tracks2008]

@@Codyslx All anyone has to do is open a good game store. That is why Steam is more popular than Microsoft's game store, Epic's game store or Ubisoft's game store.

[@jimbob3255]

Valve: *does things the consumers want.* These dorks: That’s very anti competitive!

[@Coccyx69]

Whats hurting competition is all those crappy launchers that are 10+ years behind steam. Like maybe if your launcher had more features other than a required internet connection you would have more customers.

[@mr.whiskers4053]

In classic Valve fashion, they will do nothing and win as their competition can't stop shooting themselves in the foot.

[@Snavels]

They're trying everything to keep HL3 from coming out 😭🙏

[@mrsgtshepardxd6193]

They dont want you to be happy

[@memeguy1017]

Why everybody suing santa😢

[@gordonfreeman1163]

Attention seeking

[@KeirosDragon]

Epic Games/Tim Sweeney trying to kill competition. Remember, the lawyer spearheading this invested millions in Epic.

[@gordonfreeman1163]

@@KeirosDragon also the senator who pushed the ADL report is affiliated with Epic Games

[@Teacup44]

@@KeirosDragon "kill competition" implies Epic is anywhere near the quality of Valve

[@TaylorMorgan-y2z]

@@KeirosDragon Do you have a source for this or did you just make this up?

[@SD-R_IC-0nSimp]

I hope valve wins the lawsuit. We need half life 3 to release.

[@nebylicza]

Devs crying over 30% fees while before Steam you’d get way less sales and way less % from those sales. Steam single-handedly saved PC gaming while everyone was already burying it due to piracy.

[@godkekliveshere431]

if you land lord ask you to pay him 50% tax are you going to pay him..

[@godkekliveshere431]

epic only ask 12% ichio - its optional and i can determine how much i want to pay. the 30% only goes for Console publishers

[@nebylicza]

@ false analogy

[@nebylicza]

@ Epic does it to acquire market share and is still losing money. No reason to assume they’ll keep the 12% if they get enough market share. As per ruling on Wolfire v Valve: “others who charge less have failed, even though they had significant resources at their disposal”. Before Valve you’d sell 10000 units and get 5-30% of the money. With Steam you sell a million units and get 70%. It’s fair.

[@tvpigy9290]

If valve looses this case, let’s all agree we won’t buy games from the game devs that joined in on the lawsuit

[@shallmow]

3:17 What beef does Drake have with Valve? Did Gabe listen to "Not like us"?

[@TheChayxxx]

Crazy how this is anticompetetive, yet valve isnt the only company in the world to charge service fees. And Here i thought we would finally get the steam store cleaned up of all that 800$ not a real game garbage. Also i can count a handful of companies in other sectors that are clearly anticompetetive and monopolistic but wtf do i know

[@snintendog]

let them have their 800$ games no one will buy them after all.

[@pow_dunx]

Studios that complain about distribution fees have clearly never distributed software. It’s insanely complicated and continuously expensive - that’s why studios rely on publishers to handle the marketing and distribution of their games - because it requires way more infrastructure than any game studio (other than Valve and Epic) can sustain

[@Velossitee]

Are they really gamers if they are trying to sue Valve of all people though? Let's be real here.

[@snintendog]

Guarnteee all these "gamers" are bot accounts.

[@TheRoadstr]

"Demons run when a good man goes to war." -Doctor Who, 2011

[@killer7672]

and who knows those developers? XDD

[@gordonfreeman1163]

The only thing I know about Wolfire is that they had a skill issue, nobody bought their game, and they blamed it on Valve

[@ThisIsGlitch]

Dark catt, no idea, but wolfire, yeah, they were quite good devs, made pretty interesting and unique games, they didn't see huge success but also weren't complete failures, i don't know what would take them to do something like this...

[@mr_sauce_cooks]

​@@ThisIsGlitchsensitivity that's what

[@thewoodpeckers655]

I have never seen more money hungry, baseless lawsuits that claim to be to benefit consumers. Valve is rich, and they all see a gap in their policies just big enough to make themselves rich. They all claim that Valve has been harming consumers or the industry, but I’m worried that these might genuinely hurt Valve(albeit temporarily) and thus hurt the game industry as well.

[@900McNuggets]

WE JUST WANT HALF LIFE 3 NOOOOO

[@kristoffer2stories61]

Don't worry with every lawsuit there is a Half Life game

[@Cult_Of_The_fish]

in my opinion i think steam has more then enough fetures for game devs and consumers to justify, like the commounity section with the ability to discuss what's good and bad about the game and that can help devolpers find bugs and or make the game better. As well as steam workshop for esay and safe mods and the abbilty to have friends added and even call and text them and screen shots and recording now plus many other fetures for the consumers. But for the devs you have things like the steam servers as well as a steam surport team that cna help you with most problems with your game. TLDR steam has lots of fetures that are convenient for the consumer and the game devs as most of the devoplers i know also agree with this

[@hk_asa0pvp]

lazy narcissists devs dont need those they want to see number grow up

[@TaylorMorgan-y2z]

These features are exactly why it makes sense for developers to charge lower prices for versions of their games without those features.

[@diex40]

Steam is one of the only reasons we have gaming on Linux so ya with the stuff they are working on they can take the 30% all they want. Im glad to fund them.

[@godkekliveshere431]

ichio has Linux format games you video game / Linux posers. ichio is 100 times more pro Linux over freaking steam and valve he only cared about Linux after he start selling theme the steam deck

[@Vadu-r3l]

@@godkekliveshere431 Is itch io made their own Os which run games better than windows? Are itch creators should make a version specialy for linux? Are itch create a Proton to run games made for windows on Linux?

[@LordMarchewka]

Customers: actually enjoying a service. Predatory corpos and senators: OH NO WE CAN'T HAVE THAT ANARCHY NOW CAN WE?

[@VirtualRyders]

How could we, as gamers, help to stop these lawsuits and just leave our game alone?

[@mpo48]

Violence

[@Flint692]

@@mpo48couldn’t agree more ngl

[@snintendog]

@@mpo48 Lets first start with Wolfire games.

[@Cinarbayramic]

Thats not fair, steam provides more than triple the services such as epic games give to their users and devs, if they lowered their fees then they would need to shut down some services like remote play etc.

[@TaylorMorgan-y2z]

Pretty sure Gabe could just stop growing his superyacht fleet and they'd be fine. There is clearly a huge profit margin that could be reduced with no effect on Steam.

[@ivanaul6064]

3:05 One thing

[@stockimagethumbsup]

I dont know why It doesn't even matter how hard you try

[@Pitiplwuf]

Keep that in mind I designe this rhyme to explain in due time

[@Pitiplwuf]

*all I know* Time is a valuable thing

[@Pitiplwuf]

Watch it fly by as the pandulem swings

[@KeepAnOpenMind]

Now this looks like a job for me

[@treonia]

Sue Epic Games instead! Stop their exclusivity BS.

[@TheManInTheMirrorVT]

homie gaming companies have been getting exlusive games for literal decades, That (sadly) wont ever stop being a thing

[@snintendog]

@@TheManInTheMirrorVT Same platform SOFTWARE exclusives have only existed since EPIC.

[@TheManInTheMirrorVT]

@@snintendog Oh yeah Platform wise totally correct! I just see it since they're competitors, Its like PS and Xbox. My Misunderstanding!

[@V-95K]

Valve needs to leave USA at this point

[@rainbowdash3419]

Yea good idea, let’s tell Valve to move away from USA even tho they will lose lots of money if they try to do that.

[@JeremyMallek]

just realized that games look more pixelated when you arent actually playing. anyone else notice this?

[@lifeland9004]

might be due to being recorded at a lower size than when you're playing.

[@TheDragonfriday]

It must be your screen or whatever your using that is low pixels at the time

[@V-95K]

KZbin compression

[@JeremyMallek]

@@V-95K yes for sure forgot abt that

[@JeremyMallek]

@@TheDragonfriday nah its a small 1440p display its pretty pixel dense

[@SNDNC_KID]

8:19 bro valves response is half life 3, no wonder they are hiring devs and shit trying to soften the impact. they are goin to milk the franchise now expect a hl game every 3 years

[@Flint692]

yay

[@89alcatraz89]

I feel that this is biting hand that feeds you the only action I've heard of from valave that could be worth investigation is forcing developers to match steam price of their games on all other platforms regardless of it being steam key or not

[@TaylorMorgan-y2z]

That is exactly what all of these lawsuits are about.

[@snintendog]

Except they DONT do that. GOG prices are different and Valve doesn't enforce prices to equate to steam. Seeling STEAM KEYS at higher and lower prices to UNDER CUT STEAM AND SCAM THE CUSTOMER IS.

[@TaylorMorgan-y2z]

@@snintendog This is a common misunderstanding. The price parity extends beyond Steam keys, which is why the case exists at all. Valve prevented Wolfire from charging lower prices for DRM-free direct sales on their own website.

[@sperzieb00n]

i really really like steam as a consumer, though people shouldn't forget the hats and knifes gambling debacle was a also a thing, valve isn't perfect despite the cult status of gabe.

[@FR4M3Sharma]

Just wanted to put this here as well in case my previous reply to someone went off the radar : > Valve cares about consumers. Look up what Valve was doing before and after a Lawsuit was slapped on them for enabling and profitng off of the Gambling in CS-GO/2 's Inventory. They were aware of how much money they were making from that even though it was Kids and Young adults who were gambling. They didn't do anything about the Gambling problem that was set on fire by the 3rd party gambling sites up until a Lawsuit was put on them that would've cost them triple digit I the millions. There is a KZbinr who made a video on this and said a friend of his lost his life to gambling in CSGO. (I forgot his channel, I'll add it if I can find it again) Now even CoffeeZilla is covering that because some dum dum on a specific casino's side tried to bribe him for making a video on how they're the good guys. TL:DR is Valve aren't the saints you think the are. They are just less scummy than the rest of the Corpos and in the end they are one just like the others.

[@snintendog]

So brave of you to post fake news.

[@BitTheByte]

Okay? But what does this have to do with valve being anti competitive? Hint: it doesn’t

[@xallehatesshorts]

If there's a lawsuit Valve should be involved with is a lawsuit with epic because of the skibidi toilet backpack. That shit is made only with half life 2 assets and you're telling me Epic has the right to make a backpack out of it?

[@tobythepotato99]

They really shouldn't have gone with the '' yeah bring it on! we will take you on! BRING IT '' choicecus this is... insane xD

[@Jimmy_Drone]

Surely valve could just say well go use a different distribution then. So baffling that some of these devs could ruin such an incredible platform. Its not even comparable with epic store, ubisoft store and GOG they just dont listen to their users. Plus valve being open source helps other game devs!!!

[@YBlndr]

While the 30% cut and their policy of publishers and devs can't price their games lower than on Steam seem a bit unfair, the ramification of this lawsuit is so funny because if they ended up decreasing their cut, companies will have very little incentive to sell their games outside of Steam simply because they're going to benefit a lot from Steam way more, which ironically going to make Valve way more of a monopoly than it actually is currently. Let's not forget Valve is working for Steam OS and a new line of Steam machines, this will backfire on Valve's direct competitors hard.

[@snintendog]

Correction They cant sell STEAM KEYS lower than on steams listing price, Sales excluded. Steam Literally asks for NO UNDER CUTTING with a REASONABLE Exclusion. FFS all they had to do is have a PERMANENT sale on their site and they would have been fine.

[@YBlndr]

@@snintendog They'd be susceptible for lawsuits especially if the game is sold on multiplatforms I think. Everyone would feel ripped off if, say, the game is more expensive on console than on PC. From the market share too we can see that games just don't sell well if they're not on Steam unless it's an Epic (timed) exclusive. With that being said, if Valve is forced to decrease the 30% cut and Steam ended up dominating way more (which is the only possible outcome of this lawsuit), I can definitely see Valve getting into yet another lawsuit for "market manipulation" or whatever.

[@releasethekraken5039]

Ah yes, Völve. Critically acclaimed company known for their games like: Hælf-Loife, Təām-Førtress 2, Pourtel and Dötā. Don't take it personally but the way you pronounce valve throughout the whole video is pretty funny to me.

[@Amayii]

It wouldnt be a real half-life game without a law suite. It's all part of the Valve dev experience

[@SinbadNaiver]

I dont believe it, Valve would never have done such anti-competitiveness. though the only thing they should be sued for is the whole anti-consumerism shtick. If valve goes bankrupt, i lose over 100 games and around thousands of dollars worth of games AND purchases for my PC.

[@JimBimBum]

imagine if valve shut down for a week in protest.

[@ThunderClawShocktrix]

they wont cuase that would break trust wwith gamers

[@aermotors]

Apple does the same thing on their App Store, I don't understand why they are going after Steam for how they operate.

[@mecanico4973]

Bros repeating the same shit for 9 mins

[@laser_turret]

Yeah im closing the video now

[@uhohwhy]

vulve also isn't honest with the number of active cs2 players :D

[@pchris]

My hot take is that I can believe Valve is an incredible company that has done far more good for the gaming industry and for their consumers than bad while also acknowledging that, as the dominant player in their market, some of their practices can be harmful. 30% cut doesn't sound that high on it's own, but when you account for publisher's cuts and taxes, most developers end up with less than half the money their game made. Valve has proven that if they had competition they would have lower fees, as after Epic announced they were only going to charge between 12% and 20% of sales, and just days before that went into effect, Valve introduced a special 15-20% cut specially for AAA developers. They were scared of losing the AAAs, even to Epic's shitty platform. All the indies still have to pay the 30% fee though which doesn't really seem fair. They could use the discount the most. It should be 20% flat for everyone. AAAs don't deserve special privileges. I don't think these lawsuits will kill Valve or anything, and they should set a precedent that a 30% platform cut is too high, at we should quickly see Nintendo, Microsoft, Sony, Google, and Apple follow suit in lowering their platform fees. Remember: Valve didn't give us the ability to refund games we've played for less than 2 hours entirely out of the goodness of their hearts. They were sued into doing that. Even they need a push to do things that would slightly hurt them but benefit everybody else.

[@MrTheinfoman]

If I was a customer/consumer seeing that the devs who created the lawsuit and suing valve. Im just not gonna buy or support these dev for fighting against a company that did far better for the consumer than bad plus I'm gonna spread my messages to others.

[@user-jr6fw4qw7s]

Let me look at this from a consumer perspective. I do not believe for a second prices will go down even if devs win. This is the same argument people pulled when we went from brick and mortar to digital and, guess what, games still cost $60-70. I don't care who wins but I'd rather go with Valve seeing as they at least care about consumers rather than supporting game dev #617

[@hanneskarlbom6644]

Valve isn't perfect by any means and should be held accountable, but this lawsuit is just unfair. Also, they want Valve to pay back all their losses.

[@pchris]

@@user-jr6fw4qw7s I have no expectation that games will get cheaper except maybe during steam sales. The point I brought up about developers, especially small ones, usually not even seeing half of the money their game makes is what this would help. Indie developers should not be paying Valve more than AAAs in any world. Indies have been the real champions of innovation and treating their consumers right for a while now. Valve may have good consumer treatment most of the time but they should be supporting others who do, too. Not greedy big studios.

[@Thyrfingrulez]

So the 0.0000001% of consumers are against valve. And this is enough for a class action. Mmmmmmmurica

[@snintendog]

Class action funnily enough have a limit needed to even work. You cant run a class action with only 100 People if those effected are 10 million. It needs a lions share of minimum 40% to even be heard. Companies are easy since all you need is half the competitors to show up and they already are financially invested into this with their conflict of interest.

[@LiamDevLabs]

Why is Steam the best? 1 - Refunds: You can refund any game if it meets the established rules, without the developer or publisher saying otherwise. 2 - Reviews: You can share your opinion about any game you’ve played/purchased and check if a game is good or bad by looking at its reviews. 3 - Workshop 4 - Community Market 5 - Achievements 6 - Profile Customization 7 - Communities 8 - Huge marketplace and a wide variety of video games

[@RoboBabeXD]

steam having a 30% fee is a thing for me, it is the US taxing me in another 30%

[@SonicSonedit]

I really hope Sony and Microsoft and Apple get sued for real because unlike Valve they ARE abusing their position

[@SinbadNaiver]

Valve is not in toruble inymore, not even in danger, but in downright **PERIL.**

[@sonitrok2499]

3 lawsuits. Half-Life 3 is coming

[@m-2718]

Also Polish Consumer Protection Group might start a lawsuit over the insane polish prices, that are highest in the world only lower than the Swiss

[@LolAsdov]

Valve is not setting prices 😂

[@m-2718]

@@LolAsdov No it's about the steam recommended prices, they don't update it, and do you belive devs have the time to set the prices themselves, or do they just click the defuelt button?

[@ioandragulescu6063]

somebody's behind this ... somehow.

[@muggrootbeer]

Lawsuits happened right before the release of Half-Life 2 in 2004, as stated in the 20th anniversary documentary. Maybe this is happing again.. listen, BUT before HALF-LIFE 3/X?!

[@felinecatgirl]

30% for all the services valve offers is worth it

[@Pitiplwuf]

Guess who’s getting boycotted???

[@gab_plays6235]

All the others

[@dhollsynthmusic]

Guys, can everyone wait until Half-Life 3 is out before suing Valve to oblivion?

[@dummykeir1717]

Rather have Valve as the monopoly than other more greedy anti-consumer developers

[@RhysVPC]

Valve should get a spanking for removing csgo and replacing it with cs2 whilst keeping it as the csgo store page which means they kept all the reviews which kept it high on the charts, How can reviews for a different game be used to review cs2 it's bullshit they did it because they knew it would have got overwhelmingly negative reviews

[@NikuaRanger]

Microsoft and Sony cant deal with Steam openess and consumer friendliness, they mad

[@gvstavofabian]

People, Valve will need money so we gonna have HL3 soon.

[@DTog1]

Better release a new charm case in cs2

[@thezucclord-3738]

Can we just boycott the losers who started these lawsuits? Valve is like the only one in the industry who actually has the consumer and developers in mind.

[@ImUncreative]

Coffeezilla is about to release a video avout valves compliance in the CSGO gambling ring, i wouldnt be surpised if something came out of that too

[@somnvm37]

30% seems pretty reasonably considering steam is so far the best service, it does have alternatives such as what epic uses it saves a lot of data and is a very complex service. What would be less? 25% of 20% because 10% is absolutely nothing. and it's not liek the prices there are high also don't forget that valve gets no money from microtransactions, which is the main source of income for most games anyways (which was popularised by valve itself)

[@aydennuula979]

Valve isn't doing anything anti-competitive, the competition just sucks ass and all PC gamers will tell you the same. This lawsuit blows. Wolfire should make their own storefront if they are so upset at the 30% cut. Or use Epic (which sucks because Epic doesn't improve it's store even though they have the money to do so) Valve did absolutely nothing wrong.

[@jasonalmont7572]

What is that word I’m hearing? It’s driving me nutty trying to figure it out.

[@Madman2429]

It's crazy to me, that valve is being sued for being too objectively good compared to competitors.

[@godkekliveshere431]

forcing everyone to sell on steam dues not = good. hey, speaking of how great steam is want to explain to me how a " game " on steam managed to win the freaking game awards by bypassing every new law steam has pushed to everyone this year want to explain to me how you can be the best game ever via trailer only. the game is called catly by the way.

[@Madman2429]

@@godkekliveshere431 Steam doesn't force anyone to sell on their platform. This whole suit is just blaming steam because their competitors are incompetent.

[@Vadu-r3l]

@@godkekliveshere431 GabeN is literally dont care where you sell your games

[@Corey_the_zebra]

It was better if we were just protesting for hl3 or portal 3 and left 4 dead 3 etc etc etc.