Vampire: the Masquerade - The Week of Nightmares (Lore)

[@chihuahuaman917]

Ghoul: My lord you've been in torpor for 10 years. Elder Ravnos: Oh boy, I can't wait to meet my Ravnos friends again.

[@ThePrimogen]

The saddest story I’ve ever read 😔

[@ilnigromante666]

Boy, he'll find he's without friends.

[@FordyTheConeSmoker]

I came here for lore not feels 💔

[@Posturtle]

A lesson to Scourges everywhere: the mass killing of thin-bloods might actually help bring about the very Gehenna you're trying so hard to prevent.

[@ThePrimogen]

And yet they still keep at it. Shaking my head at this one, fam, they'll never learn.

[@isaacofthales4303]

Beckett says a self-imposed Gehenna warrants more vigilance than a biblical one

[@onemoregodrejected9369]

Thinbloods with five dots on Thin Blood Alchemy can make a potion to raise even antediluvians from Torpor. If a thinblood gets cornered, they might as well raise hell rather than get killed like a lamb

[@skeletonking4119]

One of my reasons to PURGE those scourges scums . Into the face of the prince and dusty elders who send them

[@keithcrook8591]

I get a kick out of imagining the Tzimisce elders reactions when coming face to face with something as horrific as themselves during the beckoning...and quickly realizing they are completely outmatched..

[@ThePrimogen]

"On second thought, let's not have the Gehenna Wars."

[@keithcrook8591]

lol RIGHT?!

[@Duskwalker68]

Honestly I wish they'd do more events like this, finding out what an Antediluvian (even one of the weakest) is truly capable of was really interesting.

[@ThePrimogen]

I agree! It was amazing to read about!

[@DividedStates]

Beckoning

[@SilentsKillerPL]

There are gehenna scenarios (now considered not cannon) that describe what Antediluvians are truly capable of. Like The Eldest transforming himself into cancer like thing and margining with entire biosphere of the planet. Ennoia fusing herself with the planet itself and opening giant fanged holes in the ground to devour whole towns/cities.

[@Chann223]

And I guess Zapathasura ( a.k.a. Ravana) is possibly also one of the Yama Kings? So it may be also a demonstration of what their power would be like too, if they incarnated on earth.

[@jakobrenner2230]

All of them are frickin' powerful. I was disappointed that they didn't include [Ventrue] in none of the Gehenna scenarios, that was an Antediluvian I was looking foward to see. Guess they didn't know how to turn the Dominate discipline into an effective plot device.

[@ilnigromante666]

To beings so arrogant and sure of themselves as vampires, The Week of Nightmares was a frightening reminder of what awaited them in the not so distant future and that they were never in control of anything.

[@ThePrimogen]

Exactly! A momentuous occasion for the Kindred.

[@Tryone2-11]

While the Sabbat was proven right they were also disheartened by seeing and hearing about the magnitude and reach of the devastation.

[@ThePrimogen]

I'm starting to understand why maybe the Sabbat's not quite as cohesive in the modern day as it once was.

[@shadowvulture5992]

The Week of Nightmares - beginning of the end, time when one of the eldest once again reminded about his existence, when sky has been lit up with red, when prophecies started to fulfill, when madmans got back what have been stolen from them and... my favourite event in whole WoD :D

[@ThePrimogen]

It's certainly a massive event. What a way to send off the setting.

[@stevenotto1456]

The Antediluvian voice was cool! Great video!

[@ThePrimogen]

Glad you liked it! I hope it felt appropriately sinister :)

[@Iucaitus]

@@ThePrimogen Almost like the sound of the reality's contortion!

[@CommieApe]

Vampire the Masquerade's lore is so apocryphal and disturbing when followed to it's logical conclusions.

[@edmoody2920]

I might be late but I Love The Week of Nightmares. I've ran a few sessions for it with my players and just hearing this makes me want to run it again. Though it was done like a short story it was still a great peice of work.

[@RichterBelmont2235]

From my experience with Vampires, I'd like to think that these Antedlivian can't just drop dead in a traditional sense. Just as I suspected that Ventru Antediluvian just used his 10 dot Dominate to fool everyone INCLUDING the readers into thinking that he died. Ravnos who can turn any imagination real with his 10 Chimerstry could probably do the same with ease.

[@Helltamirre]

Technocracy would be like: NO SELL, DEVIANT.

[@ThePrimogen]

I think in a sense it *kind* of cheapens the story a little to say that he made it anyway, meaning that WW would more or less declare that Vampires are on the top of the food chain, but I see where you're coming from.

[@Gangrel442003]

@@Helltamirre Fuck the Technocracy. Authoritarian bastards...

[@breakerofrocks]

@Primogen said it in his comment, but basically the world (and its stakes) are sometimes low in value because the vampires - especially the Antediluvians - are so insanely and shortsightedly OP. The whole thing about the Sabbat is that they want to destroy the Antediluvians before they awaken to feed on them all (before, what, going back to sleep?) and they feel empowered to do this because the two clans that made up the bulk of the sect at its founding had, through their own will, organization and elbow grease killed off their own clan founders. Doesn't it mean the Sabbat are utter shit at their whole raison d'etre if the aforementioned two Antediluvians actually 'cheated' and waka, waka, waka are still scheming somewhere or other.

[@crazymanmot]

I do not htink it cheapens the world as a whole, there are also other creatures from other splats that can match up with an Antediluvian. But I do not, for one second, believe that the Ravnos Antideluvian is truly out of the picture, dead maybe, but gone, not for one second.

[@nocturnGER]

The awakening of this ancient, vampiric being was so devastating, Sabbat Elders around the world were wearing "See?! We were right the whole time!"-T-Shirts for weeks!

[@Treyvah]

What is even more terrifying is that Ravnos was *weakened* from the beginning. He'd woken up from Torpor and needed to feed, and hadn't even completely replenished himself. Now consider, where are his other siblings right now? The other ... ten? Where are they? Are they all asleep? Or have they been awake this entire time, and planning to do something far worse ... or prepare for something even more horrifying? And then, there is this Beckoning we've heard about in the Middle East ...

[@Chann223]

Well Lasombra for sure was destroyed during the 1st anarch revolt, taken out by his own children and some Banu Haqim i believe. And yet, with the new V5 plot it appears that some cainites are reporting to have actually encountered and fought him in some areas where the Gehenna War is going on. Whether its really him, his ghost, or just another very powerful Lasombra running around it is sending alot of cainites into madness with terror. Lasombra was one of the most powrful Antediluvians, so him coming back would be a very big problem. I for one would love to see Set come back. He was a terror in his own right and caused alot of mayhem in and around Egypt.

[@ThePrimogen]

It certainly is an interesting time to be (un)alive.

[@Treyvah]

@@Chann223 I always saw Lasombra has having faked his own demise, much like his sibling the Eldest of the Tzimisce. I mean, how can you truly destroy the embodiment of darkness itself? It is fairly clear to me that the Sabbat are just another tool of the Ancients in the Jyhad. As for Set ... I get this feeling he is a lot craftier than people give him credit for, if his constantly adapting and evolving progeny are anything to go by.

[@Chann223]

@@Treyvah Well i do believe there is a thing with Lasombra's consciousness still existing somewhere in the abyss. Some believe he allowed himself to be killed so that he could become one with the abyss, turning into a monstrosity of the void. But the abyss itself is not too happy about that.

[@rjp3837]

@@Chann223 as of Shadows of new York I think it's Canon he did do that so yeah unless you xount saulots situation [Ravnos] is the first dead antedilluvian can't wait for the Sabbat to realize how utterly screwed they are

[@EloquentTroll]

And again the Technocracy are the true heroes of the World of Darkness.

[@jamiadixon331]

This is the content I crave. Fighting over cities is cool but I want more of this level of madness.

[@ThePrimogen]

Glad you enjoyed! It was a blast researching!

[@smuggrog9821]

Fortitude 10, nuff said. Lets hope mamma Ennoia stays sleeping bruh.

[@ThePrimogen]

Ohhhh boy, Ennoia would be horrifying.

[@Gangrel442003]

@@ThePrimogen Fortitude 10, Protean 10...She'd be the last one standing...

[@lolbots686]

​@@ThePrimogenconsidering she was a kinfolk before embrace,yeah. Vampiric werewolf monster form. Survive that lol

[@leonardhollsten8145]

We get more details on her in Gehenna. She literally merged with the earth and eats whole cities.

[@juliagoodwin3461]

It’s the end of the world as we know it It’s the end of the world as we know it It’s the end of the world as we know it And I feel fine...

[@ThePrimogen]

I'm imagining that song going through the head of every "lesser" supernatural living through those events.

[@Onionkid99]

Great effects in this one! The week of nightmares is a very cool event in the WoD, especially because it brings in all the major lines of the books. You've got kindred, lupines, and mages all getting in on the apocalyptic action!

[@ThePrimogen]

Thank you! It really kicked off something extraordinary!

[@badgeleys]

It sounds like the Ravnos destroyed themselves,here I was looking forward to playing one😔

[@ThePrimogen]

There are still a few of them around, but they can be considered more of a bloodline now than a full-fledged clan.

[@AdmiralShamayam]

@@ThePrimogenis he really dead or did he use his powers to fool everyone he had perished.

[@nineflames2863]

So an Antediluvian was killed and took his entire clan with him, except for the youngest generations whose blood was too diluted to be controlled by him. Kind of makes you wonder what the future direction of the setting is. Maybe at some point old school kindred will have died out completely, with thinbloods becoming the new norm?

[@ThePrimogen]

I know right? The ripples of this event are surely still felt in the Vampire community.

[@ssjjshawn]

Vampire blood does thicken over time, remember 13th Generation used to be a Generation of Thin Bloods. Given time the 14th and 15th may give way to new 16th and 17th Generation thin Bloods as their Blood Thickens to that of a True Kindred.

[@TheBall12]

@@ssjjshawn "thin bloods" and weak generation vampires are diffrent. "Thin bloods" can walk in the sun, many dont have to drink blood at all and can eat normal food etc. . There are barly more vampire then a normal Human in Cosplay. There blood is already so weak that they can not create new vampires and are incapable of strengthening just by themselfs. They would have to for example use diablerie to become full vampires. A weak generation vampire is still a full vampire but his initial power is weak. And therefore much more likly to (at first) create "thin bloods". And since the rest of ravnos vampires are all thin bloods (as far as we now) the bloodline is essential dead. Thats why some vampires fear what they call the time of the "thin blood". Its suppost to be an end times event.

[@ssjjshawn]

@@TheBall12 Yes and Thin Bloods are 14th and 15th generation Vampires, as of V20 and its Generation Chart, I speculated that given time 14th and 15th generation Vampires would lose that ability and become weaker generation Vampires (Like the 13th did) if Gehenna and the Withering didn't happen or V5 didn't fuck up a lot of the lore

[@TheBall12]

@@ssjjshawn no... not all 14-15 generation vampires are "thin bloods". It depends for example on the age (strength) of the sire. But these generations are much more likly to be since there blood is already very thin/weak to begin with and alot of 13 generation vampires are not of significant age (strength) already. "thin bloods" and weak generation vampires are diffrent.... .

[@TheHunterD69]

This is some of my favorite lore. It was so impactful to all of the world of darkness, and it showed just how powerful the eldest vampires could be.

[@ThePrimogen]

I know right? I loved reading it the first time.

[@tylerpetersen6226]

I know this is pretty old lore but considering the Antediluvian's rampage literally damaged the wall between the mortal/spiritual world and how in wraith the oblivion material it was mentioned that people used to physically be able to enter the land of the dead makes me think that the veil between worlds was damaged from the last time all the antediluvians were all fully awake. While for the past few thousand years the growing divide between the two realms has been old wounds slowly healing up.

[@KosmataBradva]

True, but they weren't in frenzy in ancient times. Probably saw a lot less action than what Zapp would have seen, if he didn't get wasted. Also, I think Zapp just responded to spirit attacks with spirit attacks. And every andie has his own set of gimmicks, no not everyone will go spirit holocaust when awake. Look at Tzimisce, they guy just wants to become a tree, doesn't even want to bother anyone anymore.

[@eliotbarnhart2810]

Damn, I can't imagine how the Masquerade stayed intact after something like that.

[@ThePrimogen]

It was a huge collaborative effort between the Camarilla and the Technocracy, I believe. Even so, the Camarilla are still suffering the after effects of it, in particular how it rekindled Vampiric faiths amongst the Ivory Tower.

[@setsunatenma9467]

the technocracy blamed the nuke to pakistan

[@thashadowspawn]

Flash backs of being a player in one of the official white wolf gaming seasons for this back in 1998/1999! Surviving with my 1st character who I used at various events. And now to return in 5th edition. This storyline was 1 of my last games ever! Man it was great to eat a sandwich while listening to this. Crazy great times! And to have modeled for some of the artist having my likeness in a few pictures was both a blessing & super fun! I'm looking forward to bring my Lasombra back into action very very soon! Keep up the great work Primogen! Aloha!

[@Ezojazol]

This video is pure gold dude, no lie. I'll show it to my players so they'll be aware of the kinda shit they got into.

[@ThePrimogen]

So happy you like it! The Week of Nightmares was honestly a pretty crazy event, still shook whenever I read it.

[@kikodejesus9192]

Thanks for your telling of the week of nightmares that happened in the floodplains of bangladesh. Appreciated. Mabuhay!

[@ThePrimogen]

It was my absolute pleasure!

[@Gangrel442003]

Or maybe, just maybe, the lord of illusions just pulled off the greatest illusion of all time...Nevertheless, my dear Primogen...Magnum Opus...Magnum Opus...

[@ThePrimogen]

Hahaha, that's definitely within the realm of possibility! *hats off* Glad you enjoyed it!

[@lolbots686]

Something emerged from the ruins of the prime chantry. It was...seemingly human. Saulot staggered up. He looked around. Then to himself. Saulot looked...himself. the progenitor of clan salubri had this aura about him,a presence of utter zen and calm. The first enlightened saw it. Visions of it all. After all,he saw much. "Hm...a shame. It seems...ive been gone a long...long time." Saulot looked at the ruins. He saw ashes and slightly torn clothes. He looked archaic. If he was not careful...house tremere would make a fools errand and more would too. Come night,saulot would finally move. Not through reality though. With a gesture,saulot walked into the umbra. It was...changed. rotting. Yet that would be for another night. The grandchilder of caine would eventually end up in a woodland area. saulot breathed in and out. He did not need to,yet felt so. The smell of earth after the rain recent. Perfect. And so, saulot sat and meditated. After all,what was the point? He has time. Time to think. Time to contemplate...

[@TheCourtsOfLove]

Here's the thing, the Ravnos Antediluvian can't be dead? The Ravnos still are suffering the Beckoning which are tied to the clan's antediluvians being active...the only clan not tied to the beckoning is Hecata because all of their antediluvians are chronologically and fully truly dead - Augustus, Cappadocius and with Chimerstry 10 it could just as easily fake it's own death or create an entire battle slaughtering mighty opponents only for them to discover that it was not even the real thing.

[@johnvladman9425]

Awesome video ! ! ! 💯 More of Gehenna topic would be nice, keep up the good work, your channel is awesome.

[@ThePrimogen]

I will definitely revisit Gehenna in the future too! I've still got many stones left untouched!

[@dragutciprian7358]

Some people say that vampires are the weakest creatires in Wod.Imagine if a more powerful one awoke.

[@ThePrimogen]

Exactly!

[@derkrischa3720]

What if that was only a chimerstry illusion of zappa...

[@leandromol]

Awesome! I Love these videos with the Metaplots!

[@ThePrimogen]

I'm glad you like them! :D This one was a blast to make as well!

[@leandromol]

@@ThePrimogen Will you do more metaplot videos? For werewolf? For Mage? :D

[@alexanderlaplante5477]

Spreading the word on you primogen.good stuff,OWOD sage right here people.

[@adammelling9564]

And this is why as strange as it sounds as evil as the Sabbat are, they are a necessary evil

[@ThePrimogen]

:D

[@grandsome1]

Except the Sabbath is wholefully incompetent spilling tons of shovelhead blood around like the Ravnos did.

[@mavis...]

The ravnos are by far the most intresting clan to me, as an independent clan from both sabbat, camrillia and anarch they are an intresting group, as well as their relationship to western 'gyspies' and werewolves, all of it appeals to my inner vagabond . Plus i might just really want to prank a venture into drinking from a homless person.🙃

[@Chann223]

3 Bohdisatvas vs. Zapathasura = The 5 Kage vs. Madara. A valiant effort, but pointless.

[@ThePrimogen]

Omae ha mou shindeiru

[@TheStatisfiedOne]

@@ThePrimogen how strong is a bohdistavas??

[@ScumbagKazuela]

@@TheStatisfiedOne at the very least as powerful as a methuselah

[@TheStatisfiedOne]

@@ScumbagKazuela how powerful is a methuselah???

[@ScumbagKazuela]

@@TheStatisfiedOne enough to be considered almost gods by other cainites. And that's still several orders of magnitude below antediluvians like ravnos or even giovanni (one of the weaker ones)

[@sashaviper9682]

Outstanding! Thanks for this video!

[@ThePrimogen]

Glad you liked it!

[@simonward244]

Thanks. Enjoyed it as always

[@ThePrimogen]

Thanks again! I'm glad!

[@matthiasgrewe3715]

WHAT IF... the Lasombra are still Sabbat in their undead hearts and only try to involve the Camarilla in an inevitable war against the left clanfounders before it's too late? They are called puppetmasters for a reason...

[@ThePrimogen]

It would be cool, but it would also be a bold move considering quite a few Sabbat elders had to be executed for the Lasombra to join.

[@matthiasgrewe3715]

@@ThePrimogen Well, and if those who witnessed the events of those death were either fooled or members of the Talmahera? I mean THE REAL ONE, of course?

[@dylanknight2761]

I knew of what happened, but wasn't sure how. Now I know, thank you!

[@ThePrimogen]

Just doing my job!

[@dylanknight2761]

@@ThePrimogen and you do it perfectly!

[@JoeStoryteller]

I wonder how this event will be interpreted by the current V5 meta-plot? Could Ravnos still be around or will they become a bloodline?

[@ThePrimogen]

I'm thinking Bloodline probably. There are two Ravnos in the Chicago Folios, apparently.

[@Fintago]

I would love more stuff like this!

[@ThePrimogen]

:) There'll be more.

[@Demolitiondude]

I guess your on the abyss side of the hell debate.

[@ThePrimogen]

Demon: the Fallen is one of my favorite supplements, so hell yeah!

[@TomasMosca]

Great video! Wanna cover the Avatar Storm in another one?

[@ThePrimogen]

It will be in a future episode for sure :)

[@Shotta0202]

@The Primogen What clan would you say is your favorite? To play as and lore wise if they are not the same

[@joaopedrooliveiradecastros2878]

Pfft, dudes think they killed the RAVNOS Antediluvian. I call it bullshit.

[@ThePrimogen]

Yeah, something as old as that? I doubt it. ;)

[@ortizon]

What would you adjust in this video since the companion book release about Ravnos?

[@GohnwithaG]

AWWWEEEEE SHHHHIIIIIDDDDDD It's about to go down.

[@ThePrimogen]

This was so amazing to read about back when it first happened too!

[@GohnwithaG]

@@ThePrimogen i could never find much information on the week of nightmares, your video told more than. I knew before. Like I didn't know the Camarilla elders were aware of the Antediluvians.

[@abrahamgarcia9104]

I was listing and the death jus happened….. what killed it

[@skullman-us7wn]

It’s the end of the world as we know it. And i feel fine

[@MrChupacabra555]

I played WoD when it first came out and was the 'hot, new' RPG. By the time of this 'Genre Wide Apocalypse', though, we had gotten tired of the doom and gloom of the setting, and went back to D&D and Champions ^_^

[@drakethesnek6429]

Not all surviving ravnos were of weak blood.

[@skeletonking4119]

Yes yes yess !!!

[@Azreal231916]

Oh hahah you already did. I’m silly

[@thesmilyguyguy9799]

= D

[@josephbeckett2330]

And lore like this is why I hate V5.

[@ThePrimogen]

This was in Revised Edition