Episode 33: Clan Baali

[@powerup3005]

The more I learn about the Baali the more I like the Salubri

[@atomicash2475]

Most likely made by the same guy

[@aleksandarkrstic5341]

There is a story, but, before telling it, I need to say one more thing. It is said that Baali often pose as a Tremere, not only because of their thirst for knowledge and love for the occult, but because they have almost the same blood as Tremere. Only those who are experts in Thaumaturgy can detect that. Why do Baali have "similar" blood as Tremere? Well, because (the story goes) they have the same Antideluvian, and it's not Tremere (the mage). It's Saulot. Now, on to my point. It is said that when Baali war happened and Samiel (Salubri) led the coalition against the demons, he won, but was betrayed and killed from behind. By Ahab. Who is Ahab? Well, there are two theories. First, he was a Baali who (because of the same blood), hid among the Salubri, waited for the right moment and killed Samiel. Second story says that he was a Salubri, corrupted by Baali, and because of that, he killed Samiel. What is the most interested thing, is the theory that it was Ahab who pointed out Saulot's place of torpor to Tremere and literally ruined the true clan of Saulot. Therefore, there is one conclusion. Baali may have lost the Baali war, but they (in one way or another) won the conflict against Salubri on the long run. And yes, Salubri CAN sense a Baali (easier than Tremere or others) and root them out, but, quite conveniently, there are not that many of them around these days. So, wherever they are, Baali are still walking the earth and plotting something that all other kindred should be very afraid of.

[@Brandelwyn]

@@atomicash2475 doesn't change the fact that salubri themselves are good

[@BedlamBoy1978]

@@Brandelwyn Which Salubri? Samiel's red eyed followers are closer to Baali then any other clan....

[@Brandelwyn]

@@BedlamBoy1978 no theyre not and healers with all due respect are just pssies unwilling to fight

[@aaronmcmillen8140]

I'm a believer that my ancestor, Saluot, was the creator of the Balli. He saw them playing at evil, and throwing away the gift of holiness to have truck with the First Ones. His anger was great at them for their actions. "They threw away their Grace to be evil, and don't even understand what TRUE EVIL is. I will show them..." With that, he summoned his Beast and, well, the rest is history as the young ones say.

[@KoltiraMemeweaver]

The name Nurgle just always bring images of filth, detritus, and disease to my mind for some reason. I feel about it the same as others feel about the word "moist" lol.

[@KoltiraMemeweaver]

Poor blood daddy :(

[@lilmichaeltaylor546]

Good ol' papa Nurgle, praise be his fetid glory!

[@nalrashido]

Nergal as in the Babylonian God of Death and Destruction

[@nandorhunyadvari9153]

@@lilmichaeltaylor546 My exterminatus hand is twitching

[@Thyinternet]

The grandfather loves you

[@Estel2121]

I enjoyed the extra storytelling in this one Lorey :) Nice to have more character development!

[@LoreByNightVtM]

Been awhile since The Narrator has had some character development. Stay tuned for more deep lore...

[@Last-Outrider]

Ahhh the Baali they are fun at parties. As a Black Spiral Dancer, I meet a elder Baali who mistakenly thought I was going to eat her. Spilling most of her blood she called a "greater demon", actually an incarna of Abhorra my urgewyrm. The look on her face when instead of smiting it greeted me was priceless.

[@lolbots686]

... fuck the black spiral dancers

[@uglyweirdo1389]

Ever meet a dude named Xactartyaxton? Great guy for a Baali.

[@ocelotlmunoz2799]

Ahh the Baali, my favorite clan/bloodline that's helped me create some really quite fun characters such as ancient scorned childer of Nergal with an undying vendetta against the La Sombra, or Ventrue turned infernalist due to disillusionment with their sect of origin 😈 I've been burning through the backlog of this show as I've been getting back into the WoD lately, so thank you dear narrator for sharing your knowledge with us!

[@LoreByNightVtM]

Thanks for listening! Glad you're enjoying the Lore By Night podcast 😊

[@shilohwehrmacht2947]

Hey I'm putting together a story that would involve baali and assamite as well as true brujah diablerie anduse of temporis and a few other things I'm looking for people who love vtm and would like to take part let me know if you might be interested and I'll give you the website and a couple screen names to add on there

[@shilohwehrmacht2947]

This is a great channel wish I'd found it sooner

[@OrkarIsberEstar]

the Baali could be a legit clan though. An maybe the rulers of em all..."baali" doesnt translate to "the lords" without reason muahahaha. They know immunity to fire and creatures beyond Kainite capabilities, dark secrets the Tremere would love to have and they are the only ones able to convert another Kindred to one of their own...willing or not

[@clockwork7daemon]

The Angelus Ater remain my absolute favorite of the darker Bloodlines, and the Baali are always an enjoyment at my table. Wonderful video, the enthusiasm is always contagious.

[@Iwuznothere]

Well, there is at least one Clan who has never stopped taking any rumor of Baali seriously, even rewarding anyone who proves they have killed a Baali a sword that promises they will not be hunted for aiding in their eternal holy war against infernalists. The Banu Haqim. The laws of Haqim and the Path of Blood absolutely would see every Baali as unworthy of the blood and a monster fit to be put down. Unfortunately, it is rumored that the Children's eternal lust for blood is a lasting curse from the Baali during the Baali Wars. And not only that, but possibly the current head of their holy fortress of Alamut, Ur-Shulgi, possibly the strongest kindred existing in these final nights; is in fact either a member of the First Tribe or possibly Shaitan and a founder of the Baali. Ur-Shulgi was embraced around the Second Baali War and was possibly the strangest of all of Haqim's childr. Some even speculate that Haqim made him to slaughter the rest of the Baali that congregated around the 10 year old turned Sheppard of the Baali with the inherent wickedness of a Widderslainte, a reincarnation of the Avatar of a Nephandi - a fallen mage. Haqim according to this rumor threw the child into the pit himself, saw him rise up and then "found" Ur-Shulgi as one of the only survivors after the battle, fit to embrace him as one of the most powerful blood sorcerers to ever unlive even at the moment he became 4th generation. It would explain why he alone could break the curse the entirety of Clan Tremere put upon the Banu; to wield power even his child, Al-Ashrad of the Camarilla Schismatics, trembles to. Why both of them look so alien and different than any other member of the clan. But you should be very careful who you say this to or else you could find a judge out to slay you tonight.

[@solarisengineering15]

I've been reading Demon: The Fallen books recently due to my interest in the World of Darkness and Demon-related media (thanks Go Nagai) and I can only imagine a conversation between two Fallen about the Baali: "So these were the bastards who tried to bind Sarisel to their service..." "And they then proceeded to find their own little corner of the 'Fuck Around and Find Out' curve. Look at that, I think there's pieces of this lady in every corner of this room. Sarisel was always this soft nerdy type when I knew him. The things Torment does to a man..." "That name... Baali... does that ring a bell to you?" "Their name sounds like this guy I used to go out drinking with in Genhinnom, Baal. Funny guy, I hate to say it but he's likely still in the abyss. Probably just a coincidence, Baal would've found me if he was back on Earth." "Well, let's grab what we need and get out of here. I'm sure Nuriel will want to know about this." "Sounds good. Wanna go out for tacos after this?" "How can you think about food in this place?" "I mean, it's not like there was any in the abyss. At least, none worth mentioning."

[@CorporateG0th]

There's some nuance there. DtF's demons aren't the same entities as the demons identified in the christian Hell in WoD lore. While both are in a range of creatures mortals have labeled "demons," the demons the Baali consort with don't resemble the fallen angels at all, and rather appear more like the amorphous, eldritch and malevolent beings hinted at in Event Horizon, alien entities from another realm of existence beyond our comprehension, where time and space stop making sense and nightmarish contortions of reality corrupt, destroy and consume what we perceive to be reality. Their ultimate goal wouldn't be to subjugate Earth to Faustian Fallen or something, but to collapse it into a horrorshow where Lovecraftian monsters hunt down Earth's denizens and reduce the planet to a dead wasteland with a glitched out reality, after which they will move on to the next reality. They demand depravity and mass murder in sacrifice to create psychic rifts to open the gates, and while in their lore the christians have assigned them names like "demons" from a world called "Hell," if they are aware of the christian god at all, they know it only as prey.

[@zackpeacekiller243]

Another good one, Lore-man. Can't wait for the next addition for this story.

[@LoreByNightVtM]

Lore-Man, punching obscure vampire lore in the face with fists of scholarly pursuit.

[@alexharrington5060]

would love to have a lore by night video on Wights

[@englishpride2406]

The mixture of Lasombra and Baali sounds like my kinda character! 😈

[@LoreByNightVtM]

Well, go and make one!

[@shilohwehrmacht2947]

I'd recommend an assamite who was being attempted to be shifted to baali and instead diablerized them and who had then diablerized a lasombra as well

[@jonathansnow2843]

Best clan next to the Tzimisce

[@lynxfang3352]

I heard Nurgle, and Moloch! Where the hell is Nyarlathotep?!! The ultimate eldritch lord!

[@LoreByNightVtM]

Sorry. But your Methuselah is in a different castle.

[@realfiend4789]

Great Video! Looking forward to the next one!

[@LoreByNightVtM]

Thank you kindly!

[@Snooki977]

Just found your channel, absolutely enthralled (as a Giovanni would put it) by your narration... I am always very surprised by the bits of lore i find in here ; great work !

[@LoreByNightVtM]

Thanks so much! I’m really pleased you are enjoying the podcast so far!

[@jacobmoorman6323]

Ah, Saulot's fun little Gambit.

[@Kulkodor1]

Just rewatching this and just a thought wasn't there a 3rd baali progenitor though they are unnamed

[@JohnSmith-xm4dk]

I want to begin with saying this technically doesn't have to do with the Baali directly but rather their signature discipline, Daimoinon. Forgive me, but after watching this video I decided to go check them out in the V20 corebook and I started to look a little closer at the discipline. I also realize this is going to be somewhat long winded but it has to be get my thoughts across. For V20 i have to say, Daimoinon is a helluva discipline to have on a caitiff or a normal vampire the additional discipline merit. At 1 dot you can gain insight in the weakness of someone. At 2 dots you can exploit this weakness through conversation, possibly driving the person into unconsciousness or frenzy. At 3 dots, YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO HURL MOTHERFUCKING BLACK HELLFIRE. Did I mention the target stll has to roll for Rotschreck in addition the aggrevated damage? At 4 dots, you can cause a person to hallucinate a physical manifestation the most dangerous, shameful from their own subconscious. Finally at 5 dots you can curse someone. Now how it works is by dividing your succeses by severity and duration of the curse but man can it get devastating. If you put five successes in duration it is PERMANENT. Even if its a minor curse, it being permanent is going to really suck. Now there is a decent argument to be made that the baali in V20 were not meant to be played by a PC, and instead were meant to be something a storyteller could use in a plot line based on what I'm about to mention next. There is little to no restrictions on the level 5 ability. Maybe I should rephrase that. There is little to no *explicit* restrictions. The only things it mentions is that the difficulty is determined by the target's willpower, split the successes by duration and severity, and the baali can willing choose to end the curse at any time. It mentions nothing on range, how many curses you can inflict on a person at any given time, knowing the face of the target, or how to remove it outside of the outlasting the duration or the baali choosing to end it. So that means you could, in theory, continuously lay endless curses on an individual you've never met, who is currently the other side of the planet, with no way of getting rid of them. Now of course, no reasonable storyteller will allow you to do that and would probably nerf it. Personally speaking, I would restrict it to the following: you have to know the true name of an individual, you have to have met them before, you can only have one curse placed on an a particular individual at a time (meaning you can't have more than one curse on a person at a time but you can have multiple curses on multiple people. One per person), and it can be ended by some thaumaturgical ritual. Sidenote: Daimoinon actually works quite nicely for a holy inquisition type vampire if you were to change when and how you used it as well a reflavoring it a little. The black hellfire? Recolor it to white hot holy fire (I would require the vampire to have true faith in order to do this). Make a sinful vampire face a physical manifestation of his beast. You could curse a vampire to never lie, be as ugly on the the outside as he is on the inside, be unable to sire or blood bond.

[@scottdoesntmatter4409]

Let's be frank, the Baali do everything the Setites do, but better at it. So I outlawed the latter for the former in my game.

[@Joshua1Babs]

Well done video, very captivating

[@mrraisbeck]

If they were in v5? Would it be obfuscate, Presence and blood sorc? With a new lot of hellish rituals

[@mylesvenn185]

Well... My character might be up against a Balli in the Camirilla.

[@joedredd1168]

The Banu Haqim do not approve.

[@Youhaveaname]

Unholy clusterfuck known as Carthage. Love ir.

[@LoreByNightVtM]

Thank you! I was particular proud of that one when I wrote it 😅

[@ANARAHATH]

By the Gods! Enraptured, enamored, enthralled. End of story.

[@SkullCowboy333]

Is it not true that among the titles of Set is Ba’al even in accepted works of history and public accounts of the Left Hand Path, does this not make Set Ba’al and thus the father of the Baali or Lords?

[@LoreByNightVtM]

That is one theory, yes.

[@SkullCowboy333]

@@LoreByNightVtM That is the one I go with, Set being the sire of Lilith and Lilith being the sire of Caine. I could say more if it was wished. Love your work.

[@LoreByNightVtM]

Thanks! 💙

[@amaimon1494]

I find it interesting how a lot don’t talk about the comparisons between the Settites and Baali as both share two of the common disciplines and both hold reverence to their own feverish forms of religion but have a core tenant to corrupt others.

[@elivazquez9287]

Heeeeeell yeah!

[@MrBiizer]

I've been waiting for this

[@LoreByNightVtM]

Hope it was worth the wait!

[@chihuahuaman917]

I have a theory that the Baali may actually be a bloodline of the Salubri.

[@LoreByNightVtM]

Do tell! That sounds interesting...

[@chihuahuaman917]

@@LoreByNightVtM The Salubri are like the Jedi of the Kindred while Baali are the Sith in a "good vs evil" theme to both of them. The Salubri and Saulot did not hate the Baali but rather despised them to the point as if there was a dark secret between both bloodlines. The Baali discipline, Daimoinon is basically a twisted version of the Salubri discipline, Obeah (or Valeren).

[@LoreByNightVtM]

That would be an interesting plot 🧐

[@qavahar]

That is not a new theory; it has been strongly hinted in places they are a product of Saulot's.

[@chihuahuaman917]

@@qavahar I know I just wanted to mention it.

[@louisakaangelisgeoghaganak3229]

dark mother baali i invoke go wake her up and make sure my golden girls change

[@Zakk9410]

Baali are my favorite

[@scottlatta5180]

My second favorite after Tzimisce easily

[@brianzmek7272]

Like most Nos the Malcolm's story is a tragedy

[@nos2342]

To please the algorithm

[@lilmichaeltaylor546]

Praise be the algorithm!

[@gerardmagrasso4184]

Is this fifth or V20?

[@LoreByNightVtM]

Revised and V20. I have no idea how the Baali would work in the V5 setting at this time of writing, other than Setite on hard mode

[@gerardmagrasso4184]

@@LoreByNightVtM cool! thanks!

[@louisakaangelisgeoghaganak3229]

im bored now im upset my golden girls where like my grandmother i lost my grandmother they became my grandmother not happening to me today

[@louisakaangelisgeoghaganak3229]

willow go wake up betty white

[@louisakaangelisgeoghaganak3229]

change her

[@tombirmingham7033]

Hello , help my LARP fight Aleksandr Dugin and the Order of thr Nine Angles

[@LoreByNightVtM]

I'm good thanks?

[@louisakaangelisgeoghaganak3229]

go wake up betty white

[@PumaFist]

Ba-ah-lee is how it's pronounced.

[@LoreByNightVtM]

Don't care 😘

[@scottdoesntmatter4409]

Let's be frank, the Baali do everything the Setites do, but better at it. So I outlawed the latter for the former in my game.

[@alexparrish9690]

I'd point out that not all your lore is complete. Supposedly three Kindred crawled out of that well.... The third was never spoken of by Nergel or Moloch, but supposedly it was a woman and she was feared. The Heralds of the Swarm and followers of Path of the Hive supposedly have their origins from her...

[@LoreByNightVtM]

I do mention the third, if in brief passing.