Why Mel counters Anivia? (Mel Passive Tests)

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[@Vandiril]

I think Zac bloblets getting executed at this threshold are indeed intended. At rank 1 you store 50 damage, so that adds up perfectly. That makes Mel pretty powerful at dealing with Zac's passive.

[@owencoukell388]

😥

[@leno1992121ify]

so zac is a pink ward now

[@SharpeurNes]

Now zac finally have a counter

[@sethmasters2147]

good, get rid of blob

[@AGuy-0751]

Everything counters Zac passive bro, 1 yasuo q. 5 minute cd you can't even save with teleport anymore

[@mothaberrant]

The anivia player wasn't even mad he was just disappointed and in agony at all the spaghetti a bird can have

[@phoenixflamegames1]

God the W alone man….

[@TrkJustin]

'wtf' the only fitting reaction

[@Anaklusmos42]

All the spaghetti 200 years of experience* can have

[@Pinnster]

he sounded so calm when he said wadafak

[@Carnax321]

W pfp

[@khier-eddinehennaoui9783]

😂

[@somexne]

@@Carnax321 what is that pfp

[@ShinkenKeruberosu]

@@somexne profile picture

[@k7suited]

@@somexne tes iv oblivion pfp

[@Shad0wWarr10r]

probarly somthing with lack of a transition state, like sion going a bit untargetable, and zac spawning new minions. while Anivia just turns into egg while still being everything the same, immediatly

[@luiscortes2333]

Wouldnt that be same thing for champs like Urgot R on Anivia?

[@arandomwarlock7414]

@@luiscortes2333 yeah but they arent coded by the same people or in the same way, probably the people coding urgot ult either saw this scenario coming and made a fix or its treated differently, either way its a coding error on riots part for not taking this into account

[@jedanim9536]

She doesn't remain the same. She transitions to an egg, with its own health bar and resistances.

[@alcrian8627]

​@@jedanim9536It's the same in terms of code. While Zac and Sion "invokes" a different instance.

[@vizionz9755]

yeah im wondering if for a split second the egg's hp is at 0 but reset the next second and for that split second Mel's execute executes her egg. probably not and its just spaghetti code

[@aaaaaaa7934]

1:45 the entire seasons in one word

[@patty4449]

Ahaha the infamous execution bug. You see Anivia Egg is set to trigger on death, not execution, there is a seperate function for that with a few entries such as pyke R, collector, 225 stacks Smolder passive, Elder Buff, you know the gist. Guess they forgot to add Anivia to the list lmao

[@phoenixflamegames1]

Bruh😭 watch them not bother with it

[@g-3609]

so they just have to make a list of things that trigger it instead of it triggering on death... sigh

[@Oscar97o]

@@g-3609 Anivia is a very old champion. Her code just needs to be overhauled so it triggers on death instead. I assume that it wasn't possible at the time.

[@meagain7709]

maybe they didn't bother because of the secret anivia rework they're doing

[@larsp2457]

Are you aware you had the perfect opportunity to insert a pun here to exeggute your statement perfectly? Eggsecution.. Exeggution.. Eggseggution? I don't know which one's better.

[@echlypses]

she fries the egg

[@derdicok3877]

“wadhafa🙀🧐😳”

[@legromp2733]

"wadafak" 🗣🗣🔥

[@rmortuza]

1:45 sums this season up!

[@belimahits]

the title question is wrong, should be: *what does Mel not counter?*

[@david_ace]

your brain

[@loke5052]

melee champs that just gets on her. Mels only CC is the root on her E which has decently long CD.

[@theterron7857]

Assassins as every other long range mage

[@gvoah]

briar she reflects her ult and jumps into the enemy if it hits

[@Aodh_Exa_Lasair]

@@gvoah she runs in a straight line.. cmon you just CC her and walk to a tower or run away. Plus you can counter her E which will absolutely demolish her

[@NFSHeld]

What I saw was that the egg passive status icon appears twice for a single frame at 1:19 (use . and , keys to move frame-by-frame).

[@GiveMeTheTacos]

I imagine that when Mel executes, the game sets the player to "dead". It would seem the other champions have coding that says "if dead, then...". However, Anivia has always had interesting coding and it wouldn't surprise me if her passive was coded "if 0 health, then...", which means getting set to "dead" bypasses all this. Just a theory.

[@clash_blazr5095]

A GAAAAAAAAME THEORY (someone had to do it)

[@fabianzbranski2061]

Just a clear look at that with base knowledge of programming

[@RetroCube]

Actually afaik according to the wiki, executes deal 100% current health damage as "rawdamage", which ignores shields and is hardcoded to ignore resurrection mechanics, with specific abilities being special cased to be unignored (e.g. Pyke ult is special cased to allow resurrections like GA/Zilean R to go through). I suspect they just forgot to do this for Mel's execute with Anivia. This seems pretty easy to miss.

[@kraken4067]

Wait, in that case would The Collector also bypass Anivia's passive?

[@alegend2337]

The "wadafuk" made this video 10x better lol

[@AidanWR]

The revive icon staying there over no health bar is the icing on the cake

[@151alonso]

My guess is- its just coded like 2 collectors at once. Since -technically- the egg is at 1 then full hp, the ability checks for the treshold as the item does and then proceeds to execute it prior to the egg forming.

[@pikolino210]

"We spent an unhealthy amount of hours coding her projectile reflection on W" "Also we messed up the auto-hitting part"

[@geordietyne]

Pretty sure Zac and Anivia are not intended to work like that. But then again, it's Riot, so we'll see. 😀

[@lubue5795]

I think the Zac interaction could be intended. After all, other AOE abilities also hit all of Zac's boblets at the same time and though they do have AOE resistance (33%), AOE abilities are still very strong against them and basically hardcounter Zac. Anivia ult kills Zac in his passiv very quickly. And mathematically, it makes perfect sense that it works this way, as each of Zac's boblets has 12% of his HP and they are 4 individual units. So, Mel can execute all 4 of them, basically quadrupling her execute power. And since it's a dot and an execute, the AOE resistance doesn't work at all.

[@justhair17]

I think Zac's might work as intended, but Anivia has to be a bug

[@lubue5795]

@@justhair17 Anivia definitely is.

[@TheEstafista]

​@@justhair17 Just an overlook. Wouldn't call it a bug (ai know it fits bug description, but it is likely riot just forgot). If we go down the list of reasons to give sht to riot, this would be pretty low on it.

[@justhair17]

@@TheEstafista yeah, Im sure they'll fix it eventually, but its better to point it out while its still on pbe.

[@Catssonova]

Watch Riot disable Anivia instead of Mel

[@stoned.mp2]

300 years

[@kyzoonnova1]

not anymore... 50 % got fired

[@davidebeheshty1139]

Already smell the anivia immortal egg bug coming back

[@apocalypse8397]

1 year game design vs 200 years game design

[@di5963]

guessing this has to do with the order of operations anivia "dies" turns into egg and passive goes on cooldown gets healed to full but mel checks if champion is below x amount of health continuously until they die so it actually goes like this anivia "dies" turns into egg and cooldown check happens and kills the egg before the heal happens

[@terrible1234]

For zac, i guess the hp trigger use zac's max health instead of blob max health

[@stevveLP]

The hp trigger is flat HP based on Mel's AP. Her execute works best against low hp targets, like minions... And Zac blobs. Its intended

[@PR0FONDRESTANTE_Pr0fondo]

The spaghetti code is real .

[@eddieriven]

at this point Vandiril its an unofficial QA functional tester for Riot Games xD props on that

[@SydneySeth0816]

Mel counters all projectile champion and they even gave her a free execute that even smolder has to work hard for, she is perma banned unless im using her

[@fishstks9677]

all 3 of us anivia mains are fuming rn

[@pigymc1695]

if you look closely at anivia's healthbar, the egg status "lil mark with wings" actually stays, even after death

[@Avitymist]

Just the quality Id expect from Rito

[@darkrathwheito9818]

*"200 years of collective game design"*

[@Echtrae2501]

I am honestly surprised that only Anivia's passive is affected. This really feels like an improvement considering Riot's usual development process

[@vmdenis3350]

Truly a counter ability

[@sebastit7d]

The blobs is definitely intended, because each blob has an actual HP number, so the passive naturally applies to them. Anivia has to be an oversight in the way her passive is coded. My most educated guess is that Anivia doesn't prevent death but rather is supposed to "heal" her to full HP, change her state so that she goes into egg mode. What's interesting here is that Mel's passive might be coded in a way that says that when the threshold is crossed by a valid damage instance, the entity's state switches to "dead". So since Anivia's is just a change of state, her switching state going back to full HP for egg happens after Mel's execute's logic. The reason it doesn't happen with Pyke and Collector is that I assume those executes deal an actual number of damage (Enough to be overkill every single time) instead of changing an entity's state from alive to dead.

[@duchieu083]

Yeah, Riot is not even trying at this point. Perhaps they are too busy making new skins and thinking of new ways to harvest our wallets as much as possible. By the way, blue essence and hextech chests are probably not gonna comeback anytime soon if they keep doing this way.

[@raulbrenes778]

Blue essence did comeback, even better actually. Note: you do need to grind so fking much to actually see the results kf the be. While they are theoretically bigger, we still need to see if, in practice, they will feel better for the majority of the players. And hextech. . . Yeah they have been radio silent. They will most likely have told rioters not to even address the situation with the chests or the 4 orbs from buying the pass. Their twitter posts have been getting spammed with chests though, it is only a matter of time before they are forced to address it.

[@KupoKro]

@@raulbrenes778 Knowing Riot, they wont say anything anytime soon about the chests because they "already told us they were doing it." They'll either ignore it entirely and never change it, or change it in a couple patches with a "we heard your complaints" as they have a habit of doing.

[@januszpotter7845]

I love when Vandiril says "I am not sure if it's intended" but he is 100% sure it isn't

[@ordaflo]

Do Hubris on Jayce, Samira. They stack hubris differently based on the stance (melee or range), It is quite unfair when you get 10 kills, but only get half of AD.

[@rickyrivera3623]

Oooof

[@colddorito]

Samira is never considered a melee character, even when using melee autos. To confirm this, hit a tower with her ranged and melee attacks. Melee characters have an increase to damage on towers

[@ordaflo]

@@colddorito doesnt matter, if I kill with Q short range or melee, I gain 2x AD. If i do any range damage, 1x. same with Jayce

[@brokenvinhgs4747]

​@@ordaflowait are you saying that samira can stack 2 hubris with melee q? Pretty sure that this is a bug then xd

[@Soapsneaks]

R.I.P. Eggnivia 🥚

[@yassinedkhilii4536]

Blackfrost Annivia Bugged Passive:" Finaly, a worthy opponenet, our fight will be legendary"

[@PhYcOpAtHs_]

good thing this only affects a total of 3 anivia players

[@thedarkuk248]

Ahhh the typical small indie game call riot games, come one guys dont be that harsh about it

[@mr.pickle6487]

Isn't mel on PBE still? Having one interaction not work while still in testing is fine, isn't it?

[@nathanmello4407]

​@@mr.pickle6487 - Yeah, she is. And yes, it is normal but LoL players don't tend to see it that way.

[@MiniLolise]

Have you tested if that Anivia bug happens with other executes?

[@Daroga1]

It does not.

[@hamsterfromabove8905]

There is some spaghetti code at work. Anivia's doesn't get an egg when she gets executed. But they manually added in an exception to that "rule" for every execute in the game. However, everytime they add a new way to execute there is a chance they forget to go back and update Anivia egg. That's what happened here.

[@antoniovlassa5886]

It's because her champion costs more than yours

[@sabat3332]

This is because Anivia doesn't actually revive. She simply sets her stats (res, current health) to different values. Her passive goes on cd when her life hit 0. That's why it is different case which they forgot to include in new execution ability

[@michaelpark8811]

"working as intended" - Rito games

[@grifinsoulgreep]

I reported this bug 2 weeks ago, at this point I think that it will go to live servers.

[@AlexmaxiMercado]

We are changing league forever 🔥🔥🔥

[@UroOnCyberscore]

kled also seems to be executed if mounted, but only if he remounts with just a little bit of health

[@trungtuan5523]

Nobody: *1 week later* Vandiril: "Why Mel counter Garen? (Mel Passive Tests)"

[@TheIncredibleHieb]

And here i initialy thought it was about her projectiles having low travel speed, but i didn'T look at the channel properly

[@uaidudu]

Ok then, so Mel is a minecraft zombie walking over the anivia's egg? Niiiiice...

[@malyman316]

just a bug, but no worries mel will be 100 % ban rate in rankeds

[@Paddy-D92]

A free execute on passive is the dumbest shit I've ever heard of.

[@pppwww]

Working as intended.

[@Errezire]

you know spaghetti code fked up so badly that even a chinese player cursed in english

[@RichardKincses]

If mels passive works like the collector and does 9999 true dmg, try giving anivia more than 10k hp. My guess is that anivia fully restores her hp upon going 0 with her passive, but mels passive probably does like a stupid amount of true dmg to make sure that the target gets executed so even tho anivia would restore her hp fully with the egg she still gets more dmg from mels passive than what the egg form could handle.

[@PhailRaptor]

Mel's passive does magic damage, not true damage. But it does take MR and shields into account.

[@naldothadeus6310]

The egg is spawn from 0hp and set to full which while sion become untargetable and heal to ful

[@AniNeuraxAIVtuber]

"wadafak" he said calmly

[@Aldoz]

Wonder how they will fix this, if they will change Mel's interaction with Anivia or if they will rework Anivia passiv to be like new revive passivs

[@MSusername69]

is something up with youtube or is the video extra loud? is this just a me problem?

[@vasaramadanovic8045]

she counters like half the roaster okay

[@misterragger2389]

Simple answer: because mel counters almost anything that has proyectiles except for a couple of engage champions

[@eminem252525]

That was uneggspected

[@tomasmuller9159]

Just a random thought: how does Sion passive interact with Athakan revive? (if he gets the buff and dies + if he gets the buff whille in passive)

[@patty4449]

Oh btw Vandiril I seem to have found another interaction issue with Wukong and Graves smoke, I get some friends to test it later, if its worthy ima send

[@Deszradj]

VANDIRIL BRO MELS REFLECTING KATA PASSIVE!!!!????? she literally reflected my passive twice ;-;

[@plythbird]

this is actually criminal

[@3IRDDY]

Well I noticed that Minions get highlighted if you pay enough attention. They also get executed!

[@maxwell_edison]

Not regretting ditching this game one bit. Just a bunch of mediocre new champions, bugs, and random changes you have to constantly adapt to. I'm just so tired..

[@PJSM94]

It'll get fixed next year, maybe.

[@dennisdemarco606]

She can oneshot yorick minions with her E

[@the13unny85]

for mel vs kled, does mel have two executes since kled has 2 hp bars or just one execute?

[@PinkAutumn26]

How does Runaan's interact with Mel passive?

[@bmbm1]

I thought only her ult was the execute, why the auto attacks?

[@antheli0n]

The egg got boiled

[@thewildhealer541]

"You know what? Let's just ignore this and pump more champions into the game endlessly. You can't have too much spaghetti, yum yum" - Riot (probably)

[@Schumilex5]

I mean to be fair, i play the game simce season 6 or something and yeah i am bored and i want more champs. Sometimes i find myself scrolling and thinking what to play and just nothing comes to mind then i exit.

[@Arilleria]

there is a skill that thru zac passive too just like that egg, i forgot to record it

[@realitate666]

We are feasting with spaghetti again I see 🙂

[@Victor_Gabriele]

Well, one thing is important and no one said yet: Mel flashed to get the kill, so she was fully aware of this interaction, which is wild.

[@Rekoyuu]

Works as intended in my book. Now onto the next $250 gacha skin

[@yez1062]

Coding an execute is hard

[@menchoxe5544]

Oh no the 3 Anivia players must be so upset

[@Kazzit_Chang]

Yep, they count it as 4x stacks even if u hit one?

[@quesora5740]

how many hours until arurf online in

[@LeMister]

She also 1 hits Jhin traps. I wonder if it works with shaco Boxes or teemo shrooms

[@nakladanycandat1128]

This is like extremely fucking rage enduring as fucking multibilionare company must fucking find OBVIOUS bugs through youtube channels and community. Crazy fucking stuff.

[@hhff8534]

fyi this is on PBE. it's supposed to be for testing and bugs are expected.

[@nathanmello4407]

Can y'all simply not think? Yes, the thing added to the *play test server* is in the testing phase still. It would be bizarre if it were finished.

[@nakladanycandat1128]

@ No that is not how game development works :DD You are supposed to have public testing for specific nieche cases that are impossible to replicate with closed testing enviroment. Testing executes on champs that have some sort of invurnability, is not made for public testing, that is made with the feature in form of testing plan.

[@nathanmello4407]

@@nakladanycandat1128 - Which is specifically why the character works almost completely as intended, with some outliers. The only 'major' one missing was Urgot ult not being recastable, but that was just because they shipped the wrong version to PBE. Anivia is obviously an exception to the rule considering that Mel can't execute characters that can't be executed - which is actually a problem with Anivia, not Mel. Anivia seems to receive special treatment from coding to stop her from being properly executed - something that they forgot to consider in this specific case to add to Mel's skill. This was an overlook.

[@nakladanycandat1128]

@@nathanmello4407 Basic champ to champ interactions are not this case and I refuse to believe in that

[@HienLeGia]

At least they'll HAVE TO Update Anivia now. So that's the Upside.

[@FallBringer3]

Can Mel deflects Zac blobs passive?

[@comedordetraps7337]

"Wadafa-" 🗣️🗣️🗣️🔥🔥🔥

[@LintuWaterfall-ey9xo]

what about with Kog'Maw?

[@rezopolis]

All 14 Anivia players around the globe are deeply disappointed 😭🙏

[@denotion]

Mel didn't need an execute

[@khier-eddinehennaoui9783]

RIP Bloblets 😢

[@Hari_Espenton]

Обратите внимание, то что добивание Мэл не наносит 9999 чистого урона, это другой вид добивания и поэтому я думаю оно с ошибками.

[@vergil246]

finally no more immortal bird

[@meinardsl]

Mel will make all 2 of the remaining Anivia mains quit.

[@natahlica]

When is she coming?

[@Vandiril]

tomorrow

[@ДмитрийКорниенко-ь2ь]

Can you kill Zac whiz passive, on Renata W. Zac pasive waist. It is true???

[@2BsYummySoles]

again my problem with this isn't valuability. Counter picks are a thing but its one thing to not want to R because you know it'll be deleted. Its an entirely other thing to not want to because it puts said spell against you. If its OP or not doesn't matter just think that's shit design. Nullifying a spell is one thing, never wanting to cast it because W exist and it can kill yourself is another. basically a teamwide Fiora parry

[@archie4240]

anniva passive was already useless since it revives me much longer than morgana stun

[@redmayoelentrenador7802]

1:43 wtf