Vanguard Cadets '17 - Cheezy Poofs & Stick Control (Bellflower, CA July 16, 2017)

Vanguard Cadets play Cheezy Poofs & Stick Control in the lot in Bellflower, CA on July 16, 2017.

[@timdahl]

Great stuff! OG, love it.

[@nickjackson1993]

Rennick hands playing Gusseck beats. I dig it.

[@popeyesailor9571]

I love that Gusseck is being honored these days.

[@Last_one_before_I_go]

Sound pretty damn sharp !

[@jackesquenazi7496]

no backsticks ;(

[@jeromieb038]

Are those drum kit bases on the grass?

[@bellabice7512]

godly

[@thinktank8389]

First strokes appear loose. Is this intentional?

[@kerrychen3015]

hiiii

[@maxalvarado726]

god tear

[@GIXNBTRXB]

Sheets?

[@cptclear0738]

anyone else seeing center snares twin

[@rr7firefly]

Amazing how they also stay in step. That swaying side to side... Is it unusual (and difficult) to play accelerando? Who keeps time then?

[@dogs6faces591]

Even at higher tempos most groups will mark time to them. They’ll need to move at that tempo so they’ll also mark time when they’re not on the move. I’ve had to move and play at 210 before. I’ve also seen groups change from quarter note feet to half note feet if the speed is too uncomfortable with quarter note feet.

[@jasonlunstrum9599]

lol are those twins on snare?

[@Aledennis]

Yes 😃

[@lonple6858]

he did the tap off from that famous video lol

[@bobbarksofficial4335]

333 likes!

[@l0af_o]

Did they just ghost flam?

[@hayd3ni]

I got the sheets Josh lmao

[@drumcorps0junkie]

I've found the non-Rennick original scv sound and look that should be scv currently.

[@Inspadave]

Absolutely. They should go back to the old ways that weren't working. G_d forbid the Vanguard changing the way they do things for the better.

[@foxjumper]

I'm totally fine with vanguard cadets taking over where gusseck left off. He pretty much passed the torch to brohard anyways considering he's from that era (despite marching BD). I don't agree SCV should be this line anymore though. I know Rennick dropped anything that actually had a groove but they are cleaner now than when gusseck and his line won in '04.

[@socrates6923]

Idk, this group looks like a Rennick group to me. They're just playing two throwback warmups.

[@Ebidle]

57fairlane well actually Rennicks parts for the shows groove anyway. Whether or not they’re super complex and hard like BDs bull crap they’re still fucking groovey. And yeah sure Gussecks warmups grooved but I love Rennicks books as much if not maybe more than some of gussecks

[@falc0n717]

Hate that they completely missed the point of stick control. Every single one of them floats their stick after the single note

[@zachahr2094]

Why would floating the stick equate to missing the point? What do you believe is the point of stick control? Just genuinely curious.

[@kobevo4070]

Zachary Ahr Right? If anything, the rebound stroke should make both hands sound even more similar. I’m curious to hear his reasoning though haha

[@zRhid]

It's to help you be more consistent with your downstrokes and upstrokes. Granted there are fewer upstrokes here but when you entirely miss the goal of differentiating your strokes between accent, tap, and legato. Granted, this exercise works a bit better when your accent strokes emphasize moeller which Rennick lines do not do. So then it's not that they *completley* missed the purpose of the *entire* exercise, because you are still practicing the consistency of your legato stroke, but half of that purpose is lost.

[@kainatseway3379]

I agree. To put this in prospective, how many times do you actually use one stroke type in an excerpt of show music? Almost everything has a mixed batch of strokes, so why would you treat the exercise any differently? The exercise is about controlling the stick, but to take that one step further, I like to say it's about controlling the stick to such a high degree that you can play different stroke types and get the same sound. Because it happens all the time in show music.