NEW Black Templars Detachment Overview

[@braverzero3709]

You guys have been consistently putting out the best Grotmas review content. Great work! Excellent way to keep up with them and understand the rules.

[@braverzero3709]

Maybe next year flash the actual strategem/ enhancement graphics across the screen once or twice maybe in the corner when you're talking about them!

[@RSBurgener]

Well...I was waiting to see this before I start writing my homebrew detachment. I appreciate the encouragement, GW! Lots of ideas about what to do and what NOT to do!

[@TheBlightspawn]

Back to me daydreaming about a detachment focused on Standard Bearers giving off cool Auras.

[@im2randomghgh]

Honestly a lot of the buffs in this detachment had the right idea but were just too weak. All it would take would be: - +2" move, advance and charge - -1AP in melee - 4++ against shooting And then swap the precision attacks buff out for literally anything else, make the FNP against mortals 4+, and make the "extra chant" strategem activate another one in addition rather than instead of. That would be comparable to RC imo.

[@RSBurgener]

I didn't appreciate it at the time, but the build your own chapter rules in 9th edition was really cool. It was ripe for competitive abuse, but I wish they had ported it over. Oh well, I guess you can always just write your own and let your opponent approve it.

[@catherinedalzell3183]

This looks as if it was intended to buff the big primaris crusader squad units. Sad that GW just nerfed that unit to the tune of 40 pts. This detachment would have been OK with the points values of the start of the edition, but not now. Also, if you play Black Templar units, you forgo the improvement to Oath of Moment. I'm not sure that Templars are competitive in any detachment at the moment. Please prove me wrong.

[@shadowplotter]

you can still field 6 x 20 man bricks with 80 points left over :P thats good enough for a warlord lol

[@Optionvideo209]

@@shadowplotter 320 points. Fk off

[@im2randomghgh]

Templars are definitely competitive in RC, Firestorm, and Gladius. A squad of reivers with an Lt in RC can be buffed so hard they have around a 50/50 chance to kill Angron from full strength, nvm the actual melee damage dealers.

[@Optionvideo209]

@im2randomghgh you clearly don't know wtf you're talking about.

[@ken4ger289]

Hey guys, i love all of your vids, but as a demons player i feel bad for not seeing their 4 new detachments reviewed. Are there any videos planned? Thx for all your effort!

[@andyleeds4]

I had set a low bar for BT to be pleased. As just wanted some variety away from Righteous C, but GW managed to get under that bar somehow

[@brianp6859]

Yeah, the stratagems really let this detachment down. It still wouldn't be too bad if RC didn't exist lol

[@az9baillie]

Precision against Necrons characters is extremely helpful.

[@josiahburkhardsmeier3119]

Quite disappointed with this detachment. Every section I read I had hope it would turn around, but each section (rule, enhancements, and strats) was a disappointment. Really wanted some strat for either lance, lethal, or sustained to try and keep it at a somewhat similar power level to righteous crusade. Also sad the ignore modifier strat didn’t ignore minus damage. An enhancement for no overwatch would have been great. Back to the wait for the codex.

[@im2randomghgh]

That ignore mods Strat not helping with damage is brutal. -1 damage abilities absolutely ruin SB, which are our main melee unit.

[@Onkel_Ranger]

Getting over the threshold with +1S and then +1 to wound with attached chaplains is the way. Suddenly chainswords are wounding a lot on 2+

[@alexrowson-brown6568]

3+ on termies 4+ to custodies 2+ to meq or worse Ehhhh I think you had enough volume to throw into stuff anyway

[@MajorMiscreant]

But assault infercessors on an objective are re-rolling wounds anyway and with a captain instead of the chap that just makes sustained so much better for the unit. Then also pop your free Strat from the captain for extra AP

[@im2randomghgh]

No bonus to AP really hurts them. At AP -2 with lethal and sustained even reivers can be damage dealers.

[@MajorMiscreant]

@@im2randomghgh which is why a Captain is so much better for that 0cp extra AP strat in Righteous Crusaders

[@illiteratebrian1707]

World Eaters players dying of thirst at this point 😭

[@alexrowson-brown6568]

The red thirst

[@jamesandrews92]

This stuff doesn’t just buff the black Templars characters, it can be done on a non character led unit as well

[@PTurbo4th]

I personally don't think the 1cp precision to the UNIT (that is 2cp in Vanguard Spearhead) is useless. It is situational, but on some big unit with 2 characters (orks, necrons, etc...) this can be quite clutch. Remove the 1 or 2 characters, then thin the herd.

[@Mursaat666]

I feel like this detachment would have worked with the Adepta Sororitas.

[@Grilli_paints]

As a Templar player, im a bit sad, gw keeps nerfing us and then releases one of the worst detachments for grotmas. Very sad

[@t1kosuave]

No advance and charge? Our most expensive enhancement is a once per game fights first? WE ONLY HAVE 1 COMBAT STIM? Seems meh...

[@cyrocloud]

It kind of reminds me of when the custodes codex came out.

[@dirtyblonde1011]

Seems kinda like a slightly less good sidegrade of GTF...not bad, but could definitely be stronger if over half the things are restricted to only 7 potential targets...

[@shadowplotter]

i thought including all characters in your black templar army gives them the black templar faction keyword

[@muratferguson4534]

No. Thats 9th edition. You can have access to improved oath of moments

[@shadowplotter]

@muratferguson4534 not the improved one no, "if your army does not include one or more black templar, blood angels, dark angels, deathwatch or space wolves"

[@muratferguson4534]

@@shadowplotter WRONG wording my friend. Look closer - they say KEYWORD. Then look what does our detachments say. ONLY a few units have the Black TEmplar keyword thats Helbrecht, Grimaldus, Emperors Champion, Castellan, Marshal, Crusader Squad and Primaris Crusader Squad, Sword Brethren and all vehicles with MM.

[@shadowplotter]

@@muratferguson4534 im aware of that, was originally going to postabout that, thing is if your not playing with those characters you might as well be playing as an army that also gets that benefit or at least say they are another army. Sorry your first comment made it sound like the non keyworded units still had access to it with keyworded characters in the army still, at least to me

[@brandonpierce4615]

lol right up until your Dante brick charges the fight first unit then you pop precision and ruin someone’s whole day seems brutal to me

[@jamielole2938]

It's hard not to be disappointed by this detachment 😥 I understand the need to introduce a new/different way to play the army but with a choice of gladius or righteous crusaders arlready why would you ever take this. I dont think it would have taken much to actually make it strong and themaric without being too powerful. Obviously there will be strong detachments and weaker ones in the grotmas release, but it's hard when it's your army on the bottom rungs. BTs are the largest and potentially strongest chapter in the lore and it doesn't feel reflected. The righteous crusade is eternal! (Unfortunately)

[@RSBurgener]

I feel like GW is just gun-shy about certain factions, and BT is one of them. They're afraid to give them too much so they've just wasted everyone's time with this.

[@jamielole2938]

@RSBurgener yeah definitely agree. After seeing some really fun themed detachments I was really hoping that we'd get the same, maybe in the form of a chaplain focused one. Kind of like how the new BA one is focused around characters and heroes. There seemed to maybe be a lack of enthusiasm here lol in my not so professional opinion they really fell off the mark

[@13cowsonagrasshill93]

Why is everyone complaining? Would you all prefer to get nothing until your codex?

[@Optionvideo209]

@@13cowsonagrasshill93 it's almost nothing. We can't even really play it. That's the entire point, jesus man.

[@cmtz2098]

It's a win at least since it won't be in the codex 😂

[@Optionvideo209]

@@cmtz2098 dude I'll take it if that's true. That's real talk. Sadly that's the best thing about it.

[@13cowsonagrasshill93]

@@Optionvideo209 that’s fair, but remember there are worse fates. Black Templars aren’t getting axed anytime soon.

[@13cowsonagrasshill93]

@@Optionvideo209 I do hope Black Templars gets a fun codex soon, I want everyone to enjoy it.

[@Optionvideo209]

Worst christmas detatchment by a country mile.

[@BigWhiskey09]

😂 nah not even close. This detachment is at least usable with some pretty good rules that apply to all Black Templar keyword units, with a couple decent enhancements and a decent enough selection of strats for the most part. There are some detachments that aren't even playable from the Grotmas drop

[@thunderwarrior2459]

Complete trash

[@optionallemon9262]

How?

[@AlchemyNZ]

Disappointing and bland without any of the tools of other detachments.

[@Adamantos-Elean]

ew, space christians.

[@Optionvideo209]

@@Adamantos-Elean stop calling catholics Christians. And upwards of 130 MILLION Christians died in Russia a while back so why don't you do some research next time instead.