Why No One Likes The Jungler | League of Legends

[@SketchBookShortFilms]

playing jungle like being on a basketball team and having you worry about your teammates swatting the ball out of your hand too.

[@glenndiddy]

You don't like top laners farming your raptors after dying 1v1? I thought it was a cool random event where you 4 turret plates, first blood tower and your top side jungle at the same time!

[@shadows_star]

It goes the same in lane though? Junglers frequently run down peoples laners. Invade with zero prio and then complain. A laner has to worry about their jungle knowing jack shit about anything. This is not even considering matchups that they don't even bother knowing.

[@asdasdae]

@@shadows_star the only match-up that matters in the jungle is rammus vs yi, everything else is unimportant. the fact that you even brought that up proves how you don't know shit about the role.

[@jongahimer5338]

@@asdasdae He was taking about junglers not knowing lane matchups. Like a jungler trying to force Grubs when you are playing Malphite into Mordekaiser. And then getting mad when you don’t rotate, or show up for their invades. For most players jg is just a mini-game. It ranks up there with support for lack of overall game knowledge.

[@inplane9970]

And playing a game with a Jungler that doesn't play around your side of the map is like playing basketball with one teammate permanently missing from the defense zone. Sure it's winnable with one person down, but the likelihood of being out-manned and getting scored on is very likely unless the opponents are equally incompetent.

[@LoveOryksNC]

Playing Jungle in League is like playing another game

[@tyronegundran4549]

Jungle feels like the teemo of all 5 roles

[@donovanarredondo2293]

As someone who pretty much 1 tricks jg whenever I play another lane for fun I realize how different the role is

[@atsukana1704]

@@donovanarredondo2293ya and I realize how much more I actually enjoy jungle

[@1dingerr]

Jungle is the most fun role, but you'll be using /muteall more than any other role. 1/4 games your botlane will die on their own before you've cleared 3 camps. Then, it's just "jg diff" and blaming you for having no dragons.

[@rudebox5688]

@@1dingerr The problem with that is that if you /muteall they can't see your pings either. So you have to rely on your laners to not be asleep when you're ganking. It's more effort but I just manually mute each persons chat

[@Lin_Nascimento]

The worst part of being a jungler, is that your lanes expect you to get stuff done, bot don't rotate to dragon, they farm is too important, oh you lost lane alone, well it's my fault that I didn't gank, I'm being invaded, well sucks for me because nobody is coming

[@krystians2016]

thats why im never asking for ganks and waiting for enemy ganks so i can double kill them sometimes i invade from top to help my jgler or give other players time and some info as toplaner ofc

[@Drakshl]

Conversely the problem with being an adc with bad jugglers is they just decide it's time to come bot and do drake when you have a big wave being pushed into you, they ping it twice then start it, you can't rotate, they then die to the enemy jungle and support an dose the dragon to. The issue is that for jungle to be able to do anything, they have to be good AND the circumstances in the sidelines have to be right, ultimately is a role with a huge variance in game impact and agency, a bad combination of factors can lead to a jungle who only serves the enemy, but in the opposite case their moves can win the game.

[@Slothmymango]

Right? They don't understand the difference between picks. I had a game where I ganked 3 lanes as j4 got them ahead but since I spend time ganking I was behind xp and nocturne got 6 and killed them. Suddenly all my early pressure they forgot and proceeded to flame me instead.

[@zachtemoro2116]

@@Drakshlas a Bot laner who quit and went to Jng and Top, if your wave management is that horrid where you have 2 waves crashing at the same time, thats not the fault of your Jngler or your Support. Getting a Double Kill is way more important than the wave you couldn’t manage crashing. At that point its clear you other laner is winning lane, so denying them gold and EXP is more important for the entire team than it is for specifically you. Plus if they are already strong enough to completely destroy your lane management then you need a gank anyway. More than likely they already have a bounty and no matter who gets it, its more advantageous as a whole than if you can’t CS. If you can’t CS at that point thats on you

[@diab0lic31]

Cry

[@gorgistanojevik3196]

My favourite is when Broxah, a literal pro player got flamed in bronze for being a dogshit jungler.

[@elrond7887]

“NA players don’t care about winning”. I felt his pain

[@centipedekid9824]

​@@elrond7887they don't

[@risy95]

It's like when your written speech is on a big screen but you don't notice and butcher it.

[@elgatochurro]

I mneed to see this video lol

[@MrVG-qt8ob]

"With the new jungle items almost any champion that is not support can play jungle" - Jungle Blitzcrank running at you at mach jesus

[@lillyie]

funny considering recently they took away blitz's jungle capabilities

[@atomickarate3421]

Nautilus can still ball out

[@Andyisgodcky]

@@atomickarate3421 I thought Naut was designed as a jungler though, so I'd expect him to be ok there.

[@frankwill7137]

Rell sobbing in the corner

[@atomickarate3421]

@@frankwill7137 yeah they did not have to do her that dirty. She fell out of the meta on her own during the new season/grub changes

[@michaelcemhalicioglu3209]

Playing jungle is just psychological pressure. Regardless of whether you are winning or loosing, your teammates usually blame jungle for most mistakes. You might gank their lane, but if you take a kill, you will get spammed with pings. You have an unsuccessful gank, pings. You are taking a camp and a laner dies, pings. I feel like you have play to 4 others players needs "perfectly", which is downright impossible, making the game nothing but agony. It is a very important role, but you need to be very patient to play it as I think most players are only considering themselves rather than the general state of the game, making you the direct target to blame for anyone's mistakes

[@johnebbers5170]

the mute all button is my crack cocaine as a jungler

[@wifres]

Wow the funny thing is as soon as I started to play it immediately went to jungle and that was like 4 to 5 mths and I'm still getting whooped 😅.

[@Notcosmicfire]

You need to have the mental strength of a monk Lee sin is popular for this very reason

[@Stanzbey69]

That’s why i play qiyana jungle. Easy ganks and people who are not braindead will not get tilted because qiyana can snowball Hard

[@edde2429]

I think League of Legends has a problem of it being almost borderline impossible to have fun if you're not really strong in the game making so that everyone that isn't the one carrying the game really mad at everyone who could have helped them, regardless of it being a good use of time or not to help them.

[@nateriver5769]

Unfortunately, people don't know that junglers need to farm, they expect junglers to have 10 cs per minute by standing still near all 3 lanes, while they play under the enrmy tower, so when they mess up, the jungler can score a pentakill every 5 minutes

[@pinstripe5487]

“It is not my job to win lanes for you.” is a sentiment I have said and stand by. I can help lanes, but I have to win my lane too, I can’t hold your hand the entire game because you can’t manage waves or take good trades. Learn your lane before you come for mine.

[@DarthNVious]

That is mostly why I play Karthus. Whenever someone complains, F all of you. No more ults for the whole game.

[@StarChargerStudios]

@@DarthNViousI run gp jungle and when I get people flaming me for not ganking, I ult their wave. There, ganked.

[@DarthNVious]

@@StarChargerStudios I like that so much.

[@megalowie1324]

​@@DarthNViousDear Karthus...

[@inplane9970]

Likewise as a Support, it's not my job to make up for the Jungler's lack of macro presence. I have my own lane to win and ADC to help. If you're playing some doodoo early game champ like Kindred or Evelynn and complaining that the enemy is countering you, then too bad honestly.

[@UmbralScythe]

best mechanic i learned as a jg player is /mute all

[@vivy5588]

🤣

[@Nikos-AggelosKritikakis]

I mute them and report everyone before the game starts

[@Friops]

The only way to keep mental sanity

[@huntersuper98]

"The jaded jungle veteran" is a trope in the League community for a reason. When you have 4/5 of the roles constantly breathing down your neck 24/7 it's hard not to get pissy sometimes.

[@1dingerr]

One of my favorite IGNs I've seen is "12 years a jg".

[@yournewmessiah3582]

And something I never understood was the lanes not supporting their jungle when they need help, or even just helping them early take blue/red at start As a support/bot main, the amount of times I've seen junglers being happy just for my small helps that laners should do by default is just saddening

[@Brojeejaksonflaxinwaxin]

​@@yournewmessiah3582what's crazy is you see in high Elo how much laners play around their jungle, collapse on invades etc and yet in low elo, there is no understanding of this. Playing around your jungle can open up so many windows to get ahead but many laners just don't understand that concept. As a jungler myself, I feel that it is the laners job to keep an eye on where their own jungler is at all times and play accordingly. Play safe when I'm across the map, rotate to defend against invades if possible, and when I ping that I'm coming to gank, position in a way to receive the gank! Those three things make such a big difference, but laners seem to be clueless of those concepts most of the time.

[@maciej2c]

* every single lane push to tower, every single lane fed, "no ganks, jungle dif"

[@OG_ALviK]

Theses only one truth, the bot lane that hard pushes early almost always loses mid&late.

[@Sabithail]

track enemy jungler and countergank him is only response to that.

[@jstpxl]

Dear jungle mains and support mains, I truly deeply and sincerely appreciate you and your time, essentially holding the blame and pain from the rest of the team. I’m sorry you have to carry such a burden, but just know that it isn’t without respect. Thank you for all your help and everything you do. Throwing no shade to other lanes as I’m a top lane main. We have our own pieces to the puzzle but I believe those two roles are the most pivotal. Love to everyone Sincerely, Top Laner

[@hors3g1rl94]

Dear top laner, I'm a support main and thank you for this. I main Yuumi (I know, I know, not the most beloved champion, but she can be played well), and I constantly get hate for it. It's difficult to try and explain to them that I'm not trolling or anything, just trying to play. I have mastery 10 on Yuumi and I get about one S rank every five games, the others usually coming in at A. I truly play well and deal more damage than the enemy support almost every game. I don't like muting people, but every little mistake I make - even one that isn't major and doesn't actually cost anyone their life or a kill - I get spammed and pinged for by the adc. Sometimes they try to hate on me for not doing something I literally couldn't do due to cooldowns or lack of mana, and when I politely try to explain that there was nothing I could have done, they just start insulting me without reason (I usually mute them when this happens, but it's still annoying). I think people don't realize that the support role is also difficult to play psychologically due to always being watched by the adc. Sincirely, Support Laner

[@jstpxl]

@@hors3g1rl94 I couldn’t agree more, well spoken of you. Recently I’ve had a conversation with one of your people, they claim the same thing that you do. After watching him play live, I’ve seen the disrespect that is addressed towards you guys. It’s unfair yet you guys continue to do it, because nobody else will. We can never be thankful enough.

[@intimorin360]

​@@hors3g1rl94Honestly and really honestly I'm sorry but u play Yuumi. If it was ANY others champs I would say u don't deserve all the hate...but act yes u deserve it completly.

[@briannaphillips3633]

​@@intimorin360Disrespect incoming! 😂 The game's meant for fun. If she wanna play yuumi, heck, if I wanna play Kayle JG, it's a game. It's meant to have fun. Chill out. If you tilt just because she playing yuumi, I think you need a different game?

[@intimorin360]

@@briannaphillips3633 Imagine being so selfish that for the sake of ur fun 4 players have to endure and tryhard even more bc u decide to have fun.

[@lillyie]

jungle has to be the role where even if you do your job correctly, your team still finds a way to blame you

[@DayzedTransceiver]

Yes...bc you took "their" kill...and you are "annoying" them with dragon and baron pings. If you have a successful gank bot lane, but top lane gets successfully dove by the enemy jungler at the same time...then its your fault for not being in 2 different places at the same time.

[@Slothmymango]

What I dislike as a jg main is that if you aren't one of Riots selected 5 champions for the season you will always be weaker than the power picks they want for the meta. Furthermore, I dislike when they make a champion strong for a patch just to nerf them worse then they were before. I wish riot would have a more consistent jg experience.

[@Sebastian-oz1lj]

you are meta slave

[@abaren730]

Tbf that’s kinda Riot balance overall. They’ve been frustratingly close this season, but then they consistently just fumble spectacularly. Most recent example being rework Skarner having the bones of old Skarner, but still being completely unrecognizable. And half of that is numbers and really weird design choices.

[@MrHurican1]

Tbh the Jungle overhauls every season are really Killing me

[@YuYuYuna_]

That's not exclusive to Jungle dude. This happens to every other role as well. Some metas/seasons Tank supports are trash, some metas enchanters are OP and must-pick. Other metas champs like Jinx and Zeri and Aphelios are top tier picks, other metas Jhin, Ashe, Varus, Kalista are meta. It happens to every role. Riot intentionally rotates around what is strong because otherwise the game would be incredibly stale and also not every champ can be viable at the same time. There are matchups that are just straight up hard counters.

[@1dingerr]

That's every role. Right now, there's only like ~5 very strong mid laners. Whoever is strong in carry roles will impact who is viable in the jungle and who can best synergize with those champs

[@idontlikekmart5582]

"I don't want to play jungle, I want to play League of Legends" - (Ha)shinshin after getting autofilled jungle

[@supermarty564]

As a jungle main, my hot take is that jungle isn't as impactful early game as people think. I've camped lanes and helped lanes immensely and they still manage to blow that lead. Then blame me anyways.

[@gui4816]

It's impactful on a psychological level. If you gank mid and end up dying before 5mins your laner will believe the game is over, stop trying and start flaming you

[@alexguyson129]

see some of it is on you tho you’re ahead with whatever lane your helpings dominate so it’s up to you AND the other lane who’ve you spammed helped

[@tristan6773]

yeah. you gank to get yourself ahead. not your laner. that guy sucks and if he gets the kill push the wave under tower with him to suck up his juicy xp and cs

[@SoupTurtle16]

Think of jungle as an amplifier, if your guys good he will snowball if your guys bad he will lose no matter what just slower.

[@Francoenter]

Yeah, jg is only impactful in high elo were people capitalize said advantage. Low elo? Top lane fuckers manage to die 3 times before min 5 to a Fiora/Darius and the game is already over.

[@mestermariann3570]

That Baus viewer joke gave me a good giggle

[@tyronegundran4549]

I mean as toplaners, who wouldn't?

[@pan_recien_hecho9866]

​@@tyronegundran4549agree

[@camrynsaxton9672]

Immediately paused video and went to the moment section lmao

[@azucoa8399]

Same haha

[@iremainunimpressed1589]

Who said its a joke.. theyre toxic and deserves bans.. and so does he

[@linusandersen5608]

the worst part (imo) is this: when your laners overextend / dont ward / don't play around jungle timings and then die in a gank, the blame is on you, although you had ZERO to do with that. Your laner created the opportunity and the enemy jungle took advantage of that, but you are still the one to blame somehow. So instead of being measured by the opportunitys you took vs. missed, you get measured by the opportunitys the enemy jungler took, which you (again) have nearly zero control over... thats the reason i play support now. If my adc ints a fight he more often than not has the decency to not blame his support, while this self-awareness is not present at all in laner to jungler relationships, at least that's what it feels like.

[@brandonsommer6695]

nothing beats my top laner counting in chat how many times the enemy jungle has come top (and then doubling it ofc) while having 0 vision score

[@linusandersen5608]

@@brandonsommer6695 exactly xD

[@glenndiddy]

I will danger ping a laner if I see a gank coming, but I can count on 1 hand the times they actually backed off. Most of the time they just die, and I get hit with the, if you knew they would gank why didn't you cover. My brother in christ I just finished diving the enemy bot, please I can't teleport top to save your stupid ass

[@CaioSantos-yn5kb]

Playing jungle makes me feel like whatever i do is my fault, which is true but it just makes me feel sad, until i play Master yi, then people think im smurfing

[@cosmichaze1482]

I feel you on that one, Yi definitely makes jg feel so much nicer or any similar champion for that matter

[@wolfulf3339]

As a jungle main I don't give a crap about what my laners think, if they help me when I'm getting invaded it's a + , if they communicate and help set upp objectives I will gank the hell out of that lane. If my enemy is yi I will counter jungle and make his life hell. Most yi players are the defenition of cowardly players ether way sitting in a bush waiting to kill me on top side buff.

[@edrickmaldonado9291]

@@cosmichaze1482agreed, only constant in every game is you, unless you’re duoing, but the only thing you can control is yourself. So I’d rather just farm up with a hyper carry jungle and shit on everyone late game. It’s the only reason I ever picked up Yi or Bel’veth. Can’t trust teammates to be useful so just be a monster and carry.

[@darkwolfyy6798]

@@wolfulf3339 I've noticed that the higher rank I get, the more observant my laners are of the map. I'll often ping an expected invade and they actually show up. Sometimes they're quicker to ping the potential invade which is really nice. This is around Diamond.

[@ajlaguna7880]

As a support jungle main , I feel like I'm playing chess and I got 4 backseat players. One actually touching my pieces

[@YugoShokan-t8w]

The most annoying part about the role by far is your team thinking you can do everything yourself. The amount of times i tell someone I can't gank them because they don't even try to clear vision or buy a single control ward drives me insane. I need help setting up an objective? Sorry mid laner needed that extra caster minion instead of helping me with the 2v1 in river. Dragon is up but bot did not even set up a single ward for it? Guess its my fault for not placing 10 control wards before hand

[@iremainunimpressed1589]

Bro.. I rarely ever.. And I mean ever.. In platinum 3 get a support who actuslly uses the wards.. its disgusting

[@r0yce]

Wards? You mean...you mean other roles get wards tooo??? WHaaaaat? And and they're supposed to help you??? Brooo what did you smoke? You're supposed to be at 3 lanes and farming camps at the same time while invading both sides.

[@bemtheman1100]

as a jungle main. I think the best thing you can ever do is mute all. No matter what you will do unfortunately people will flame, but it comes with the role. If you mute all you can keep your head in the game and make decisions from your own knowledge that you can then iterate on as you learn right and wrong. If you have pings and comments on you never will know if you are making good or bad plays because its all influenced by your teams pings, you need to establish a good internal thermometer on what is a good and bad play.

[@sortilien2099]

Fill main here. Lately i'm 80% jungle 19% adc

[@ryu8942]

Yeah you might wanna learn Kindred for those games 😂

[@sortilien2099]

@@ryu8942 infortunate i'm only good at gank lvl 3 jungle (rek'sai, elise, new skarner...)

[@MrDT2012]

@@sortilien2099add J4

[@ryu8942]

@@sortilien2099 believe it or not but Kindred has really solid level 3 ganks

[@alexguyson129]

you don’t have to gank lvl 3 every game that actually puts you back if you don’t get your kill

[@notyouraccount6038]

I became a jungle one trick, because I hate geting auto fulled.

[@IndigoProphecy]

Jg role is the only reason I play lol. Lanes in this game are trash. Dota 2 so much better.

[@john-ve1hi]

Ancient problems require ancient solutions

[@notyouraccount6038]

@@IndigoProphecy I dont remenber how to lane.

[@ambannedfrombeinghuman2263]

@@notyouraccount6038 Same. Once got autofilled in Mid for some damn reason and I picked Orianna and I was just, struggling to understand how to lane. We still won but I will never play Mid again

[@StephGoKrazy]

@@IndigoProphecycan you teach me how to play dota 2?

[@ibrahim5463]

Jungle is the opposite of ADC Each role has an amount of game knowledge and champion knowledge, ADC require champion knowledge while jungle needs a lot of game knowledge, you need to know the optimal clear spawn timer when to invade when to gank when to counter gank and know the WAVE STATE AND LANE STATE of of solo laners does my toplaner need help pushing do i need to cover for my midlaner so he won't get dived etc, support is like that but far less taxing mentaly, as jungler you have to keep track of the whole game wich is a lot

[@anthonylulham3473]

Jungle is also the role that has evolved most and most frequently. A season four jungler looks around now and questions wtf different dragons do, the point of grubs and where is the wraith or elder lizard. This season we have three different barons. You can pilot the herald. Exploding plants? Its wild. Support is basically the same since season 3 by comparison.

[@MattHatter360]

Support main here, I can assure you support is completely different from season 3 (I started playing on season 5). I completely agree that jungle is the role that changed the most over time, but support is the second one at that. Keep in mind that we need to rotate for the same objectives that you guys have to worry about, and (just like jungle) we are the only other role with items designed specifically for the role and I can assure you that they changed completely a few times from season 5. All of that being said, jungle changes the most and the most often out of all the roles.

[@Ninguin]

@@MattHatter360I remember back to when support got one item and it was wards lmao

[@Hopp3rTx]

As an old jungler I still don’t know what all the dragons do. I just have to know they’re important 😅

[@Sabithail]

i wonder what u would say to s15 :D

[@ryelyndesch1018]

The comment you made about not being able to autopilot is so real. I can’t even listen to music when I jungle I feel like I have to use 100% of my brain to be competitive. Overcoming this took me a while to master but there’s so many micro decisions you have to make every game it’s insane.

[@BrookTheUndeadDM]

The worst part about being a jungle main is the fact that if you don't go 13/0 in the first 30 seconds of the game, you fall behind. There was a video I watched of a high elo jungle player where he went 4/1 10 minutes in and he had completed 1 and 1/2 items. Meanwhile, his 0/4 Ashe ADC had the same farm as the jungle and the same item progression. The fact that jungle can farm perfectly, get kills in lanes, put their laners in a winning position, get objectives, etc. Yet a losing lane can still keep up in gold by just having equal farm. Jungle camps don't give enough gold

[@ingamrvr]

My friends insist jungle would be perfect for me because there "would be no lane opponent." (I complain about champ design often.) Yeah, man. Let me play the role where my opponent tracks me like a UAV while I constantly get indecisive about what to do because the role is open-ended as hell. That definitely won't lead to frustration.

[@penis_owner]

Just make wrong decisions confidently

[@cahallo5964]

Huge skill issue

[@ingamrvr]

@@cahallo5964 Keep parroting that. Being capable of something doesn't automatically make it fun. Jungle, or any role in League, isn't universally fun. Not everyone will enjoy every role, or champ for that matter, regardless of how well they perform with it.

[@robqwert2696]

The guy is correct and yet you are getting mad. With such a short fuse, i potentially feel bad for your teammates

[@ingamrvr]

@@robqwert2696 Meh, you're making assumptions there. I hardly touch chat in League, if I do it's to reply. I'm done with League anyway, I came back to it in 2019 because some of my friends were really into it. It was ok for a bit but it never got more fun. It became more and more to hang out, and less for actual fun gameplay. I've tried jungle, believe me, I did. I just don't like it. I don't like summoner's rift anymore either. Winning isn't fun, losing isn't fun, I'm just over it.

[@gui4816]

The worst part of being a jungler is getting reported and subsequently restricted because you didn't gank an Olaf that was hugging the enemy tower when dragon was up

[@MrCarnage117]

With great power comes great responsibility, and being responsible for disabled narcissists is never fun as they are the definition of fair weather friends.

[@nostalji93]

Well articulated. I think you are spot on. Competitive lol does attract extremely delusional people addicted to dominate others. Narcissists.

[@eranoszrill8907]

I love it when i'm still doing my first clear in the jungle and i already get flamed because one of the lanes died because they took a bad fight early.

[@Crihnoss]

2:36 minute mark. An ally has been slain. Enemy double kill. Oh here we go again... Mute mute mute mute

[@jamesbandz1]

I think another thing that burns my britches about jungling is the xp (or lack there of). I started playing on the mid to end of season 12 and at the time I hated but now looking back at it I enjoy how unforgiving it was but everything was worth more. I spent countless hours trying to perfect double camping and speed clears only for them to implement that stupid no double camping mechanic and removed heal off smite in S13.

[@ignacioruhe427]

Jungle is the role with the most impact in the game, but at the same time it’s the most impacted one by the other roles.

[@iremainunimpressed1589]

Perfect way to put it

[@NothinImportant]

Jungle being the most versatile role is also a double edged word. You can’t one trick the jungle, you have to be the composition completer. If there’s no tank you have to play the tank, no assassin you have to play the assassin, no magic damage you have to play magic damage (that last one feels like it’s the most common). This is why I feel like riot needs to make the other roles more diverse especially adc, to increase there impact and not make the jungle solely in charge of covering the weaknesses of the team

[@Nartanek]

They dont want adc to be diverse, they nerfed sera into the ground because she was played bot too often.

[@skylerfreeman1173]

But... they aren't? Mid has: assassins (ap and ad), ranged mages, fighters as well (yasuo, irelia, diana etc), support has tanks and mages.. top has all of the above lol. You could make this argument for any role that isn't adc tbh. Not many tanks mid tho without some offmeta thing (galio? vlad maybe?) but in that case there are tanks in top and sup. Plenty of people 1 trick the jg just like people 1 trick other roles regardless of matchups or teamcomp lol

[@worldiefeard8396]

fwiw botlane has plenty of both AP and even bruisers viable (courtesy of Senna existing letting a lot of bruiser/tanks able to basically be played botlane). Just most adc players are ... well... only capable of playing adcs and just don't know how to play other classes. Riot has already succeeded in making a bunch of "non marksmen" viable botlane (including Seraphine btw, she still has very high botlaner winrate), it's just that most adc players just... aren't capable of playing them

[@SoupTurtle16]

This couldnt be further from the truth. Jungle is the best role to one trick, you do not need to fill to your teams composition. The only thing with jungle is your win condition and the path to winning changes drastically depending on your team vs the enemy teams composition. If your comp sucks you just skirmish and avoid team fights, theres multiple objectives on the map at one given time theres no way the enemy team can afford to roam around as a group. If your team comp is good you focus on teamfighting. They are just different win conditions.

[@NothinImportant]

@@SoupTurtle16 I should clarify that I didn’t mean that as to say that one tricking isn’t an option, meant it as it will be harder than in other roles since generally in other roles the spread of champions is smaller in diversity with the exception of midlane which can cause problems when your team goes full AD with no tanks. And the enemy composition if better generally (unless the players are just bad) will leave little room to exploit any weaknesses to get the objectives in the first place. I see your point I just don’t think avoiding skirmishes particularly in longer games is very realistic in solo queue

[@MrLuismancei]

Jungle is a speed game, a lot of times a jungle wins, whoever has the tools to clear the objectives faster. And that can be overwhelming if you are in the wrong place in the wrong time. Example a Shaco starting grubs, while a Warwick is ganking the mid has to think is is worth the effort to risk it, knowing you don't have the speed to even get to the fight, or continuing with the farming

[@ianmorr222]

real. I definitely agree with this. although if you’re that Shaco, you would be around level 4-5 when ur taking grubbies and Shaco W rank 2 or 3 DESTROYS first spawn grubs. So all is not lost; maybe you’re relatively at the same speed as the ww ganking mid which could mean you can either join the fight if it’s still going on or potentially invade the ww and punish since Shaco is one of the best counter junglers rn.

[@arkokroeger9799]

Before i watch the video: i actually used to main adc before i recognized that my micro is probably too bad for it and switched to jungle for more macro-oriented play. And it feels far better to be honest than 0/10 before the laning phase even ends. I still have my bad games, but i also feel finally useful. I have time to think about my next play and just in general i like having some time free from the enemy. I feel like i plan, like i strategize, and It's just way more enjoyable for me personally. The wildcard aspect is also very interesting because jungle can basically be any kind of champ, which is good for counterpicking. Winning the game before it even starts is so satisfying. Edit: It might be the most mentally exhausting role in the game, but this only counts for macro-mental. Micro-mental is also very exhausting and depending on the player even worse than Macro, so there is a niche market for more macro thinking players.

[@imbored3782]

Literally describes my league experience

[@EternalPancake1]

In my experience, a lot of laners don't actually respect the jungler's decisions or understand why they may not do something even if given the chance. For example. Laning versus Darius or Illaoi, the jungler may not feel comfortable ganking them, yet players will spam ping them and request they gank them even at a disadvantage to the jungler because of the potential of a 2 v 1 when they can just keep farming. They therefore begin to flame their jungler when they don't take the option of simply ganking them. They fail to notice alternative routes like requesting the jungler absorb their wave instead while they back or perhaps the jungler is needed elsewhere and when they butthead with the junglers, they may start just ignoring each other entirely.

[@FabioKun]

Ganking a darius or Illaoi is PTSD enducing espcially at the level 5 range where they have the potential to reach 6

[@OG_ALviK]

Nothing makes my blood boil more than someone in my team making calls about objectives. Specifically baron. People often just cant comprehend how hard it is sometimes to secure it even with a gigantic lead over the other team. Not even a trolling, feeding or toxic laner is more infuriating than one that makes calls about objectives from their narrow and selfish point of view.

[@xeothian]

jungle also has the issue that riot keeps reworking the jungle on a fundamental level like every year making it way harder to learn since it changes all the time

[@toastedmarsh6185]

I mained jg last season but now sup with jg secondary. The main issue i have with jg is mental fatigue. Those games where your top laner dies 3 times before you even get the raptors. Those games where your team flames you for not ganking a monster of their own creation. Having to know what timings are coming up, tracking where everyone is, and so much more is so mentally exhausting

[@SoupTurtle16]

True, but jungle macro is much more fun than laning macro, where you focus on wave management.

[@toastedmarsh6185]

I agree that jg marco is way more fun. I don't wanna care about cs I wanna farm then go fight people. It's just that the curse of having game sense and map awareness is seeing all the cringe stuff your team does

[@Itchy__]

I get this. But as a tip (for all of league, not just jungle) turn off chat. Just do it. It's a net negative imo. For all the info it might give it takes its toll on you tenfold. Besides, pings work fine.

[@proliloli2141]

i was a jg main... now i just play roaming mid laners cause i can have the fun of ganks without the pain of everything else

[@hqhuy931]

I would say support in a few seasons ago was much like jungle: they are expected to protect the adc, roam, get vision, somehow win fights/save people, match enemy support and so on - Junglers now have more expectations because, unlike supports, they get an "easier" way to items, is not tied to a teammate, needs to appear for neutral objectives because smite, have less vision yet need to respond to enemy jungler - all of which makes it kinda rng if you play early game lee sin and others, and frustrating for the other 4 members if you want to power farm like yi or kindred

[@StonedDragons]

As a support main I'd agree with this, your scaling is inherently tied to someone who might very well play like they just had a lobotomy, bar a few permanent roamers, especially painful for hard scaling enchanters who require items (playing a sona with a ADC who just runs it down is pure pain as you can't even wave clear well). Jungle doesn't have that excuse, they have far more independent access to gold and additional buffs handed to them in order to farm efficiently without a minion wave to soak.

[@heidtb6746]

"report support, no item after 15 minutes"

[@atomickarate3421]

The weird thing about support is that a good support IS a second jungler. As their both roles that want the exact same thing except one has far more expectations.

[@OG_ALviK]

The difference being is that supports SOMETIMES are expected to do some of those things. While the jungler has to do always all of the above.

[@hqhuy931]

thats because junglers are often given more resources and independence than sup, which naturally means higher expectations

[@psycalibur4291]

As a full time jungle main, this video tells me everything I've been saying for years. But, at the same time, it will never educate the masses because they're not mature enough to be able to take partial blame in a team game.

[@skywalkerjohn8965]

Jg: 23/1/3 Solo 3 dragons, get 2 barons. Adc: 0/40/0, 2 cs, fighting 1v5. Team: Lost. Also team: Jg diff

[@sirreginaldfishingtonxvii6149]

I used to be a jungle main because laning felt boring. But after a while as I got better at the game and started fighting better players I realized I wasn't... Good enough to jungle well. It's very stressful, and there's a lot of things you need to keep track of. It's still my secondary role and I'm not bad at it, but Imma be real top is just way easier.

[@uros5530]

I'm a top main who started playing jungle because I got tired of jungle diff. I find jungle to be the easier role to play. Top is so punishing, one mistake and it's over

[@MrDT2012]

@@uros5530true. Top will snowball to hell and you can’t do anything. You can fuck up in jungle but still gank other lanes and get team ahead.

[@codyperry5427]

I find top easier tbh, from playing jungle I developed good macro, and I know not all junglera know how to manage waves too and i generally don’t have a problem with ganks because I am so used to the timings of enemy jungler sand play patterns I end up just wasting 2 players time instead of 1 trying to fight me

[@codyperry5427]

I find that jungle is easier to understand but a hard role to truly master, theirs so many more mind games to it, you don’t just understand how your lane works and the champions within the pools and their match up tables so that you know who to gank their power spikes and when it is safe to gank a lane on top of objectives and making sure that you are able to fame up as well

[@codyperry5427]

And you need to understand if the enemy will try to gank you early aka predator jungler and or go for the early gank, it requires you to have a very good understanding as well as keep an eye on the map constantly, or if they don’t fight you early on as your opponent may believe that your play to your strengths so they farm up early instead and you yourself may potentially slow down your farm or prepare yourself for a gank and or to gank yourself you might fill behind those junglera who then may be ahead of you now and try to fight you in your jungle now

[@thod345]

the times i have used that sentence “It is not my job to win lanes for you" people expect the jungler to to solo their fed laner for fun while being underleveled and no items to speak off

[@MrTalithan]

Yeah but you also can't use that role to not gank when an opportunity prevents itself. I cannot tell you how many times we're pushed under tower cuz the enemy bot has more pressure power but isn't fed and the jungle just hits us with that accursed phrase.

[@sweetshoez]

Nobody wants to play jungle because it’s not nearly as strong as people think it is if you play carry champs. You can be farming camps off spawn, 4 kills, 2 objectives, and enemy top laner 0/0/0 is up 3 levels on you and you cannot interact with them without your team helping you. Not to mention enemy jg will only be down 1 level on you because catch up EXP ruined the role. If this kind of lead happened in top lane game is 99% over…you’re up 3 levels and 5 plates on the entire lobby and you can probably 1v3. If you don’t have mid prio the game is unplayable, if enemy support actually leaves lane game is unplayable, there is straight up less CS available to get in the jungle, camp EXP is way lower than wave EXP, getting ganked is your own fault 90% of the time, gank timers can be known most laners just do whatever with their waves don’t ward and get mad if they get punished, you get out scaled by solo lane and ADC if they have peel, your summoner spell deals 20 damage when laners get TELEPORT which just erases mistakes or gives huge advantages late game and EXHAUST and GHOST, laners afk in fountain and under tower 9/10 games and ruin the early game and expose you to huge risk as a jungler…you mentioned it too but laners have so much brain rot on objective fights. We can be up 15k gold and my team will still try to flip baron when enemy jungler is alive and contesting. If you’re way stronger you don’t give the losing team a 50/50 opportunity. But no all my jungle expertsteammates who don’t play the role disagree and try to burst it as soon as enemy jg jumps in the pit…when we don’t even need to hit it… There’s plenty of real weaknesses to jungle but nobody can’t acknowledge it. People still die to shyvana ganks at 3:30 and get shocked. It’s just jungle is OP, I have no lane fundamentals or concept of how the jungle works, phreak pls nerf brain rot from the community EDIT: Bel’veth is disgusting broken, utility slave junglers are also broken but they need to be tuned instead of removing power from the role

[@HaroldRidgeway74]

another huge problem i feel like i see as a jng main is the sheer ammount of people that act like they could play jng so much better then you yet these same people dodge if they get filled jng because there scared of the pressure that comes with the role.

[@drabdrab5251]

People think that Jng players are Magicians who can be everywhere at any time .

[@glenndiddy]

I honestly just started telling people they don't need ganks, they need jesus, because a miracle is the only thing that can save that lane

[@darkwolfyy6798]

The number of games where my team ff's 4/1 and the game is completely winnable. Laners often don't see the big picture, where as the jungler, it's your entire job.

[@lunakud.niltaffannummer1359]

Honestly, 90% of the junglers i have are the most elo inflated people its unreal.

[@KiuhKobold]

Nobody wishes to play jungle for the same reason we all play league of legends: avoiding responsibilities.

[@that1guyfinn418]

Ah yes Jungle, a role where you could be 13/0 and have the most damage, yet your team will still vote to ff and say JG diff cause they kept fighting unnecessarily.

[@Wavinto]

4 Dragons 6 Grubs 1 Herald all Solo while also ganking: "Jungle no impact"

[@that1guyfinn418]

@@Wavinto twice I had a Skarner top whine about not getting a gank as I'm doing grubs when they had full capability to walk back from lane and recall.

[@htspencer9084]

Wait, Objectives? Macro? Winning? What are these things? - brainlet laners :p

[@Oinkiepiggy]

Nah you're just not playing around the 4 people who you need to carry. Get good.

[@bearinbush1677]

Then those laners take a break with a few ARAMs and play like pussies.. literally lose to winions.. everyone wants sht done.. but who wants to actually do sht 😢

[@GustavoThimoteo]

8:20 me trying to find a job, I need experience for a job, but I need a job to get experience.

[@glenndiddy]

Except you can just start jungling. So it's like jumping into an executive position without experience and getting slapped around by everyone for your fuck ups. The worst part is, you cannot learn from what your laners blame you for, they are also wrong. You need to somehow figure out what to do with very little actually useful help

[@Andyisgodcky]

I hate jungle because when someone loses a 1v1 or has to go back because they lost a trade badly, they look at the map to see what I'm doing as opposed to themselves to see how they could've played that better. Then, since I'm not babysitting them, they yell at me in chat. No thanks.

[@steveluna1627]

It's ironic that one of the most important if not the most important role is the least played. And it's clear why nobody wants it, I mean during lane phase you just focus on fundamentals, your champions and team fights and that's it, rinse and repeat, but jungler has to make strategies on a whim, always checking on everyone while predicting what will the other jungler do. And don't forget as the tactician of the group a bad call or simply a strategy not executed correctly by your team means everyone will be mad at you. So disabling chat is like the first golden rule of a jungler.

[@DeathScavenger420]

How many people want dragon / void grubs / rift herald? How many people want to leave their lane to help secure the objective?

[@proliloli2141]

as a roaming midlaner i love securing jg objectives because it means free kills for me (i get all 3 kills, you get to smite grubs. do you accept?)

[@kevinluu7024]

Laner expect junglers to be like an air strike support they can call in at any time

[@Crihnoss]

You exist to undo their mistakes. That's what's in their head. They are 0/4 before lvl 6. Constantly at 10% health. And they expect you to fix it.

[@kevinluu7024]

@Crihnoss well put. Always Lack of self awareness

[@viper9235]

Jungle truly is at the very least somewhat luck based. You can play one game, win, play a next game, same champs, same pathing, same strategy and still end up losing

[@StarChargerStudios]

“Almost any champion that isn’t a support can jungle” Soraka jungle running into my lane to undo all my poke:

[@sweethistortea]

I avoid it because the role feels too complicated. One wrong movie and everyone on my team acts like I kicked them.

[@makaramuss]

jungler is like playing a chess but share your turns with AI and AI plays 5 turns and you play 6th turn. you decide what you sacrifice and call for objectives by being at objectives, but you can only decide so much as other 4 players got their own ideas too. you sacrifice other pieces sometimes and position others to winning position.

[@unhaix707]

i loved jungle until season 6. then the fact that i had to tear everything up every year and re learn how to jungle made me give up league entirely. now im a mid laner and i am so much happier because when the season changes i dont have to learn a new game.

[@deejayf69]

I really don't understand the colossal expectations that are being placed on Jungler's. They have to gank you, secure objectives, order you a pizza, do your dishes, and drop off your kid at daycare. It'd be good if people showed a bit more restrained.

[@noahhightower8222]

Sometimes I feel like I should get paid a very small amount of RP per month for being a jungle main. You’re welcome, riot lol

[@josephguzington]

The smite aspect is so damn true... stomping a lane but still being at risk of losing that sides objective cause the jungler wont come is beyond frustrating - I wonder what would happen if smite stopped working on epic monsters ... absolute chaos and Im all for it

[@shenronsgoldfish]

One of the problems with jungle is it changes all the time

[@leeroyj7300]

My issue with jungle is all too frequently have 3 losing lanes before i even finish my first clear, and it's somehow my fault you're 0/3 by 3 minutes

[@thecoolestcorgi4991]

Jungle is the most abused, but support is the most under appreciated role. Can’t wait to see your video on supports. RIP Rell jungle

[@glenndiddy]

nah I think jungle is both the most abused and under appreciated role. Every support main I know has honor level 4-5 because everyone defaults to honoring the support. Just like when a jungler sets up a triple kill for yasuo you get hit with the Nice Yasuo! hard carry!

[@yournewmessiah3582]

​@@glenndiddy As a support, you will still get the same end result. You set up a teammate for a triple/quadra kill, and no one bats an eye at you. The honor usually goes to the one who you set up for those kills Jungle and support are both roles that get their spotlight taken away from in that aspect For the honor level, it is kind of an unwritten rule that support and adc honors each other, that def plays into that aspect. All in all, I think both roles are under appreciated, but jungle mains get the blame from the lanes when the match is lost. I have seen way more people blame and flame the jungler than the support

[@smoteh3161]

Literally watched this before queue, had a Cait init twice in first 3 mins, blame me for not coming whilst on opposite side of map then not come when i ganked her or when enemy elise invaded me. thanks league.

[@popkhorne5372]

The scapegoat role !

[@octopusjacket3472]

Since I came back to league after 5 years, a few months ago, I decided I wanted to try new roles, since I almost always played top, so almost every match I go with autofill, wich led me to playing support and jungle almost every time, a few times as adc and almost never, actually anecdotic, a top or a mid. From this experience I've got to love almost every role and enjoy the strengths and weaknesses of every role and how important and frustrating can a jungler be in a match, like you said, for both the player and the team, I myself enjoy the role, but had some of the worst times being absolutely impossible to compensate your teams decisions, how they all expect you to be where they need you all the time, and how they do absolutely no cooperation when it comes to making possible the objectives of even giving a certain lane some advantage On the other side, the famous "jg diff" can be ridiculous with how strategic a jungler can be, using his advantages and abusing his opponent weaknesses, either by punishing the lack of attention to laners or objectives All of that in conjunction makes the jungle experience a pain in the ass for everyone involved, specially players who don't main that role

[@james_connell]

Being a jungler is playing the hardest role in the game and the role that requires the most game knowledge, and have every laner go "hurr durr but you have empowered smite, jg easy"

[@tadihotado3518]

If you’re playing jungle, prepare for the mental breakdown of multiple people, even if youre 20/5 and have gotten all important obj, the moment one of them die to a simple gank they will flame you to high heavens *man i love league*

[@AlryFireBlade]

2:10 "So that any Champ that isn't a Support..." Let me introduce you to my Leona Jungle. The Champ I got a Quadrakill with, in my first game, while not even beeing a Jungle Player :D

[@-KpAbilio-]

What was your strat? I tried it in one game but the first clear was realy slow and, unluckly, in that game there wasn't a lot of gank opportunities early

[@pepperonigawd]

​@@-KpAbilio- the best strat is playing against iron players

[@viltautasYT]

press the atack leona with navoris is rlly good, As good as poppy I'd say

[@penis_owner]

Early Tear for mana into Manamune or does jungle mana sustain take care of that for her?

[@-KpAbilio-]

@@viltautasYT well. The problem was the clear speed. Leaona is pretty good at combat early, specially when ganking teammates because they trigger your passive. But the base damage on her abilities is pretty low, and if I recall correctly, she doesn't do extra dmg to the jungle

[@TheAngelRaven]

As a Support main who has branched out to learn every role: Jungle struggles from being the most impactful role in the entire game. If we had 2-1-2 instead of a Jungle, I feel the game wouldn't feel nearly as bad because you lack the one person who is expected to get objectives to progress the game while ganking lanes to push your laners ahead. Jungle has tons of things it HAS to do in order to impact the game, so it's not at all surprising how hated it is. Both from being ganked and not being ganked.

[@zachtemoro2116]

Theres nothing worse than trying to gank a giga pushed up enemy laner, but your team doesn’t help, the enemy gets away, and the person says “bUt My WaVe iS cRaShInG” and then later they say your ganks sucked bc they weren’t ready for them despite pinging. Quick tip to my fellow laners, if you have allowed your opponent to crash a wave while you’re present, killing them is more important than the wave at that point. The entire concept of Baus’ Law is what the opponent loses, not what you gain. If the laner or matchup is that good denying them gold and EXP is more important as a whole for the team than you being terrible at CSing.

[@rebraen1]

no

[@zachtemoro2116]

@@rebraen1 yis

[@marcinoo97]

12:00 Amount of Ults that can steal objectives is huge. I stole a lot using Lux or Zyra as supp.

[@MichaFalke]

No Views in the first 19 Seconds, bro fell off...

[@zdissychan]

cornball

[@emmas1366]

I've noticed a lot of the problems with junglers in league are shared with tanks in overwatch 2

[@intimorin360]

The difference is that in Ow 2 it's the game and the dev + the community that make the role hard but in Lol it's not that the role is weak bc it's really the strongest role in the game but it's litteraly only the community that makes the role MISERABLE. So I'd say it's worse for jg in lol cause ur the joker card and the b*tch for litteraly any tiny mistakes ur mates will do.

[@REIwAlexY]

and imagine my surprise when I am a jg main (support second) and I SOMEHOW STILL get autofilled....

[@Hitoridoodles]

There is a reason I only play norms with friends now. Solo queuing as jungle is one of the most unpleasant gaming experiences a person can have

[@PopersIRL]

0:53 This is true for most people. I was fortunate to play HOTS before league. Theres no positions but there are camps and I played a lot of campers with PVE focus (not siege, OBJs and PVE) so I accidentally learned jungling before I ever learned the term for it

[@dazzek4479]

In my experience of being a jungle main since I started playing in season 11, the main issue is the role being so important and versatile, to a point where only a jungler can understand what you have to do, therefore you can make every single right decision in your game and still be flamed by your laners because from their POV you were never here when they needed to Also, toxicity need to be adressed, I can play horribly midlane being 0/5/0 at 8 minutes but it's okay if I play a scaling champ, I won't be verbally harassed by the team before having the "Defeat" appear on the screen, meanwhile a jungler can have his whole family tree COOKED from the 3rd minute because the laners didn't respect the gank timing and the enemy snowballed from here

[@grayzraze2920]

Cho can replace the jungler for securing objectives One point for cho mains

[@Pentagram666mar]

Basically when you die 2 or more times during lane phase and blame your jungler for it- play jungle or don't play at all. I mostly play jungle, but in 40% support and I have never even asked for gank. When my jungler ganks- lovely, good for me, when enemy jungle camps bot- yeah why not, lets just hope my jungler ganks mid/top/gets objectives while i am fending off enemy jungler. This is when jungler clearly sucks, when he doesn't use time enemy jungler camps bot or other lane, it's not about enemy ganked 3 times top i need to gank top 3 times.

[@BoneWalker]

Having to relearn jungle every few months made me stop willingly play jungle.

[@yoshi3025]

I was the one typing jg diff until I picked it up, got dog walked for a while, but it showed me map awareness, and usually when I'm losing lane its almost always my fault. Jg diff stills get thrown out every once in a while.

[@MadIIMike]

I used to main jungle in the early days of LoL and it was great, the game was slower and the jungle made your champions design matter. Nowdays you need to play like a hyperactive squirrel after 3 cans of redbull and in the end you're still depending on the rest of your team to even play past the earlygame. Riot also doesn't mind flat out adding/removing champions from jungle as they did with Rell recently. Also, my old jungle champs got turned into something else (Aatrox/WW) and others feel like they can't keep up with league of dashes (Nasus/Fiddle).

[@Lucsld]

Yeah... I started playing LoL, I tried to learn how to Jungle in the game, since it was what I did in Dota, but dammit I can't learn, I want to learn how to play the position but have no idea how.

[@BrentVis]

Your points on win condition not being determined by the jungler was insightful and I never put it this aptly

[@frobo]

3:12 Baus catching strays?!?!

[@UwU_Blaster]

I’m a support main that gets filled to jungle more often than I get to play support. It’s become my second best role from the constant filling. Jungle is easier than it has ever been before right now, and the more calm you remain the more control you will feel you have over the game. Easier said than done though. You have to have thicker skin to shrug off the senseless insults people will throw at you and tunnel vision on the win.

[@cheweperro]

I only play jungle and it offends me when I get autofilled. Thankfully I can usually swap.

[@r3ll282]

why no one likes the jungle? Easy answer to that Your team wins = lane diff Your team loses = jg diff why should anyone bust their ass on a role that no one appreciates,

[@turnipkupo7263]

/deafen at the start of every league game, +99 to mental your teammates will maximise their saltiness either way

[@itsjamesneto61]

I started jungle this season and I am loving it. I just wish I don't face the same 5 junglers every game.

[@klonoa450]

First off ive never heard of this jungler role. I think you meant to say scapegoat

[@acolonheidern5419]

Honestly, junglers would receive so much less hate if everyone tried to learn the role so they can see how hard it is to balance farming camps and taking objectives with babysitting laners who spam ping for help when they get solo killed

[@Miller1107]

The argument about preventing long queue times can be seen with World of Warcraft where you're often waiting for, you guessed it, tanks and healers - basically the WoW version of a jungler and support. It's weird how they're in demand in multiple different games even when the role varies between them. Overwatch sees similar as well with longer queues for more DPS oriented roles.

[@MrTalithan]

Cuz everyone just wants to do beeeg damage

[@stef-mad]

Worst thing about be a jungler is that when you ask for assistance to secure purple crabs or drake and they will never join you, they still value farm over anything else and then flame you that you let the enemy jungle steal the drake and what not just because they arrived the right time.

[@Vly-nn2sv]

Gotta say i enjoyed the text on screen every now and then. Not sure why, but it was nice.