5 Items That League Of Legends DESPERATELY Needs

[@VarsVerum]

Guys bear in mind (as I made very clear in the video) these are just a bunch of spitball, back-of-napkin ideas. I got a couple comments from people telling me I'm worse than Phreak. If I had governing agency over this then of course I wouldn't just throw these ideas in the game willy nilly -_-

[@Sir_L.Wallace]

How dare you brainstorm how to make League better.😂 It has to remain a pool of toxicity. Otherwise us league players might disperse back into society.

[@Sir_L.Wallace]

Also my favorites of your ideas are the ap serpents fang and ap black cleaver. Not only would those be welcome on ap champs but they might close enough gaps that some of the ad champs that can cheese ap would be more viable.

[@dramat123]

3:10 and this is why thornmail is NOW COUNTER PICK/DMG item you play against ww or something that basicly only AA like trundle? you buy thornmail and not mostly for antyheal but FOR DMG because you cant even aply antyheal as a tank thats why when you play against soraka as tank your adc should buy antyheal and not support like it was before i mean most of the time its easier to buy 800 antyheal that is for AD or AP because THEN your ADC doesnt have to buy that

[@dramat123]

3:57 deaths dance should be scaling with base ad and some of the bonus ad cuz barely any bruser is buying only darius buy that basicly never saw this on anyother champion and only on darius because ofc his passive+conqueror and he have more then 550 ad while having 2 max 3 items on ad and pls give me back my old zeke convergence it worked SO MUCH BETTER then this DOGSHIT NOW

[@Richboy12345]

given how much you dislike yone im surprised you suggested a crit spellshield item

[@strongerthanever2039]

7:16 Just make that "AP Black Cleaver" also a Blighted Jewel item, so they can't stack both. That problem is pretty easy to solve.

[@mister8560]

Abyssal mask would need to get removed for that, next patch already killed it anyway

[@nicka.a8728]

@@mister8560 i mean not really , they just need to make it so they are mutually exclusive like last whisper items and cleaver

[@minhocho5487]

Doesn't matter BC Doesn't have last whisperer and still when you finish it, you can't build the rest anyways.

[@deonm4759]

​@minhocho5487 if necessary, they could modify the build path of bc

[@Abunchagames]

Would love that as heimer honestly

[@TheAngelRaven]

Before watching: We HAD an AP Serpent's Fang, it was the original Shadowflame. The problem is that it was just 'Enemy has shield? Have some magic pen idk' and not the actual reason to buy Serpent's Fang.

[@Helloing69]

Old Shadowflame adds like 10 flat magic pen against shields, it's not good at what it did and people literally just built it for some extra AP(since there's like 3 viable AP items aside from Mythics).

[@adolphin9348]

That was incredibly fun. It would be like "Enemy is healing 80% of their health with a basic ability? Here's 12 lethality"

[@minimonkeymasher8888]

It was only technically anti-shields. It gave flat magic pen if the enemy was benefitting from shields. It was more of a win+ situation. Serpent's fang is SPECIFIC in it's anti-shield design. Shreds any shields it touches AND reduces shielding by 50% for some time after

[@tomwanders6022]

@@adolphin9348except 10 pen (20) in magic pen, which is base 30-52 is worth a lot more, than in armor, where it goes up to a 100. Old pen was ridiculously high, ludens have you up to 26, shadowflame gave 10-20, morello gave 10, Boots gave 18 and void staph 40%. So even if the enemy ADC bought a 50 mr item (yes the shield one, it was still true dmg)

[@Gwen_xd]

the old shadowflame didn't work as a shield breaker lol, it only gives you 10 points of magic penetration which was a very mediocre item with no function at all

[@aaa.internet7014]

In Arena there's an item called "Bloodletter's Curse" which is essentially an AP black cleaver

[@LabRatz-Ivor]

and also its a tank item as well

[@decidueyezealot8611]

Which is why its one of the best items in that mode ​@LabRatz-Ivor

[@ignacioruhe427]

What about Abyssal Mask?

[@M0ONCommander]

honestly, I would rather void staff have a black cleaver-esque interaction. Not just nullify resistances for yourself, but also help the entire team bring a beefy target down.

[@maxomega3]

@@ignacioruhe427 you can't build both in arena, but mask is more for tanks, and bloodletter's is more for damage dealers

[@lambsauce2836]

Heavily agree with ap serpent fang

[@Jack_of_None]

Wild Rift has it 😂

[@ibrahim5463]

Worst part is serpent is only assassin

[@dontpanicitsmerevan4240]

Wild rift has one and its really useful

[@dylanhelvetios2300]

You all say that and yet nobody even build the current one 😂

[@elih6087]

I'm still salty they removed it on shadowflame. But it was way worse than serpents anyway

[@skahadam5581]

The thing is : they already made an ap Serpent' fang in wild rift , it's called Oceanic Trident and works exactly the same as it's ad counterpart , so i don't see a reason why they can't just add it to the game

[@danielfildan736]

They dont want to have to overbuff shields if they added shield break. AP would be more problematic as many mages dont have to commit engage in fights like AD, and AP assasins scale better so those dont need it

[@AkiKamaruma]

The activation is different: no difference if you are melee or range. The difference is in a application. If the damage solo target, then the shred is normal, is that was a splash damage, then the shred is smaller

[@danielfildan736]

@@AkiKamaruma yes, but it is so much easier to apply from range as a mage, making it more broken on ranged. Also, this would force Riot to buff all shields, so you would be inting by not building shield break, but paying a tax on this. It is the same issue with antiheal, which is why only really adcs have a decent one to buy and everyone pays a tax for it so that they dont buff heals

[@NightridingDoom]

focus. they are dumping league in order to focus more on wild rift which earns them more money because they can use it as a casino front without backlash

[@dudu2626-v3l]

​@@NightridingDoomtrue with the cassino part

[@recklessgaming6713]

"AP serpents fang" *LAUGHS IN OCEANIDS TRIDENT*

[@rettleemboys9998]

Wild rift on its way to have everything that LoL needs

[@hamptergaming4396]

Except having a fun Janna ​@@rettleemboys9998

[@wuj0-themanthemyththelegen856]

@@rettleemboys9998wild rift is, as always, a step ahead. Literally League ports stuff from WR. They even have T-rex!!!!

[@TAWMUD]

The straw that will break the camels back will be mr thornmail

[@zoneofsan4662]

​@@rettleemboys9998 its basically league 2.0 at this point

[@rettleemboys9998]

Wild Rift has a AP serpent fangs, and it kinda gives a defensive option for ADCs, since you can build Zhonyas in any champ since it's a upgrade in the boots

[@dudu2626-v3l]

Boots upgrades in wildrift are broken, anyone can build anything, zhonyas being the most overpower, good thing it dosn't give armor

[@rettleemboys9998]

@@dudu2626-v3l to be fair, any champ can build it, but there are champions that can make a better use of it ( like fizz spendind 1000 Gold for it and having a extra item slot compared to normal league )

[@pix1943]

⁠​⁠@@dudu2626-v3lIt can give armor 😭

[@rexvyoli8657]

​@@dudu2626-v3lthere is an item on wildrift that has armor ,ap and ability haste just like Zhonya. Its like a AP verison of thornmail but scale with your AP. It reflects any physical damage back to the enemy with AP scalling and on a charge maxing 3 charges but refreshes immediately.

[@vo1ce147]

​@@dudu2626-v3l nah not even that broken, yes zhonya is good but wasting 1000 gold just to delay inevitably is not worth it, except you played against full burst comp which rarely happens the higher you climb proto and magnetic is way way more broken.

[@sharkguy666]

Ad bruisers have such amazing items with a great variety of stats and ap bruisers get left in the dust. I want an ap stridebreaker.

[@ashtonshephard3852]

I miss old ffg demonic embrace AP bruiser shyv :')

[@wuj0-themanthemyththelegen856]

@@ashtonshephard3852what’s ffg

[@slippedupngotslidon5530]

I loved demonic embrace it felt good then they removed it and while they where at it nerf riftmaker

[@chaotixthefox]

Rylai is better at holding people down.

[@ashtonshephard3852]

@@chaotixthefox it was for the tank stats and just a little extra stickiness. W provides most of what you needed if you build any AP at all nearly

[@Celmondas]

I think August talked about the shieldbreaking part. He basically said that they wont do this because if there are good options for anti shield they have to buff shields to a point where anti shield becomes necessary to buy. Like the way they struggle balancing healing and antiheal

[@Ranger_Danger2899]

I heard that too! I still think it would be nice to have and just to have the antishield item to be weak rather than not have it at all. Maybe have it where itt gives really low stats or something or the shield reduction itself is on the lower side

[@Yuni-is-Schrodingers-Fox]

Just make the antishield items garbage to compensate, so you only want to build them if you absolutely have to. Like how an AD carry will usually only build mortal reminder if there's more than 2 problematic healers on the enemy team since Lord Doms is better in every other aspect.

[@julianpeschar1801]

@@Yuni-is-Schrodingers-Fox isnt the current go to armor shred item for adc's mortal reminder since they removed the 'do more dmg to champs with higher max health then you' from lord doms?

[@Yuni-is-Schrodingers-Fox]

​​@@julianpeschar1801lord doms gives 10 more AD than mortal reminder. Therefore if there's no problematic healers or lifestealers on the enemy team (swain, mundo, briar, etc) Lord Doms is always better. Mortal Reminder is just more common at the moment because it's not that much worse than Lord Doms and lifesteal is just really strong in general right now, especially bloodthirster.

[@YaBoiPaladin]

So despite what some might think of the game itself Predecessor has an antiheal magic item called Leviathan which applies antiheal when being hit by magic damage. The passive is that you mitigate 3 percent of magic damage and all targets who had their magic heal reduce by the item has their damage mitgated by an additional 3 percent.

[@dipwob]

as long as they have the ap black cleaver be a "unique: blight" item, the same as every item with % magic pen including terminus, then it shouldnt be too bad because black cleaver is a "unique: fatality" item, the same as last whisper items and terminus.

[@SadToffee]

Honestly, for the sake of Game feel I really wish the options for QSS were a bit better. I might be a bit biased towards it as a Rengar main, but being able to open up more options in how you play against certain champs isn't particularly a bad thing in my mind. and it's obviously a bonus to not have to sit through a Morgana stun anymore. even just something like a passive that turns Hard CC into really strong soft CC, like forcing you to be extremely slow could allow players to buy it for more agency in certain matchups, maybe you manage to micro move and dodge a key cooldown, maybe that stun turned to a root, allowing you to counterattack your overzealous opponents, stuff like that. I think it would really mitigate the feeling of getting CC locked, and also make the game more fun in general on both sides.

[@Safineya]

Funny thing is there was another qss item but riot being riot in their infinite wisdom removed it bevause it was apparently too usefull I guess....wou would've guessed...

[@Asssosasoterora]

So if we add this item. What is Morgana's role in the game after you buy it? Can she do anything at all anymore?

[@AdnanRahmanovic-vv8lz]

Let's just talk about the fact that mages are literally the only class that cannot buy a qss item. I mean they can, but they cannot upgrade it into anything that is usable for a mage

[@NightridingDoom]

i have to agree on QSS. Problem is, there will always be one superior QSS item. they tried it twice and failed twice.

[@Jimples]

@@AdnanRahmanovic-vv8lz to be fair, who does get a good upgrade from QSS? The scimitar has been a terrible item more often than not, giving up a huge opportunity for anything else. Right now it's the holy trinity of ass... an expensive item with bad stats and a bad build path.

[@shamelabaza3572]

League's community with magic pen boots : 😃😃 With lethality boots : 🤬🤬

[@thelordofthelostbraincells]

Wild rift:👀

[@Iasgo]

There are far fewer options for magical penetration than lethality, which is why pen boots need to exist and lethality doesn't.

[@rettleemboys9998]

Meanwhile wild rift Magic boots giving 55 ap on top of the pen

[@shamelabaza3572]

@@rettleemboys9998 i don't play wildrift but damn that's generous

[@karlstrance7816]

i would hate quinn even more..

[@Gaukas05]

Imagine ad zhonyas 💀

[@sunkenspirit4193]

wild rift has you covered

[@ibrahim5463]

Zhonya k'sante

[@Sebastian36962]

​@@sunkenspirit4193 boots enhancement

[@abbemartensson3850]

Guardian angel

[@doktormozg]

​@@abbemartensson3850pretty much

[@boldisordorin9010]

Overlord's bloodmail??? It gives you 10% bonus AD when you are low

[@Wildcat12]

The fact that AD champs have 3 classes (Bruiser, Marksman, Assassin) who all get an entire shop section worth of legendary items for themselves while their AP counterparts all have to pull from the same pool of items is ridiculous. The fact this isn't a bigger priority for them is insane. Most of the AP champs regardless of class end up building almost identically with only a few characters significantly deviating from the same group of items. I get that they have that arbitrary figure or whatever of maximum items the game is allowed to have before it's too many for new players, but if that limit is too low for certain classes, like AP Bruiser, to even functionally exist in the game then maybe it needs revisiting. I mean, seriously, how many real AP Bruisers even are there? I can name well over a dozen AD Bruisers off the top of my head, but the only AP Bruisers I can think of are Gwen, Morde, Sylas, Swain and MAYBE Vlad if you count him. And even then their items are so shit that we've had times when Gwen or Sylas go full AP glass cannon because the few AP Bruiser items are just ass.

[@danielfildan736]

You have Singed, Galio(AP tank but he did build off tank AP at times), Rumble, Diana (diver + assasin, so she fits here), AP Jax potentially, Lillia and Volibear are some more that either built AP bruiser or AP+tank at one point or would like more AP bruiser options. So yea, still less that AD fighters

[@danielfildan736]

Cosmic is a great (op) item, Riftmaker is fine and Rylais is great, but together you have basically zero resists, you cant quite pair it. There is RoA as well and sadly Nashors is too squishy and only really works on Gwen and Diana, sometimes Voli as its too squishy. Abyssal mask is great now and unending despair or sunfire are decent armor options but yea, AP choices are still scarce

[@danielfildan736]

Problem with Sylas as you wrote is that he has to go full glass cannon, because there is not enough haste + ap + HP

[@naerolf09]

ap black cleaver is just abyssal mask it makes you tankier and gives u offensive powers

[@GentlyUsedFrog]

Not really an AP Black Cleaver. Black Cleaver gives offensive stats, HP and armor shred per stack, Abyssal Mask gives only defensive stats and a reduction in MR. Pretty soon the item will get nerfed so bad it might not be worth it anymore. Bloodletter's curse in Arena is a good option for AP Black Cleaver though.

[@pastelantlers7479]

I've always said this to my friend that I wanted an AP crit item. he said it was never going to happen and funny enough in Arena we got one. "Rite of Ruin" is an AP crit item that allows ap damage to crit, casting an ability will give a stack (2.5% crit strike chance) up to 8 times giving the player 20% crit strike at the end, and gives the player a 70-210 shield for every crit they land. I know this is in Arena and an ap item that gives 50 AP, 15 AH, a 210 shield, and basically 40% crit is overdoing it but I think with some tuning it could be a really good addition to Summoners Rift and could serve it's own niche on top of allowing Riot to (finally) make a proper AP botlaner.

[@hiurro]

Shadowflame gives AP crits

[@crackshmoker7080]

In wild rift we have infinity orb

[@empiresloth]

No fr as a Diana mine I’d loveee to be able to go an attack speed crit build

[@strongerthanever2039]

Wasn't there an item called Jeweled Gauntlet before that did that?

[@pastelantlers7479]

@@hiurro Though you're right in a sense when talking about crit I'm talking about all the time crit not when you're below 30% hp to crit.

[@wuj0-themanthemyththelegen856]

5:57 Brother LDR is a dead item, MR is all the rage nowadays

[@kadanseward3022]

I used to play vainglory, and in that game, the version of grievous wounds also affected shields. I still don’t know why that isn’t a part of league. You would have to reduce the efficiency of the existing grievous wounds items, but I think it would make people much happier that all sustain is cut with their item

[@DrFeho]

Ah mortal wound 😢 I love being insta killed by the tiger lion guy with the chainsaw rocket axe thing build the crit built 😩. I miss vainglory

[@umechrono]

August explained how problematic it would be to add an ap serpents fang a few times on his streams. It would cause a similar problem that grievous wounds had a while back, where due to accessibility/strength of grievous wounds, the characters that are based on healing became mostly or even fully disfunctional, which has forced riot to buff them, such as soraka cleansing grievous wounds or buffing the healing numbers across the board both in runes and characters. The same or similar thing would happen if anti-shield mechanics became more available. It would mean that there would have to be a compensation buff to the shields, which would in return backfire and make the anti-shield items more mandatory and would make it feel like if you're not buying anti-shield items = you're trolling, just like it happened with highly available 60% grievous wounds back then. Similar story applies to most, if not all items that league community would like to see, but never will. "Give them not what they want, but what they need."

[@wuj0-themanthemyththelegen856]

10:37 especially since assassins are mostly single target oriented so they will not apply it as reliably, as other classes. That would be hell. Gutting Ivern, Karma, Janna, because you buy 1 item is not fun.

[@Darkloid21]

Except they’re wrong in their analysis. The problem with shield champs is that their targets don’t die. They effectively have a heal that isn’t affected by grievous and the one major counter to AP burst is shields. Without a way around shields mages are effectively useless as their whole bursting aspect is null when their opponents get shields for half their healthy. Also as people said there is already an item like that in wild rift and it’s working out.

[@umechrono]

@@Darkloid21 In regards to wild rift. You do know its a different game with different balance anchors and item/character balance, right? If you do, then bringing up wild rift seems pointless.

[@Darkloid21]

@@umechrono nope, it’s proof that something like that can work. Otherwise right now we have one subpar item

[@Rhyolite-hyena]

​@@wuj0-themanthemyththelegen856 Graves GP Qiyana Zed are not single target dealer at all

[@thelordofthelostbraincells]

In wild rift we have ap serpent fang

[@gordoteton9830]

4:50 holy i just realized that Edge of night is a full-body cloak and not just a cape

[@PhailRaptor]

Pretty sure that's what all capes are, except for super heroes...

[@foxy_bl1784]

Same

[@supahotfire9176]

I think it is unfair for ADC players to fight against tanks/fighters/assasins that can jump on them all the time with no mayor downside. I feel bad for my jinx trying to kite a Fiora with a dash every second. An AS/Crit item that makes the next AA on a target or all AA in the next 2 seconds stronger after a champ uses a movement avility would be nice. This way you habe to decide if you should use your jump and when. Alternatively you could give a MS buff for the ADC after they land an AA on a chamo that just used a ms ability.

[@dominikprager5338]

Surprised that no one has mentioned this but Abyssal Mask is currently the closest item to "AP Black Cleaver" in the game, it is damage in form of shred (for you and your team) and tankiness, which favors AP bruisers and battle mages in long fights (both Mordekaiser and Udyr mentioned in the video can easily build it). Only missing functionality is the speed per carve, but I suppose if you need speed for chasing, there is an option to go both Abyssal and Cosmic Drive (as seen on solo lane Swain sometimes for example). This item is heavily underrated and no one builds it because it used to suck, now it does not anymore

[@danielfildan736]

Or Rylais for chasing

[@silvito9867]

Abyssal Mask is kind of an AP Black Cleaver tho

[@fedrickosvald593]

Nahhh bro Imagine a Vayne running at you or a Kaisa teleporting with a spell shield😭🤌🏻

[@kristofkelemen721]

Great video concept, interesting item ideas: I would instantly pick up more champions to play (gwen with ap black cleaver, wukong with the sett-thingy) if these items were in the game! 🎉

[@nekrozclockwork]

The world will not be at peace until we get a magic resist healcut item

[@ea8455]

They said that they don't want to create "niche" items only a small percentage of players/proplay will use. That's also why they removed anathemas chains, which is like an OP item if the enemy has only one damage type carry you need to build against. That's also why the majority of players (Gold and sub) brainlessly use Riots shop rec without thinking about matchups. They don't want to fill the game with unnecessary things. Which ofc is just sad My source of this is vague I'm sorry, I think it was either a Reddit comment from a dev or one of Phreaks patch reviews

[@ARI-mi3hd]

Overlords bloodmail serves what you actually explained in the bruiser item

[@YanYanicantbelievethistakenffs]

I dont think your takes are too controversial. Exept the shieldbusting one. THAT is a bad idea in my book. Let me explain: Shieldbusting as a current system is REALLY good. 2600 for removing half of the shields is a really good thing. The small problem? Assassing have better options overall, so why make the lulu shield have 200-300 less when you can spend your gold in 200-300 more damage in your rotation. Here is the thing. That is a SUPPORT oriented item for a class that has to support itself. BUT what happens when you give it to someone else? The statline is not really that good so not many people use it. But if you are, for example, a thornmail user and you get serpent fang, you are getting a real good value. Reducing that same shield for 300 while your assassin is dealing 300 more is really good. Not only that it becomes widespread, EVERY shield gets cut in half, and some chars really need it for the playstile they have (kaisa yasuo yone, while i hate the champs, you get rid of the shield and they WILL suck). If you give it to a mage you have a similar problem, while not as widespread as a tank can do, it will be more common. And melee champs will be the ones most afected by it. Shielding makes burst mages either burst harder or burst in ambushes. Giving them pen + shieldbusting would make them just burst no matter the situation. For fighters its again a similar issue, irelia had shieldbusting and it was taken out due to it being too good (among other things) but shields are made to counter small skirmishes,poke, long low damage fights and to protect a bit from burst. For fighters they usually can outlast you due to healing and shields, give ypurself shield and they only have healing so its harder for them to outlast you. Give a fighter shieldbusting capabilities and it becomes a problem again. Shieldbusting as a mechanic right now is a bit unbalanced and busted so i personally think that before adding shieldbusting it should be reworked. My idea is shield penetration, shieldbusting items instead of making it so that a shield is heavily reduced, make a % of damage bypass the shield (5%, 10%, numbers can be tweaked) that would make it a selfish stat which is how i think it should work, while 90% of your damage is still blocked, you still get some and cleanse effects that use shields as a proxy (mf movespeed and other out of combat passives that dont get disabled if you recieve shield damage) this helps for to mitigate the impact of shields as you still have damage going through but the shield is still effective. This way you can be more liberal on to where to give it and tweak numbers Mana haste ap and shield pen? Give it a low % Ap haste shield pen? A bit higher but not by much Hp tank? A more respectable amount but not enough so that other classes might tap into it tho i wouldnt add a tank shieldbusting Hp ad shield pen? Around the same as ap mana and haste Ad lethality and shield pen? A higher amount Ad crit shield pen? A respectable amount but not by much AD AS shield pen? A bit lower than average This way it can be better controlled. And make it a unique passive stat so that you dont stack. Or maybe a flat normal stat and allow the stacking but i dont really like that idea.

[@amosepelman3472]

2 items as a top lane tank main id love to see; 1. An item that makes greivous wounds even stronger. For example the health that the enemy isn’t gaining back because of GW you get back instead or it applies more GW than just 40% or allows for stacking if your teammates also build GW 2. An item that partially nullifies percent health damage. Maybe it converts it to damage over time instead of burst or something fun like if you get percent health damaged you gain ability haste

[@strongerthanever2039]

I've heard an opinion that anti-heal items should be active based (instead of a passive effect). Because if grevious wounds are too weak and there is too much healing in the game with no real way to counter it. But if they make grevious strong it invalidates an entire group of champions (f.e. Aatrox or Warwick). And making grevious wounds an active would give it more skill expression and make anti-heal strong without rendering a champion's entire kit irrelevant. What's your opinion on this take?

[@Blu_Moon_Owl]

What about more items that build from Quicksilver sash. Almost no one builds QSS let alone the item it builds into. So the new QSS items work like with Grievous Wounds where there’s one for the different classes and provides some Tenacity (say 25%) on top of the one time use of QSS

[@TZAR_POTATO]

Fun ideas! I was hoping you point out items from other moba games that you want in league, but I get why you didn't take that approach. Throw a dart at dota's shop and you'd hit something OP. Silver edge? Invisibility, damage, and disable all enemy passives. Black King Bar? Olaf ult on demand. Divine Rapier? 350 AD. That's it, that's basically all it does. Blink Dagger? Zero stats, flash active. Actually, I'd love to see more mobility options but only if they had low or no stats. Like, you sacrifice a lot of damage for adc, but you get a dash.

[@alessandroarroyo1731]

"We need an AP serpent fang." Wild Rift: Wait. You don't have Trident's Ocean?

[@nuteguy3956]

0:16 kassadin can just r out and veigar can just destroy spellshield by any other spell so that not very good example but i know that just pointing finger where its not neccesery

[@Wolvahulk]

Honestly Event Horizon is definitely not the reason I would be buying Banshees in that match-up. It's actually just anti-burst. Much harder to get R executed if his first spell doesn't hit.

[@adamevaskevich5528]

1:45 I believe Varus E has always applied Grievous Wounds, also if I remember correctly Miss Fortune had Grievous Wounds on her Old W "Impure Shots" or maybe her old version of her E "Make it Rain" but I couldn't find the source on which ability, but I do see old Reddit post asking for it back

[@RyuHardGore]

I think there is a real lack of AP assassin items, most AP assassins build themselves just like any normal AP mage They should have items with magical lethality like the wizard boots

[@ja0062734]

Tanks have it bad enough , dealing with ever increasing true damage and percent health damage in the game, Ap black cleaver, and ap serpents fang would literally make playing a ap bruiser/tank just nightmarish, i play alot of tham kench and just fighting something like a vi makes it so i don't even feel like a tank anymore, fighting someone with serpents fang kinda negates whole parts of my kit and that feels horrible.

[@aschneider8912]

doesnt abyssal mask kind of fulfill the role of ap black cleaver? MR shred in an area around you etc. Kind of lame that its an MR item instead of a straight damage item tho

[@Akira23453]

maybe dont make grevious wounds a pointless pickup, anyone you need it against really doesnt care and just heal through the debuff

[@Poppybe]

Love how they're still showing chemtech putrifier in the grevious items section even though the item hasn't been in the game (outside of arena) for 9 months now

[@eslamfalk416]

10:53 and the maximum was reached wenn the enemy had 2k current hp or less, so the "shield busting" only works vs tanks

[@LabRatz-Ivor]

PLEASE GIVE US A MINIONMANCER ITEM, THATS ALL I WANT, JUST AN ITEM THAT BUFFS PET SUMMONS PLEASE

[@adolphin9348]

So, an item designed to be exclusively used by a small fraction of the champion base Make it buff pets AND minions, at least, and it would still be weird Most of the items in the game can work on every champion without side effects. An item that works ONLY for a small amount of the champ base would be weird.

[@Cynsham]

Too niche to be added

[@TheGhostlyfire]

For the last item the way it can be balanced, would be to give it a nemesis mechanic where you gain the increased damage to the champions who dealt the most damage to you! If you are hitting or hit the nemesis with abilities or auto with hydra enemy champions will still take the increased damage so positioning matters without it becoming only an increase in stats

[@TheGhostlyfire]

oh sorry second to last item

[@Helloing69]

Imagine some items that actually help enchanters stop exploding every time the enemy assassin sees them.

[@grimfin3214]

2:19 This implies that there’s EVER been a tank item that works against Gwen

[@szunaloneheart3148]

i always wanted to see AD Enchanter Items, which will benifit AD Senna but also allows more design variety because it opens up the possibility to get ad based enchanter by design like Senna always was ment to be

[@jordanfrench3295]

I think grieves wounds items should be removed from the game, so that way healing champs can be properly balanced.

[@misterbxiv]

MR black cleaver is abyssal mask-it’s just that your tank needs to build it for you. But it does exactly what you’re looking for.

[@pizzalamander]

The thing about shieldbreaaking is that assassins gotta commit to go all in to apply the shieldbreak and it doubles down on their way to do their job. If you have shieldbreak on an AP ranged they dont risk anything to apply the debuff. If they didnt have the range advantage then sure. Bruisers are tankier damage dealers that dont need to burst ppl cause they have more sustained damage. Thats why the squishier ones are harder to play overall and why the tankier ones feel so oppressive when ahead

[@TaconIStenen]

2:55 GW is not supposed to completely gut healing champs regardless of if the items are “counter items” or not. That’s why Riot moved away from 60% GW, because it created an arms race between healing and GW to the point where healing champs could still work through 60% GW and they became overbearing without it. Giving an MR GW items to tanks would mean Sylas, Swain, Vlad, Lillia and Zac would get compensation buffs, maybe not to their healing but in some way and that frankly just isn’t needed for any of them.

[@pheonixryu6167]

Grievios wounds should also be a active item that way you can apply a stronger effect in a more tactical way, just make the cooldown long so you cant just press it and play on every interaction.

[@adnanshaikh7692]

7:20 well they dont let you build build black cleaver, ldr, mortal reminder or serelda together either so you can do the same thing here

[@alterranlongbow5067]

one niche that chemtech putrefier fulfilled for me was that its anti-heal triggered on *dealing damage*, regardless of type, meaning true damage like twitch's poison could trigger it thinking about itthough , im not really sure anyone else benefits from this, the only other champion that does true damage over time that i can think of is smolder and his lasts about half as long as twitch poison

[@whapabab4340]

As a Vlad OTP i would love an ap bruiser item with magic pen, right now you can sorta go mask but only if they have lots of ap, and it still plays into his one shot play style, instead of ramping damage. This could allow him to have multiple play styles as choosing more bruiser/drain tank play style or one shot. (Rn only one shot is viable)

[@Reggat]

8:45 We used to have a little similar item for mages but it was more like energized + active. Don't remember the item but upon cast it gave up to 100 ap for x seconds

[@ThisIsTaco1]

Although it's a Tank item, Abyssal Mask functions like an "AP Black Cleaver" only better, since it reduces MR instantly. It's also great for AP bruisers that are facing AP damage from either tanks or mages. (I know it's not optimal to build if you go against a full AD team, but it's still a borderline OP item)

[@almarogu1212]

What other games have when designing a skill or item that let's you hit back harder is increasing the damage you take as well. So it is really a high risk high high reward.

[@dlcyKing]

For the adcs, in s9 while largely ignored by most, deaths dance (80 ad, 10 cdr, same omnivamp, same passive) was a decent tech against assassins for crit adcs but wasn't sufficient because most assassins would oneshot you through it anyway. When it got armor and mr it gave enough effective health for crit adcs to gain enough time to heal through the damage. It did cost tank busting and anti range options to run with it though but it also made bloodthirster not trash. Another immense benefit was that it allowed crit adcs to survive without the support player who more often than not for the 99% of adcs was more of a hindrance. Meanwhile attack speed adcs ,bar varus who has had an identity crisis since the rageblade change for double proc to be on 3rd hit, they can always go actual tank items as anti burst. Their damage scales with enemy health anyway. The adc class should have a late game option of items to allow them to counter assassins proper, if ga was changed from revive over 4s to gain 2s of invulnerability upon taking lethal, it would stop being a trash item. Another benefit is assassins and divers will no longer get to win games they have no job winning because the support player is a griefer

[@hugoroussi5794]

The problem with Ap serpent fang is that it's way to valuable on control mage/zoners. They hit in a large zone, able to hit basically the entire team, Brand/Anivia/Orianna. The meta fort support role is already filled with ap mages, and i think they really need to be careful if they actually had an Ap serpent fang

[@tristanballman9262]

I wouldnt mind them adding bloodletters curse to the rift with some adjustments, as long as you can't build mask at the same time. I think we need a champ or two with a shield breaking mechanic like rell, letting it be a counterpick instead of an itemization issue, and allowing shields to still be fully effective if you play around them and their cooldowns.

[@newmeta1237]

abyssal mask is already an mr shredding item. a lot of AP bruisers you mentioned can build abyssal mask without it being troll. If you see a rumble, mordekaiser, Udyr or swain building abyssal mask you wouldn’t bat an eye

[@jole5468]

Attack speed version of wound is also a missing thing. It always feels bad to go for an early wound item as adc cause it reduces your ability to kite a lot when you have lower as

[@ninjavikingtv5931]

Phreak should talk to you

[@Alunarizou-lx5xl]

the sett item is kinda already a thing in wildrift, it's the abyssal mask where you can store magic damage for a while and your next crowd control will emit a explosion that deals magic damage based on the magic damage you've taken also, for the Black Cleaver for magic damage, Abyssal Mask kinda does that, it shreds MR and gives you MR. but it really isn't useful for Bruisers like Morde, Gragas or Gwen since you're better off with a void staff tbh (since you can only have 1 blight item) it should be good if the item aligned well to bruisers that like to stick on a fight,

[@inkpudding2498]

The ap black cleaver for bruisers is abyssal mask since it gives 30% m.pen for little gold and extra tankiness

[@annenoose6444]

I always wanted g wounds to have the same effect on shielding were the affects player just receives less shielding.

[@wuj0-themanthemyththelegen856]

Chemtech Putrifier was not cut out because it was too similar to Morello but because enchanters were forced to pat the tax for it. AND they could give their teammates GW as well.

[@TheSorrowfulAngel]

I recently heard some rioter(I think August?) talk about anti-heal and thornmail. Idea is that thornmail is not so much meant to be a supportive/non-personal output(as other anti-heal items are), but more for personal power and countering AD champs - specifically ADCs - from using you as a healthpot/outhealing you when you are on top of them. I mean, even if thornmail gave anti-heal vs non-AAers... it'd still be a big Armor item at the end of the day anyway.

[@danielfildan736]

We should in fact remove serpents fang from the game. It makes shields too strong if you dont have it and too weak if you have it. Feels like an unnecessary tax. We already have heal debuff that forces heals to be fck broken for healing champions

[@carrier2823]

I think the problem with an AP serpents is that a lot of anti magic counterplay now revolves around shields and things of that nature

[@BlynqO]

Actually, there is similiar item to the stacking damage item you mentioned in Wildrift. It is the passive of abyssal mask. It store pre mitigation magic damage you took and if you CC a champion it release all of it as AOE damage. Would be pretty busted against AP comps

[@LordTentai]

I miss chemtech putrifier more for every day that passes... Having a way as an enchanter to apply anti heal without needing to be in the enemy's face was just so nice.

[@Filthy_Cubes]

Something I’d want is the return of sword of the occult along with an AD Dark Seal. The game is different than when it was removed, and I think it can be balanced now. There are no inherent differences between it and Mejai’s now. They can make it unique so you can’t pick up both of the stacking snowball items which might have been a problem. Another wish list item is an AP cull item for those farming mages who want to hit that 2 item power spike earlier. Just give it similar stats to cull, and maybe a unique passive that gives 3-4 mana per unit killed. So if you farm a full wave you get 18-24 mana, not much but maybe an extra spell every 2 waves. Having a tank cull item would also be good but not sure how to really balance it, maybe health + mana regen on auto attacks.

[@Arob4343]

I like that you included Shyvana about the ap Blackcleaver. I agree fully there

[@kauanjos3199]

The support grievous wound doesn't even exist anymore

[@GargingoMan]

Black Cleaver for mages is Abyssal masks but not really

[@zachhollins604]

you know youre saying some dumb sht when you cant even agree with yourself fully

[@cnrx4596]

and they are nerfing it to ground

[@jamesexeisnotresponding6686]

@@cnrx4596 they're nerfing the tankiness not the shred

[@model84]

@@jamesexeisnotresponding6686 so why use it if void staff is better? or even the other (crpytic bloom?)

[@aathried]

​@@model84your tanks or bruisers can buy it so you deal more damage and maybe delay void stuff

[@hotrodchomper-h9g]

sorc shoes are essentialy magic lethality, the opposite of anti tank. lucidity boots are more likely to be anti tank because you can repeat abilities faster

[@arkokroeger9799]

I actually had some interesting item ideas on my own in the last time, with some definitely being better ideas than others. One idea i am definitely not going to give up is the idea of a crit sheen item for caster marksmen (especially smolder). Navori Sheenblade 25 Crit rate 45 AD 10 AH Cost: 3200 gold Build path: Sheen + Cloak of Agility Unique - Impermanence: Your ability damage and proc damage dealt is increased by 0% − 20% (based on critical strike chance) Unique - Spellblade: After using an ability, your next basic attack within 10 seconds deals 40% AD bonus physical damage on-hit (1.5 (begins after using the empowered attack) second cooldown) which gets modified by critical strikes.

[@Asgero]

Wildrift has 2 of these items. A magic sheild pen and the more damage you take the nore you deal. Abyssal mask has setts W but without the shield and is triggered by applying hard cc. Its really funny, you can one shot an adc on orn with it

[@adambecker2136]

Executioners calling has been in the game since Season 1 and has had Grievous wounds since then, people just never built it because it took a whole item slot and didnt build into anything so you were essentially dedicating an item slot to grievous wounds.

[@PhailRaptor]

The only stat it provided was Crit Chance, as well, so ~90% of champions had no use for anything except for the Wounds. It didn't see relevance until the Crit Chance was exchanged for AD.

[@Lin_Nascimento]

I would fucking love a anti-shield ap item as Cho'Gath. Finally I would be able to fight Sett and Morde in lane

[@brosifski]

while an ap black cleaver is nice, i feel like everybody forgets that abyssal mask is a thing. It doesn't give any offensive stats on paper, but it has instant 30% mr shred to anyone within like 700 units. if you were to change its buiildpath to be belt + codex instead of cloak + kindlegem, it would probably see a lot more use as a cleave item. (and also changing all mr given into ap, including the passive)

[@Skarfar90]

As someone who has played a lot of AD champs, I have noticed a lack of AD options compared to what AP items offer. Here are some ideas of my own: 1. An "AP QSS" item. - Not too strong in terms of stats, but as a viable option against a very CC-heavy team. Like Mercurial, it gives +50 MR, but also +70 AP and +10% Omnivamp, in addition to its active which cleanses CC and gives a brief movement speed boost. 2. A crit + lifesteal item - After Bloodthirster got changed, there are no items currently that gives critical chance and lifesteal together. - Maybe an item that gave +50-55 AD, + 25% crit and +12% lifesteal. 3. An AD version of Stormsurge. Some AD champs (like Zed, Talon, Qiyana or perhaps Graves) could benefit from a burst-oriented item, similar to Stormsurge, or the original iteration of Duskblade. - With stats of +60 AD, +15 Lethality and +5% movement speed, and the passive that detonates for additional AoE damage if you take at least 25% of the target's max HP within 2 seconds (scales from 35% of your total AD), I could see this being a decent item for burst-oriented AD builds. 4. A critical chance Hydra item. - The wet dream of AD champs with poor waveclear, like Vayne. Like the other Hydra options, the stats could be like this: +60 AD, +25% critical chance, +25% attack speed. Active: The splash damage on the next attack crits, dealing additional damage around the target, based on total critical chance (10 second cooldown after the empowered attack). - Build path: Tiamat + Noonquiver + Dagger + 300 Gold. 5. AD version of Zhonya's Hourglass - As it says on the tin. Similar to Zhonya's in every way, except for it giving AD instead of AP. - +80 AD, +50 Armor. Active: Place yourself in Stasis for 2.5 seconds. Build path: B.F. Sword + (AD version of Seeker's Armguard) + 550 Gold = total cost: 3250 Gold. 6. AD version of Deathcap - Not sure about this one, but it would have been fun to try out. +95 AD. Passive: Increases your total AD by 35%. - Build path: B.F. Sword + B.F. Sword + 1000G = total cost: 3600G 7. Re-introduced Sword of the Occult as an AD version of Mejai's, with a new stacking starting item.

[@CountZakula]

I remember when Kled's Q got a shield breaking effect and I thought "FINALLY, the mechnics in the game, the item will be here soon". I've been asking riot for ap shield breaking items for over half a decade, every video i can find, they just don't care. We need running out of mana to matter, and resource management to pay off and OUTSCALE champs with stuff like: energy, rage, or just no costs.

[@quieness]

I think the general easy consensus is that we should have an AP antishield item, the other options are aight (minus the sett inspired one which sounds fun but in the territory of "if numbers good = OP, if numbers bad = trash"). I'd personally like the marskman spell-shield (maybe instead of shieldbow), i'd add BACK the antiheal enchanter item, WITH THE EFFECT IT HAD that gave antiheal to the shielded/healed target. It was so good and efficient. Maybe i'd even toss in the MR shred item in the game for the sake of variety, tho i think it'd end up like ohm wrecker where nobody really needs it so nobody builds it. Void already has a shit ton of %pen and you'd only ever really pick up an MR shred mage item in the event all your team picked magic dmg. Also they should split pen like they split physical pen into lethality and armor pen.

[@jackpooley4860]

If you have a AOE burn champ, brand/singed have them build serpants fang even though its AD. They will be able to stack thousands of more shield shred per fight than any champ thats "supposed" to build serpants fang. Had a game on singed where i built serpants 3rd while my talon built it 2nd. Probably about 8-10min gap between his and mine. A single team fight and i had 5k shred while he had 2.3k even with having the item for 10mins longer. Serpants fang did 4x the "damage" as Liandrys by the end of the game.

[@thereaper7926]

9:02 rather than a damage boost,make it an utility item,the moment you are below 60% hp the item begins an internal timer after which or after you reach 30% of your max hp ,dish out a huge wave which slows and which's size and slow is based on the damage taken,bcs most champs that would build such an item don't really need any more damage

[@ZeePanzer]

The AP black cleaver is Abyssal mask

[@bl4ckfi5h]

Great video! Just a tip, try lowering your mics gain, so it doesn't pick reverb from your room

[@robertharp16]

playing cassio and seeing early mercs on AD champs feels so bad cuz void is much a meh item on her pre 4th item, an AP cleaver with ap/health and cdr would be freaking amazing

[@Mrcatletsplay-Rift]

that rammus clip physically pained me

[@hdh7365]

I wish there was an item that gave crit, ad and attack speed (possibly a simple ramping AS passive or something would work for a passive) that DIDNT build out of a bf sword because marksmen don't have the best rush items atm

[@DarkinWithin]

If shield reduction was readily available all shields would need to be buffed to function as intended, Riot August covers things like this on his stream.

[@user-fk1ew3kg8r]

I think it could be really interesting to see Riot implement items with negative effects for a cost. Say a marksmen item that gives you some good stats but also gives -30 ability haste, or a mage item which disables your ability to autoattack but gives a bunch of ability haste. Having items similar to Risk of Rain 2 lunar items could make for some really interesting combos. Helfire tincture could be a tank item which as an active creates a big burn around you which also damages yourself. Gesture of the drowned could also be really cool/fun, with it giving massive item haste for active items, but forces them to be used off cooldown. The list of cool items goes on, and I'm sure taking inspiration from other games item mechanics could be cool. Maybe combining two items into one like in Vampire Survivors, or items which passively take money like the rental cards in Balatro.

[@s.b.e._9692]

The high risk high reward item would be broken on tanks like k'sante. He would go all out and maybe he doesn't have ad scaling but his auto attack would hurt like hell