Balance Nightmares: The Most BROKEN Champions (Literally) | League of Legends

[@VarsVerum]

Fixed the ear piercing sibilance :D Hopefully the S's sound less death inducing~

[@rodrigosa1162]

hi from portugal

[@flameofmage1099]

Mind if we get a video on A Sol. Wether he needs a rework?

[@SadToffee]

my ears don't explode anymore, gj.

[@sassyassbee946]

I noticed! It's so much nicer now no offense!

[@wraith6233]

SoloQ just needs to become more team oriented and not a solo person against the world..

[@TwistedTeaFate]

Inversely, there's a special pain in playing a champion that's so well-balanced that they haven't recieved a buff in a year, but all your items get nerfed, and everyone is getting compensation buffs except you.

[@idioticidiot5693]

vel'koz

[@Step43099]

I feel like this with Syndra but I’m not entirely sure if she’s gotten any buffs or nerfs in a while

[@Cynsham]

@@Step43099 she literally got buffed like a patch ago, reduced q mana cost

[@TheMISTIK2000]

sounds like any mage

[@srhamlet1617]

everyone forgets about jayce

[@nintendope2976]

Me when I play Kalista: this champ is so weak When I face a Kalista: wtf this champ is broken

[@lozsixs9072]

literally every champion if they know how to play it.

[@distraction2803]

I've only been frustrated playing against Kalista 1 time, and only because I was playing Ezreal and couldn't hit a single Q all game

[@fraidei2094]

Try to play a kalista with a premade support that plays Braum or taric

[@Black-nf3tx]

@@fraidei2094 i played alistar for this first time with my duo who played kallista and while the enemies were pretty bad, it felt pretty strong. I even got my friend his first penta of the season that game

[@stormdragon2529]

kalista players only play duo with supp mains, usually tresh, braum.

[@xteminadorx001]

"If irelia and Akali didn't have these abilities they wouldn't be irelia and Akali" Meanwhile Aatrox mains without anything from him: *sad darkin noises*

[@mr.paperbag771]

New Aatrox Q3 is basically old Aatrox Q. But yeah, It's pretty sad

[@bruh1704]

@@mr.paperbag771 ???

[@ExposingOreo]

Old W is now his passive

[@hetoverseo3887]

@@ExposingOreo Just the lifesteal every 20s (less if you use your Qs), the extra damage by sacrificing hp is gone.

[@axellyann5085]

This made me quit league. Honestly, Aatrox was like 95% of my will to play league, and the other 5% is between Zyra and Diana. They remove my Aatrox, then after that remove my RQ Diana. I have literally no reason to play league, but still from time to time i log in to play some aram when i have nothin better to do. Its 3 years since and i'm still pissed. lol

[@alejandropetit6573]

One of the biggest problems for kalista imo is how much slows and as cripples destroy her, both her mobility and her dps are tied together and dependant on one another, so if she gets slowed her dash range get shortened as well, and if she gets crippled then she attacks way less and she dashes less often as a result. slows and cripples are basically roots to her, if you're having problems vs a kalista just buy frozen heart, it just works

[@hqhuy931]

Flanking, bursting, any form of cc except silence is enough to render her useless

[@spicykorean]

This still doesn't fix her near 100% baron and dragon control by stacking spears. Sure, you could cap the number of spears, but that would take away the core of her kit and fantasy theme.

[@CorruptionAura]

They should just make it so all mobility skills get the same nerf as kalista jump does. Including even flash.

[@dixstainz412]

@@CorruptionAura but flash is a blink

[@cloudynguyen6527]

This feelsl ike any Vars's point about why no one play. She clearly has a weakness... but problem is, Riot keep pushing their bullshit "everything in one champ" design. Champion with distinct weakness like Kalista feels lackluster to play when you can have someone better than her.

[@northslate4850]

Ryze pre-rework was basically a free win. The instant, non dodge-able, non counterable snare was hilarious. To use. Not to play against.

[@theanydd1]

Well, i remember his old design when his R made all his spells an Aoe. THAT was broken

[@shanecoffing]

@@theanydd1 yeah. Going spellvamp with that aoe ult was nuts, I remember late game ryyze could one vs 5 teams back then.

[@louisrobitaille5810]

@@shanecoffing Actually, all Ryze's iterations can do that, the previous ones just made it way easier.

[@AlryFireBlade]

Someone remember the pro play when ryze perma roots the maokai in early game until maokai was dead xD Or when his e could 1 hit you, when you stand in your minions and he used ult?

[@Jayynoz.]

@@AlryFireBlade i still remember that clip. they were bot lane and Mao was under tower to literally forced to sit there LMAO

[@cohoslash5893]

The video is only accurate if you make 9 remakes of this to simulate ryzes design

[@burntastic7547]

This

[@simplyskrypt3914]

And 17 if you add kayle

[@buildawall5803]

I hate how irelia has the healing of a warwick while having the mobility of a yasuo it's so stupid

[@johnpauljonesisabadass8134]

Idk why they haven't remove the healing part yet, don't just nerf it, just straight up remove it pls riot

[@PhoenixIsTrash]

Mobility of an assassin/diver, damage comparable to that of most hyper carries, durability comparable to most juggernauts thanks to her constant healing, hard cc, soft cc, damage reduction and an AS buff. Her kit if far too overloaded for one champion, but none of these things on their own are that broken. They could fix her if they wanted too but they don't for reasons of character assassination. And as anyone will point out her only counters are CC which counters every other champion in the game (except olaf), and anti heal... Which in itself is in a state of requirement in every game because of the prevalence of champions with self healing now. Every other champion either has an inbuilt heal, or takes one through runes.

[@summonersriftgarbage4426]

@@PhoenixIsTrash i mean, yes but why doeq they feel the need to put a build in heal when she dash and her insane healing capacity, like she already an insane amount of damage, she build like an adc most of the time, idk why they judged nessesary to give her, healing, damage reduction, stun, a "cage" that slow and put a mark on you, like you said everything she have make her overloaded, she is literally 4 good side of 4 champs!

[@herrmitbusen228]

Passive: More attack speed than jax passive, more damage than warwick passive, q - yasuo e which also has insane damage and healing, w - huge damage reduction great

[@duytran9086]

She needs a 0.5/0.75s delay after a Q reset in order to Q again, just like Yasuo's E. So at least people can catch her when there are like 10 minions around.

[@pharoahman475]

For the Pro Play problems it really stings since they often don't get played in Pro Play either, and how vehement riot is about it. Azir has a nasty tendency to if he is even selected in a single Pro Play match, to get nerfed the following patch win or lose. It makes me somewhat wish for a separate patch server for pro play, so some champions will actually be able to be used in Solo Queue.

[@GoldenBerry33]

agree 100%

[@OljeiKhan]

+ if pro teams don't want to fight a non-gutted and not-undertuned Azir , THEY CAN BAN AZIR.

[@collinharris4848]

The fact Riot has no response to a champion being good in pro-play but bad in norms or solo q shocks me. I can come up with 3 ways to solve the problem in 30 seconds by myself with no game dev experience, but an entire team of professionals over years can't ?

[@xCorvus7x]

@@collinharris4848 What solutions do you have in mind?

[@collinharris4848]

@@xCorvus7x Different servers Reworks ARAM treatment of champion numbers based on skill level/MMR/brackets/rank etc.

[@kepikep3739]

OMG, I love this topic, can be renamed :"Rito's big errors"

[@ΔημήτρηςΛάππας-θ7η]

OOOO

[@theimmortaleye7511]

That they admit are errors . Stuff like yone and viego are on other levels of error

[@_zzeero]

@@theimmortaleye7511 weird way to spell seraphine

[@theimmortaleye7511]

@@_zzeero her gameplay is incredibly tame shes just a lame ripoff of sona and a disgusting marketingploy, but only gameplay wise shes basicly lux and sonas baby with slow skillshots and a better ult. But true gameplay errors are yone, viego,gwen and akshan which just designed with passives longer than rammus entire kit, so ofc they will be meta and used. I only dont like her for being a better neeko support since i love neeko support.

[@_zzeero]

@@theimmortaleye7511 idk whatever the fuck your point is but we're talking about "Riot's big errors" and seraphine has a bullshit-fuckery of a lore

[@jeffsyndrome4812]

"Balance nightmares" Pretty much 50 percent of the league roster XD

[@LaPrezzzzion]

"If no one's balanced, everyone is balanced" -Rito 2009

[@helvetios549]

Maybe that's because the champs that aren't balance nightmares are the ones that rito hasn't touched since 2009.

[@jeffsyndrome4812]

@@helvetios549 Pretty much, for the most part at least.

[@Brukin.]

Only 50%?

[@voilvelev6775]

Im surprised he didnt put Sylas on the list. He had half of his effects removed since release and when he came out he was getting nerfed or tweaked LITERALLY EVERY SINGLE PATCH.

[@Fremilia]

"One mechanic that isnt fun to play against" Akali: looks at her kit, looks back to the video, yeah we didnt see that

[@zandromex8985]

Of course we didn´t see that, it´s in shroud

[@Dingdong2730]

Yep, its never fun to play a game where you know your only chance of winning this matchup is if your opponent messes up. Thankfully Akali players do this a lot, its a hard and complex champ where you have to think many moves ahead, but its not real counterplay.

[@Fremilia]

@@Dingdong2730 yeah the only way to beat that bs is winning the early because there shes actually weak

[@mahdihosseini5438]

@@Dingdong2730 she will just press E and one shot you!!!

[@wrex4699]

@@zandromex8985 People are having trouble with Akali's design when the only thing that is actually objectively unacceptable is that she has 450 base dmg on max lvl E. Lower that to something like 200 and we're good. Also longer cd on q but less energy would also be a welcome change.

[@CorruptionAura]

A big thing they need to get away from is resets or at least extremely easy ability resets. Old irelia was good where she had to kill to get the reset. They could fix a lot of frustration by reverting that and making the debuff proc just give a small cd reduction

[@LegendaryFusions]

The best example is master yi. I dont care if he one shots me while being untargetable but its very unfair that he is able to be perma untargetable just because he got a takedown

[@michapiasta3072]

@@LegendaryFusions and its a issue bcs of duskblade.

[@milonchello1643]

@@LegendaryFusions but yi resets are some of the more balanced ones, his reset is only for 70% of the cd , and trust me it used to be worst if you played during ap yi era you know what i mean.

[@LegendaryFusions]

@@milonchello1643 ik he had a way more op version but with some ability haste that 70% is like 90%

[@OljeiKhan]

@@LegendaryFusions but Yi is squishy unlike Irelia. If Yi isn't untargetable he will die to a breeze. There's a reason why his most viable build is the Duskblade cheese build where you avoid being targeted at all and die to aoe instead.

[@kieserite]

"Some of these champions are a lot better at high levels of play" Shows the LCS logo.

[@senshiie9240]

Damn Finally a man of good faith

[@Xertaron.]

The main reason Akali is broken is due to fact that only select few champions have the ability to reveal her during her smoke bomb. If there was an item that grants true sight she wouldn't be nearly as problematic. If you try to gank her, she pops W and runs away, in teamfight it creates massive issue, because inability to target her gives her huge zone control, which is not something assasin should have. Riot keeps nerfing her damage which is futile. Her damage isn't an issue, it's how quickly and safely she can deal it - low risk, high reward most of the time. I hate to bring Dota 2 everytime, but if Akali was a hero in that game she would be just another one in the pool and no one aside from the lowest of lowest rank players would complain about her, because there's plenty of counterplay for everything she can do. Irelia's can't be fixed by tweaking her numbers, because her main issue stands from how the game is designed - your own minions are your worst enemies. Again, if minions could be denied like in Dota 2, the lane dynamic would change drastically and both Irelia and her opponent would have to play carefully. Denied minion wouldn't refund cooldown or provide healing which would force Irelia to actually plan her engagements instead of going brrrr after 3 minions get low on hp. But of course denying won't be added anytime soon, as it would require to adjust multiple weak early game champions and minion behavior, so she will remain frustrating to play against especially in mid lane. I believe what's causing all of this is the fact that Riot kept adding new champions with more and more ludicrous mechanics, but the game ifself didn't evolve with it's rising roster. Summoner's Rift, with few exeptions like turret platings and elemental dragons, is played nearly the same way for the past 10 years and it remains almost unchanged. There are no alternate objectives, win conditions, neutral items or anything of the sort. Riot can announce 10 new champions coming out next week and it won't matter, because how the game is played won't change at all, it will all boil down to who can kill an enemy in the quickest, most efficent way.

[@warlord2670]

Underrated comment

[@CvntyPussyWIllow]

What if akali loses some health when she uses the smoke bomb, but regenrates more health than she loses when shes in it. Hear me out, she needs to be more cautious when she uses it, because if she uses it in the middle of a teamfight and a chunk of her health misses she can get killed easier by a random ability. And she'll have to stay longer in it to regenerate her health, sl opposing champions can actually calculate how long it takes before her health is returned. She also gets the "guard down" staus effect, which means that any damage she takes while shrouded is amplified by 25%-15% (based on lvl) when shes in it. Or she just loses a bunch of mr and armor when shes in it.

[@CvntyPussyWIllow]

Or like a summoner spell that applies cripple in an area so she cant use movement abilities in it.

[@NothingSerious...2]

@@CvntyPussyWIllow bad design and that nerf makes no sense? Vlad looses his hp but he heals a ton same with mundo, also early game akali has no sustain and is already kinda crippeled by huge energy cost.

[@NothingSerious...2]

Well i don't agree. Her dmg is part of the problem her e deals a tone thst it got to the point when any target that is not bruiser or tank will get over 800dmg from E2 because it deals magic dmg which is far less reducable than attack dmg She is also not fun to play early bc her q energy cost is so hugh that after using q you have nothing for a few seconds. She was designed to be that shroudy assasin that is mobile and kills from shadows with her kamas. Imo they should either nerf her e scaling or revert it to ad dmg. Nerf her shroud duration and buff a bit her q scaling or base dmg. Nerfing her skill expression like removing middle dash q is not helping

[@SoPrAverUns]

One way that i think they could improve tournaments and prevent you from seeing the same comp all over is that they could implement a list for each team. Every champ picked by them or the opposing team cannot be used for the rest of the tournament starting on the quarter finals and each list is exclusive to that team. That would create fun strategies where you could either pick strong champs at the start to reduce the amount of plays and "reduce" the list or leave the stronger champs in the bench for when they are needed.

[@galactick3816]

For this they would likely have to get rid of bans in tournaments since if a team kept the strong champs for later, they would just get target banned. Let's say that after every game you'd have to ban 1 champion you played in that game (groups would eliminate 8 champs for each team if you have 5 team groups) and it would reward teams that manage to pull of 3:0s and 3:1s since they would have 1 or 2 champs more than the team that got through on 5 game Bo5s. (If this was the rule, DWG would have likely won just because they stomped before and EDG went to game 5 in almost every round after groups)

[@neidergamerbr1034]

Azir and Aurelion Sol gotta be here.

[@ReigoVassal]

Yeah, they're looks overpowered right now. Let's nerf them.

[@jekabssirsnins374]

nerf azir pls so i have more reasons to not play the game

[@stormdragon2529]

aurelion is very powerfull only in solo Q if a onetrick is playing him. which you'll see once every 1000 games, probably

[@Zero-zr6xx]

Dem 1% aurelion mains are just too powerful Riot's brain said "hmm Asol sEeMs bROkEn aNd StrOnk letze nerF cuS high winrate. Hmm yes bAlAncEd" It's like riot forgot that Asol's Pick rate is so godamn low💀

[@stormdragon2529]

@@Zero-zr6xx aurelion sol winrate is really big only cause one-tricks are playing him and noone else. imagine if only onetricks would play akali , she'd have like 60% winrate, but she's really popular so that wont happen. same with asol, if noobs would play him he'd have 40% winrate

[@Eitya]

Feedback : I live thoses "glitch" effets for transition but don't use them too much, you should use other effect such as a fade-in/out, or just pop. Otherwise it can get very repetitive. Wish you long lasting luck on Genshin & other gacha too

[@MeadowEdits]

Hey thanks for the feedback!

[@Poxyquotl]

I think the coordination element is the thing that makes certain things so much better in pro-play than in soloque. Ryze ult is 10x better and more impactful when you’re in comms. It goes from meh cross map mobility to single handedly game winning macro tool when everyone is on the same page. Prop layers are not THAT much better than soloque players at the high end of the ladder. In many instances they’re actually mechanically WORSE, what they do have is practice and experience working as a coordinated unit, which is not what you’ll get in soloque, reguardless of elo. And what I think all of the ‘balance nightmare’ champions have is either they are too self-sufficient (I.e they need very little from their team in order to execute their play style) or they synergize too well with coordination.

[@StormVulture]

I always love when you talk about Azir, Vars. I wish he could be more viable in SoloQ and not a balance nightmare he currently is. Very imformative video on a lot of champions. :DDD

[@ceryage2796]

SoloQ is not about Azir,but he needs an rework

[@komgoo4974]

I'm very surprised how popular ryze is in pro play after everyone says the champion is not a champion anymore.

[@xxx6882]

SoloQ players don't care about what their allies champion want to do. A good ryze is impossible to kill unless he messes up or is "outplayed" by a champ with at least 3 dashes, as he can outruns an Udyr going full movement speed. If your team don't understand the meaning of late scaling champ and they don't protect him in teamfights (as he alone can deal enough damage to completely wipe out the enemy team) he will be trash.

[@antoniovictorHOP]

Whenever people say Ziggs is broken now i literally want to explode I have been playing ziggs and veigar bot since i started playing league, for years ziggs haven't been significantly buffed, until a recent speed boost on his ultimate, and now people are diguring that a mage in the late game is good and ziggs can delay games just by taking towers, wow you can win without have to kill your enemies, what a concept. Just a vent, i just wanted to play my yordle boys without being guttered with "he's so op" when you are just doing what you need todo to win games

[@mrbaconbeast8902]

the game is really focused on skirmishes or tf right now. i get he feeling that such picks as maokai ap (focuses on objective control), teemo, signed, or literally champions that don't win by figthing are treated like trolls because its not as straightforward as mashing toy figures together/

[@IDirtyMangoI]

He is being called op because of the forced ADC meta. He is easily countered by running a control mage bot instead of a traditional ADC. The thing is most players wouldn't dare, and many of their teammates would dodge claiming it's troll. Ziggs just gets to shit on ADCs and Bot lane in general because of this. So he's considered OP. I think it's justified to say he is OP from a meta standpoint but, if meta is ignored, then he's in a pretty fair position.

[@Dingdong2730]

@@IDirtyMangoI No, Ziggs is not meta botlane because he is good against ADCs, try playing Ziggs mid into Lucian mid for example and you will see what I mean. Or play Ziggs bot into Yasuo or Samira after they get 1-2 items. Any champ that can build Wits End will also hard win against Ziggs 1v1 after they get said item. Ziggs is pretty good into control mages I think, simply because of ranged advantage, same reason why Xerath is really good into champs like Orianna, Viktor, Anivia, but really struggles into champs with good target access like Zed, Fizz and LB. Ziggs is good bot because of a few things: - Doesn't depend on own support to win lane, so he can play with scaling supports like Senna/Sona/Yuumi or roaming supports and it wont hurt your game. - Insane waveclear, makes you very difficult to dive, and you can clear waves from like an entire screen away so you dont even have to leave tower and you still dont fall too far behind in cs. - Most midlaners have roaming patterns and become strong sidelaners, Ziggs' only play mid is to punish roaming by taking tower and he cant push up in a sidelane. Botlaners are not supposed to roam and will be mid in the mid/lategame, perfect for Ziggs' team because they wont lose anything from having no midlaner to join early skirmishes. - Apart from Lucian, Tristana, Kaisa, (Yasuo, Akshan) and Samira, who all have to be paired with an engage/hook support, there are no rough matchups. The reason Ziggs moved bot was mostly just assassin/skirmisher meta in mid, he has always been a good pick into other "neutral" mage champs, but his ultra neutral playstyle really just hurts your team way too much when you pick him in midlane into a champ like Sylas, Talon, Katarina etc. who might not be able to solo kill him in lane since you dont leave your tower on Ziggs, but loves skirmishes in river/jungle or roaming bot to gank/dive.

[@angpham941]

I fucking feel you man I played ziggs for a whole week grinding him from mastery 1 to 7 for fun, end up thinking why the fuck no one plays him. Hes so fun and really skill expressive. Now hes meta and that means some nerfs comin Rip

[@espio329]

ziggs is annoying but no way in hell i'd call him OP.

[@Sanaber13]

Hecarim seems like one of those champions that could do with a bit of retooling to his kit. His E and his Ult feel nice. His Q could get a lil love and E could be reworked to do something else.

[@rasmusmalmberg6468]

The problem with Heca is that he's kind of a tank kind of an assassin and kind of a bruiser, and he either does all 3 really well or none that well. Couple that with the insane out of combat MS, strong clear on Q and great teamfight CC with ult he's way too well rounded for his own good leaving him with that insanely polarised winrate/pickrate timeline.

[@orkhepaj]

it should fuck girl champs and make little hecas come out of them when they die

[@vph6823]

Maybe make him ghosted while on E?

[@ainimation1757]

To be honest, if a champion is a balanced nightmare, they really need a rework overhaul.

[@IDirtyMangoI]

Correct.

[@icet0p100]

That is easier said than done unfortunately. It is not easy to think of a way to balance a champion while also keeping the identity of the champion. No matter how much we hate a champion, I think everyone can agree that we don't want any champion to go the way of aatrox. I personally despise fizz, but I wouldn't want him to be removed or changed to be an entirely new champion. There is a balance between both keeping the kits fair and balanced but also making sure that the champion has a set identity.

[@cloudynguyen6527]

@@icet0p100 I agree. It's not wise to spend time redesigning a champion's ability code then get shit on community. It's just way too risky and time consuming... that is why I propose a simple solution to ease everyone. Just make another Lux skin :D

[@sopadefideos5636]

Nice, rework 15 last champs

[@icet0p100]

@@cloudynguyen6527 As a lux main, I heartedly agree…though i also main Yasuo so idk

[@felipearango4257]

Reforging an identity is more than possible, look at aatrox, when you say "keeping their identity", the problem lingers on. This things are like a splinter, the faster you remove them, the less pain they cause

[@joaopedrocruz6432]

Aatrox was a really bad rework, he doesn't even have an identity anymore.

[@obijuankenobi3814]

@@joaopedrocruz6432 Most people would agree with that, but the precedent still stands. If a champion's identity is unhealthy for the game, then it has to be changed. Hence why they removed Aatrox's revive after his rework was out for a bit. Yeah everyone remembered him having the cool revive with the blood pool but it wasn't fun and only added frustration to the game. If only they did this with tons of these other champions that still need it.

[@joaopedrocruz6432]

@@obijuankenobi3814 A revive isn't unhealthy, specially one that requires a kill to be in effect. People were just fighting him the wrong way, and when the revive was removed his pro play- solo queue divide only grew more.

[@rommdan2716]

@@joaopedrocruz6432 You sound like an Akali main

[@joaopedrocruz6432]

@@rommdan2716 Don't play assassin's in general they are too weak.

[@greatgatorgaming6024]

Still a loyal azir fan despite him not being ideal in solo queue and occasionally producing some of the worst frustration i feel in this game.

[@lunarthicclipse8219]

Same despite how bugged his r is and that ur soldiers deal close to caster minion dmg while taking back 10% of ur hp from minion aggro i still love the champ tbh

[@Ferniva93]

The pro play champs are easiest to balance: just split proplay from regular play because pro play is not representative of solo queue in any way. Game time also tells you why pro play meta is so different and scaling champs have a chance to get picked. Give them a unique patch with specific balance and let them run wild, it would actually be more entertaining to watch. Overloaded champs are fixable when their kit is fixed. How to fix irelia? No more infinity dash resets without a q kill. How to fix akali? Bring back control wards revealing her in shroud. Its not as hard as people make it out to be.

[@peteriusfisherius6292]

i wish theyd just fix his bugs...thats all i ask

[@mothman2506]

8:09 the comet landing on the ground smoothly matches the noise from the background music

[@amarieldar217]

Playing kalista late game feels like shit sometimes if they have ignite and anti heal ur just ded

[@4rc-en-ciel]

nah the most shit you can feel while playing Kalista is when they have an auto attack slow or slow in general

[@pikminologueraisin2139]

play Draven, it's fun everytime

[@ΔημήτρηςΛάππας-θ7η]

@@4rc-en-ciel you don't know what true pain feels like until a nasus presses W on you while playing kalista

[@hayemiranda7647]

@@ΔημήτρηςΛάππας-θ7η It is a 4sec slow if i am not mistaken, but it must feel like hours lmao

[@4rc-en-ciel]

@@ΔημήτρηςΛάππας-θ7η I've had that pain on Quinn when I player her top :). Also felt the pain of playing Kalista top and gettting slowed by darius.

[@mal9369]

I love azir, hes one of my favourite champs too play! But between the increase in mobility in the game, the shortness of games, and how weak he needs to be kept, hes just unplayable :(

[@ceryage2796]

He is pretty playable,but to actually play and be cool you need to be a fucking nerd machine that training every day 19 hours straight

[@zyad48]

3:50 ok tbf, losing physical damage isn't by any means a bad thing for someone who primarily builds ap, it means any magic pen she builds actually benefits those abilities Mixed damage only really _helps_ a champion when they primarily do physical damage but have a couple things that do magic, because everyone naturally has less magic resist than armor, having the random physical damage on only the _first_ part of her ult for example, effectively means it does no real damage because she builds ap and magic penetration, since they changed her ult to have only magic damage and an actual ap scaling, it's straight up done more damage even if the base values are slightly lower

[@joebazooka5679]

It was back then when gunblade was a thing so she had hybrid damage making her hard to build against. But since she scaled with both physical and magic damage Gunblade was the perfect item for akali .

[@odeer7049]

I think one way to fix them is to make solo queue a stand alone mode with separate champion stats. Just like how they adjust champion stats in ARAM

[@xxx6882]

That would be using the brain, and rito doesn't like that

[@Liger-Inuzuka]

You've touched upon this in the video, but to agree with you I'd say a "balance nightmare" is due to design moreover than numbers. A really good design, as in a champion's kit or playstyle, is going to be good regardless of numerical or statistical changes. A poorly designed champion will remain bad for the same reasons. If there is a frustrating design element in a champion's kit that is the source of all frustration and is the reason why that champion has to be totally nerfed and changed over and over again, I'd say for the health of the game that thing has to be changed or removed. Riot designed them, they can find a way to balance them. They don't want to because of this idea that a champion has an immovable, stone identity. They can find a way around it and keep the identity, they have entire teams of designers. Obviously a frustrating design is not fun for players to deal with if they're strong and thus prefer to have that nerfed into non-playability. However on the flip side, it also isn't fun as a main of those champions to basically pilot a nerfed champion that requires you to play perfectly to make use of that champion's high potential and stay "weak" to make up for it, especially if just a few Pro Players can abuse it. So what, Azir and Ryze lovers have to remain weak and frustrated because a Pro Player might play them too much? That's not a fun state to be in either. I would gladly trade in some of that potential power, if it meant my champion could theoretically be played to a more normal state more consistently.

[@quickredf0x143]

I've never understood why the few are able to ruin the experience on a champion for the many.

[@hovhannes5]

Azir is playable in theory. There's strength in his kit still. It's just that he's super buggy and riot doesn't bother/can't fix it.

[@galactick3816]

Azir in particular is frustrating becauce he has massive area control and DPS in late game. If they really wanted to balance him, they could nerf the AP scaling on the soldiers and increase base dmg on his Q so in early he'd play more like burst mage and wouldn't be useless, but his late game DPS would drop in return. Yuumi is probably the most frustrating champion design IMO - Too safe for how effective she is. You could cut her numbers by half on everything and the issues would still stand. I think the fix there would be that she takes % of the dmg the person she's attached to takes. That would either force her to be attached to long range champs that avoid dmg altogether or would have to use her E on herself as well if she's attached to bruiser and give the champion actual skill expression. Also, the free poke in lane since her Q is really hard to miss... Give her better AP ratio on it but gut the base dmg...

[@vladislavkaras491]

Man, those series are really awesome! As a Azir, Zed twotrick (?) I really understand the pain between giving a good numbers, and actually enjoying the gameplay. Like, one day I had actually 80% winrate on Azir, until I got to the plat 1, then, when your team does not really know how to play with you, and enemies are just smashing buttons, because they have got champs like Garen, it is much harder to climb. The atmosphere in the video is so great! Thanks for the video!

[@tronique5736]

Kalista could be fixed, because the main reason she is so dominant in pro play is her rend on objectives. If rend were hard capped vs monsters, then her objective control would be much more consistent, making it easier to balance that mechanic and her general efficiency separately.

[@maciejkleszczynski9808]

Exactly! Identify a problem instead of mindlessly giving a champion +2 base AD or removing 10 Health

[@ExposingOreo]

"I used to rule the world" - old Yorick mains, probably

[@Fushur7]

Very nice Video, only idea i would have for Balancing the Pro Tier champs is giving them the treatment like u have on Aram were certain champs receive buffs or nerfs dependen on the bracket they are played in, Basicly lowering their numbers the higher the level they are played in. Of course this has it's own Problems like Smurfs abusing the hell out of them in lower Elo and stuff but at least it would allow solo queue players to enjoy those champions as well.

[@h2relic721]

i love your vids so much man. there's something calming about them.

[@VarsVerum]

muh voice ;3

[@STALKER777LK]

VARUS. he is too good ap, ad, on hit, crit, pure mana. That's a really strong design and unfortunately that may hurt other weaker varus builds. Balancing nightmare. Also Aurelion Sol, he is either THE threat or just a little lizard that can't kite or kill

[@nicolasveron9601]

I always wondered why I like your content so much and know I find out that not only you know your fair bit about Pokemon but Yu-Gi-Oh as well. Massive respect

[@vando480]

I'd say Aatrox is a balance nightmare. Without anti-heal he heals himself in seconds and substantially, but when it's present he really becomes a cc bot.

[@rick30521]

He heals a lot with goredrinker though, kinda like Vlad, but less consistently and he kinda doesn't deal enough damage or kills you in seconds...

[@vando480]

Yeah, and with that in mind in a tf you get ignited 2/3 times and get assblasted by the enemy team

[@LAtttiful]

I think riot should (for some champs) have adjustments customized to only solo que and another only ranked. So that one champ wont be ass or too OP in ranked. And its still playable and fun in solo. You're dealing with two different groups of players.

[@johnnyrhec]

The issue with this is that a large part of Leagues appeal is the similarities between a pro game and a regular game. Players are more attached and care more about a game they can PLAY. Even though the game itself is the same the differences in stats/different balancing would be off putting.

[@Zero-zr6xx]

Yeah idk why they still make Pro-Play and Solo-Que in the same pile of sh8t It be much easier to balance to seperate the two

[@hunterhubbs1977]

I love seeing the Yugioh comparisons as a yugioh player

[@100organicfreshmemes5]

Hecarim and similar champions are balance nightmares because they're stat sticks, all they do is run you down and if they have better numbers they win with very little counterplay opportunities. It's why item changes effect him so heavily. He's a prime example of a champion that needs a rework IMO, both so he can be in a healthier spot and have more of a unique identity.

[@ismaelomaribanez]

Would adding a cooldown to irelia's q reset (separate from the ACTUAL q cd) help? I don't know, maybe once she uses her Q, she has 10 seconds of opportunity for resets, then a 30s cd where she cannot reset it even with landing ult or E. Or something like that. It's been ages since I last played league but I remember new Irelia being one of the reasons I quit.

[@lolosh99]

Just ban her lol?

[@MeadowEdits]

Hey cool video, I really like the part at 12:42 about vlad

[@ericthune147]

Pro play just needs to be a different version than the regular game

[@BlackPenzo]

To balance a champ I think Riot needs to 1 provide every champ with counterplay (messing up yourself does not count as counterplay) 2 decrease the variables per ability (a champ with 50 different abilities will always be better or have to have all of them nerfed than one with less utility) 3 design less around the extremes of skill (I like skill expressive design and I think we need easy champs too but instead of going from 1/10 to 10/10 for dificulty lets keep them at 3 to 7 so champs aren't useless in either low elo or pro play)

[@shaggysci3129]

post rework Azir was a monster shooting up to like 53%(solo) which was higher than his win rate in release as well as pick rate coming close to his 2016 pick rate peak of 16% . I think now there are just easier champs that do the same thing for less, and can do it without the team peeling them such as vlad. as well as the meta shifting toward assassins that counter Azir like zed and kat.

[@Abyzdecannes]

Ryze is the exemple of peak 200 years hypocrisy When Riot decided to rework and give him this teleportation ultimate, they made the stupidest move of their whole career. Ryze was too good in competitive and organized play, so what does Riot do ? They give him THE MOST TEAM RELIANT ULTIMATE IN THE ENTIRE GAME. A brand new spell, that allows you to teleport your entire team. This is the most braindead change they have EVER done to any champion, this rework did not change anything for Ryze, they made him even more skewed towards pro play. They have no idea what they're doing. And that last mini rework he got where they removed his shields helped a little bit but he completely lost his identity, he's just a no brain no skill spam champion that doesn't even need to aim his skillshots cause everything bounces everywhere

[@nacaurel]

That Whitney frustration can be solve by getting a Machop from the NPC at the store.

[@eamichelena]

As an ex hecarim main (been playing him for 6 years) I can tell that his gameplay and game design is toxic for the game... he has a few ways to show skill expression, but his true flaw is that his damage needs to be kept low... Otherwise a super quick beefy bruiser will do assassin's jobs better than assassins by oneshotting priority targets that he sees vulnerable from 2-3 screens away And that's his identity, he doesn't have enough CC/peel to be an effective tank and is too fast for his own team to keep up meaning he either has absurd numbers to 1v9 carry with no counterplay or he will suffer from being too fast for his own team... At the end of the day hecarim is left in a state where its frustrating to play him since his numbers are too low to carry alone and he's too fast to be able to play in coordination with a team exploiting hec's own strength (speed) Right now I personally have a wide-ish champ pool of meta junglers that I can play well and don't really play hecarim anymore, but whenever he becomes OP again I will abuse the shit out of him for free LP

[@orkhepaj]

yep , it is pointless to ward vs him , he is just too quick

[@eamichelena]

@@orkhepaj no its not, you need to ward properly and not brainlessly

[@eamichelena]

@@orkhepaj ward near dragon/herald pit for bot/top since his ganks are quick but telegraphed and you should be good

[@orkhepaj]

@@eamichelena then he just comes with jump rock and then uses ulti , there are not enough wards to get every path

[@july_paradox3094]

You freakin read my mind. I was thinking just yesterday if you would ever cover a video about champs that are balance nightmares

[@danielbatista8760]

Akali was a unstoppable force when her rework first came out, you were not safe in your fountain

[@witchee3041]

I've never understood why they didn't just give kalista the jinx treatment and cap her spear damage on large monsters. Seems like an easy fix to me.

[@frankieyuen9363]

I think for Irelia anyways is that she’s basically strong or good the whole game. With her passive she’s scary as hell to fight early and late game because healing of op she’s basically unkillable while dashing around

[@SpartinWolfE]

I think the problem with irelia is that she does alot of damage and she can tank alot of damage like as an adc its not worth it to aa irelia she just heals it all back you literally do net 0 damage even if you have 600 ad. Irelia can drop to 10% hp q a whole wave of minons and be back up to 100% hp its kinda bs

[@labros9999]

I think they should remove the healing on her dash entirely.

[@hycix705]

One thing abt Irelia (as a former OTP): While her teamfights are not easy, her laning phase is pretty much braindead into most champs, especially after vamp scepter

[@HectorSGCG]

When a bunch of characters are overpowered because of "esports". Maybe it's because the champions aren't the real problem.

[@bevvvy1374]

I mean if they can't be balanced around the top level of play, yes it is the champs that are the problem. That's like saying "oh this fighting game Character is S tier but they're hard to play. It's not the character that is the problem though!"

[@marianoherrera6038]

It's totally delusional thinking you can balance a game for both pro play and regular mundane players. Riot just likes money and doesn't give a fuck about how they achieve that goak

[@Kitusser]

@@marianoherrera6038 how does your first sentance correlate to the 2nd one

[@marianoherrera6038]

@@Kitusser The new changes were made to make pro play look faster and more engaging, flashier. Have you seen LPL? It's just one big Aram for 20 minutes

[@joaopedrocruz6432]

The problem are the normal players who are bad at the game,simple as that.

[@cokecan6169]

I think there's two other points that they regularly overlook. One, winrates from champion mains and higher elo players vs meta pick ups and low elo players. If a champion is doing way too well on mains and higher elo it needs nerfs regardless of how poorly ot might work in low elo or in the hands of a new player. Certain champions just take more experience to play well and we need to accept that and not buff them to compensate for not having accumulated frequent flyer miles on them. The other point is identifiable counter play. Champion designs needs clear, recognizable weaknesses. TF has no escapes, relies on burst, and has obvious ability downtimes. Velkoz needs to land multiple slow skill shots. Garen can be kited and has clear abilities that you want to avoid and can. These are just examples, but even when they are better than average you never feel at a loss as to what you can do against them. The most problematic champions are the one's where you have no idea what you're doing wrong because there are so many little things you have to watch out for that it's never clear what you should be doing to beat them, eg Fiora, Irelia, Kaisa, Sett, Katarina, or Samira. Sure, "lock them down with hard cc" always works eventually, but that's not an option in laning phase, and it's also the counter to literally everything. I know how to dodge Taliyah rocks, that mobility spells and stasis can deny a Zed ult, and that if I dodge Malphite ult he has nothing after that's a threat. But what specifically can I do to beat a Yuumi post lane, an Irelia with full stacks, or a Fiora with one sustain item? The answer always seems to be "try to take as less damage as possible while dealing enough to kill or stall them," even though the amount of work you have to do to avoid their damage far outclasses the effort they need to invest. That's not very transparent gameplay.

[@orkhepaj]

probably the sanest comment here no wonder they cant balance if they base it on w/l stats for high elo and nothing else it completely misses the part where mostly noobs play these op champs bringing the win rates down

[@sanithashukoor3946]

As a ryze main I want my shields back. I this season no roa , no shield from seraphs. This season he is just a burst mage with a range of a battle mage

[@komgoo4974]

And somehow hes still picked in pro play and high elo a ton. These champs are WEIRD.

[@sanithashukoor3946]

@@komgoo4974 He is picked because of his wave clear reliable cc and realm warp in co-ordinate play in game changing. But in solo que It used as a TF ult with less range.

[@komgoo4974]

@@sanithashukoor3946 Lol. His r can also be a perfect way to int the game.

[@sanithashukoor3946]

@@komgoo4974 I really wish they bring desperate power back. It would increase his dueling potential. Nerf to pro play but a significant buff to solo que

[@komgoo4974]

​@@sanithashukoor3946 Every league player wants buffs for their champs even when its unjust. Ryze mains want their sheild. Akali mains (such as I used to be) want half of our kit back or at least the ability to go e+q because that is so stupid that they removed it. We will make one of the most fun champs in league require less ingenuity that's a smart idea.

[@kcStranger]

Vars: Never make something inherently frustrating! CertainlyT: KZbinr say what?

[@ultimocontrole9980]

One change to ryu was that if you cancel your upercut with a backdash it would use your 2 bars of meter, so the change was that if you canceled with a backdash it would do less damage than if you didnt, so if you dont cancel having the meter you would say to your oponent that you get them, maybe changes like this that makes the characters more expressive would be good for akali and irelia?

[@cheesemaster6463]

the biggest frustration is vayne top if you play a melee champion with little or few cloose gaps - she will outscale you - she makes you unable to lasthit - she pokes you so you will maybe lose even XP - she has better teamfight presence (especially with tanks/enchanter in her team) - your jungler has to literally camp her (but sometimes is unable to because he doesnt know better OR the vayne has insanely good map awareness) - she can out duel you in a side lane easily with R invis, bonus AD, knockback/stun, % true damage, mobility yes you can say vayne maybe needs skill, but once u have the skill it is "Frustrating" because it has no counterplay if you are good at her. And when a champion is unbeatable once played perfectly (like scripting levels) the champion is broken period. i dont care how skillful a champion is, it needs a weakness, and in top lane i can tell you, no ranged champion (cuz she has better all in and range herself) no ap burst champion (she will buy mercs + wits end) no juggernaut (literally no chance as to outrange knockback and % damage) and no melee carry can keep up with her.

[@nebeskisrb7765]

In Guild Wars 1, character skills had 2 different versions, PvE and PvP. Maybe Riot should also do the same thing and make separate version of champion skills for pro-play and the rest of us mere mortals. "But there are too many skills!" GW1 had thousands, so that's really no excuse.

[@paolom1647]

Vars video just in time for lunch break

[@eliasgrunewald2066]

Love your videos ever since i found your channel :) keep up the good work !

[@VarsVerum]

Thanks! Glad I can entertain~

[@EpicGamer-yv5nf]

I very much appreciate the Fire Emblem Fates music in the background

[@DronesOverTheMoon]

I had a talk about broken champs with my buddies yesterday. We also talked about the next rework to be on Aurelion he is just too unique to actually work in the game

[@InjuredLionBoxing]

I just think they should change his ult to be more basic and fun and he will see a much higher pick rate to fix his skewed win rate. In the lore pantheon and his people tricked aurelion sol and enslaved him using the golden helmet he now wears. A good rework for his ult that ive heard of is to have a short duration of time where the helmet is gone and aurelion sol gets his stats hugely buffed and takes on his true form. Hes not even strong he just has such a low pick rate that his win rate is skyrocketed by the few good players who play him very well. He just needs more players for it to balence out.

[@InjuredLionBoxing]

Riot wont fix him tho they will just keep nerfing him like they have the last 2 years because hes ACTUALLY unique and physically well designed. If he was another big booba anime girl yk he would have been reworked 2 years ago. but space dragons dont sell skins so...

[@Dingdong2730]

They either rework the E into some sort of combat mobility spell or the champ can never be balanced. You can't balance a champ that can shove midlane without using mana then fly straight down into botlane at lvl 3 and cc them.

[@witheredcamp2]

never thought I'd see gameplay of double in a tournament when watching a league video

[@supermariolover20]

Thanks for the fire emblem fates ost in the background :D

[@reesespiecessquidward]

Congrats on 100k :D

[@hopeiseverlastingofficial]

Good rundown, with good examples. I specifically like the HG/SS example 😃

[@sentientai3739]

Been waiting for a video on the 200 years foundation made my rito

[@doctordungus7774]

"I can't legitimately think of a way to make it so champions like Irelia and Akali can exist without having those abilities. They wouldn't be Irelia and Akali anymore." They're ALREADY not Irelia and Akali anymore. Irelia has a W that does true damage, an E that stuns anyone higher HP than her, and an ult that shoots 4 daggers out hit all enemies in a line. Akali has an ult with 3 targeted dashes. The current champions going by these names are nothing but zoomer imposters. The worst case is Fiora. The abomination we have now is NOT Fiora. Fiora has an ult called Blade Waltz, the coolest ult in the entire game, which causes her to blink rapidly between all enemies within a certain radius, dealing several hits randomly to enemy champions within range. Without this ability, she is NOT Fiora. Give up the ghost, bro. They've already done this to dozens of champions. They took away Irelia's ult and gave it to Gwen. They claimed Poppy's ult was WAY too strong to be in the game, but then they just made it EVEN STRONGER and gave it Mordekaiser. They've been ruining champions forever. I genuinely hope they ruin Akali and Irelia, because the new versions of those champions are complete cancer, along with Pyke and a few others I can't remember at the moment.

[@shamelabaza3572]

Vars what do you think about :- - Why everyone plays PYKE (im sure they do) - Why no one plays plays SION (Very obvious reasons but your way of describing is good)

[@aliince9372]

2:45 I thought "WTF" but I than realised that Ryze has 4 levels over him and went "...yeah, that's about right."

[@natanielbartkowicz8636]

CONGRATS ON 100k Vars!

[@ryloth6664]

I love ryze but sometimes I always feel my combo will burst some one and I know it can but they walk away with 5% HP flashing me teemo thumbs up I think ryze is changed so much that feeling u get when u know a champs damage and limit is changed so much it's practically a new champ

[@ROSPoetry1]

So what I got from this was, don't take ranked seriously if the champs you like aren't good. Don't get as frustrated going against Irelia or Akali since they will always exist and there's nothing you can do about it. Just play a norm or two and then go play other games that aren't as horribly balanced as league.

[@shanecoffing]

I think the biggest one everyone forgets about is ekko. Man this champ was the definition of balance nightmare in the game for years. I think he was the first true 200 years champion riot ever realized, and to this day is either extremely strong or no one plays him except mains who abuse him

[@vitaliyiliuk9494]

12:51 the thing about vlad. That buff wasn't "tiny" if you think about it, what is vlads q? Its his main ability, main dmg and heal, also he uses it off cd, and there are build that have huge amounts of cdr in them so basically his q which is like 400-700 heal, 600-1000 dmg ability is on 2 sec cd late game, even if you use the full ap build its still 3+ sec but the is huge. So the buff was actually insanely strong, also keep in mind he maxes it first, so you start to feel it pretty early into the game. Edit: yeah.. you said the same thing in a vid 3 seconds after my bad 😁

[@zeusz3237]

I play Azir from time to time, and it really is how you just said. In the earlier parts there is like no damage, I can't find it anywhere. In the late it is like I found all that damage (in dps) what I have been searching for like 30 minutes. (On full build)

[@jususi71]

You dont have to remove irelias near infinite dashes to balance her, she just does way too much damage despite not hitting any of her actual skillshots. Atm she is so overtuned she doesnt need to use her abilities properly to beat you at almost every point of the game, vs most champions.

[@matt-z5j]

Irelia would be so easy to fix. She can stack her ability, but she can't sustain it without interacting with a champion, once it's maxed. Also there should be a hard cap on its duration once full stack is reached, regardless of whether she sustains it through champion combat or not. Right now she can stack and maintain with minions and just dash all the way to enemy turret. If she pushes and reaches level 2 first and you are not able to freeze, you end up with having to push the wave back to her. And when you are almost at her turret it's basically a death sentence if you are a early game tank or bruiser.

[@antoniovlassa5886]

the real issue with akali is well people say "her W is so one sided she goes for a trade and not even your minions will get to hit her back cause of it" which is particularly funny to me since she doesn't win lane against a single traditional midlaner or "she has toooo many dashes" but they were dead anyways and wouldn't have done anything even if she was standing still for the entirety of the fight no her problem is that her E deals more damage than the rest of her entire kit and then compare her to ahri ahri needs to full combo you twice and use her R the 2nd time she combos you to land 2nd part of Q, which is an incredibly hard skill shot since you and the most of her damage and even then you might need ignite to get the kill secured, and if you had to use R to go in for the E and 2nd/3rd R to land your Q you are now just a very vulnerable immobile mage also, akali has a ton of ad ratios and incredible scalings when they don't really make sense for her 70 / 131.25 / 192.5 / 253.75 / 315 (+ 59.5% AD) (+ 84% AP) since assassins are not meant to scale but rather to end the game quickly, so she inherently struggles at doing what she's designed for through her kit but then also does that through her class because she is meant to be super weak early while also being an assassin, the snowballing class, so she's either not balanced cause her laning phase is all of a sudden strong and she is just too good or not balanced cause she is too weak to get back into the game after loosing lane I think lee sin is just that much more balanced because even when he gets nerfed he's still honest to his class and he has a predictable and consistent gameplay, on top of that, even when he's nerfed so that he scales more poorly he still brings utility to his team in the form of peel and shielding

[@vinnythewebsurfer]

I’m shocked Graves wasn’t mentioned a single time as a balance nightmare; especially considering his overall history. He went from being one of least remarkable but still solid Adc’s in the game rarely subjected to balance changes to one of the most polarizing junglers where he’s either nerfed into the ground and unplayable or singlehandily making the game his bitch and able to flexed anywhere at any and all balance changes he’s subjected to.

[@cameronb2968]

Sometimes I think destroying the identity of a champion is a good thing. I remember you talking in an earlier video about how new champions’ kits have a ridiculous amount of things included in them and no matter how much they are nerfed, the fact it exists at all means it makes the champ more viable. Why does irelia heal from her dashes? Is there any lore related reason? (Not that every kit has to make logical sense) but it feels like such a needless addition that negates the durability pitfall champions that produce the same amount of dps fall into. She wouldn’t be irelia without the same survivability, but I don’t think that survivability is healthy

[@Stardude15]

Would love a video discussing stealth since it has gone through a few changes

[@spicykorean]

Great video! I think it's fine to have champions like these... In the end, League has 155 champions to choose from (and corresponding skins for Riot to sell).

[@labros9999]

It's not "fine" to have someone like irelia in the game when you see them all the time and every time they destroy the entire enemy team.

[@13kstacks]

@@labros9999 mad cause bad -im a irelia main btw

[@Shaderox]

Well in Akalis case... let's just not worry about "how important to the character" the stuff is and just fix her, shes already been changed completely in kit, visuals and playstyle anyway, it's debatable if shes even more different from her original than Aatrox is.

[@trendingmemes412]

Congrats on 100k!

[@pebattle7721]

The worst part of these characters is that riot ends up removing some mechanics that makes the character less skill expressive. Like removing Akali’s e+q combo doesn’t make her less frustrating to play against but makes her less fun to play

[@asmodee18]

This video is all about what I'm always saying: Broken and overpower are too different things. I like this.

[@lsbevo9]

For Irelia it's ridiculous that she can stand still while charging an ability that deals damage and reduces incomming damage and renews the mark for her Q. I think that is the main problem with her, because you can have a tankish who has high damage(Darius), a diver who can do a lot of damage(Lee/Xin), or even a bruiser with great speed, damage, tankiness and powerful in team fights(Hecarim). The thing is that you can kite Darius, you can dodge Lee Sin Q, you can burst down Xin Zhao, and you don't feel like Hecarim touches you and you die. He's not famous for being like a monster in 1x1/pickoffs and similar. You can't do nothing against a Irelia who knows exactly how to play. Even Riven and Akali who are monstruous when mastered you can burst down, but Irelia press a button and you waste all your combo for 30% of her health(and she lifesteal in 3 Q's in the minions). If they take down the tankiness from her W(i think) it would be A LOT less toxic, and wouldn't feel so unfair as it is now, AND the Irelia players never think of her as the "suddenly tank champion that can bait the enemy to cast all their burst for nothing". What i mean is... Even when you land a Morgana Q, you can't kill her and you can't even do real damage to her unless you have 3 men beating her shit down and she still can take down the squish one.

[@xxx6882]

That is not the only problem. If you make a scaling champ, it must be weak at some other stage of the game, but she is one of the most broken early games, mid game and late game. That's the real problem, just like fiora, camille and riven. Why would I play Garen if you have a stronger early, mid and late game than I do? Why would I play an "unkillable" tank if you gonna deal 600 true damage at me lvl 6 with just a single skill, or you have so much mixed damage I cant build as items as fast as you increase damage? And if I try to play an artillery mage to drain you, and you outheals my damage with minions... what's the point? The only counterplay is burst you, as you said. And slayers are the best to do that thing. That is the reason that this meta is all about bruisers and slayers

[@drwexan7684]

What if, for Irelia, riot gave her 7 dashes hat must be used within 1-2 seconds of eachother. And every CHAMPION takedowns or assists she gets an extra two dashes and/or 4 minions killed with the dash gives her one extra dash. The way I see it is it gives other players counerplay to her while also keeping her skill expressive. The for her ult, keep it the same, but make the initial projectile smaller. The first enemy struck with the projectile is stunned and the outside shape it makes slows still.

[@otterfire4712]

It's weird, I've never had an issue with Whitney. Either status stacking or fighting moves put her down. Geodude is also fairly potent for the first 3 gyms thanks to type advantages and durability.

[@6ber721]

akali doesn't need 50% win rate because she is so hard but once you are good you are rewarded with the ability to do wathever you want as long as you are good enough same with all the hardcore champ they shouldn't have 50% winrate because they are this hard to play but once you play them at a good level you are a monster

[@victortamez7316]

There is a way to balance all these champs tho in one easy way everyone forgets: separating pro play from the live game. We all talk about the fact that pro play is a different game all the time but they play the same patches we do. If balancing azir for pro play makes it a bad champion for everyone else make them have their own patches. It would definitely make pro play more interesting imo considering I don't watch it anymore now yet I still have to deal with patches being around the pro level of play.

[@thec-yb6ug]

Do any of you know how op is to have yorick top , ivern jg , annie mid itsbliterally a 8v5

[@Rannulfus]

I can fix Irelia right now. The frustrating thing about her is that it feels like there's very little windows of opportunity to actually deal with her due to her mobility, so, maybe increase dash cooldown a bit, make it so that she only gets dash resets on unit kills (like pre-rework), and limit the number of dashes she can perform before the ability goes on cooldown. Heck, you can even make it so that stunning someone DOES give her another dash, but, JUST 1 dash. That way, if she can't kill you in the limited time she has to dash around, and her stun doesn't work out, you have an opportunity to do something about her. A lot of the reasoning why frustrating to play against champs are frustrating to play against is because Riot has designed very small or very few windows of opportunity to deal with them. The reason so many people hate or hated Teemo is because his poisons are effectively free against certain champs. The fix? Make it so they drain his mana. Legitimately, his mana is a useless bar on his entire kit until level 6, and even then, 1% mana on him doesn't mean he can't fight the way he normally would anyway.