Vaush Actually Tried To Save Destiny.

Vaush reveals that he was trying to save Destiny which is why he held back in recent debates against him...
Date: 18 Dec, 2021
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[@shyahisotalo7826]

You sound like Quentin Tarantino

[@perception7480]

August you should do a similar video with hasan and show clips from where he agrees to destiny's edgy joke take and etc.

[@ronaldvos]

Iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii⁸

[@acutecloudd7970]

At 5:10 it felt kinda autistic on destiny's part, ignoring vaush obvious joke to diffuse tension. The problem with destiny is his arguments are correct, but he's arguing with a friend and pushes aggressively when the other person isn't even arguing that hard. You can make every arguments destinys making in a more chill tone and not as aggressive ad it'll have more of a chance to bring people over to his side

[@latheredtrillionaire5701]

King August.

[@IbrahimTayyabIT]

>Calls a person psychotic >Says he needs to play League >Curious

[@davidpinto-fernandez7132]

Jajajajajajajjjajajaja

[@Draven1895]

You're only psychotic if you can't reach diamond

[@westernartifact4163]

Destiny is awfully ungrateful of Vaush's attempts to save him. Most people would pay money for that kind of gaslighting.

[@oblivion_2852]

Kinky

[@markallen6433]

Stonegassing is the preferred nomenclature, please.

[@joshuawinstead7621]

@@markallen6433 I like gaswalling more.

[@markallen6433]

@@joshuawinstead7621 damnit, that is better

[@chrisprilloisebola]

Lmao

[@DeineMudda313313]

I can deductively reason that league of legends is a shit game, and yet Destiny still plays it, even though I’ve deductively shown him It’s shit. Here in lies his insanity. Someone needs to stop him before It’s too late.

[@kS-ic4rf]

Il grant you that LOL is a shit game but not necessarily because of the gameplay problems but because of the community s toxicity that drains the fun out of it

[@rio1408]

So true

[@bleeem]

@@kS-ic4rf i would say that both the gameplay and the community are shit, the game is made to get repetitive by design, even if they add something new, its going to be new for like 1 month and then it comes back to same shit in the same map doing the same thing forever.

[@brenanmayhew]

@@bleeem bro, you just described every aspect of life. Once you learn anything, not just league, and continue doing it it becomes repetitive and less fun. Not a good argument against LoL. For me some games continue scratching some itch in my brain, and some games fizzle out and become boring overtime and then you can take a break from the game and then play it again a bit later and it will be fun again for a short time and the cycle continues. For me, the league cycle is the longest in that league continues to scratch that itch and rarely do I enter the sick of league faze, it is what it is

[@powercore2000]

It's already too late

[@samuelcharlebois881]

Those clips from past takes are soooooo good. Mad props to the editor, those bites make it so much easyer to understand the full context of conversations that are happening

[@superunnecessary1182]

Yeah these videos are really well put together, it's super impressive.

[@AnorexicPandas]

It’s crazy how simple, great editing makes hypocrisy stand out with absolute clarity. Buried by his own words.

[@snake2250]

@She belongs to the Skreets Did you not watch past the literal first frame? Most of the video was 2020-2022.

[@Moses255337]

Too bad MSM doesn't do that, they make everything as convoluted as possible.

[@begetasama7209]

The editor is absolutely top tier

[@onodatboi9041]

Vaush has outpaced Destiny, empathetically

[@electron6825]

And superogatorily as well

[@shutschools]

A salient point.

[@theprofesionalist7927]

When you think that you're so much better than the person that YOU used to be a fan of that you claim that you tried to save them. I can't even with this asshole anymore.

[@emperortgp2424]

@@shutschools An indefatigably cogent point

[@FrankRijkaard19]

Ubiquitously!!!

[@johnleoks7642]

Ooof, August just exposing Vaush's lies with clips of what Destiny actually said.

[@lokkol8658]

@@slime8177 with what he gets paid he is not working class

[@MrShagification]

I don't think anybody with a brain actually needs to have Vaush's nonsense curated. The dude basically emanates lunacy. Still funny to see though.

[@Linkirvana]

I'm fairly sure August regularly gets admitted to a hospital for having an erection for longer than 4 hours during his editting sessions. So good.

[@Inressa]

@@slime8177 You're talking to Commander John Shepard, captain of the SSV Normandy fleet class vessel and member of the N7 Alliance. Think before you speak further, lest you garner the consequences!

[@kenamada5451]

@@MrShagification I wouldn't lean this far against Vaush either tbh. Sometimes when these two debate, I'm normally siding with Vaush on a lot of points... Vaush's issue is that he thinks his sarcasm or satire will translate well when he makes no audible difference in his tone of voice and that often creates bad back and forths. That aside, Destiny is right on a lot of things and so is Vaush. On many things these two are pretty close. The nitty gritty seems to be where they disagree on a lot of things, but I feel like they play the livestream rivalry game to make things seem more polarizing. That's just how I see it until shown otherwise though.

[@AKipostthings]

the 15 person debate speed up was not a good time

[@SuperExplosivegames]

Vaush is such an angel, truly a good samaritan

[@CB-os4lf]

He could have 3 women here in 30 mins. But he doesn't he is just that good.

[@mynameis8211]

Jesus Christ himself.

[@adamtwarowski1053]

Honestly. And to think its all just a supererogatory action

[@whenpigsfly8178]

And the avatar of honesty itself.

[@bestdjaf7499]

He loves the Unions & Working Class. He wish he would pay people more. He loves Destiny. But unfortunately there is Capitalism & Market Economy ... You have to understand.

[@gpcarnage4881]

When he compared himself to obi-wan with his man bun and beard combo I lost it XD

[@thestoebz]

A complete chat Jedi who whoops ass and also knows how to respect his opponents... They're like polar opposites. Vaush is MUCH more like Anakin.

[@Grubiantoll]

I thought he was the Anakin to Destinies Obi-wan. that comparison would seem to fit well in this situation

[@YemYum]

The day vaush does a steelman instead of a strawman is the day vaush becomes half the ''intellectual powerhouse'' he thinks he is. Seriously iv never seen him accurately present his opponents position. Its almost always a strawman.

[@jdelgado243]

Not almost. It is always a strawman. And he hides it behind vocabulary words

[@emperortgp2424]

Let's be honest, very few of these internet intellectuals steelman their opponents. Though the pervasiveness of bad faith discourse in these spaces makes it genuinely difficult to always do that. Try steelmanning people like Nick Fuentes, Demonmama or [Redacted] from [Redacted]

[@TheWentzMachine]

Destiny is not a paragon of steelmaning either. He's gotten better but I see him slip all the time and he used to be just as bad as vaush.

[@robosoldier11]

Because he intrinsically is an ideologue. If his objective was to be charitable he wouldn't be doing this. Instead he is a power hungry maniac whose positions would lead to the most degrading and outright malicious behavior if they were universally applied. For him power is everything.

[@ReIigionlsForIdiots]

His goal isn’t honesty. His goal is money and power.

[@MortimusGorgon]

2012 Vaush sounds like current Vaush when he's doing a destiny impression lmao

[@angusmarch1066]

This video is incredibly well timed. Its like we're doing a retrospective of all of Vaush's big bungles over this year.

[@thecoaltrain666]

Jesus I have no idea how anyone takes Vaush seriously anymore.

[@jaysandlin]

Seriously lmao

[@thecheebsy]

I used to like his content to compliment destiny’s. I can’t listen to him anymore, he’s totally lost me.

[@jakecorenthose2901]

I have no idea how anyone takes Destiny seriously anymore when he claims to be against misinformation but spreads misinformation about people he doesn't like and justifies it by calling it "reciprocal behavior". lol Or the whole "I'm gonna dress up like Vaush." thing. Cuz, ya know, that's pretty fucking weird.

[@finthanos1927]

@@jakecorenthose2901 I think it was a joke

[@braydenhafner9738]

@@jakecorenthose2901 Cope

[@darksideofthefandom7373]

it's interesting how, every time ctrl+v says destiny is "spiteful against the left", it more so reveals his spite towards destiny. he definitely has a sort of god complex anytime anyone brings up his interactions with destiny.

[@kasuo7039]

Destiny is the one who’s OBSESSED!!! Trust me guys

[@bennty]

Yeah his talk about Destiny’s spite is some of the most blatant and blind projection I’ve ever seen.

[@ChaseFace]

I think more than anything it's just him acting like the entire situation is so clearly beneath him because engaging with Steven honestly would reveal him like it did CancerfromPA. It's what permits him (in his mind) to say "you know what? you're banned" every time a "Destiny simp" makes a really good point while he's live. Just very timid.

[@bennty]

@@ChaseFace I just wonder at this point how self aware he is about it. Is it an intentional choice/strategy or has he actually convinced himself he has outpaced Destiny, intellectually. Cause like...continually paraphrasing Destiny’s points as poorly as possible strike me as strategy but could be genuine delusion. It’s just always wild to see such a lack of self awareness.

[@matsab7930]

He’s a narcissist. It’s nothing new, if you read through the sexual harassment arc and the way he talks about himself the arrogance is palpable. He’s just another unintelligent lout with an ego.

[@perpetual_heart_attack]

"you're psychotic" "I ca- I can't do it, I need to play League of Legends"

[@9justify]

Only psychopaths play league

[@gamingwhilebroken2355]

@@9justify Psychotic doesn’t mean one is a psychopath. Psychotic means to lose touch with reality. For example, I have bipolar disorder and in Uni I had a severe depressive episode and thought my roommates were trying to poison me, so I stopped eating. That’s psychotic.

[@TheVeryAngryShrimp]

@@gamingwhilebroken2355 Username checks out. That sounds horrifying, hope you're in a better place right now.

[@gamingwhilebroken2355]

@@TheVeryAngryShrimp Actually, username is because I have an autoimmune disease that is slowly destroying the joints in my extremities. But ya, my bipolar disorder is well managed. I haven’t had an episode in over a decade.

[@spinosaurusstriker]

@@gamingwhilebroken2355 see? For playing league of legends.

[@ginjaninja7242]

Vaush is right. Only an insane person would ever want to play League of Legends.

[@PlaytheListDude]

Vaush is so rude. Constantly interrupting the flow of my conversation. Destiny is actually talking to me and only me.

[@joel_the_ai]

Least schizo dgger PogU

[@IllD.]

Vaush living in his own simulation.

[@buggaoff8160]

Sorry but Vaush is a gleaming example of Dunning Kruger, I respect the positions you take in instances where we have differences of opinion but Vaush is just so far up his own arse he can't see he is not that bright, he is like a religious scientist trying to prove something true rather than genuinely trying to find out if its true or not.

[@BlGDaddyRob]

Anyone that pauses to try to think of larger words to sound smart i generally write off as pretty dumb.

[@buggaoff8160]

@@BlGDaddyRobI haven't watch a ton of stuff from him but I've noticed that with Vaush as well, partly it's something people do to throw other people off but the problem is it only works on other dumb people... 'what the fk is that word he just used... oh well better just nod along'

[@raz0rcarich99]

Oof you revealed a lot about your thinking with that last bit. We all have different worldviews, and generally speaking, we're all on a level playing field when it comes to intellectual honesty, atheist or not. It's simply the case that people genuinely believe they're seeking the truth. It's just that we're operating from different paradigms with different presuppositions. Try to watch Destiny's convo with the christian professor dude. Tell me if that isn't intellectual honesty.

[@aphidamas1]

Vaush is like the "Bananas fit in your hand nicely, therefore god" guy. Lol.

[@shockwavesyndrome6433]

@@raz0rcarich99 oh yeah I forgot vaush is soft on religion therefor anyone who says religion is stupid must be a 2016 anti sjw lololol

[@cincinatus90]

You know vaush hates that all of this is archived and that everyone enjoys rewatching destiny embarrass him. I love it. Good job editor.

[@nicthepic]

Editors name is August

[@1dweeb]

vaush even conceded philosophytube was being irresponsible with her tweets

[@shockwavesyndrome6433]

You said vaush therefor you are obsessed and are therefor wrong

[@Nakaitas]

Yes but than a few months later he is going public an says to his audience that destiny was wrong here. That is the problem... It seems that he has no memory about things he said himself

[@PrimoPete]

@@Nakaitas No, he absolutely does know where he is being wrong, he just wanted that rhetorical victory in that panel debate but also wanted to maintain enough rhetorical stamina to later on claim that Destiny was more in the wrong. He is slimy like that.

[@fiachracasey7625]

>just a lil bit over a haiku

[@kevintheshane]

The “well they’re not top 1% in the destination city they choose to live in” thing triggers me so hard. No one would ever let this fly when comparing across countries. Money is fungible, that’s the whole point of it. Someone making $30K in the US lives a better life than almost everyone in Africa. Yes, it’s more expensive to live in the US, but for all that expense you get a place that’s safer with clean water and 13 years of world class public education and shit. Same with cities. Yes, $100K “doesn’t go as far” in New York City. But you’re in New York City!! Lastly, with Hasan or Philosophy Tube, we’re talking about people who sit on their ass on the internet as a job. Their income is literally as portable as it gets. Hasan could make his millions anywhere in the US, but he chooses to live in West Hollywood.

[@M.J44]

It's really annoying too, because being the top 1% creator in the UK implies that they make A LOT OF MONEY regardless of wherever the fk they live. Sure, costs could be higher, but it's really disingenuous to be doing what Vaush is doing to try to argue that she actually needed to strike. It's improbable that their rent is that high.

[@gigamungus5764]

lol August is going crazy with the editing hoping destiny will let him out of the basement

[@m_walles3357]

Destiny actually just moved into August´s walls

[@hartyewh1]

No, keep him there. I need him there.

[@pinnacull]

Don’t worry Destiny promised he would let August out of the basement when he hit 400k

[@mickeyboy90]

He’s really tryna claw himself out unsubbed

[@bobDotJS]

This is just proof that Destiny has been consistent for over 10 years. He has continued to be intellectually honest and to challenge his beliefs. It's so awesome to hear him talking that way 10 years ago.

[@billieeisenhower406]

No growth. So brave.

[@YEAREAPIRATE]

lmfao

[@theafflictionvhs17]

@@billieeisenhower406 _Why grow when your position is already correct ?_

[@Jankyito]

@@billieeisenhower406 if you think that destinies positions haven't grown over time you have no clue what you're talking about

[@papaofthejohns5882]

@@billieeisenhower406 No growth from a libertarian gamer bro to a full on dem-soc? Okay.

[@justsomeguy2825]

I still can't get over how he tried to gaslight his audience about being charitable to Rittenhouse after the guy got off.

[@FirstnameLastname-mo6pu]

Lmao I watched that in real time and seeing the cognitive dissonance from the Vaush fans was delicious

[@thomaswitte2971]

To be fair, it was pretty funny when his chat gets super ass-mad.

[@jamrollz]

When you're over invested in a lie and get exposed you can only triple down a la Jussie Smollett.

[@Channel-23s]

He never cared or wanted him to get off he flip flops like a coin.

[@elijahgavin6706]

Can someone explain I didn’t see this

[@jaydezifour988]

When Vaush criticizes Destiny, he vaguely alludes to Destiny's behavior, strawman's Destiny's position, then prescribes literal mental psychoses on him. When Destiny criticizes Vaush, he watches the clip/stream in question, makes targeted arguments against either Vaush's position or his hypocrisy, then August includes clear, indisputable context into the edit. It's a perfect microcosm for how they both operate on this platform.

[@arturzinurov4781]

So basically Destiny looks at reality analyses it and then forms opinions while Vaush just molds reality to fit his already set opinions.

[@M.J44]

@@arturzinurov4781 The second one is RRREEAAALLLLLYYY annoying. Strong conclusions should be made AFTER being presented with the facts.

[@notkaymao]

Well put.

[@Americansikkunt]

And the Objective vs the Subjective... One uses facts and sources, the other used emotion and logical fallacies..

[@watchonjar]

that first clip is why I will never take vaush seriously, he has said so many times that he will just lie and misrepresent things if he thinks it will help him win.

[@thecoloroctet1365]

Trrruuueee

[@Azraelmaximilian]

I mean he proved in his early days of streaming that he didn't believe that anymore given how good his positions were and how intellectually rigorous he was in his debates, it seems like he's regressed back to his previous position without saying so publicly.

[@mimked]

Huh, so Vaush really _did_ say that he was willing to sacrifice intellectual honesty for some kind of win.

[@TheFreek753]

Vaush is starting to come off more like a rebellious argumentative teenager now than any well minded personality. You can also literally see when and where he is talking out his ass and simply uttering what his audience wants to hear. Case in point, whenever he talks about anything Destiny says, all that spontaneous confidence and debate bro energy kind of dissipates "Destiny? He uh uh uh uh...*wait, shuffles deck* said this cartoonishly goofy and incorrect thing!" Also, constant projecting to the extent of an 8 year old basically "No you're the one obsessed!" "No you're afraid!" It's funny how this guy started out as like this superpower in the debate sphere of the left and now he's like the rest of them. Deranged and off in fantasyland

[@ryohio4706]

I used to watch his stuff for a short time like a year and a half ago, but he's just become so annoying, self-righteous and full of himself that I can't take him seriously anymore at all. And that's not even saying anything about the abysmal community he's conjured together at this point, it's a collection of the absolute worst of the worst, "wokest", out of touch, whiney, wannabe Antifa super soldier adult childeren

[@Winasaurus]

The projection is unreal. "His community hate me" (Literally anti-destiny hate threads top of Vaush subreddit every week) "He's obsessed with me" (constantly brings up Destiny off the cuff for no reason) "He can't argue as well as me" (Literally takes Destiny's points verbatim and copies them in his debates) "He's insane" (Vaush has literally argued people should surrender to mobs and that math and historical events like the holocaust are just power grabs and there's not underlying facts) "He will say anything just to own the lefties" (Has directly stated before he will lie and say ANYTHING to win an argument to further socialism)

[@98danielray]

@@ryohio4706 the community is big yikers indeed

[@TheFreek753]

I got into Vaush because of Tim Pool (the original debate), and then a regular consumer of his videos after watching the Ben Shapiro political compass breakdown and watching most of his debates. I wasn't the most educated on politics before be it theory or otherwise, and he made points that worked more for me that other lefties i knew at the time couldn't provide (simply railroading that if you don't agree with them, you have a fundamental evil component to you and at least appearing like his positions had some level of pragmatism to them). I was never socialist, and am not now. He started making the same feels-y esque arguments against people he is clearly afraid to appeal to a fanbase that doesn't care if he's right or wrong, and after the Kyle Rittenhouse stuff (which i didn't see until recently) it feels like he always was trying to have his cake and eat it too with volatile takes like that albeit with a HANDFUL of take that should be obvious in the left-sphere to kind of appreciate hearing sometimes (wokescolds/anti-white racism exists and should be avoided even if it's not as bad as other racism/gatekeeping is bad) etc. etc. It's super sad to see Vaush essentially become alot like the very thing he fights against and makes the same bad sort of arguments that reactionaries of 2015 and the like make.

[@TheFreek753]

@@Winasaurus The final point you made in particular is exactly why i will never be a socialist and why I lost faith in Vaush and socialists in general. Where are these great, truthseeker, gigachad socialists that don't make the movement look bad? After the Hasan house thing too, it made me feel like i had even before discovering Vaush: that alot of socialism online is just a giant scam to get a couple lottery winners rich and give nothing tangible back.

[@BPOOP1000]

Listening to old Vaush, is amazing how much the microphone accounts for 75% of all his charisma.

[@nazakomu]

It's compressors that make people sound like (even) better speakers than they really are

[@shockwavesyndrome6433]

Or when he puts on a fake deeper voice

[@FortisV]

@@shockwavesyndrome6433 I know we want to take dunks on Vaush, but it's not unreasonable to believe that your voice gets deeper after 8 or so years, especially when he was 18 at the time

[@agustin4741]

@@FortisV But actually Vaush said that he trained himself to speak more clearky, slower and deeper because that makes his charisma increase. I mean its not a bad thing to do tho, training yourself in oratory its a good thing if you want to do what he does. Vaush really does a good job on his optics

[@wren4077]

@@agustin4741 except for the fact that he has a man bun/pony tail

[@HanzOfHarkir]

Vaush is terrified of debating people who bring receipts. As August demonstrates, Vaush's greatest enemy isn't Destiny, or me, or conservatives, it's Vaush's previous statements.

[@supernoob17]

TRUUUUUUUE

[@Slyfa187]

@@slime8177 Good job of pointing that out! Now realize that anything you said is meaningless because that wasn't the point.

[@Slyfa187]

@@slime8177 I'm not defending him or saying that he is bigger than he is. I said his point still stands whether he includes himself (or Destiny for that matter) in that sentence or not. All he said was: Vaush is terrified of being confronted with his past self.

[@Slyfa187]

@@slime8177 ​ Aaaah I get it you don't have a problem with Hans, you were just defending Vaush in the worst way possible. Term 'Ratio' comes to mind. 'Bloodthirsty revolutionary' - Who said that exactly? Because that's just laughable. Regardless, you need to watch the video again if you think anything Hans said in his comment is an uncharitable interpretation of Vaush.

[@seanmacd4274]

As someone comfortably left of Destiny, I wish Vaush would stop with the dishonesty. He's doing more harm than good for the cause of pushing progressive policies.

[@keithfilibeck2390]

Nah he's par for the course, a TON of Progressive stuff nowadays is full of insane double-think, if you really sat down and tried to hash out all their goals you'd realize quickly that its almost schizophrenic.

[@seanmacd4274]

@@keithfilibeck2390 Just because some 'political streamer' types make a poor job of advocating for policies or giving reasoning doesn't discredit the policy itself. I'd need to know which specific policy point you think is schizophrenic before I could engage with it...

[@zacharychristy8928]

I agree. Seeing Vaush pull his teacher's pet routine and artificially inflate his vocabulary to sound smarter is just nauseating. It's literally the exact same thing that the Weinstein brothers do.

[@keithfilibeck2390]

@@hinglemccringleberry1255, he's Sane presenting, he is not really, his calm tone hides just how double-think'd he really is.

[@keithfilibeck2390]

@@seanmacd4274 sure, Abolish the Police, Student Loan Forgiveness, and the overly rushed attempt to get to Net Zero emmissions, all three of these result in the exact opposite of the desired result, Abolish the Police would create more crime and death, STudent Loan Forgiveness would alieviate the best off people in America at the expense of the poor and middle class, and the rush to green energy would actually create more emissions in the production of near infinite Wind Farms and Solar Panels, which would require an absurd amount of concrete, Steel, Silicone, Lithium, and other materials that would take even more Diesel, Coal and other such energies to make.

[@azrogue286]

The clips providing timely evidence and context are superb and persuasive. Very well done! It elevates Destiny's arguments to a whole other level and makes his points even more forcefully. Kudos to the editor! A master of the craft!

[@ketamineautism]

As someone who watches Vaush and wants to push him in the right directions, it’s probably good to have a biggest Ls compilation to refer the more cultish fans to.

[@BlooCollaGal]

The correct direction to push Vaush is "obscurity"

[@ketamineautism]

@@BlooCollaGal and how do you plan on doing that, Daniel?

[@fanofanimation4293]

Vaush's community is a reflection of him. His fans won't give a damn about anything presented in this video. In the same way Vaush will dismiss Destiny, any person associated with Destiny or in his community, or any a criticism of Vaush from Destiny or his fans, Vaush's fans will just ignore this video and say Destiny is "obsessed" and leave it at that.

[@BlooCollaGal]

@@ketamineautism I have neither a plan or the ability to do anything if I did.

[@ketamineautism]

@@fanofanimation4293 it’s pretty clear that while some of Vaush’s criticisms of Destiny’s focusing disproportionately on problems within the left that are of relatively little consequence in reality may land, Vaush generally has a massive emotionally-based blind spot when it comes from taking criticism from D even when V’s mistakes were obvious.

[@Froggi_n_Toadi]

Hearing baby destiny and baby vaush talk is the weirdest deepfake that I ever did see

[@brandonetter]

This video was uploaded for me and only me

[@BlooCollaGal]

How Vaush kept hitting the butterfly ballet point AFTER somebody pointed out it was designed and implemented by a Democrat....

[@sinatra222]

Butterfly ballet...is that Tchaikovsky?

[@BlooCollaGal]

@@sinatra222 gesundheit

[@sathrielsatanson666]

The whole "is Bush a fascist" debacle is painfully inane. It's for a reason that calling someone a fascist or nazi is considered a thought-terminating cliche. Conservatives use communist or socialist the same way: it's painfully lazy and usually ends up with endless debate about what is a nazi/communist/whatever.

[@Winasaurus]

Fascism is a classic brainrot topic. Right alongside pedophilia, incest and communism. "This man bad, fascism bad, this man fascist." "Any proof he's fascist?" "He bad, fascism bad" "Is there something we can do to prevent pedophiles from offending?" "Kill them" "Ok, anything except kill them?" "No kill them because pedos bad and so he bad" "Maybe try therapy with them or something?" "No, kill pedos, or you like pedos." Because why engage with the topic when you can just say they're bad and get raucous applause from the braindead crowd? It's literally the family guy joke of winning an election by just saying 9/11 bad. Win the lefty debate by just saying Bush bad, war bad, corruption bad, fascism bad. Please, hold your donations and soaked panties till the end of the stream.

[@sathrielsatanson666]

@@Winasaurus yeah, that pretty much sums it up. Just stick the label on your political opponent and be done with it. Oh well...

[@Teej_0]

The prime panel on 2x speed is actual rap god stuff.

[@NycroLP]

Hey, atleast Vaush has good taste in videogames and doesnt play garbage like LoL.

[@shockwavesyndrome6433]

Vaush’s nintendo love is the one thing that is redeeming

[@ForeverMasterless]

Gottem

[@darkarchonisme]

except vaush is the sort of dumbass who skips the cutscenes in FF14 and then says it's story isn't good

[@NycroLP]

@@darkarchonisme HOLY BASED.

[@emperortgp2424]

@@darkarchonisme It's a final fantasy game

[@sanield2782]

Vaush's derangement over Destiny was the final straw which led me to unsub after about two years. Whenever Destiny is involved, he turns into a dishonest, babbling cringelord

[@shockwavesyndrome6433]

I actually got into destiny through vaush and I remember back in the day vaush would defend destiny no matter what but as soon as destiny started beating him in debates he started to dislike destiny

[@MiikeyLawless]

So you basically saw him for what he always has been?

[@jarofpickles4057]

@@MiikeyLawless Based response

[@ForeverMasterless]

@@shockwavesyndrome6433 Yup, exactly this. He has too much ego tied up in winning and looking smart, but none of the interest/work ethic to actually build a strong moral system and educate himself on the topics he discusses. He can bullshit his way through debates with most people because he has decent rhetoric and appears confident, but he winds up looking like an idiot against Destiny and it hurts his little ego. The ironic thing is when the same thing happens to destiny he seems grateful for the opportunity to reexamine his own arguments/beliefs and either strengthen them or change them.

[@Lucius_Art]

We need to save destiny from league

[@lokkol8658]

Sadguh he's losing it

[@chronographer]

Vaush: My biggest problem with destiny is that he's just too insane to convince over to my position. Also Vaush: It's fine for me to not live any of my principles. Also Vaush: It doesn't matter if I have to lie, if it convinces people over to my side. Vaush: _Lies constantly to support his political aims_ Wow, why don't you just take my word and agree with my 'arguments'.

[@emperortgp2424]

tbf it was 2012, he may not hold that position now

[@Hafer_]

@@emperortgp2424 What do you mean it was 2012? You do remember the whole supererogatory meme from not long ago right?

[@emperortgp2424]

@@Hafer_ what meme

[@hugosilva400]

@@Hafer_ man, Vaush is not the brightest or he isnt even right on every issue, but you guys just cant get enough of misrepresenting that whole conversation. He did say he isnt ok with lying, just that if there was a grifter grifting for the left, which means the guy would not believe his ideology but would advocate for the positions, he would be ok with it. If the guy isnt lying, he is ok with it. Otherwise, why would he even debate the tankies and other lefties who are also on his side, but did bring misinfo? Also, the superogatory issue is a bit dumb. Just by making videos he is already advancing his ideology. Sure people can do more, but you wont force them to it, nor will calling them out on it work to your cause... And honestly, Destiny was worse in terms of misrepresenting people, such as Vaush and Philosophy tube, but you guys dont give him any heat for it. And i like Destiny, i loved how great he was in the whole Gamestop stocks thing. Criticize Vaush all you want, just there is no need to misrepresent his positions... You can even disagree with his actual position, instead of this strawman Destiny created

[@bushjuniorthegreat]

@@hugosilva400 "Otherwise, why would he even debate the tankies and other lefties who are also on his side, but did bring misinfo?" If he's debating them, they're probably not actually on his side, Or are we reducing his side to "the left" here? He clearly disagrees with tankies in this take, so how are they on his side exactly, explain that to me. How is a grifter not lying by default? And then if said grifter is a liar, but he's ok with that, how is he not OK with lying? This defense raises more questions than it answers imo. I feel like destiny indirectly adressed the logical flaw in this grifter take with the cars are blue analogy. Vaush can only be not OK with lying, but OK with grifting 'for his side' (whatever that means) if grifting is somehow not a form of lying. Which is a hard take to defend it seems to me. So far I don't see how people are misrepresenting Vaush based on your defense here. edited: typo

[@theKStocky]

18:45 I think this is honestly the longest that I have heard Vivian speak without inserting "Fucking" or "Fuck" into a sentence. Damn.

[@sarinat3101]

It's not "he's bad a paraphrasing me" Destiny, it's "he's good at strawmanning me". Big difference.

[@inxiti]

He's not good at it... he's disingenuous.

[@eric91wright]

August really tryna hit that 400k huh

[@johnhenry6160]

Doesn't want to get fired lol

[@markm.9932]

My assessment of there relationship is Vaush held Destiny to a certain light, Destiny being Destiny challenged Vaush on his commentary on the Rittenhouse about how he was jumping to conclusions and not basing any of his opinions on facts. Vaush is now realized that Destiny was right but he in his on social space and community needs to create a narrative based on feelings. Its not hard to come to that conclusion and anyone can see that in this video. I think what we need to do if we want to be progressive is to stop the infighting and move on to basing opinions on FACTS and not on biased preconceived notions.

[@WTHFX]

The difference between an intellectual and a zealot is the relationship one has towards rationality and honoring the truth. Vaush has demonstrated himself willing to sacrifice the principles of intellectual rigour on the alter of social consensus. He needs to stop pretending he's credible and just give in to his cult because being a professional thinker just ain't in the cards for him.

[@PristianoPenaldoSUIIII]

@@WTHFX no way you just called destiny an intellectual 😭 twitch streamers are entertaining but let's not mistake them for serious intellectuals

[@nissutobor9078]

@@PristianoPenaldoSUIIII Exactly, people take this shit waayy too seriously

[@ForeverMasterless]

@@PristianoPenaldoSUIIII He's the best example I've ever seen of how a regular person not formally educated in philosophy can form a good moral system and rational takes based on truth when they're able to do just a little bit of self examination and separate emotion and conditioning from their beliefs. He's one of if not the only person on twitch a philosophy professor would have a good and engaging conversation with. That's something. But yeah, he's not exactly coming up with anything new.

[@TheSethOlson]

The main problem with Vaush is he refuses to ever walk back his points and will die on hills that are so unbelievably insane that no one will ever truly take him seriously if they research and listen to him

[@ItsMeTyler]

Ngl I have never liked Vaush. It's nice that people are finally seeing how immature and irresponsible he is with his fans and ideology.

[@bannedmann4469]

Took em long enough.

[@desecrator8979]

If you fallow or take Vaushs ideas seriously . NEVER enter politics. You would destroy every country you where involved in. Vaushs Asperger's gets the best of him

[@TheSethOlson]

I don’t think it’s possible to take Vaush seriously. Thanks for coming to my TED talk

[@hallo-mt5tx]

i really hope most of vaushs audience will be able to realize what a pathological liar he is he is unironically gaslighting his audience on what destiny believes after he realized he cant look good in a debate against him, so he feels he at least has to create strawmen he can beat in hopes of achieving the effect of actually beating him in front of his audience

[@lordmew5]

Unfortunately they won't. Hardcore leftist like Hardcore rught winged people have stopped looking for pragmatic ways of viewing the world and instead are consumed with their ends. I liked vaush before i knew about destiny but was never a hardcore fan of his political beliefs so when i saw destiny i moved to him. A leftist wouldn't because a leftist has a plan on the way the world ought to be at it ends. Destiny seems not to not have a way a perfect world end just ways to engage with the world to keep making it better.

[@jackmak2980]

@@iamthedave3 but Vaush has crushed Destiny in every debate

[@jackmak2980]

@Yutoob DeserfsDef cope

[@shockwavesyndrome6433]

@@jackmak2980 vaush is the new g man

[@FJaypewpew]

@@jackmak2980 :)

[@dmvbawse4265]

He concedes that Bernie saying we isn’t comparable to philosophytube and then goes right back to and characterizes destiny’s point inaccurately. Scared to engage with destiny, terrified so much so he can’t even represent his takes honestly.

[@zachtalkssmack4470]

Riding destiny’s clout until the wheels fell off is “trying to save him” lol Ok Vaush, and now you won’t even debate him lol.

[@ChaseFace]

Inb4 "He's a lost cause, he's OBSESSED with dunking on the left."

[@Phe0niz]

Holy shit 9 years have passed and you guys had the exact same arguments but with higher pitched voices, it's honestly says a lot about both of you.

[@Winasaurus]

Well, let's be real, Vaush's argument was that you can say basically whatever you want to win. It's real easy to have that exact stance for a long time. It's a whole lot harder to have an actually principled one.

[@JazzTheBass]

Needed my Vaush/Destiny drama fix badly today. Thank you, editor

[@FuckinZ3braS0n]

Content straight to the veins 💉

[@lawrencelord9777]

Vaush is essentially a cartoon villain to me at this point. Seeing the entire story line between him and Destiny is crazy because it makes me not want to let new people into my life. I hope destiny can avoid him in the season finale. I give this anime 8.6 out of 10.

[@ataridc]

Honestly I think vaush is losing interest in politics and especially debates. I get the feeling he just wants to be a gaming streamer who wants to occasionally discuss politics passively. I even saw on twitter he is thinking of playing an mmo which is like a sure sign of someone wanting to escape reality.

[@MossFauna]

@@ataridc if you check his reddit there’s a couple posts saying people feel like his losing interest or motivation, or at least feeling a slight dip in quality

[@ataridc]

@::::: no its a good, dare I say, great take

[@Soggysenpai]

@@ataridc God bro you and OP are MEGAcringe lol.

[@mazdaroadster-mx5]

yo this comment fire feel free to screenshot

[@jake212]

I'm 6 min in and I can't describe how frustrating this video is. The golden rule is a thing and when someone doesn't care about others being hypocrites because it benefits them in the near future then they don't care about being hypocrites for their own benefit. I'd also ask if this is the same behavior Vaush expects from politicians, because if so, he is literally the problem with the "Left". I can only see this as a negative thing in the long term and the only benefit is: "Well a source agrees with me so I can win a debate and get all the *Non-pog WoW*TM emotes in the chat." Instead of actually debating.

[@kingkunta3753]

A millionaire is someone with millions, you think the bank is making this distinction?

[@sghost128]

Vaush making the Anakin/Obi-Wan analogy... So Destiny is Obi-Wan right ??

[@mcjcave18]

Destiny is in the abyss now, only if he would have listened to Vaush the true hero of the story. You either die a hero or live long enough to become a villian. If only Destiny listened.

[@mcjcave18]

I'm joking btw

[@adamtrott78]

@@mcjcave18 lmao

[@joshecker6907]

@@mcjcave18 dude, why'd you do that? I wanted to see the inevitable angry guy unironically berate you for this. Oh well, good joke bro.

[@mcjcave18]

@@joshecker6907 I didn't feel like dealing with the angry guys. Cool seeing another Josh though.

[@gamingwhilebroken2355]

@@mcjcave18 I can attack you anyway if you want?

[@ryanwilliams9712]

It's crazy how Vaush talks about Destiny as if he "used to watch him a bit" and that he wasn't having frequent friendly conversations and civil arguments with him for literally almost a decade.

[@meepchiche001]

I do what Vaush did Destiny all the time when talking about streamers I dislike, it usually ends "Okay (my name) what did he do thats so heinous for you to stop watching" you yeah the snide and soft snipe by him doesn't get past me. But obviously Vaush framed it a bit worse.

[@keithfilibeck2390]

he's like most Commies/Socialists, they focus a ton of effort on rewriting the past, bit by bit.

[@ryanwilliams9712]

@@keithfilibeck2390 That's part of what bothers me. I'm sick of being lumped in with these people everytime I argue with a conservative, I always have to explain "I'm on the left but not like those people"

[@chrisprilloisebola]

Don't agree with that Alec Baldwin take smh. He should have at least some accountability for what happened

[@Lazzil]

I get what he's saying here, but Merriam-Webster does define millionaire as someone whose wealth is over $1,000,000. I also disagree that he isn't living a millionaire lifestyle since he can afford a solid house, healthcare, and good food. That's completely different from how my grandma's living right now. I don't consider a millionaire lifestyle to be all that glamorous, honestly. Someone with a hundred million is obviously going to have different spending behaviors compared to someone with one million, but that person with one million is going to have different spending behaviors than someone with just barely $10,000 and relying on social security.

[@KarmaPaym3ntPlan]

The preview section is historical context, instead of a preview. August continues to buck trends, after popularizing them. Also chooses to upload while Destiny is streaming unpopular content. BIN(and arguably)QILIN

[@MossFauna]

Vaush wishes he had this chad of an editor holy FUCK

[@wangdangler5273]

The Dylan Burns clip was the kidney punch on this video 🥊

[@Choke-a-Cola]

Great video August! please let me decide when or if i speed up the video though... thanks!

[@marcusmelville4111]

Your biggest mistake was expecting Vaush to be honest. Especially when he's flat out told people on his streams that lying is ok in order to get people on his side. That and he's actually dumb and doesn't know anything about the philosophy he claims to follow

[@J--Dubs]

Holy crap, did he actually say that on streams? That reminds me of how Mike slipped up and said that in a debate with Destiny. All these people that just use lies to propagate their ideologies are unbearable to listen to.

[@keithfilibeck2390]

yea I blame Destiny, Vaush is the Scorpion on Destiny's frog ass, who even went so far as to tell him directly that he was absolutely going to sting him, and Destiny still offered the ride, Vaush has for YEARS dropped very obvious "I just want to screw everyone over to springboard my career" and Destiny just ignored it.

[@michaeldromes3948]

@@J--Dubs It's been his position for over a decade, you could see it in the first clip in this video from 2012 and he later said it in the Philosophytube debate too I believe. He's a pure ideologue that'll do anything to spread his ideology further, including lies.

[@Azraelmaximilian]

@@J--Dubs Naw, he's never actually said that it's just a dumb clip chimp from low IQ people. He said lying itself can be good or bad depending on why you do it but lying for political gain always backfires in the long run because you can't build a sustainable political project on false premises.

[@Azraelmaximilian]

I have plenty of issues with Vaush myself but I at least try to keep it to things he's actually said and done, like calling Destiny a stalker, lying about his positions in the Rittenhouse debate were recently and claiming his positions never changed, telling people to stop associating with Destiny, smearing Hanz of Harkir in a variety of ways, or apologizing for Demon Mama long after everyone knew she was completely bad faith.

[@SlavicSloth]

Godstiny editing as always, thx August :)

[@kevindsz]

Let’s not forget that Vaush is the guy who Kyle Kulinski has said that he likes his take on things.

[@bandit6272]

Vaush's hubris is breathtaking.

[@jordythebassist]

Vausch is a meme at this point

[@flatplant]

I had no idea this went back so far. Some real goku and vegeta stuff

[@spitfiremase]

"I don't care about people living their principles, i just care about their net utility given to the world" consequentialism, not even once.

[@chasepalumbo2929]

I’ve been waiting on a video like this for months

[@FondestAlloy56]

I used to watch both of them but I think something happened to Vaush after around the first Rittenhouse debate. Ever since I heard him say his insane statement about the facts it seems to have been a downhill ride since then sadly

[@pisschungus9583]

Baby vaush sounded like an stereotypical 80 movies nerd with taped together glasses lol

[@michaeldromes3948]

Vaush is the first person that ever demonstrated for me that there is such a thing as projection. He sounds more and more unhinged as the months go by while he's calling others beyond help/mentally unstable.

[@WhatisReal11]

Welcome to the left.

[@elliott614]

Most people realize projection exists while in grade school. Even if they don't know the term...

[@Nightknight1992]

i wonder if vaush is aware that anakin was the bad guy in star wars xD

[@THEG00DF3LLA]

That Prime panel was a wild ride.

[@adamtrott78]

August surprisingly scraping together a really good video when destiny plays league for 10 hours straight the day before

[@kingz7151]

Woah I had no idea they knew each other since 2012, I knew about IrishLaddie around 2017ish but had no idea they went this far back...

[@J--Dubs]

That part in the middle makes me realize how much they need a moderator to mute them when they all start talking at once.

[@EliteWW]

In the clip from 2012 it feels like destiny is talking in slow motion

[@willjapheth23789]

I don't get how hypocrisy is not seen as an issue by so many. They have just fully submitted to the in group out group mentality, seemingly.

[@Human-dr7kr]

Wow this is a really well edited video

[@dyingbreed1282]

95% of Americans will never come close to saving a million dollars. Most of us will be depending on social Security to pay our rent till we die.

[@kumgremlin1094]

could you put the date on screen somewhere of the stream date during flashback parts or like if its a KZbin video the title + date ?

[@eben7248]

lmao August literally created a video today. Whole thing was clips and I am here for it.

[@GO-GO_SO-SO]

I could be wrong, but one thing I would disagree with Destiny on is when he says Vaush is no different, on an ideological level, from the crazy groups on the other side because he chooses to be dishonest to obtain his goal. While both are liars, I think the difference between the two is in the ideology. For example, while both lies are wrong, I would rather people lie to get more people to get vaccinated and wear mask than lie to get more people to do the opposite. That is not to say I would prefer people lie, but if someone did lie, I would choose the liar with the better cause.

[@bobjenkins4925]

Fair point. My position is I don't even condemn Vaush for thinking it's ok to lie to meet a better end. My problem with him is he believes this & acts it out as a content creator. This is bad for two reasons. One - as a consumer what I want is to follow honest people and to decide for myself what to take from it. I don't want some content creator deciding when it's appropriate or not to manipulate the facts for me. Two - content creators who aim to be the smartest person at a particular moment in time, always, eventually contradict themselves over time & they expose themselves & diminish their message, so undo their goal unless they are extremely sparing with their misuse of information manipulation.

[@laylahope.]

remember to start your roth ira and life insurance asap, gamers.

[@magicalhobo3000]

How does Vaush still have an audience?

[@lyrrr.8059]

8:40 I get the point Destiny is making here and I agree, but this kind of nuance is exactly what Vaush was talking about when mentioning top earners in London. It does make sense to look at and compare wages and renting costs in a specific area if you're trying to paint a picture of someone being wealthy enough to not have to worry about paying rent during the pandemic.

[@Maze86753]

Yea and the notion that you have to find the sub-neighborhood of London is so silly for Destiny to bring up as a counter. London vs broader area stats are not the same at all and on THAT level context is absolutely important.

[@Winasaurus]

@@Maze86753 Certain areas of London are really really cheap to live in. So it's actually a reasonable counter.

[@Maze86753]

@@Winasaurus but saying London on the whole vs England on the whole is different than saying “this specific sub-neighborhood of London” vs “London on the whole” is different in practice and in relevance. No one really gets into that granular of areas when the whole point is you’re being too broad. It’s a bad rebuttal imo for that exact reason.

[@Winasaurus]

@@Maze86753 The point is if you selected just London, you'd have people coming out to say "Well actually she lives in a quite expensive area of London" or "Well actually that area of London has really high earning, she'd be lower percentile". Point is if you start getting dragged into more granular things there's essentially no end to it. Everyone can always say either you're being too broad and not catching the nuances, or not being broad enough, and focusing in to create a false image with tunnel vision.

[@Maze86753]

@@Winasaurus yea and the point was that the degree to which the argument matters essentially went from little nuance to a lot clearer of a stat. If you don’t like it then stick to lazy generalizations and move on? You can evaluate on a case by case level the degree to which nuance matters. Nationwide to the metropolitan area is a big shrinkage but still isn’t perfect to the area, that is true. But is damn sure a better level of nuance than the current alternative. I don’t understand the argument against wanting clearer information with reference to arguments here. This current case is not too granular: done.

[@westingtyler2]

13:40 when you said "wouldn't that makes that car blue? No." i legit got flashbacks to family members I have. like, if you agree with the premises, you must accept the conclusion. "NAH!" it's a failure of deductive reasoning. people like this, I wish they had to have their heads scanned so we could see what piece is missing.

[@generalgrievous6689]

Top 1%if UK earners is nearly £700k, London is £300. For clarification.

[@CumSmuggler]

I’m holding off on the 400k subbots until you edit, and upload the JCS video stream

[@ayyywerelisteninghere1022]

PhilosophyTube is literally taking money from the Royal family and a British Intelligence contractor right now.

[@80smike78]

Yep paid to propagate mis info, she should make a video of how china is commiting genocide against Muslims, (p.s even though there is not evidence of mass extermination, even the NED funded uighur TRIBUANAL, could not cough up any actuality evidence of mass extermination of an ethnic group, yet is still branded as genocide

[@aagh8714]

was that real? i thought it was just a joke lol

[@80smike78]

@@aagh8714 wtf

[@winstonchurchill3059]

Conclusion from watching Destiny v Vaush videos: Vaush has always been the smartest kid in the room. In the larger world, he meets smarter folks like Destiny. He wants to win, rhetorically and intellectually. He tries and fails. Backed up against the wall, he realises that, hang on a minute this is the internet, and he can change the paradigm to what counts as a win. In his mind, the dude actually thinks “LOL U MAD?” is a legitimate affirmation of his intelligence.

[@WTHFX]

Fair assessment.

[@matsab7930]

I recognise that this is an extreme take, but after listening to the guy for a while I honestly think he’s just not very smart. He’s of extremely average intelligence and every interaction provides further evidence for that. Unfortunately he seems to be very arrogant - the insane ‘I was trying to save destiny’ narrative is just one example.

[@WTHFX]

@@matsab7930 he is above average but not much. He is hiding behind a few rhetorical tools. I'm not a fan of IQ as measurement but if I had to guess Vaush is 125. Destiny IQ? Probably around 155.

[@matsab7930]

@@WTHFX Christ you are way off with those estimates… destiny is a smart guy, but 155 is excessive, I think you’re wildly overestimating the intelligence of internet politics debaters.

[@WTHFX]

@@matsab7930 Really? I based that on speed, ability to multitask, depth in analysis and similarities in processing power with people I know who have been tested at the 150-160 range. What makes you think my estimate is so far off?

[@spigone2455]

Only August can turn a 2 minutes clip into a 45 minutes manifesto

[@anitasarkeesian3658]

Today I learned millionaires aren't millionaires because destiny says so