Russell Brand Spews TOTAL NONSENSE To His Audience

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[@Kevo6492]

The conversation between Vandana and Russell basically boiled down to repeating the naturalistic fallacy to each other repeatedly for about an hour.

[@IAmNumber4000]

Starting to seem like almost everything conservatives say about politics involves a naturalistic fallacy of some sort.

[@xBINARYGODx]

LOL!

[@jorgeenchilada]

It seems to be just ecological fascism.

[@scyllakone5892]

@@IAmNumber4000 ]

[@404Dannyboy]

@@JP-sm4cs Because her policies lead to starvation and she bases half her arguments on idiotic historical arguments.

[@olivergregory5093]

I cannot believe chat was unironically defending Vandana Shiva, one of the worst anti-science misinformation peddlers of the modern age.

[@jesustyronechrist2330]

She might be the most based activist around. Many people can only dream of being responsible for thousands of deaths.

[@Saiputera]

Russell brand have more views then this progressive channel 😂😂

[@generaldreagonlps6889]

In Russia the ideas of Lysenko are getting back in fashion so who know, maybe in the future some activists there will be responsible for millions.

[@maddie9185]

I tried listening to him back in the days when he first started his channel and I had a hard time understanding what he was talking about. I quickly realized that he likes to used a lot of words to make people think that he is some kind of deep intelectual similar to Jordan Peterson.

[@anneanne9009]

OMG! You are so right. Big words but a total salad and completely inane. Everybody is picking on them and coming after you! Maybe he switched from herion to meth?

[@Saiputera]

Russell brand have more views then this progressive channel 😂😂

[@Her_Viscera]

​@@Saiputera does that matter?

[@markk7082]

Russell was actually decent when talking about class issues, but he either found a profitable niche or his brain legitimately broke, or both.

[@TheSquareheadgamer]

Yeah a decade ago he use to be pretty based. Maybe he was always just a idoit and struck gold that one time

[@mogscugg2639]

Ireland is right next to the uk but I'm not implying anything at all.

[@Fedora_JP]

Profit

[@JohnSmith-yd5wq]

Cocaine is expensive

[@johnh5424]

Definitely, the pandemic ruined him

[@gustavosanches3454]

Holy hell, in that intro he is really cranking up the celebrity parasocial relationship in order to boost his cult. Dude is screaming "I CARE ABOUT YOU, I CAN FEEL YOUR ENLIGHTENMENT". He has almost 6 million people who believe this BS, its sad and scary at the same time.

[@DubberssMcgee]

I don't know if all 6 million believe I'm sure there are a lot who just followed because they remembered him for his addiction and treatment takes which were quite good back in the day. That was why I had followed him like 5 years ago just never bothered to remove it.

[@freedomofmusic2112]

Literally every Russel Brand video starts like that, 100% parasocial cult shit. He also sells tickets to his woo woo meditation events and if I remember correctly they're pretty fkin expensive

[@j0j0dartiste21]

@@DubberssMcgee with the way KZbin rarely ever tells you when somebody you sub to uploads unless you are constantly scrolling your subs fees AND hit the bell, it's not weird to figure most people just forget they are even subbed

[@ineedapharmists]

We aren't charmed by his charisma. That's why.

[@kain6996]

At least some of those subs are there just to watch the spectacle and like others have pointed out another, much larger, portion is people who forgot they were subbed probably. Honestly for a massive mainstream celeb who seems to be doing the YT algorithm correctly 1-2 vids a day every day his views aren’t THAT high

[@bewing77]

I'm a farmer, an ecological farmer at that and this conspirac is ridiculous IMO. The thing that causes trouble for us is the same as for everyone else, increasing costs on essential items such as fuel and electricity. In regards to artificial fertilizers, we don't use then, but that's not a viable prescription for anything but a small number or specialized farms. There are ways to reduce the dependency on artific fertilization in conventional farming as well, mostly by utilizing livestock more intelligently, but stopping its use entirely would be disastrous. Modern farming does have an issue in that prolonged growing of only grains or only vegetables supported by massive additions of artificial fertilizers and herbicides/pesticides does reduce yield over time and in some areas the soil has almost become barren. Grain and vegetables needs to be cycled by grassland growth and grazing animals to retain soil viability. This is why the notion that we should entirely stop keeping livestock ludicrous. This said, the conspiracy makes no sense; the kind of changes I'm talking about are happening, farms like mine are the "cutting edge" of developing these altered methods of sustainable farming and it has nothing to do with some globalist elite taking over. Also, Vaush's characterization of farmers is very US centric. Globally, farms are still on average family business. In northern Europe, where I operate, the average farm has no employees and about 400 acres of land, which is about what I have. I work about 2800 hours a year and make about $25k. Yes, on paper a farmer has a lot of wealth because land costs alot of money, but the return on that invested capital is minimal and very few people are farmers unless it's something they really really want to do. I'd make more by selling my farm and buying stock, but if everyone did, there would be no food and no life outside of cities.

[@missmeow4800]

thank you very much for this insightful reply!

[@aaronmarks9366]

Thank you for what you do

[@oliver556]

I love how every time a non-Brit tries to put on a British accent they sound Australian 😂

[@gabrielsatter]

But when try to sound Australian we sound like a horse just kicked us in the head.

[@Saiputera]

Russell brand have more views then this progressive channel 😂😂

[@Imfreehowaboutu]

@@Saiputera than* has*

[@Saiputera]

@@Imfreehowaboutu thanks

[@calebmalpin6926]

We're trying not to sound gay

[@masteroziniii2486]

For those who don't know the inventor of artificial fertilizer was Dr Fritz Haber. His idea was later industrialized to scale by Carl Bosch, which is why the process is often called the Haber-Bosch process. Haber however demonstrated this process in 1909, which was around 5 years before wwi. It is also true that Haber worked for the German army in wwi, mainly as a military chemist making chemical weapons for the soldiers. He also had a few of the factories that were making fertilizer make explosives, which can be done because Ammonium nitrate can be a powerful explosive. His chemicals undoubtedly were also used in WWII by the nazis. But to say that he was a nazi, that's unlikely. The dude was jewish, and a really close friend with Albert Einstein, even having sleepovers with him on occasion. So saying that this process is a product of Hitler's Germany is just wrong.

[@user-jy2sj4ed4i]

Thanks for that

[@JMD501]

Veritasium just put out a video about this like 3 days ago.

[@JMD501]

Also while he was very pro Austrian in WW1, he was definitely very anti Nazi.

[@Turnil321]

@@JMD501 Yeah, in the video it was said that Fritz was offered a job by the Nazis but he decided to turn it down and fled to Switzerland where he died before ww2.

[@winetofive1464]

I love the mental image of Haber and Einstein whacking each other with pillows.

[@katy_h]

I was a teenager when Russell Brand was just known as a kooky stand up comedian and panel show guest who emo kids like me enjoyed. So wild to see where he is now. He did spark my interest about ten years ago when he tried to start a revolution in British politics but then, I was an easily influenced teenager who didn't know anything about politics and thought he sounded like he knew what was up.

[@jamespower5165]

Simple. Katie Perry money ran out

[@katy_h]

@@jamespower5165 In fairness, he was famous and wealthy in his own right before he met Katy Perry

[@Romanplaystation]

Yeah. I miss 'Big Brother's Little Brother' Russell, and his daft jokes about his 'dinky winky'. The shakesperian goth that teamed up so epically with Noel Fielding on Big Fat Quiz of the Year. The lefty standup that used to spend a good chunk of his time hitting out at right wing media, and discrimination. Since he has turned 'spiritual' he has rather rapidly descended into one of the most insufferable people online . . . And it makes me a bit sad, as I used to absolutely love the guy. I even bought 'My Booky Wook'. Lol.

[@cassanateli]

I think he was more rational back then, he didn’t jump onto the right wing bandwagon til years later. A lot of the anti politics he talked made a lot of sense in the beginning, y’know, besides the “don’t vote” stuff

[@katy_h]

@@Romanplaystation I don't think BFQOTY has ever had a better team than Russell Brand and Noel Fielding, in all the years since!

[@vixwza8553]

I was anti gmo when I was 16, after watching some propaganda, then I grew up and realised that without it large amounts of people would die of hunger, and it isn't harmful. It was hard for me to admit I was wrong, so I get why people never grow out of it, their beliefs just intensify, as they surround themselves with people that are alike.

[@unc0mm0n2]

Yeah me too. Then I grew a brain looked at research and found out GMOs are pretty useful. It's so sad to see so many viewers on this channel not even care about data or facts. That's what right wing morons do.

[@penguindrum264]

I was like that too, then I realized the error of my ways, sadly my friends who were into that are now into other things like alkaline water, and how I'm evil for being vegetarian instead of vegan.

[@colinhaney]

A lot of people spout nonsense about GMOs but the fundemental health concern is breeding crops to be ultra-resistant to particular, overused, PROBABLY carcinogenic herbicides like Glyphosate. GMOs are good and herbicides are good but the movements about awareness and accountability for their widescale use are not fundementally rooted in the woo-woo nonsense you OFTEN unfortunately hear from anti-GMO people. Big ag and herbicide manufacturers have spent a lot of money to make this issue go away, but they also benefit heavily from the conversation being focused on anti-GMO people who don't know what they're talking about. I'm not suggesting a conspiracy there but there is some widespread strawmanning of the movement for accountability and transparency on these practices and their true health effects.

[@nuncapasaran9374]

The left or whatever this is definitely has its conspiracy driven crunchy Jill Stein side. It's why I moved away from the Green Party in America, because it's so full of people like that who end up being dupes for reactionaries. I also think the Green Party elsewhere has caused major issues when they're a part of governments, such as the issue raised here about farmers and GMOs; essentially the Green Party acts as colonialists in the name of pseudo environmentalism.

[@USMNT1913]

Same, I was the guy who never bothered to actually do any research, but since I heard it from enough people and enough people believed it, I did too. God I was insufferable when I whined about GMO’s. I’m glad no one called me out on it in person. That would have been a huge L.

[@LaylaSpellwind]

I'd just like to say, as someone from the UK. Even to us this is gibberish. It could be because I'm Scottish, but understanding what the hell this guy is saying isn't helping him make any sense.

[@therobotchickenMLP]

The way he calls his audience "awakening wonders" is so weird. That should be everyone's first red flag.

[@basedfemboi9401]

He's actually interesting to watch

[@cgsec2275]

This is text book cult brain washing. Making followers think they are special. Though I am still undecided if he is an evil manipulator, or just a mentally ill person who believes all his own nonsense and has gained such a following by accident.

[@whispererindarkness]

cult leader behaviour

[@snoopy_peanuts_77]

@@basedfemboi9401 yea....like a cult leader who is in love with his own words

[@dutchguylikesmovies2416]

Yes because being positive is horrible and suspicious

[@musicf3b]

I swear to you Russell Brand wasn’t always brain dead. His mystic woo woo nonsense used to be pretty Zen and vaguely positive.

[@excalibur2772]

this reads as parody

[@crepooscul]

Money.

[@cjlooklin1914]

It's hard to stay sane in this crazy world

[@markzuckergecko621]

You know, leftists used to be distrusting of government and massive corporations.

[@analcommando1124]

nah, he was always terrible. As a comedian and actor as well

[@IAmNumber4000]

You can tell capitalism is doing completely fine and everything is normal when every media personality starts doing schizoposting and people watch them even more

[@2chrisby]

Better than the alternative that will turn into fascism or worse capitalism

[@orderofdusk2382]

@@2chrisby L + cringe post

[@JustChrisWillDoTa]

I'm so disappointed in where Brand has ended up. Once upon a time when he was a TV personality and controversial comedian he was pretty funny. Then years later when he really started talking about politics on his KZbin channel he seemed honest and to have good ideas. I met Russel back in 2014. I was messed up and in rehab after coming off heroin and methadone, and Russell came to the rehab. It seemed like he actually cared at the time, and was there doing things to actually help people. He didn't have any cameras watching him or anything, and at the time he had given jobs to other recovering addicts. I didn't hang about at the rehab, but was happy to meet Brand, everyone was really. I know he dismisses talk that he's right wing now, but that's just more infuriating tbh, like he's insulting everyone's intelligence. Yes he hasn't come out as a Conservative, but his content is nicely tailored to right wing conspiracy type people. He seems no different to Jimmy Dore now really.

[@gepisar]

yeah, i had high admiration for what he said about drugs and rehabilitation and what worked and what didnt from direct experience. Now, i dont know what he is. Alex Jones lite. Tis a shame...

[@fiifola]

I personally think he's suffered longterm repercussions mentally for all the drugs. That or he's relapsed. unfortunately it happens sometimes.

[@TheGiggityG]

He's a less hateful Jimmy Dore but the grift is the same.

[@howwrongwewere]

@@haganslattery5785 n

[@stevec6427]

I think he's in the same political space as people like Joe Rogan who claim to be libertarian but basically just support everything the conservative right does

[@GekkeGeitjes]

As a Dutch person I can safely say that they have absolutely no idea what the farmers protests are about.

[@blackwatertv7018]

Half the times they don’t either they just think it must be important cause the media isn’t convering them 24/7

[@JerehmiaBoaz]

Indeed, I'm Dutch too and the Dutch farmers are protesting because they refuse to reduce the amount of ammonia they release into the environment. The amount of ammonia and other nitrogen compounds released into the environment has to be reduced by order of the highest Dutch court because the nitrogen pollution is destroying Dutch nature and wild life reserves. Dutch farmers practice the most intensive and technological agriculture in the world and the Netherlands are the second largest exporter of agricultural produce after the US while the Netherlands are a tiny country with an area 1/237th that of the US. The protests and farmers action committees that organize the protests are heavily sponsored by this agricultural industry. To make a long story short: Russel is supporting farmers that are polluting the environment to such an extent that it's destroying nature. These aren't small farmers either, some of them run so called "mega barns" with hundreds of thousands of chickens, tens of thousands of pigs, or thousands of cows under a single roof. IOW they're exactly the kind of farms Russel says he doesn't want.

[@kianag6692]

@@JerehmiaBoaz That's good to know 👍

[@JerehmiaBoaz]

@letsTrySelfImprovement Ammonia is the major pollutant in manure, it's created when feces is mixed with urine. The agricultural runoff consists of nitrites and nitrates which are also a problem (they acidify soil and water and are toxic to humans and animals) but the main problem the Dutch government needs to fix are the ammonia emissions created by the crazy intensive animal husbandry.

[@hutlazzz]

Sure you know more than people who are actually aim to comply.. Sit on your coatch and watching television you know more Communist sympatisant

[@jtrain9926]

It's sad how he's replaced one addiction with another.

[@TheProphessionalGeek]

What do you mean replaced? I have no doubt he’s still railing tons of dumb hippy chicks.

[@mogscugg2639]

Knowing conservatives he loses interest in his "fix" when they turn 18

[@rclc161]

maga disease is real

[@anneanne9009]

Money is his new god.

[@MrNanomonkey]

Exactly! That's immediately what I thought when I saw this.

[@TheArbiter10]

Chat arguing against GMO like, “B-but, my yoga instructor told me GMOs cause cancer and to only buy _organic_ food!”

[@mugogrog]

I am so glad that I have the ability to just shut the damn nonsense off and let someone else be frustrated about it for a while. I am increasingly feeling depressed, frustrated and angry with how fucking stupid the world is seemingly getting. I keep telling myself that it's just the connectedness of the world that is making the nonsense more visible but it feels like any intelligence is being swallowed whole by a rising tide of crackpottery. In other words, thanks for taking the pressure off for a while.

[@xBINARYGODx]

its not actually dumber - read history - rich and powerful men have been pied pipering people for hundreds of years (thousands?).

[@TheAmericanAmerican]

I like to hit the copium with the idea that our species is going through a massive growing pain that is the internet. Having literally all of our collective knowledge at our fingertips is both a blessing and a curse. We have all this information but it can and will be used by the dumb and by the corrupt to push their propaganda and agendas... IF we can survive this unprecedented shift to our society/civilization, then we might just enter a new golden age of discovery and achievement... or we all just crash and burn up as our global civilization collapses due to climate change. It's honestly a coin toss at this point lol

[@awnzotheman]

@infomercial enjoyer true like all the dums dums who believed the buy large mansions scam, the double face mask, and that vax would stop the spread.

[@duckheadbob]

@infomercial enjoyer but before sane intellectuals were preyed upon and demanded to conform. Unless you lived in a large progressive city, you likely lived in an area that was dominated by men with extremist religious views used as excuse to justify their incredibly authoritarian village laws and customs. Like unironically a couple hundred years ago where I'm currently living, the idiots in power of the towns here were burning at the stake teenage girls who liked to read books because thats indicative of being "a witch".

[@jaceking5938]

I don't have the ability to shut it off, jealous

[@Weyngott]

As someone who lives as an expat in the Netherlands, it is so wild to see how much this topic has been picked up by international media. Please never forget how many of these farmers are using rhetoric like "they are taking our land to give it to ukrainian refugees" or call the conservative prime minister a communist for allowing the country to get closer to current climate goals. It is crazy to me that Russell and Vandana want to paint them as victims. They have known for ages that certain practices they engage in are harmful to the environment, but of course they have continued in the interest of producing more yield. People who claim to be for saving our climate taking this stance is exactly what makes people get "doomer" about climate policy. If you stand with the dutch farmers on this, you cannot authentically want real change.

[@become-pneuma]

Forcing local farmers to sell their land to the state is not change its control. If the Dutch government was serious about these farmers adjusting to environmental regulations, they would have a transition period to give these farmers time to adjust to new fertilizer rules (btw other options besides nitrogen fertilizer are not viable for mass farming atm), and they would compensate the 30% of livestock they want to kill above market value, not give them an ultimatum of change your fertilizer without any viable alternatives and kill your livestock or we take your land. If the Dutch government was serious about combatting climate change they would go after Shell with billions of dollars in oil drilling operations not Hans the farmer from the lowlands with 20 cattle. What makes me a doomer on climate change is people ignoring the biggest polluters and going after people instead, pretending like this will solve the situation.

[@xXRickTrolledXx]

Expat? I think you mean wealth immigrant.

[@anewagora]

The history of extreme totalitarians attacking farmers and causing famine lingers over this topic like a dark shadow. Even if environmental problems are urgent, totalitarian violence will likely cause far more environmental destruction and not do much of anything to slow down human industrial activity otherwise. How many citizens in the Netherlands can make lifestyle changes on individual and collective scales to exit the industrial system if they are literally starving? If you have important information that would add nuance and explain the situation more clearly, from a different angle, then share online- make videos, write about it. Especially if you are in the Netherlands, you could get more localized info and give better cultural, economic and historic context than outsiders might otherwise see. I care a lot about the environment, but aggressive and hostile Environmentalists pushed me away from partnerships in their groups. And even worse, by repeatedly calling anyone slightly different or less aggressive than them "Deniers", they actually got me to think of myself as more skeptical of Climate Change than I actually was. Because I saw it as a very complicated concept and would rather learn from a variety of sciences and industries etc, than act dogmatically from a blind faith. The irony here is that many people who are seriously afraid/shocked by the attack on Dutch farmers are actually VERY receptive to the idea that we are going through a major crisis and that is why they care about it. They would not be close-minded to the idea we are in an environmental crisis, if you are wise in how you interact with them.

[@Mango_Eter]

@@anewagora I was born and raised in the Netherlands, live in Groningen, and several of my friends and family are farmers. I can tell you that the largest issues imo are: right extremist aggression and attempts to radicalize farmers for their own gain, and a disregard for farmers, telling them what the new rules are but not making a solid plan to protect their livelihoods. But whatever happens, we are not starving and will not starve.

[@TouringWolf42]

@God's Chosen By 2030? That's enough time for them to diversify their yield. And I've heard of the Dutch government proving financial aid to make it possible. So nah, this corporate bullcrap won't convince me that environmental pollution is ok on such a scale.

[@memebump7612]

Who else remembers Russell's "dont vote" ark? The one that ended with him telling his viewers to go out and vote right after registration to vote had ended...

[@freedomofmusic2112]

I didn't know about this, I'm floored lol

[@memebump7612]

@@freedomofmusic2112 It was his humble beginning on KZbin, long, long ago.

[@carlosmoreira8835]

LMAO did he really?

[@EnricoFantini]

He's doing the same with American politics - relentlessly attacking Democrats (often based on superficial arguments) and saying they're just as bad as Republicans, so voting is pointless because neither party cares about the working people.

[@MrNanomonkey]

@@carlosmoreira8835 Yeah :(

[@bestaqua23]

Hereing The Men who literally owns an island complaining about "the elites" is beyond delirious

[@jdprettynails]

"When I was poor, they called me jealous. Now I'm rich, they call me a hypocrite." - Russell Brand (before he went insane)

[@boserboser6870]

@@jdprettynails this is honestly a good quote. Its very a rhetorical tactic to denounce someones ideas by targeting their character

[@ivantuma7969]

Father of GMO's ... Gregor Mendel - Austria, *1866* ! Russia is known for disseminating anti-GMO propaganda in the West. "Russia views the dissemination of anti-GMO information as just one of many divisive issues it can exploit as part of its information war"

[@xamislimelight8965]

Ugh my mom repeats his faux science/drug addled philosophy conspiracy theory bullshit all the time. "He's interesting" Yeah, so is my dog but that doesn't make him smart

[@audiebridge3103]

Your dog probably is smarter than Russell to be fair.

[@xamislimelight8965]

@@audiebridge3103 I'd have to agree with you lol and my dog literally eats dirt

[@NotoriousLightning]

You have every resource available to help you awaken, and yet you refuse to open your eyes and let in the daylight! It's maddening, quite frankly!

[@orderofdusk2382]

@@NotoriousLightning Yeah yeah, something something vaccine GMOs something autism something turning kids gay something [insert minority group here who is supposedly the source of all evil]

[@NotoriousLightning]

@@orderofdusk2382 I'll have you know that I'm an old leftist from way back, bucko, and I happen to know that Russell is one as well!

[@user-em6ie2be7x]

I don't think I've ever seen an Environmentalist with her Priorities so screwed up in my life.🤨

[@caldwell9-0]

it would make more sense grammatically if you said “ i don’t think i’ve ever seen an environmentalist with priorities so screwed as hers”

[@vigdisherja4909]

If you want to catch up on what she does, I suggest Myles Prower's channel.

[@mogscugg2639]

Do you think she cares about the environment of Pakistan though

[@hwiatslgeord2887]

@@mogscugg2639 wtf ? Where did she indicate she is an indian nationalist??

[@Cancellator5000]

Actually there is a lot of this amongst environmentalists. They have a dogmatic idea of what is perfect based on woo woo or fear of nuclear or something being "unnatural" and it often plays out as being counterproductive to achieving anything.

[@Zeffer32]

Brand's been huffing his own farts for way too long, it's effecting his brain. I remember loving a bit he did in stand-up where he goes into the crowd, then when he's behind the first row, to keep moving around he says 'take the mic lead and pass it over your heads to prove socialism can one day work in this country'. I can hardly listen to his waffle anymore smdh

[@Basmaster100]

Maybe I can shed some light on the farmers protest in the Netherlands, since I’m Dutch. From what I understand, years ago the EU set up some guidelines regarding the emission of nitrogen and ammonia. However, the Dutch government (and especially of the parties in the coalition) kept putting it off saying that “future technologies” will allow the yield to keep growing while the emissions would come below the EU guidelines. Surprise, surprise, that didn’t happen, and now regulations have to come in place to get emissions at and acceptable level before the deadline. The farmers got lied to, but they knew the regulations would come eventually and didn’t do anything about it. On the contrary, they kept expanding, thus increasing the emissions. This all led to the protests with farmers blockading motorways and distribution centers of major supermarket chains, dumping manure and hay (and sometimes setting it on fire), and in some instances even dumping asbestos. There haven’t been any deadly accidents yet, but if those protests continue, it’s not a question of “if” but “when”. One farmer caused an accident which might have paralyzed him for life. Also, one time they caused an accident involving multiple cars, but since nobody got wounded or died, their reaction was something along the lines of “we don’t care”. Funnily enough, because of these types of protest, their support among the Dutch is dwindling. If someone can to add something I forgot, feel free to!

[@berjanbeen7188]

To be fair to the EU each country has to make their own model and system for emission. The Dutch system is unique and puts a lot of emphasis on the Nitrogen compounds. The rest is on point.

[@88mphDrBrown]

@@berjanbeen7188 from what I understand humans were faced with 2 options- invent a way to synthesize nitrogen to replace in the soil or face a massive famine/starvation. I wasn't aware that the use or production of fertilizer was important enough to regulate out of existence. Is there something I'm missing?

[@88mphDrBrown]

@@berjanbeen7188 also i thought Haber invented the fertilizer well before the nazis.

[@berjanbeen7188]

@@88mphDrBrown I don't know what the fuck you are talking about. I'm merely pointing out how the Dutch system works. Also there are optimum soil conditions and though nitrogen depletion is terrible for food production and artificial fertilizer has staved of famines, our use of it has not always let to long term viability. Therefore regulation of fertilizer and finding sustainable ways of soil management are paramount for a continued healthy agriculture.

[@88mphDrBrown]

@@berjanbeen7188 i just asked you because you seemed to have knowledge about the regulations. You response was succinct and it can be hard to find the truth on the internet. I know roughly why and how artificial fertilizer was invented and I saw a documentary about how synthetic farming compounds are unsustainable and being manipulated by the companies that sell them. It was mostly about soil composition and predatory practices by the companies that sell farmers chemicals. I've never heard of a specific reason to regulate nitrogen in fertilizer.

[@n.h.moreno]

I remember Jordan B Peterson, unironically saying, "I've been listening to Russell Brand a lot lately. He is a real intelligent guy.'' Okay, Peterson. You mean, a "good grifter"????? Good grief

[@marcb.4401]

anyone JP endorses ain't worth anyone's time

[@EnricoFantini]

Jordan Peterson, Russell Brand, Jimmy Dore and Dave Rubin are my favorite comedians!

[@Tymbus]

Well there's a difference between being intelligent and possessing actual information and using understanding and reality testing to approximate the truth

[@bsqwahlE]

That's exactly who I thought of, so many words used; so little meaning conveyed.

[@snoopy_peanuts_77]

@@EnricoFantini Dave Rubin's standup has my brain still in recovery mode

[@K._Red]

A Vaush/Russell convo would be dope but lately the debate scene has been like Vaush: Suffering from Success

[@KalebPeters99]

Dude it really would. I definitely agree with vaush about a lot of Russel's ideas but I think if they chatted they would agree on more than expected.

[@johnlemon874]

Sadly Vaush is more about the money and optics now instead of pursuing interesting discussions which is why I watch Destiny more now

[@BigOwl51]

@@johnlemon874 if he was only doing it for the money we would have 5 Russel Brand debates, an interview with vaush on Russel’s show, and vaush x Russel brand merch

[@tyeklund7221]

@@johnlemon874 lol fucking what? If he wanted more money he would be talking with others all the time to gain access to other peoples audiences

[@johnlemon874]

@@BigOwl51 Thats massive cope, Vaush often refuses to even debate smaller creators because he would “give them a platform”, he got really disingenuous about what he does and believe.

[@louisfifteen]

He used to be a drug addict, now he is just addicted to seeing himself online, no matter how ridiculous the topic.

[@user-fj5hs1bi7y]

I think hes on something still

[@MourningCoffeeMusic]

Man, I thought the guy was sober but clearly he’s not. 2020 really broke a lot of people’s brains 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@user-em6ie2be7x]

Russell Brand use to go on Fox News & talk about the benefits of Higher Wages & Unions. Now he's completely gone off The Deep End...what happened?

[@basedfemboi9401]

He still believes that he just doesn't believe in the conspiracy theory that Democrats are gonna bring those things

[@russellward4624]

He figured out theres more money and diafication on the right.

[@dogeatdog6157]

Do you think he doesn't argue for that stuff anymore?

[@gabrielsatter]

@Rune Kristensen You sit there talking out of both sides of your mouth and expect anyone to take your arguments about unions seriously? British unions are under attack just like anywhere else. The attacks use the same bs talking points you just spouted.

[@gabrielsatter]

Guess Rune left, eh? Or blocked us. Either way, whatever.

[@Grace-tg4oy]

There's a scene in "Part of Me" the Katy Perry documentary, where they show her having a breakdown over Russell Brand divorcing her via text. Do you think she sees his new content and is grateful she dodged a bullet? That's what I think of everytime Russell does something like this.

[@e13kid]

No I don’t think she’s chronically online.

[@nathansmith8312]

I think Russel dodged a whole ass horse. Better for him now that she's not even on anyone's radar like I thought she go alopecia and told will smith to smack black comedians

[@marcb.4401]

@@nathansmith8312 wtf? is it crack? is that what you smoke? you smoke crack?

[@hellomynamesninooo6017]

I'm a huge plant person and yes, you can interbreed species of plants. It doesn't always work and it takes a lot of time and effort, but you can always take the fucking pollen from one plant and put it into another and develop seeds. This is not new lmao

[@tonyfarina9265]

Kudos to Vaush on his knowledge on molecular biology to produce GMOs. I am a molecular biologist and Vaush is 💯 correct on breeding technologies vs gene editing using modern techniques. My only caveats is The FDA disguises some gmos based on the selection techniques but agree we’ve been doing this for 1000s of years. Be it marijuana or horses or dogs, humans have been breeding organisms to suite their population growth.

[@nyahs6197]

i’m a senior college student in biology and i thought i was missing something from how chat was reacting, vaush is basically correct in his understanding of what gmos are

[@materialdialectics]

@@nyahs6197 Yeaahhhh, I find GMOs are one of the few areas where people on the left have a tendency to go all anti-science. I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, I'm sure they CAN be bad if used in certain ways, but that's a regulatory issue and coming to the conclusion that GMOs are evil just strikes me as essentialist nonsense. It's like saying modern medicine is bad because of the opioid epidemic.

[@wynoglia]

Hell yea! Let's go!

[@Incrediblefatslug]

Chat is silly. I ignore em.

[@jumanbar]

Yeah, but isn't it a bit much to compare natural evolution with gene inserting techniques? like, a gene that's in a fish wouldn't suddenly appear in a banana overnight, by natural processes. At least not that I'm aware of, and, in case there's an exception, it probably accounts for a very tiny minority of cases. What I'm saying is, just because a GMO can survive the gene insertion, does not mean that said insertion won't fuck up it's internal metabolism and maybe produce shitty by products, like carcinogenic toxins or something. Don't get me wrong, I don't *think* there's a high chance of this happening, but... Is it honest to say that we know it's safe, tho? I'm a biologist, not specialized in molecular biology or genetics tho. Happy to hear arguments, but not so much to hear dismissing this point so easily.

[@donkeypoo99]

I haven’t heard anything from Russel Brand since I think the 2016 election, and iirc he was actually making a lot of left wing Bernie-esque statements on main stream media. And now I’m suddenly seeing all this?

[@snoopy_peanuts_77]

yeah he morphed just about the time Covid started to hit......his right wing grift started when he turned into an anti vaxxer/anti masker keep everything open douchebag and screw the poor......he's really fallen off and went the jimmy dore route.......

[@jamespower5165]

Katie Perry money ran out

[@tph2010]

Yeah, it's so disappointing

[@admirallove6180]

Same, it's so weird, he used to be center-left and he used to be into institutional academic stuff, wtf happened to him?

[@charisma-hornum-fries]

Maybe it’s simply a lack of a face to face audience validating his ego every day. That can be hard in the middle of a pandemic.

[@colehelvey4547]

Vaush, from now on I’m expecting to see a cocaine fueled self promo in an English accent for every video. I will unsubscribe and cry, if not.

[@russellward4624]

Well he needs to learn to do an English accent first cause that sounded like a bad Aussie one. I'm hoping for a Geordie accent myself.

[@user-jy2sj4ed4i]

@@russellward4624 i think he was trying to do a brand impression mostly. And Russells voice is not normal jaja

[@russellward4624]

@@user-jy2sj4ed4i yea but his accent was very Australian not cockney

[@user-jy2sj4ed4i]

@@russellward4624 I'm an American i haven't a clue lol

[@Tooldruid]

This video has aged well...

[@politicamufu648]

i had watched Russell's video and i thought a lot of the stuff he said was true and good and i even disliked your video before watching it. But after i finished watching your video i now realize that Russel spoke in a very vague, hippy, nonsense way. I like your reaction video and have learned that you shouldn't believe things at facevalue and you should personally research into them. Thank you.

[@Saiputera]

Russell brand have more views then this progressive channel 😂😂

[@axelmont]

@@Saiputera So what

[@ttthecat]

Good on you for watching the video through and being open to new information.

[@TheLivingSeven]

That intro motivated me to like, comment, *and* subscribe.

[@user-jy2sj4ed4i]

Don't forget to reply!

[@Saiputera]

Russell brand have more views then this progressive channel 😂😂

[@TheLivingSeven]

@@Saiputera What?

[@IsThatAShortJoke]

He really fits the hippy woo woo aesthetic. That being said, a lot of that stuff is a gateway to anti-vax propaganda with people "just asking questions" about the ingredients of vaccines.

[@dickmonkey-king1271]

That tag 'hippy woo' also used to include meditation, yoga, juicing, and a whole host of other things that are now mainstream.

[@adorabell4253]

@@dickmonkey-king1271 is juicing mainstream? I always saw it as rich mostly white people being dumb about fruit. Juicing gives you all the sugar and none of the fibre

[@kain6996]

@@dickmonkey-king1271 it also includes shit like crystal healing,chiropractors, and homeopathy some of which are also mainstream guess what those are also harmful and are getting people killed just like faith healing the problem isn’t sticking a fucking rock up your snatch its thinking the rock will cure your ovarian cancer cause a huckster told you it would if someone was selling a yoga course and saying it magically fixed all depression that would be woo shit as well even if yoga itself isn’t damaging

[@dickmonkey-king1271]

@@kain6996 Who cares? You have the right to drink beer, eat pizza, smoke cigarettes... all of which are bad for your health. So if you have the right to actively damage your health, surely other people can have the right to dabble in silliness? Also, who knows what science might discover is true in the future? People like you used to laugh at meditation just as you do crystals. All of these things are only one breakthrough study away from 'oh, actually this is possibly good for you'. But, ultimately, leave people alone. You do your thing, and they do theirs. It's nothing to do with you.

[@johnnonamegibbon3580]

I know, right? I hate when people ask questions about being forced to take vaccines. We don't have time to think about it, just do it!

[@tusharakodikara2487]

He's fucked... his past has caught up with him

[@Coraltide]

Thank you for the very based gmo take- I used to work in a grocery store and many of my coworkers fell victim to my rant about how demonized gmos are and how overhyped organic is. They could be utilized so well and help so many more people if people weren’t so fucking scared of things they don’t understand (and also capitalism fuckinv things up, as usual)

[@bluespaceman7937]

Good point.

[@rustytoyota]

I liked Russell Brand when he was more about Sobriety. He has Two or Three Books on Sobriety I personally found useful. But now Russell has become a media outlet and is pushing an agenda like everybody else is. But let's not forget that he will say how " None of this is my thoughts I'm just reading off this article ". He sucks. This is his new addiction.

[@terrystevens3998]

I’m my experience when an ex addict stops talking about sobriety and starts talking about crazy shit instead it means that they have forgone sobriety.

[@admirallove6180]

"This is his new addiction" Wow so true!

[@ZepTheGamer]

Chat: We use CRISPR to modify plants, which is different from what you're talking about Vaush: No we're not using CRISPR on plants to add in different DNA Chat: We DO use CRISPR on plants to add in different DNA Vaush: Yeah but we're not adding wolf DNA This was so disappointing to watch

[@ultracringehandybookphile1252]

Yeah. I'm as pro GMO as they come but Vaush is totally disingenuous when he compares selective breeding to genetic engineering.

[@Kickersvideo]

I have to admit only I watched the first 20 minutes of this video, but Vaush comes across as really ill informed. It’s amazing how confident he makes himself sound, when it looks like he doesn’t know what he”s talking about. Does he event know what GMO technology is? From the first 20 mins I suspect he doesn’t. Unfortunately I guess I’ll have to watch some more of the video, to find out for sure.

[@damjanp7920]

Why is it disappointing? Seems like he was arguing that adding different DNA with CRISPR isn't necessarily a bad thing cause we're not doing stupid shit like adding DNA just for the sake of it but in a way that improves the original plant. Which shouldn't be a bad thing if it makes the plant more resistant to idk certain weather conditions or pesticide and such, no?

[@freedomofmusic2112]

@@damjanp7920 exactly, there's a moment where he says CRISPR is just a faster, more powerful method of altering plant's genes than selective breeding. Same desired outcome, different process. People fear monger about GMOs saying it'll give us all cancer or something.

[@ZepTheGamer]

@@damjanp7920 you're missing the point. The chat messages he picks out basically never argues for or against the existence of GMOs, literally just the differences between two things. Watching him flounder here was really disappointing

[@TheProphessionalGeek]

Remember when Russel Brand was an openly sleezy womanizer? I’m sure a person who has a long history of telling people exactly what they want to hear to manipulate them, has turned a new leaf.

[@bsqwahlE]

I didn't really care why Katy Perry divorced him, but now I know. Womanizer. Crazy (but in a bad way)

[@robbiekop7]

They divorced because she didn't want to start a family straight away. She is now with Orlando Bloom and she has started a family.

[@cesenu19]

He is super handsome. He was more times picked by woman than he picked them.

[@torrb420]

He was always a self admitted sex addict and rampant cheater. Brand was always a piece of shit, but people either forget too quick or too young to never seen that side of Brand.

[@crooked_letters]

Take me back to 2009 where this was just the funny br*tish dude from Forgetting Sarah Marshall and I don’t have to watch this guy (whom I really enjoyed as an actor) dwindle into a psychosis induced schizophrenic meltdown

[@gabrielsatter]

It could be worse. He might just be grifting.

[@user-em6ie2be7x]

Yeah that's Cult Leader Energy if I've ever seen it. 🤔

[@lucasblaise11]

I always thought of him as a good person. Happy comedian who mocked the powerful (the real establishment) while great on LGBT and capitalism. You can't just be a good person to end up on the right side.

[@snoopy_peanuts_77]

he did speak that way for a while.....but during COVID and maybe a little bit before around late 2019 he had a narrative change.....its very noticeable

[@Saiputera]

Russell brand have more views then this progressive channel 😂😂

[@snoopy_peanuts_77]

@@Saiputera and what does that tell you? People are stupid and easily fooled by conmen....that's not the own you think it is...

[@LevantWasTaken]

@@snoopy_peanuts_77 No, conmen easily fool smart people. Especially ones who think only dumb people can be fooled

[@snoopy_peanuts_77]

@@LevantWasTaken of course they fool smart people too but gullible people who hate intelligence and logic and want to feel smart are their first target

[@FrauStormm]

I went to a magnet high school that specialized in environmental studies and I remember getting my mind blown when we all did research papers on chemicals and their effects and found out GMO’s are actually good and not evil.

[@s0515033]

GMO is probably what is preventing mass starvation. I can't imagine how little we'd produce using "organic" methods.

[@gabrielsatter]

@@s0515033 We'd produce plenty using organic methods... I mean, we'd have to cut down half the remaining rain forests and you'd have to donate your back yard, but we'll get it done.

[@markboon2024]

Whenever a hear about Russell Brand, I remember an old saying. "Baffles brains with BS" He just talks nonsense but in such a confident way he confuses people into thinking he is actually being deep and intelligent.

[@fakenamebunchonumbers]

I watched what became the intro live and knew exactly how HYPE it would be. Let's go, VGGers!

[@TwoForFlinchin1]

She's technically correct about the science of organic fertilizers but that doesn't mean you can just convert in one night like they tried to. It's more of a waste management industry with supply chains that have to be developed as well

[@kianag6692]

Correct, i think most of Shivas points were valid and Vaush was incorrect in most think during this particular stream

[@pyotrvoitsekhovski9402]

@@kianag6692 that’s vaush’s biggest problem. he jumps into disproving certain videos regardless of whether or not he understands the subject discussed. of course, its a problem with streaming in general, you don’t have time to cite sources or research whats being discussed, but that just means he needs to stick to what he knows.

[@idontwantcorporateretaliat6301]

Only way this works is wait until tons of people die off so the land can sustain a smaller population.

[@charisma-hornum-fries]

They would need to do soil testing and a test of the organic fertilizer on different crops before mandating it countrywide. It’s highly problematic if not done correctly.

[@kianag6692]

@jshowa o It needs more than "nutrients" for healthy plants and a fertile soil...

[@raoulduke7668]

Vaush is literally the funniest human who has ever walked this planet while also being the most rational human as well - and you cannot convince me otherwise.

[@otheirony618]

I like how Vaush got away with doing a cringy intro by doing it ironically.

[@nagromtw5673]

Most chemical fertelisers are made with fossil gas, which isn't great. Main problem with chemical fertiliser is that it doesn't add any humus content to the earth making the earth worse at absorbing nitrogen with every crop cycle since most crops themselves consume humus to grow. Earth with low humus content also holds less water which makes the chemical fertelisers flow out of the earth when it rains, ultimately ending up in the sea. Overfertlization of bodies of water is currently a ecological disaster and the use of chemical fertiliser has a major part in killing most life in the Baltic Sea.

[@mogscugg2639]

Humung us

[@thaliagarcia9684]

Exactly, Vaush seems to ignore those facts in regards to soil health and ecology. Still he is not wrong about Russell and Shiva, they are insane and totally incoherent.

[@thaliagarcia9684]

@@JP-sm4cs What about both Shiva and Russell defending the farmers who want to use toxic fertilizers and condemning the Dutch gov wanting to decrease their use? They are totally incoherent and contradicting themselves on that point.

[@thaliagarcia9684]

@@JP-sm4cs I used to be a supporter of Shiva and she's most probably been misrepresented on Wiki, however many of her narratives/rants of late are just the same as loony anti-vaxxers and the far right, same with Russell. Why don't they ever go after or even mention fossil fuel billionaire elites and all the damage they have and still causing ecologically?

[@nagromtw5673]

@Christopher Grant I'm fully aware of that, biochar is very promising. I'm not trying to demonise all chemical fertelisers, just the ones that use fossil gas, which is most of the them.

[@ow124-k3z]

This is the funny thing, a few years back Russel Brand was basically doing some what you do today: debunking right-wingers on Fox. He endorsed Ed Milliband in 2015 (UK Labour leader at that election, it arguably did the opposite of helping him though tbh). Like sure, Brand wasn't ever a full-on comrade I think, I'm not sure he ever developed class consciousness as such for example (probably why he's where he's at now), however it's still mind boggling to see what direction some people go.

[@wephilips6651]

I think ego plays a big part. He’s always had a big ego and conscious or not he saw that the right wing grift market is way larger and more profitable than being on the left. Plus leftists, in general, by definition are more critical and questioning of stuff. He could have never attracted a fan base this loyal/brainwashed and this large just being a left wing commentator.

[@bsqwahlE]

His teeth are off-putting.

[@TheSquareheadgamer]

He endorsed ed millibad after the deadline to get added onto the election register, after telling people not to vote.

[@robbiekop7]

Didn't Vaush criticise AOC on her teeth and appearance in general

[@stevonwhite8933]

@@robbiekop7 Because of how “attributes”, are stupidly important for people when deciding on who to vote for.

[@thepiper5522]

I love the noisy, desperate sounding inhale between his yelled sentences. 🤣🤣🤣

[@lennertvdboom]

Hello, Dutchie here. The farmer protests here (mostly not done by small farmers) are funded by large live stock feeding companies in the Netherlands. Mainly just 2 companies who are worth billions and hundreds of millions of dollars.

[@AChickAndADuck]

His energy is so weird. The gasping for air between sentences. 😳

[@Vickyeverythingelsewastaken]

Seriously. I have Covid right now and even I talk less strained. Breate, dude. Breathe!

[@AChickAndADuck]

@@Vickyeverythingelsewastaken yes! So sorry about the Covid and I hope you feel better soon!

[@Vickyeverythingelsewastaken]

@@AChickAndADuck Thank you, comrade!

[@aceshigh1984]

Ah yes, i remember seeing this on stream Beating the great reset by causing a famine and resetting the lives of thousands of people. The whole bit about GMOs just goes to show (once again) how little conspiracy theorists like Brand know how things actually work.

[@Wes_Jones]

All she does is string together buzz words that mean NOTHING.

[@MyGraveDancer]

"Quantum entanglement"? That's literally Deepak Chopra's line! He should sue her for plagiarism.

[@buttercxpdraws8101]

Quantum entanglement is a concept in physics.

[@alanautpax6829]

I mean causing a famine in Sri Lanka and then using that several times FOR her arguments is just wow...

[@anneanne9009]

Famine in Sri Lanka? That was internal government corruption and nothing to do with fertiliser itself. It was to stop imports and keep money inside the country so the government could basically steal it. It did give small farmers no options, crops died, people got hungry but that was zero to do with environmental causes and all imports were affected.

[@leftwardbound3869]

“We are living in a society!” -Chinese Philosopher George Costanza

[@amk4956]

Vaushs view on GMO‘s and industrial agriculture are mostly accurate, a lot of the issues stem more from poor farm practices and legal issues as opposed to their being a fundamental problem with the plants. I would I would really like to have a conversation with him one day on agriculture

[@uniquename846]

I am really curious of what breattube thinks of what is happening in the Amazon. I mean, doesn't getting rid of it line up pretty good with materialist values? More housing, more room for economy. And what's more, the capitalist side believes this is true as well, so it's bipartisan. I guess more environmentalist minded people are now on their own, since the left apparently now likes growth as much as the right

[@amk4956]

@@uniquename846 the amazon rainforest needs protection Russel is advocating, though indirectly, for starvation which will destroy ecology as people eat literally anything they can find. If we use inferior methods to grow crops we will require more land to grow more food to make up for the shortfall. much of the amazon development is unnecessary right now and with Lula poised to win the presidency of brazil this year the government is going to be far more receptive to environmental causes

[@MarshallVeeMarshall]

It's really hard for me to believe this is really Russell Brand. This persona he is serving up here is so carefully crafted like he's doing an infomercial. It's just so bizarre.

[@zachnesmith]

“Awakening wonders?” That is some moonie-sounding shit.

[@WiloPolis03]

Ishkur (the electronic music guy) called Russell Brand an idiot's idea of a smart person

[@ventrust7507]

Russell Brand brand was made in Hollywood then KZbin. He is a real Baloney sausage maker.

[@mmilcz833]

Btw, that wild strawberry you showed is actually a different species in the strawberry genus and it is cultivated and sold in Poland. It’s much smaller but in my opinion much tastier than the regular strawberry. Though there are varieties of strawberry being created that have the aroma of wild strawberries. I tried one when visiting Scotland this spring and it was really good.

[@gemh89]

Scot here, will happily shell out a bit more for local strawberries, its totally worth it over the supermarket crap. Mo at my local shop started getting loads in because one day I casually mentioned how good they are.

[@danielmikula1375]

I think that the main point I've heard that takes up a valid point with GMO crops is the way that firms like Monsanto have been pursuing crops that do not seed naturally so that farmers have to buy new seed every planting season.

[@Ontomancer]

Definitely. The legitimate complaint about them is rooted in predatory capitalist practices, not the actual technology.

[@IsThatAShortJoke]

When you remove the predatory capitalist practices, GMOs are no different than what we've been doing already. Bananas are already made from a tree that is cloned over and over again. We've bred fruit to be bigger and look better. Just look up what strawberries looked like before we bred them.

[@terrystevens3998]

I’m pretty sure the issue wasn’t that they don’t seed because no farmer is out there using last years seeds to plant the next years crop because the rate of each seeds success is really important.. they buy new seed each year because each seed is picked to be successful.. if only 90% of your seeds germinate that’s big lost money.. so they rebuy each year and the germination rate is like 97.. the issues are way more complex then that they makes seeds that withstand sprays because they are modified to and then those sprays wipe out other plants and cause issues if you want to switch back to other brands of seeds after and the contracts are pretty much a deal with the devil that you can never leave montasanto seeds once you do them.. that and if seeds do blow onto other farms crops they were doing some shady shit like suing the neighbors farm for having their plants when they were not under contract and trying to put other farms out of business using this mob like tactic. I watched a documentary about it and it was crazy.. they were acting like the seed mob and farmers with montisano seeds were spraying chemicals that traveled miles in the air that only their crops could survive and wiping out other farms crops.

[@flyindevil]

How dare they sell a product that gives their customers profit. And they expect people to PAY for it? Shocking.

[@notjohn439]

@@flyindevil That isn't the criticism being made. Do you struggle with reading comprehension or are you intentionally strawmaning the argument?

[@richardbuckley1232]

As a person with bipolar disorder, I feel like he’s off his meds here.

[@Southboundpachyderm]

I love how vaush’s britbonger impersonation is just a drunk Aussie lol

[@saranonimus9211]

This issue was the beginning of the end between me and Facebook. My lib friends started posting hysterical anti-GMO memes, I did a bit of research about it, asked some questions on farming pages (the average farmer is quite matter-of-fact about how the tech is applied, go figure), then tried to introduce a little reason into my lib friends' organic fandom. Instant retaliation. Never mind that my history of progressive political opinion was firmly established over years of discourse...defend the use of GMOs, and suddenly I was a corporate shill. Pro tip...crunchy libs love being asked whether the organic farming industry has its own profit motive or if sellers of "all natural" products benefit from emotionally manipulative propaganda. They're *totally* willing to engage in that conversation. 😵

[@jocksharerock7318]

Sara Nonimus Too much generalizing. You’ve got the Jimmy Dore like chip on your shoulder, setting others up to side with you without even knowing what your discussions entailed. Calling them “libs” is nicer than $HiTlibs I guess, but you come across as one who’s pushed others away. A least two sides to every story

[@Dante3214]

One of the biggest reasons GMO's became less liked is how they were being used and not necessarily because the tech is inherently harmful. Though admittedly that nuance is lost to a lot of anti-gmo folks. Glyphosate-resistant products and terminator seeds (as well as a few things Vaush mentioned in the first quarter of the video) are some of the biggest culprits I can still remember. You're not a corporate shill by defending the technology, but you do inadvertently enable the abuse of the technology by exceedingly powerful agriculture companies and that is probably why they were upset. Of course, that is not your fault. GMO technology can and does work. But like any technology, it can be used in incredibly self-serving and careless ways. This is the issue. Anti-GMO narratives are a lot easier to spread when the abuse of the technology is unregulated. But I guess even the GMO argument is really more about corporations getting away with greedy crap that hurts the country/world than it is GMOs in particular. It's kinda like what people would do if we had a full blown nuclear war and survived. People would reflexively hate nuclear technology for generations.

[@Inaf1987]

@@Dante3214 "You're not a corporate shill by defending the technology, but you do inadvertently enable the abuse of the technology by exceedingly powerful agriculture companies and that is probably why they were upset. Of course, that is not your fault." Think it would be great if governments actually purchased the patents to these seeds and then made them available to the public, or better yet started their own GMO labs.

[@emylily8266]

@@Inaf1987 that still wouldn't fix that much if theres no extension to pesticide regulation (it would protect small land owners tho, which is a good step). Also no one would "sell" the patent to the government unless forced to, it would be a good kind of expropriation though, same thing should be done for some kinds of medicine too.

[@gabrielsatter]

I've had the same problem except I did it in social media since I didn't really hang out with anyone anymore per se... it blows your mind to figure out who must have failed basic science courses in the past.

[@7000_Skeletons]

"Sometimes I feel that the only power I have is the power I can achieve" FUCKING What??? You mean the only power you have is the power you have??? This man is a genius!

[@eccentriastes6273]

Glad I watched this all the way through. Watching Vaush get more and more exasperated is too funny.

[@andyrihn1]

She’s basically admitting she’s an anti-empiricist by 1:19:00. That with her causing the famine in Sri Lanka just contributes to the “organic” movement as being modern Lysenkoism

[@ishq963]

Jesus christo vaush said farmers haven’t been forced to use GMO and non organic fertilizer. Dude knows nothing about this topic . Sounds stupider than a high school anarchist.

[@gabrielsatter]

Citation needed...

[@ishq963]

@@gabrielsatter you want a time stamp is that what you’re saying?

[@gabrielsatter]

@@ishq963 No. V is correct. Farmers aren't forced to use these products, they want to. You need to show evidence that Farmers are forced to do that, lol. The onus is in you. Cite you're proof.

[@doepicshizzle6465]

Cocaine is a helluva drug.

[@zking2929]

It takes you to god

[@rouzah9419]

1:32 *_"what a genuine POS"_* i said that out loud at that point. I'm sure i'm not the only one.

[@danbennett9328]

Vaush "I think the arrangement of the periodic table is completely arbitrary" tells his audience Russell Brand spews nonsense.

[@Chazreal]

ROFLMAO! Vaush losing his shit over these two and their incredibly disjointed incoherent psychobabble is so incredibly cathartic to me!

[@gabrielsatter]

V is right. Any argument with her would end the same way. She'd just smile and pat your head in the most egregiously patronizing way. Her smug powers are off the chart.

[@randomjunk1977]

Vaush I gotta correct you on a thingat 15:00. There's a common story about some farmer who got sued by Monsanto for seed blowing into his field. That seems to be what you're referring to. It's bullshit. There was a case in 1998 of a farmer being sued by Monsanto for infringing their patent because he had roundup resistant canola seeds in his field that he hadn't bought from them. (Whether they should be allowed to patent a seed is a seperate conversation but legally they can prevent that) The facts of the case though are the farmer found some errant canola growing outside his property and isolated it by spraying roundup on it all to identify the resistant plants. He then saved all the seeds from those plants and replanted his field with them the next year. This is not in dispute, even by the farmer. He DELIBERATELY planted his ENTIRE field with Monsanto seeds, his argument was that he should be allowed since he just found them and had not signed the usual agreement to not save seeds that Monsanto requires when selling their product. He lost the case. Monsanto has sued a lot of farmers yes, but there is no documented case of a lawsuit solely for seeds landing in their fields accidentally. It's a very common claim, but it's not true.

[@gabrielsatter]

Absolutely, I called a few people out on that shit, but I didn't want to pull up the case for like you did. Thanks. I hope a bunch of people read this.

[@justasplanned8023]

Chat trying to school Vaush on GMOs in this video is infuriating. Chat is wrong on literally everything it is saying

[@fuksmkoud6716]

Russle Brand is literally a textbook cult leader. Holy shit

[@charlesrupp3976]

Saw the title and was like “so how is this any different from usual.

[@schnoz2372]

He’s not brain dead, he’s clever. Clever enough to keep directing his underlings to walk in a circle

[@anneanne9009]

He's making more money this way! Maybe he saw Katy Perry manage to be insanely wealthy and decent and he hasn't gotten the mix right yet!

[@northleedspoppa]

No he's thick

[@duckheadbob]

Omg she just thinks she's the absolute smartest person in the world. It's insufferable. Her "big truths" are so mundane and obvious, like you'll here most of them from a teenager the first time they smoke pot. "All our money is actually fictitious man"

[@pwnagraphic690]

I love when he was going on about original fruits and then answered someone why there was a meth pipe by his face and then went back to the GMO talk lol

[@FlipjevanTiel]

I'm Dutch, so I can explain something about the farmers causing an ecological disaster. The Netherlands is the second largest exporter of agricultural products in the world, after the USA, but The Netherlands is 237 times smaller than the USA. Our country is 54% agricultural land, with cows, pigs and chickens shitting on it. How do people not understand that will cause problems? But he's right that it is being addressed incorrectly. I'm sure big corporations are winning and small farmers are losing. That's because our right-wing government is handling the 'solutions'.

[@FlipjevanTiel]

@Christopher Grant That's mostly correct, but it's possible to have capitalism in a controlled way, so it doesn't destroy nature and small farmers. There are a number of countries doing that pretty successfully. However, I do prefer an alternative to capitalism, that serves the people instead of only the market (= the rich).

[@voinekku]

@@FlipjevanTiel is it? Why doesn't it exist then?

[@FlipjevanTiel]

@@voinekku Why doesn't what exist? A controlled way of capitalism? Just look at Denmark, Sweden, Finland and Norway. They are doing pretty well to have capitalism, without the most horrid side effects. Or do you refer to the alternative to capitalism? No, sadly that has never worked anywhere (yet). But I hope we ever get there, before humanity goes extinct. However, it might be true that replacing capitalism is the only way to prevent humanity from going extinct. We just have to convince all the capitalists of that idea. 👍😂

[@voinekku]

@@FlipjevanTiel I am from Finland. And while I agree the nordic model is probably the best system we've had thus far, it's not without its issues; mostly the inevitable drift towards more "free" capitalism or fascism. The nordic model peaked in 70s and 80s, after which the inbuilt oligarchical tendency of capitalism took over. Its easy for few of the rich to consolidate more and more power while shifting the structure of the society towards oligarchy, whereas the worker or voter organisation is extremely difficult. One could argue it was possible in the first place only because USSR existed as an proof that alternatives (even with all their shortcomings) are possible. Today theres no such example, and its easier to imagine an apocalypse than it is an alternative to capitalism. The neoliberal economic ideology empowered by the red scare and the lack of alternative systems as examples has crumbled the power of the unions, eroded much of the state power and centralised power more and more towards the hands of the handful of the rich in each of the respective countries.

[@FlipjevanTiel]

@@voinekku Really? I hope you took it as a compliment then. The Netherlands used to be a left-wing country too. That's why we realized an extensive social security system, education for everyone, a good median wage and acceptable income differences. Then the right-wing started fear mongering about immigrants that they brought in themselves as cheap labor and the unemployed leaching of working people, blaming it all on the left and telling people we need to modernize labor, social security, healthcare, education and all those things that normal people benefited from. They promised people that the market would solve all those problems and they privatized all public utilities, privatized our public healthcare system, made the labor market more flexible, made education more expensive, made public housing organizations sell off their property to private equity and private rich investors who don't pay taxes over their rent. That created a whole lot of very rich people, but it also created a race to the bottom for the lower wages. Now we have arrived at a point where housing is only affordable for well educated couples with good jobs. Everyone else is on waiting lists up to 15 years for some small expensive apartments. But we were talking about farmers. Many farmers have been forced out of business, because the price they get for their products is kept low, by food corporations and super markets who have all the power to extort them. They have tried to survive by up-scaling and boosting efficiency. That created massive surpluses and huge exports, which created big profits for the food corporations and automation system manufacturers, but only just kept the farmers alive. It also created a big manure surplus problem, lots of environmental pollution, greenhouse gasses, animal cruelty, barn fires, farm animal disease epidemics, food fraude cases and nuisance to local residents. Left-wing politicians have been warning about the growing problems for decades, but have been ridiculed by the right-wing and silenced by the media. The only way to get attention to the problems has been through lawsuits, forcing the government to act on the escalated problems, because our law obliges the government to protect citizens and nature from destruction caused by companies. Our government has been ineffective in solving any problems it has created in the last decades, so in this case it's not different. They throw a whole fucking lot of money at the problem, but offer no solutions. They just shift the responsibility to the provinces, who are probably forced to take impopulair solutions like asset forfeiture and relocation. Meanwhile only the left-wing is asking to provide perspective for farmers, like scaling them back to sustainable production, with good profits for farmers.

[@Metalheadgangster]

1:19:41 - 1:21:15 That is so inhuman. Imagine someone who could just subject MILLIONS to a famine and then smile and justify it by blaming the people trying to save them.

[@mackereltabbie]

Seriously. Yes, using organic fertilizer is good esp. in India where there's a massive problem with "organic fertilizer" from both humans and animals in rivers and on the ground everywhere that's a health hazard. Treating it so it's safe & then using it would be great. But banning the very effective industrially produced fertilizer is not the solution FFS, that would destroy farming

[@Metalheadgangster]

​@@mackereltabbie I'll bet the obvious disingenuousness she spews out would make a great fertilizer.

[@danielcrafter9349]

OMG chat was so distinctly dumb when talking about GMOs "I have no idea what I'm talking about, but I'll share my opinion on it anyway"

[@siddharthkrishna8463]

"Indians used to go by occupation like gardener or weaver before they were pitted against each other" That was caste. The caste system was based on hereditary occupation. She's saying that was more harmonious because people stayed out of each other's way

[@adrianthoroughgood1191]

"know your place, peasant!" "yes m'lord"

[@drakediller7321]

As an environment science major this hurt me to watch. Vaush understands a lot of the basic concepts but completely lacks the genetic, biological differences of selective breeding and gene augmentation.

[@stephenwegmann8375]

As an environmental science major, I give him a formal Pass. He's doing well enough insofar as plain speak for public.

[@drakediller7321]

@@stephenwegmann8375 For sure man

[@kianag6692]

I couldn't handle the bullshiat Vaush said during his stream... Especially his weird stance on GMO in agriculture... I think GMO hurts biodiversty in the longterm and only benefits big business agriculture companies that produce those seeds. It's unbelievable to me that someone really thinks humanity only can feed itself by fu*ing with the genetic codes of all eatable plants... As if humans can do better what evolution did over millions of years. We should preserve nature and all plants and animals (what's left of it) and not f*k it up even further.

[@grymhild]

GMOs are problematic for several reasons, not the least is are monopolies like Monsanto, but Roundup is also not good for people or the environment. Not all GMOs are the same, but selective breeding is not the same as genetic modification and should not be equivocated. Vaush you are smart enough to not paint yourself into this corner. Do research first. GMOs, especially where pesticide forming genes are inserted into the plant genome. I would rather have zero direct genetically modified plants if that stopped the plants with pesticide inserted. What's worse is that the enzymes that they use to insert the pesticide genes to change the plants, can survive and then have a crispr effect on gut biome and insert those same pesticide genes into the but bacteria.

[@gabrielsatter]

Drake... your overdoing things and very much missing the point.

[@dreadtrain2846]

Russell is insufferable.

[@SailorDoggo]

Agree

[@Ohhelmno]

“Food sovereignty” what is this lady talking about? None of us want to go back to farming all day just so that means corporations can’t have power. All of us want to be lazy and sit in our air conditioned homes and play video games and have our food and water and shit on demand, we just don’t want money and work to have to mean exploiting us into working 40+ hours a week in meaningless jobs just to survive.

[@greyghost3497]

I’ve got a younger brother like Russell. We refer to him as an “Askhole”. Always pretending to be asking questions, but never listening to where rationale thought should take him, instead preferring to think everything’s a conspiracy and the worlds trying to get him.