Vauxhall Vivaro/Renault, Nissan R9M timing chain replacement

[@mikehollowell2245]

Thoroughly enjoyed that Mel, used to rebuild diesel engines in Liverpool and go all over the country and Europe repairing and overhauling... I got out the game when I split up with the missus and now own a vivaro for my own little business now that I've seen how you did that I will have no questions now when I do mine... My van is a 57 plate 2.0 has covered 184000 currently... Same engine and box I bought from a family member wit 94000 on clock I service it every 4 to 5 months oil and filters wise and it never skips a beat... Still on original turbo too! Never gets abused daily commute from Liverpool into north Wales and back daily... Served me very well so far mate I can't complain. Keep up the content mate very helpful indeed. 👍

[@Maarzehh]

Fancy doing mine on my 1.6 I’m in Liverpool 😅

[@melsmotors]

Thanks for watching and commenting 👍🙂

[@melsmotors]

@@Maarzehh 😂 sadly no 👍

[@lenny2137]

Remove the 2 13mm headed bolts on the slam panel piece where the washer bottle neck is held on and them pop the headlight out makes the access 100 times better much easier for setting the timing tools for locking the cam gears

[@Dnserror88]

Synthwave music in the background, instant like

[@jameschippett2177]

Interesting video, and I would have thought a great thing to show your clients so they can understand the amount of time, work and knowledge that are required to get their vehicle on the road.

[@georgecroney6168]

It's not hard, if you know what you're doing, but it's crap. You can't charge what you should for doing it. No one wants to pay these days

[@richards4456]

Timing tools for this are MOT 1969 and MOT 1970. They must be used. Cam timing is out on this engine. Slot in the exhaust cam should be horizontal.

[@JJ-jc8yv]

What brand timing tool would you recommend? I have oil leak from timing cover and my traffic 2008 is on 130k miles without service history. Many mobile pros has rely long booking list and mine has quite bad oil leak so doing research on how to do chain replacement but finding timing tools are used even by mobile pros on these engines to time it then turn twice and see if the timing tool fits perfectly to confirm good timing. People feedback about lower mpg after timing done ( obviously right way ).

[@richards4456]

@@JJ-jc8yv I used an eBay kit on my 2.3 master which is the same tools as the 2.0 dci in your van. Different tools to the 1.6 in this video that I’ve listed above. The Renault workshop manual doesn’t actually say to turn the engine over and recheck timing. It is a good practice, however. Can only see lower mpg being from not using tools. Using the tools correctly and following the correct procedure, the timing cannot be wrong.

[@JJ-jc8yv]

@richards4456 I'm in same mind about mpg consumption, need timing tool to make sure it's 100% correct. I thought one tool does m9r, m9t and r9m engines but you have mentioned as 1.6 is different . I seen timing tools starting from as little as £35 quid on bebay but obviously not branded what's your thoughts on not branded tools. In past non branded tools served me well if taking care of. Sealey timing kit looks same but cost about £135 instead ;) Laser kit isn't cheap too.

[@Converter1959]

I thought the starter motor had to come out on this engine and the correct pins inserted to lock the crank otherwise the timing will be out.

[@linocascallar]

Excellent Video! Many thanks for taking time to record and share with us.

[@chrismedhurst-jackson3775]

Excellent video. I’m half way through the job but your video is making sure I don’t make any mistakes.

[@johnbutler3654]

i would not say that job was the hardest i ever seen and apart from getting the timing spot on the way you done it looks good if i do one i will take the water pump wheel of first thanks for the video great stuff

[@g.a.f3398]

Im an Agricultural mechanic Chains on cars might not stretch but chains on a forklift lifting masts do stretch as we have a stretch gauge for when we service the forklift to make sure its safe to use so i know it has nothing to do with timing chains but yes you can stretch a chain .

[@melsmotors]

@@g.a.f3398 thanks for the info, but they don't stretch on cars and bikes as the loads are a lot, lots less than the lifting force if a fork lift. Every day's a school day 😁

[@holdischbjorn7158]

I have 250 k with my Laguna 3 2.0 dci M9R engine without any noise, bought new and oil changes performed at 10-12k and only original filters, I want to specify that I have not changed anything on the engine, not even the accessory kit and the water pump.

[@stevenmckinlay4478]

My engine sounds like shit. And I've just done head gasket and new chain, tensioner etc. Now sounds like garbage

[@ane_8186]

i have same engine im my nissan qashqai from 2009., 150 hp, 280k, without any noise. never changed anything, only oil every 20k. should i change chain or wait for noise??

[@stevenmckinlay4478]

Wait for noise. I would. Imagine but 200k + then don't you think thing may start to wear out. Preventative maintenence.

[@phazernet9760]

I have the same car, with the same engine. Mine has 350.000 km and still runs well. The key to this is : quality fuel, and regular oil and filter changes (every 10.000km). I use the recomended Elf 900SXR 5W30 and Purflux filters. I've only had to change the main pulley twice, and the EGR valve. Other than that, the car is pretty much all original parts.

[@ane_8186]

@@phazernet9760 so you have never changed timing chain or clutch?? what about turbo, any sign of 'hole'? i have this issue and sometimes it looses power

[@AnthonyFlowers-r4p]

Great video very informative, think my chain may be excessively worn as getting alot of noise from that area and oil just running out. 350,000 miles

[@melsmotors]

Wow 350k, this just shows that the more you drive a vehicle the longer they last, the van in this video was less than 70k! Thanks for watching and commenting.

[@davejohnston5158]

Hi, this is a great guide for the job. I'm doing a chain replacement on a 175k Nissan Xtrail that broke its chain at 70mph and would be interested in how the crank /cams can be re-timed if no marks are present on the sprockets and the chain is off. Fingers crossed no valves are damaged - the cams/valve springs are not easy to view on this engine without a load of extra top end strip down.

[@melsmotors]

Hi Dave, sadly on this engine I didn't have any tech data for locking tools, hence the painted marks. At 70mph you would have almost certainly broke every cam rocker. I would be astonished it there was no engine damage, you may be lucky! I would remove the injectors and a carry out a cylinder leak test for bent valves. If they're bent, engine out, this is the easiest way to remove the head, not a driveway job! Good luck and fingers crossed. Thanks for watching and commenting 🙂🤞

[@statup2.0]

ive done an xtrail and was a nightmare, ended up taking the engine out

[@dsk-xx]

Which engine is it ? Old 2.2 diesel or the 2.0 renault one ?

[@MihaiBB]

Great video and great explanations. I think it was a hard work spending probably 5 hours on it. Really nice video! Aldo it looks good I'm confused why you did not used a chain locking kit for installing the new chain ? Very complicated and handy job and there's a high chance of damaging the whole timing without it. I noticed that the new camshaft sprocket wasn't lined up with that mark (the little camshaft sprocket hole should be at 12 o'clock and also use a permanent liner paint for marking it, so that the guys that will change that in the future should have a pro and easier job). The new chain (if it's OEM) has two special links (coloured kinda brown) that should be on top (12'o clock) on that camshaft sprocket and one special link (also brownish) so that link goes under the crankshaft sprocket at 6 o'clock. Are you guys upset with the Torque wrench? Haven't seen one bolt tightened while using it. (or mention the torque for special bolts)

[@melsmotors]

Thanks for your lengthy message. My videos are for entertainment only and not a guide for repair, I don't want to be liable for your mistakes, I never mention torque settings in my videos as they differ from vehicle to vehicle and I also don't waste time videoing me torquing up bolts as to appease people. There was also no data available for locking pins as shown in the video. Thanks again for watching and I look forward to watching some of your accurate videos. 🙂👍

[@gatisgraustins]

Even if you use chain locking kit, which actually locks only crankshaft and camshafts, you will need to install the camshaft chain sprocket yourself anyway, as you said hole to 12 o'clock, but there is no way to make sure it is exactly there.

[@nelly94713]

A timing tool should of been used for cams. Will find that it will be out slightly and will get worse

[@Cheeky-fingers]

Can't believe its only 66k. Mine is on 160k with no issues. The timing chain is inherently noisy at times on start up. Mine has done it from 55 miles delivery mileage on the clock. It is intermittent, and goes after.4 or 5 seconds of starting. It seems to be a characteristic of this engine.

[@mikefandango294]

Is it me? The timing was obviously correct but you put the new large sprocket back with the timing (mark) hole in the wrong place, so the next person doing this will mark up the timing up wrong? Enjoyed it though and was helpful.

[@melsmotors]

I would say it was you! 😉 This isn't a tutorial but a video for entertainment and for my customers to see what we do on their car, if you choose to follow it and it goes wrong I bear no responsibility. Thanks for watching and commenting 🙂👍

[@tam1381]

Nice video I have to say that the lack of timing marks on most engines these days is awful.

[@barmotorworx]

There's a proper locking kit for these engines. Timing marks would be useless as the exhaust cam pulley is floating. Needs to be timed up with the correct tool.

[@stephenpghopkin]

There was a timing mark on the top pulley but it was installed in the wrong position, a good quality chain kit will normally have marked links as well. As mentioned on other comments there is a locking pin for the crankshaft and a locking tool for the top pulleys!

[@adrianbantinesti9219]

The crank pulley have a specific position for . I mean rotate in some position? I changed the seal 2 times because bad seal...with first seal engine run perfect balanced but leak seal... second seal no leak but engine vibrates a little but annoying...

[@manzdoingbits766]

The gold links on chain are for timing marks

[@208d]

All that Silicone ? Does it not squash inwards and bits eventually brake off and it blocks an oil hole and theres your crank or a cylinder gone? Im super careful with excess silicone and usually the outer Edge . Great video thank you

[@melsmotors]

No different to factory silicone! You open up most engines and there's silicone over spill. Most sumps are now bonded on and when you remove them there's always silicone over spill. It usually stays where it sets. 👍

[@208d]

Ok good to know ill take note of that stuff your using , thank you, im going to look at a vivaro tomorrow 180k, ive always had older Vw's im wondering am i mad and these are soft ?

[@melsmotors]

@@208d TBF I wouldn't put my hand in my pocket and spend a penny on a German vehicle, I make a small fortune out of crappy German cars! Mercs, BM's Bentley's, Especially Audi's and VW's, the workshop's full of them. I have a 4 year old mercedes sprinter in the workshop for a failed driveshaft, I've had it in for almost 2 months, another month to go until I get one from Mercedes! 3 month back order for a poorly built drive shaft! No one else can get it either! 🤔

[@208d]

@@melsmotors I know id hate to be working on the newer stuff , its such rubbish, people think buying new will solve any headaches its a joke really, my neighbor has a crafter 3 yr old 160 km,he bought it brand new, rear crank seal leaking , oil pressure sensor gone and now its using water, dealer doesn't know whats wrong hes putting half a litre of water into it after 200km. As for main dealers half of them haven't a clue .

[@julianmorris9951]

Do you know the angle torque settings for the camshaft sprocket bolts and crank pulley or did you just wang them up?, I’m doing this job soon on my van so want to get it right🙏

[@melsmotors]

Hi Julian, Thanks for your message sadly I don't give out any torque settings on my videos as they vary from model to model

[@julianmorris9951]

@@melsmotors no problem, thank you for getting back to me so soon 👍

[@StevenSugref]

Great video thanks. I'm using it to check the timing on my Nissan X-Trail T31. Can I ask how you removed the waterpump pulley? I just had a look at mine and couldn't see a way to lock it to crack the bolts loose. Thanks.

[@melsmotors]

You usually loosen the bolts with the alternator belt still on, this way you're working against the compression of the engine without having to hold the pulley! Hope this helps 🙂👍

[@StevenSugref]

@melsmotors Thanks for the quick reply! I've already taken the belt off, I'll try holding it with an oil filter removal tool and see if that works :)

[@mrsweete9065]

Really good video, I liked the explanation of there not being a "stretched chain" and instead the links wear out giving the impression that it's stretched. The camshaft timing confused me though, on another video there seems to be markings on the sprockets, some even have one or more gold links on the chain which you then have to align up with the top and bottom sprockets. Whereas this relied on good old tipex, be fluffed if that rubbed off 😂 I'm glad you shown how to time both the top and bottom without the camshaft locking tool, unless you get one imported there's none in the UK I can find. Any reason you decided against the crankshaft/flywheel locking pin to keep the bottom in time? Also, with the gasket sealent I tend to find a lot of people stating you should tighten bolts just a tad and leave for around 24 hours for the sealent to fully dry and then Nip them upto torque specs, I was going to do that myself as the R9M is notorious for leaking on the front cover. Last but not least, was it not worth replacing the oil pump chain?

[@melsmotors]

Thanks for watching, unusually there were no timing tools recommended in my technical data for this engine, I do keep a lot of timing tools but I only needed one, Tipex! The pump chain didn't seem too bad, I guess only time will tell. I siliconed both faces saving me 24 hours, every mechanic will work in their own way and will have their own tricks and tips for repairing different jobs. Thanks for taking the time to leave a comment 👍😊

[@gunnermike76]

unfortunateley on that engine in the Video it's one of the recent R9M engines which doesn't have an oil pump cover any more, it's the whole sump that needs taking off to remove the oil pump and therefore change the pump chain = means removing the fxxxxxg gearbox ! :o My R9M engine is quite old, maybe yours too, we have a small oil pan you can easily remove and take out pump and then the chain, the chain kit only costs around 30 quid too (~25 euros) so yes I strongly recommend to change both. Also gives the sump a good inspection :) I changed my oil pump at the same time which was a bit of a waste of time as the old one didn't have much wrong with it, I thought it was the cause of strange noise sometimes, it just seems when the oil is very hot and I start the engine the tensionner drains itself so makes a big chain rattle for 2 secs. This was happening all the time before changing the chain, but now just occasionnaly.

[@adhamalfdany4613]

مرحبا هل اذا كان خطأ في سنتر التايم كيس له دخل بكهرباء الانجكتر بمعنى هل تقوم لوحة التحكم الالكترونية بقطع الكهرباء عن الانجكتر ..❤

[@colindouglas1354]

Hi great video. My timing chain was replaced. It is leaking a small bit if oil through the bolts on the engine mountain. Can you seal them without having to remove the timing chain cover?

[@melsmotors]

You should be able to!

[@colindouglas1354]

Would you take out bolts and seal round them?

[@melsmotors]

@@colindouglas1354 yes and silicone the engine mount as well, this is what I would do 👍

[@colindouglas1354]

Cheers. Thanks for the reply 👍

[@romancooper8525]

You need the locking tool for the cams.m to be perfect. The crank can be judged by eye if not but the kit it worth using. Can be done in 3 hours. I do loads. Good video though

[@sara78130]

Mark on chain too

[@BerryBuildingElectrical]

Heya, I’ve got a 2018 vivaro and I think my van has the same issue. Nearly at 100k miles. Definitely a rattle on idle but goes when you pick the revs up. My question is how much does it cost to do that work? Vauxhall won’t do the work on my van as they say it’s not necessary as the chain lasts a life time!

[@melsmotors]

Hi, chains don't last a lifetime! They just don't want to do it! This van was a late 2016 with around 70k miles. It's about 8 hours work, multiply that with a garages labour rate and about £300 or so in parts. Hope this helps 🙂

[@martinjones849]

I've done a couple of M9R chains Mel but always used cam locking tool obviously don't need to then

[@melsmotors]

Hi Martin, we always use timing tools but there wasn't a tool listing for this job, just showed how to line up the marks, very unusual but it worked and it's still driving without an issue 👍😊

[@MartynMorrison-ez2yn]

Is it possible to time these engines 180 degrees out using the timing tools? Mines now has no compression, where before timing was done it had compression, just wouldn’t fire up as timing had slipped

[@MartynMorrison-ez2yn]

@@melsmotors

[@rthompson938]

Benefit of timing chains though is that they don't need replacing as often as timing belts and chains rarely snap unlike belts.

[@melsmotors]

Thanks for commenting, but you are seriously misinformed!

[@lukeingham6817]

I noticed on the video you didnt use a crankshaft locking pin, is this necessary to use? Im doing my chain next week on my trafic and wondered if i would get away having to try and access the locking pin location and just use the camshaft sprocket locking tool.

[@melsmotors]

This is just one way of doing the job, if it's your first time, then use locking tools! Good luck 👍

[@fajoopsa]

Great video but it upset me you didn’t put the timing mark hole on the top pulley back in the correct spot. Ahhhhhhhhhhhh!!!

[@melsmotors]

Didn't mean to upset you!

[@marianmarian1821]

Hello, could you please send me a manual showing the necessary steps to change the timing chain on the 1.6 dCi engine? Thank you very much.

[@melsmotors]

Sadly no, Our manuals are all on subscription with login details. Unfortunately I won't be sharing those! 👍

[@unochesia]

Do I need to remove the engine to replace the oil pump?

[@vulpoiuraul6729]

I have a 2015 renault master 2.3 dci 136. I need to change the timing chain. Please advice, is it the same design and work steps as in your video?

[@melsmotors]

Hi, it will be different as it's a different engine all together. Check your tech data or speak to your local garage!

[@vulpoiuraul6729]

@@melsmotors i repair my own vans. I have transit, crafter and this master, i did the timing and all on the other ones with no issues but till now i simply couldnt find any tech data/info on this engine model

[@gameguru3112]

Great video! Any reason not to change the lower chain that goes into the sump? Does it not wear out at all? Cheers!

[@melsmotors]

It can wear for sure but this van had done 66k and it wasn't part of the quote!

[@gameguru3112]

@@melsmotors Ah, thought so! Shame you didn't get the service on that too as they may as well change it while that far in. Good educational video though once again!

[@linus5699]

In the end of the video. It seems the engine is running anticlockwise. Is this an illusion. You states in the beginning to turn it clockwise ( with the spanner)

[@janpalmer3025]

could a worn timing chain cause my RPM needle to slightly go up and down at idle, and car vibrates at higher speeds, what a cool video, thanks so much.

[@melsmotors]

Not normally no! 👍

[@janpalmer3025]

Thanks

[@thomasdentith-barnard418]

Great video very informative! I've bought a febi chain kit for my 2017 trafic, but seen it doesn't come with New bolts for the tensioner or guides. I'm assuming the bolts can be reused and aren't stretch bolts? Also if you've got the torque specs for the bolts that would be great! Thanks

[@melsmotors]

You can reuse the nuts and bolts, sadly I don't give out any torque settings because they're different on all vehicles. All my tech data is via registration numbers, so it's accurate to that car! 👍

[@thomasdentith-barnard418]

Thanks for the speedy reply pal! I'll be getting a workshop manual in that case. Have you ever replaced a steering rack on one of the mk3 trafics? Struggling to workout if the racks are interchangeable between years

[@melsmotors]

@@thomasdentith-barnard418 nothing is interchangeable on a Renault, even on the same year, Renaults are a pain in the backside!

[@antonybrown3318]

Many thanks your video is first class thank you for taking the time to show people how it's done thanks again Tony😊

[@erdemir5641]

How did you know it was 180 degrees out? Any ideas if a 1.9 2004 vivaro camshaft can be 180 degrees out? I've been told no. I will be doing the belt tomorrow

[@melsmotors]

It's kinda my job to know what's right and wrong! 😁 All camshafts can be 180 out as the crank has to turn twice for the cam to turn once!

[@ianaristotlethompson4186]

Great video. Appreciate your input for us part time mechanics.

[@melsmotors]

Thanks for watching and commenting 😊👍

[@relaxnheal8640]

Hi is this something that needs done or would you hear it I just bought a high mileage one and was told the chain was done but only have his word silly I know or is there a way I could check even thanks

[@clandestinocubano5338]

hi, thanks for sharing your wisdom, one question, what kind of silicone would you recommend for the timing cover gasket? any brand or reference to be preferred Thank you

[@melsmotors]

Sorry for the late reply, I use plumbaflue silicone, handles heat up to 300c never had an issue using it

[@for_os]

Is it safe to rise a car when engine mounting is removed?

[@melsmotors]

It can be as the lower mount is still attached 👍

[@antonybrown3318]

Hi Mel what make is the impact wrench that removed the crank bolt thanks Tony

[@stefanmil4ev]

Hi! М How many miles is necessary to get before replace the timing chain?

[@melsmotors]

Hi, you don't replace the chain by time, they are replaced usually when they're noisy!

[@simonwhittaker1483]

Just finished watching.. great video..just wondering Mel, you said you do a few of these...how many kilometres until they need replacing? I have a 2017 Renault trafic just ticked over 90,000 klms .... cheers Simon from 🇦🇺

[@melsmotors]

Hi Simon, this particular vehicle had around 60k miles on it, about 90000km, you'd only change it if it's noisy, you will usually hear a loud rattle from start up, now that noise may or may not quieten down. Your mechanic should be able to tell just by listening to it. Thanks for watching and commenting 🙂👍

[@hillsy8633]

Did the engine run tidy after? The exhaust cam looked miles out?

[@melsmotors]

Yes it did and it's been back since for regular servicing

[@julianmorris9951]

Did this job today on my van, did you mean that the little hole on the sprocket didn’t line up with the paint mark? I think that hole is just for reference maybe 🤔 I made sure it lined up on mine today, don’t know if it matters though 🤔

[@tambradford3690]

when you timed the engine up the top sprocket had a hole marked with tipex at almost 12oclock , when you fitted chain and checked marks the hole in sprocket was at 4oclock ish ?

[@melsmotors]

Hi Tam, did you hear the engine run at the end of the video? Then the timing was right. My videos are not tutorials but for entertainment, please don't copy what I do, it took me 32 years to get where I am, 20 minute videos won't make anyone an expert in timing chain replacement. Thanks for watching and commenting 😊😊

[@georgecroney6168]

It's impossible to get wrong. The exhaust and intake cam sprockets are geared together and they can't be out because he never touched the gears. They don't even recommend a cam locking tool for this engine as it would be completely pointless, for this reason. I didn't see a single thing wrong with what he did and I work on a fleet of these horrible tin can vans. Brilliant for the price you pay for them but far from brilliant by any other metric.

[@stevenf3098]

good video. Just a extra bit of advice though. Always turn the engine a least 2 revolutions by hand before starting it. that way you will detect any valve to piston contact in case you've made a mistake. otherwise just using the key will bend valves.

[@georgecroney6168]

He did

[@motorsus9974]

Can you change the crankshaft seal without removing the front cover?

[@melsmotors]

I believe you can

[@bradleymotorsport]

Good vid, do you have a recommendation on mileage for changing these? Thanks

[@melsmotors]

Just when they get noisy, this one was about 60k miles. Thanks for watching

[@theinstallerguy786]

Does it need to be done if you’re changing the oil every year or are these prone to stretching?

[@melsmotors]

Hi, this engine was noisy, it was rattling, I couldn't get the noise on camera as diesel engine are so noisy by themselves. ONLY change the chain if it's noisy. Chains don't stretch as shown in the video, they wear out giving the illusion of stretching. Thanks for watching and commenting. 🙂👍

[@zarok5943]

Hello thank you for this video, can you give me the tightening torques for the camshaft pinion thank you

[@melsmotors]

Hi thanks for watching but I don't give any torque settings in any of my videos as all vehicles are different, and all have different torque settings. You'll need to find out the correct settings for your car 👍

[@leefenton3638]

Great video. Just done my m9t 2.3 Renault master which is a very similar job, my new chain sounds just as bad as my old one 😩

[@melsmotors]

Thanks for watching and sorry to hear that you're still having issues, not a nice job to do twice 🥹😔

[@iaino45]

Did you resolve your issue? I'm having similar troubles. Might it be oil pump chain or maybe dual mass flywheel?

[@melsmotors]

@@iaino45 sadly I can't confirm your issues from afar, speak to your local friendly mechanic. Thanks for watching 👍🙂

[@gunnermike76]

great video, would never dare risking without the cam timing tool however, I recommend it to assure the camshafts are lined proberly ;) The OEM's recommend to take the engine out, they're wrong I've seen many do this job in the car haha. I changed mine with just 80 000kms on it, how many did this one ? I'm guessing about 100k miles by the look of it. Mine has now near 170 000 km, but sometimes starting to rattle again, I'd suggest every 200 000kms at most we should change this chain if we don't want noises, saying that some are noisy some aren't... (listened to loads of these R9M engines...)

[@melsmotors]

This had around 60,000 miles, 100,000km. My tech data didn't show timing tools which was surprising, it just showed marks as I showed in the video! Thanks for watching and commenting 👍😊

[@lawrencecrowe1214]

Really good, informative video. What was the mileage of the van, there seems to be so much conflicting information as to when the chains need replacement.?

[@melsmotors]

Hi Lawrence, the mileage on this van was around 65k miles. You replace the chain when it's noisy, there is no interval usually, some manufacturers have recommended intervals and there's further information within the dealer network as they have recommendations through their TSB (technical support bulletins) BMW's 125-150k miles, Ford 1.8D 125k miles. This isn't information you could readily get. Most of the info you find on Google and like are out of date and recommendations change frequently. Most reputable garages subscribe to up to date technical data, we have subscriptions inside and outside of the dealer network. We spend £1000's per year on tech data, diagnostic updates and diagnostic tools, also on technical training so that we don't get left behind. Thank for your comment and thanks for watching 😊👍

[@lawrencecrowe1214]

@@melsmotors Thanks for the information. Mine has done 115k with no sign of a chain replacement from the previous company owner. I'll have to keep an ear on it!

[@georgecroney6168]

@@lawrencecrowe1214 theres no recommendation, we've got vans on 180k with no issues and I've seen ones 3 months old go bang. Every vehicle is it's own story

[@lawrencecrowe1214]

@@georgecroney6168 Thanks. I have had mine done now. At 115k the chain still had plenty of life in it but I'm glad I got it changed.

[@codrin.andronic]

Why didn't you also change the oil pump chain and sprocket?

[@kepmagu4ej863]

Usually the sproket drown in oil wears less;)

[@Maciej-McOst-RICH]

wear causes slack, which causes the chain to lengthen, so the chain stretches

[@melsmotors]

The chain doesn't stretch my friend, it's made of steel, the links wear out giving the illusion of stretching! 👍

[@armandobasic1507]

I changed the timing chain on my 1.6 dci on Megane 2014 at 150k km because it was rattling during cold starts. However, the new chain also rattles, and at times, I even need to turn off the engine and restart it to eliminate the rattling sound. Have you encountered a similar case before? Should I consider changing the oil pump as well?

[@melsmotors]

Hi, changing an oil pump is a bit drastic! You can't just change something as expensive and as reliable as an oil pump! Don't get me wrong, pumps can pack up. But have you done any kind of checks? at least an oil pressure test? You can't see what an oil pump does so you'll require a gauge.

[@armandobasic1507]

@@melsmotors I will talk to my mechanic who changed the timing chain, I don't know what the problem is and what to do now... The noise lasts 10-15 seconds on start and sometimes doesn't even stop so I need to turn off the engine and start it again

[@melsmotors]

@@armandobasic1507 sadly I don't know, if I could fix cars from afar I'd be a millionaire and work from home like these IT guys 😂 Are you sure it's not a chattering dual mass flywheel? These usually stop making the noise after the 2nd start! Get your mechanic to have another look at it👍

[@jazharris8987]

Evening great video. Would you know if this engine is fitted in the Merc Vito w447? I have read its the same engine?

[@melsmotors]

Hi Jaz, possibly the same engine as Mercedes seem to be using a lot of Renault engines in their A and B class cars including the small van that they make. Thanks for watching 👍🙂

[@georgecroney6168]

Check what's written on the timing cover

[@JJ-jc8yv]

Search, Google search says w447 uesd 1.6 diesels which are same as this.

[@takuzdost]

Any idea how much is cost to let chain replace?

[@Emtbwebb]

My Vauxhall main dealer told me they never need replacing 😮 i got vauxhall vivaro 2016 and 100k on clock

[@melsmotors]

Did you watch the whole video? They definitely do wear out! After about 3 to 4 years of servicing the dealers don't see them again, most van drivers go elsewhere after the warranty period is over! 👍🙂

[@simonbone]

The Nissan/Renault documentation for the Qashqai with the identical R9M engine says the chain should be replaced at 300,000 km.

[@2madita]

Can someone please tell me when the timing chain needs to be changed? is there an interval?

[@melsmotors]

@@2madita there is no replacement interval for a timing chain, you'd only charge the chain if noisy. If it rattles when it start it from cold and then the noise disappears after a few seconds, then that's an early sign that it's time for a change 👍

[@shaneh5568]

Good job how long does it take for a mechanic to replace the timing chain as I’m getting mine done Monday week

[@melsmotors]

Hi Shane, the book time for this job is 6.7 hours, that doesn't take into account oil and filter change and cleaning the old silicone sealant. This job was charged out at 7.5 hours plus parts. I hope this helps. Thanks for watching 👍🙂

[@shaneh5568]

@@melsmotors thanks for reply

[@scrimitt]

fantastic video, i guess its a two day job for a mechanic. really insightful video, thanks for uploading it.

[@melsmotors]

It's around 6 to 8 hours work 👍🙂

[@zolotoi1980]

15:12 почему сразу и на маслонасос цепь не поменял?

[@borislavandonov2893]

Great video a little bit more info about checking it was fit correctly ,but probably will found out soon is enough or no. Also if you have chance to create video how to replace seams valve for the some model vivaro it will be great.

[@roulettered56]

Is the R9M completely different to the M9R on a 2.0 Vivaro/Renault??

[@melsmotors]

Hi, both engine are very similar, as always follow manufacturers instructions or get professional advice. My video is not a tutorial videos but purely for entertainment. I do these videos so my customers can see what we've done on their vehicles with interest. Thanks for watching 🙂👍

[@roulettered56]

@@melsmotors Thank you!

[@mindiawl]

What was the milage on that van please? Great video

[@melsmotors]

Hi, from memory I think around 65,000 miles

[@mindiawl]

@@melsmotors Seriously with teeth like that on the sprocket? Mines at 167k probably has no teeth left 😀

[@michaelfraser5723]

There's another chain and sprocket to fix, behind the main one

[@davidhearne2990]

maybe you should share the fact that you forgot to mention the bolt holding the timing cover in the center. would be much more helpful than editing out that part. Thanks anyway !

[@208d]

Do you recommend an aftermarket kit Or Genuine only ?

[@melsmotors]

A genuine or good after market part, dealers don't make chains, they buy them in from chain and sprocket makers!

[@208d]

​@@melsmotorsas with most parts they stick their names on them and triple the price , ive heard the chain is made by jwis but not sure on the sprocket's, surely an Ina kit would be ok ?

[@melsmotors]

@@208d Ina, FAI, or similar would be fine

[@208d]

@@melsmotors thank you! thats what i was thinking 😊 fairplay to you . These videos are so helpful!

[@1family473]

Genuine only

[@eddydar]

Try this on the same engine in the cars.

[@christopheg.4935]

Bravo , beau travail.👍 Merci pour la vidéo. 👍👍👍👍

[@Richard-ps7ht]

Good job. Roughly how long does it take to do?

[@melsmotors]

The job is around 7.5 hours. Thanks for watching 👍👍😊😊

[@Richard-ps7ht]

@@melsmotors thank you. I got one to do. 👍

[@melsmotors]

@@Richard-ps7ht good luck. 👍

[@fpvmonkey-uk7425]

Is that the 1.6diesel engine that you did this video on?

[@simonbone]

Yes, the R9M.

[@copper9head]

​@simonbone how can I determine if my 1.6 is a R9M please?

[@colinblythe3710]

Do you not do the oil pump chain at the same time ??

[@melsmotors]

Not always, this car has done just over 60k miles and the chain wasn't part of estimated repair!

[@colinblythe3710]

@@melsmotorsOk Thank you

[@bobchau8905]

Good job but I’m not happy with timing you need have tools for this job customer pay good money.

[@Dia_dhuit]

great video shame about the bloody music why do people do this its so bloody loud

[@melsmotors]

Thanks for watching and putting up with it, thankfully most devices have a volume switch 😉👍

[@Dia_dhuit]

@@melsmotors yes😅 and thank god my volume switches work perfectly😅 so anywayz I know the music is dialled down when u talk but when you stop talking and it go's crazy loud it ruins the viewing experience coz iv to keep turning the volume up and down 😮‍💨

[@johncassels-y7f]

How come when b3fore you tool top big sprocket off there was a small hole and this lined up but when new sprocket put in there's no hole line up and timing marks not there and your going off small sprocket marks? Why is top sprocket not lined up as old one was?

[@Сивен]

Браво, чудесно свършена работа!

[@melsmotors]

Благодаря за гледането и коментара

[@Venom.427]

Great Video !! Chains definitely stretch

[@gjh1969ify]

Great video and now subscribed. Keep up the good work. 👍

[@craigwilson5573]

No timing tools were hurt or even used in this video 🤣🤣😱😱

[@melsmotors]

@@craigwilson5573 and that's skill 👍😊

[@TheMattyholt]

​@melsmotors to be fair your experience has shown here without the need for special tools. I've been doing job 20year but always use timing tools to cover my arse👍

[@anthonyoconnell9389]

Great job where are you based

[@melsmotors]

I'm based in Bracknell RG121RL

[@omarsibaayie3551]

How much would you charge me?

[@taz8436]

great video excellent detail thank you for sharing your hard work

[@Marti-dw9xt]

Hi where are u based

[@melsmotors]

Based in Bracknell Berkshire

[@Marti-dw9xt]

​@@melsmotors Question why was the timing 180 degrees out ? If you haven't moved anything (sorry not that knowledgeable) Thanks in advance

[@melsmotors]

@@Marti-dw9xt It's a 4 stroke engine, the crank has to rotate twice for the cams to turn once, it was a 180 degrees out because the crank had only turned once!

[@jameskilboyle2997]

Incorrect way u must use timing tools exashust cam can move inside gear once the three bolts are slackened and u will have noisy engine afterwards plus new cover or it will leak

[@JJ-jc8yv]

He's marked intake shaft so if exhaust would move then intake would move. As long as crank shaft is in right position and intake then no tools needed but not a bad thing to put a tool on and check if it's corect. By the way if you going to use a tool then it comes with crank shaft lock pin.

[@jameskilboyle2997]

Not so look at the slot on exhaust cam it should be horizontal and is not moving when u turn inlet cam with the 3 bolts slack so there fore actual exhaust cam timing is off

[@CARaCARtal99]

Interesting video. I would to change the crankshaft pulley but how tight should i need the bolt? Thank you

[@georgecroney6168]

Depends what engine you've got. Really doesn't matter that much either way. Specs are something like 90 Nm +50° or 130Nm + 50° for a biturbo. Either way, as tight as you can by hand it's not critical. It's a 12pt 21mm bolt into a steel shaft so to break it you'd have to weigh a ton. Specs are from rough memory it's a dead easy job to swap a pulley

[@taz8436]

great video thanks for sharing your hard work

[@debodevil6974]

Hoe many hours price does an average garage charge for a job like this mate?

[@melsmotors]

Every garage has different labour rate, it's around a 7 hour job plus parts

[@omarsibaayie3551]

Where are you located? I’m looking to do my one soon.

[@melsmotors]

I'm in Bracknell, Berkshire

[@omarsibaayie3551]

What’s your contact number brother please

[@novakvujovic3120]

Great job 👏👏👏👏

[@samankorala1371]

grazie

[@Abdula-e3g]

Не хотелось бы попасть к таким "специалистам" ,которые угробят ваш мотор,выставляя фазы на глаз. Надо быть слепым, чтобы не видеть,что выпускной распредвал стоит не правильно. Для этого есть спец инструмент,такой как mot 1969 и mot 1970.

[@Azzdude]

There's like 5 mins of dead video at the end btw. Otherwise a good video

[@melsmotors]

Hi, thanks for the update, not sure how that happened! Thanks for watching 👍

[@RavinderSingh-g8i]

It was going great until he installed the new timing chain kit and screwed it up. Incorrectly installed. Copper parts should be alligned on the timing marks.

[@melsmotors]

Screwed what up? When you're a professional you don't need to line up the copper coloured links, that's what the timing marks are for! There's loads of timing chain engines without copper links, how are they done and timed? You use the timing marks or timing tools! You did hear the engine start and run in the end right? and it's been back for 2 services since without an issue. This isn't a tutorial on how to change your timing chain, it's for entertainment! If you need to watch a video on how to do a 7.5 hour job like this, then this job isn't for you, it's for a mechanic. Another keyboard warrior who needs to run down someone's video and add his useless 2 pence worth!!!!

[@TM-tz1nx]

👍👍👍

[@antoniocarlostamiro9932]

Massa 👏

[@turektomasz]

All this work and you didn't change oil pump and chain which is obviously worn on your video and probably making noise on start up. Why you don't invest money in timing tools and do the job properly?

[@melsmotors]

Hi Tom, thanks for watching and commenting, the van had only only done 60k, and it wasn't as bad as you think so I left it. I showed you in the video that the tech data was showing timing marks and no timing tools for this engine. I have plenty of timing tools! 🙂👍