Vegan diets don't work. Here's why

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00:00 - Why do people get crooked teeth?
1:10 - Why do 84% of vegans quit veganism?
2:13 - Humans’ shrinking skulls
5:16 - So why can’t we replace Meat?
9:00 - Does veganism harm gut health?
14:34 - What is humans’ default diet?
19:45 - Are Humans going to end up like the cats?
26:14 - Science can save us from having to eat meat, right?
30:45 - Vegans eat more processed food. Why that’s a problem
34:37 - Is Veganism bad for kids?
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[@WhatIveLearned]

Go to DrinkLMNT.com/WhatIveLearned to get a free sampler pack with any purchase! I noticed a couple comments already from people who tried a vegan diet for several years but had to quit. Feel free to comment your story here if you have one! Edit: Some people on the internet accused me of lying about B12. See this post for my response: josepheverettwil.substack.com/p/was-i-wrong-about-vegans-and-b12

[@IrrationalDelusion]

Stevia + chemicals added. Not worthwhile.

[@4m0d]

You have put unnecessary time for crooked teeth in this video, the question is not of refined foods, its about veganism, you still need to chew vegan foods, many times more than you would chew meat . You also didn't link your sources, it is possible that the paper funding has conflict of interest with the research.

[@cozypadd]

I think this is all very controversial. Missing sources is a huge mistake in my opinion. Anyone that wants to be educated by this has no option but to take your word for what you're saying. Please post your sources

[@Curlyfries237]

@@4m0d yeah, It was a lot about process stuff

[@tinknal6449]

I am so happy more mainstream sources are reporting on the lies of the animal rights industry!

[@Hazzard0]

Fun fact: in Switzerland it is illegal to call anythig milk except whole milk. Not even skimmed milk qualifies as milk.

[@flameguy3416]

Is unpasteurised milk legal?

[@Martin-zx5gk]

Same in many other countries in EU

[@IrrationalDelusion]

Meanwhile third world countries: 😑

[@julianfbeck]

nice

[@chuck1804]

What do they call skim milk then?

[@Imanfly]

This video feels less a criticism of veganism and more so a criticism of overly processed foods

[@arcturus4762]

Modern veganism is highly dependent on processed food. Plus, it gets clicks

[@ab-td7gq]

@@arcturus4762 You can but don't have to eat processed foods on a vegan diet.

[@evolution__snow6784]

​@J. Carlos Diaz H. No they don't lol, making up the boogeyman are we?

[@arcturus4762]

@@evolution__snow6784 Ah, yes, the "making up a boogeyman fallacy" fallacy

[@alison9189]

​​@@Carloscongaprocessed food is not inherent in veganism. Veganism is not a diet. Stop spreading lies.

[@pleaserespond3984]

There's a reason they're called "supplements" and not "replacements". It really is astounding that humans can eat so many varied foods compared to other organisms.

[@hektor6766]

No need to supplement if you are already eating the right foods in the first place. That Fruits & Veggies quack won't get a dime from me. And I don't need to shoot up with Ozempic either.

[@Thelordofdawgtown]

💪🏽

[@VladTepes-SaviorofEurope-mw4uy]

Most "herbivores" also eat bugs, carcasses etc...

[@JT-rb9wf]

@@VladTepes-SaviorofEurope-mw4uy exactly

[@hongsonnguyen8204]

@@VladTepes-SaviorofEurope-mw4uy if given a chance most animals would choose meat

[@jamesh1866]

Regarding the jaw development, you missed a very important aspect. People need to use their teeth to chew tough foods to develop their jaws properly. So one of the big issues with processed food us that it is so soft.

[@Yellowstone300]

Source?

[@Kapuchinik]

@@Yellowstone300 native tribes have spotless white teeth because the eat a lot of "raw" food.

[@Celatra]

lets not pretend that animal derived foods are not processed

[@recarsion]

My grandparents used to make me chew on breadcrust and other tough stuff as a kid, because they said that's how my teeth will get strong. I always though it was cute but more or less a baseless superstition, but it turns out they were probably completely right.

[@meggi8048]

guess what, processed animal foods arent healthy either@@Celatra

[@midi510]

I'm really surprised that while talking about narrowing palettes and the problems with teeth, you didn't mention that eating processed foods eliminates the chewing required for traditional unprocessed foods. Chewing is really important for proper facial development and nasal breathing, which can alleviate sleep apnea.

[@sollustyavin]

He talks about that in another video...

[@calamityjean1525]

Maybe chewing gum should be encouraged for children in school.

[@bayek9869]

@@calamityjean1525 That’s what I unknowingly did growing up because of anxiety. Now I have a great jawline. But sugar free gum should be recommended.

[@steveg2479]

Chewing your food is an important part of the digestive process. Chewing and saliva is the first part of the process.

[@bloozism]

I find that fat people have sleep apnea, not people who don’t chew enough

[@evensgrey]

There was once a study done where children were allowed to choose whatever they wanted from a rather broad diet. They found unusual combinations like liver and orange juice for breakfast, and one child began to drink cod liver oil as a beverage. When they evaluated the actual nutrient value of what the children were eating, they discovered that the children were seeking foods that provided the exact nutrients they needed, and appeared to find the right foods mostly by taste. Unfortunately, this probably wouldn't work now. The study was done in the 1930's, before the rise of synthetic flavorings allowed us to make anything taste like anything.

[@watsonwrote]

This was absolutely how I ate in college. I would buy a lot of whole foods (lots of different nuts, vegetables, fruits, grains, beans, and proteins like yogurt and eggs) and for every meal I would look around at my options and pick whatever called to me and eat them together. Almost nothing I ate even remotely resembled dishes that had names, and when something did I was surprised and would laugh about it. We're talking about eclectic mixtures of vegetables served with peanut + sunflower butter and yogurt and a side of blackberries. Apples boiled in a soup with rockfish, carrots, and sweet potatoes. I normally didn't add additional flavors or sauces -- just ate them as they were. They became surprisingly tasty and was in the best health of my life, I'd say. It's a matter of buying things that haven't yet been processed or changed with additives. Something I miss dearly were the peanut and almond grinding machines that were common in grocery stores back home -- processed peanut butter and fresh ground plain peanuts are literally different foods and their tastiness is night and day. Frozen vegetables are my favorite because they're just regular vegetables that have been preserved in the best way for nutrition. Rice, oats, nuts, and beans can be purchased for cheap without additives. Whole fruits and eggs also don't have additives. The most processed thing I'd eat was plain full-fat greek yogurt, but fermented foods are a type of processing that improves nutrition, so yogurt, kimchee, sauerkraut, and kefir have health benefits and shouldn't be loaded with sugar. Meats, especially organ meats, are healthy in moderation and can be easily bought without breading or added sugar (I was eating beef liver for a bit when I was really putting in extra miles every day -- just didn't question what I was craving at that point lol) I'm working on going back to this diet because I've gotten spoiled with a more "normal" lifestyle (now that I can afford it) and social eating is part of my life now, but my health isn't as great. (I have an autoimmune disease so it makes a difference how healthy I am -- my quality of life improves dramatically the better shape I'm in.)

[@adventurer3288]

@@watsonwrote My man's not a witch doctor, he's a witch cook 😂

[@bigglyguy8429]

And everyone knows that children hate vegetables, which is rather telling...

[@bigglyguy8429]

@@Mapleboi404 I'm not American. From the UK, left at 39 and spent the last 18 years travelling Asia. And yeah, you have to coax kids to eat vegetables. You don't need to coax them to eat burgers or sausages.

[@Emppu_T.]

Is it like when sometimes i might get a craving for olives or pineapple out of the blue, suddenly i want a can of sardines and then fried mushrooms. Curious

[@tainadeoliveira]

I took double dose of pre-natal supplements during pregnancy (doctor's recommendation) but I still had too low levels of iron, thus anemia for almost a year. I had postpartum hemorrhage and had to take stronger iron supplements both for me and my baby for two months after birth. The issue was probably that I had no money to afford a whole diet. I got pregnant unexpectedly during a financial crisis. While I ate iron- rich foods when I could, it wasn't enough and my diet probably lacked other nutrients. I also didn't get enough vitamin D and I was so exhausted all the time I only got out and exercised when I had to do the prenatal check up and exams. Moral of the story, humans aren't supposed to live off supplementary pills.

[@williamevans6522]

LIVER! Red meat@ IRON rich food.calm

[@redviking2086]

Congratulations for carrying out the baby to terms instead of aborting him/her. Most women in your situation would have killed them, yet you carried out your duty as a mother and respected their life,d espite all the complications you mention. We need more women like you.

[@teresaellis7062]

Dang, I feel you! Financial difficulties make everything harder. I am glad that you and the baby pulled through! I hope you all are doing better now. I don't know if you have it in your area, but my sister-in-law used WIC during her pregnancy for a while after. It is a government program in the United States. "The Special Supplemental Nutrition Program for Women, Infants, and Children (WIC) provides federal grants to states for supplemental foods, health care referrals, and nutrition education for low-income pregnant, breastfeeding, and non-breastfeeding postpartum women, and to infants and children up to age 5 who are found to be at nutritional risk."

[@adegirly]

"Moral of the story, humans aren't supposed to live off supplementary pills." I agree!

[@wolfcat87]

Could be heavy periods or you could be a carrier for a blood disease as well. Only iron supplements will fix that. No amount of food will. I say this as someone with heavy periods, sickle cell trait, and who's gone to a blood specialist doctor in the U.S. My best friend has heavy periods and no blood disease and still has to get iron transfusions.

[@marylclc1269]

There is also a connection between issues with the dental arch, crooked teeth and having not been breastfed. Breastfeeding uses many more muscles in the mouth, jaw and face than bottle feeding. Breastfeeding appears to help the mouth, jaw and face develop properly. In many studies bottle feeding was correlated with issues with the development dental arch, crooked teeth, etc. So in addition to highly processed food for older children and adults causing serious issues, highly processed food and "highly processed" feeding methods (using an easy to suck latex or silicone bottle nipple rather than a difficult, muscle developing breast to milk nutrients from) for infants may contribute to mouth and facial development. (Yes, I am well aware *some women can't breastfeed* I'm an IBCLC (lactation consultant) but just because some aren't doing or can't do something doesn't mean that something isn't still the the most healthy thing.)

[@ChRW123]

Yes, I heard that, too. This video focuses way too much on meat vs vegan.

[@adegirly]

me too, heard that once. Thank you for remind us with that basic... can you give us the actual studies related to that please?

[@davidinmossy]

Do you think it would be better to feed a baby with a silicon breast type device with a valve type nipple compared to a bottle ? Do such devices exist do you know ?

[@adegirly]

hey Mary, thank you for ur answer, u have helped me more than you could imagine! Be blessed!

[@ant713m]

So true. I have a normal jaw. Never needed braces, all my teeth are straight and strong. Same for my sibling. We were breast fed to at least 2yrs. Food was always home cooked indian traditional food (not what you buy in restaurants- thats unhealthy junk)..ate, Fish, Meat , Eggs, vegetables and rice. No sweets and junk food.

[@VOLightPortal]

As for the cat study investigating raw meat vs cooked meat, it was eventually found that the cooking method reduced the taurine content in the meat, which was the cause of the observed health effects on the deformed cats. Nowadays either the taurine is added back to the meat as with commercial cat food, or it is cooked in a way where taurine doesn't leach out (taurine isn't destroyed by heat, but it is water soluble). Grilling or baking meat may preserve the taurine content versus boiling.

[@luoku777]

Thanx, needed further clarification on that point 💪🏻

[@siddhantbhagat7216]

we want more of this kind of research try to make a video on it.

[@ruaridh6744]

Does that mean that consuming the water that the meat is boiled in would still allow for taurine consumption?

[@murrayobrien9192]

Excellent point. Thanks for that!

[@TITTYtoucher2000]

Super interesting, thank you for that. On a side note, who the f*ck boils their meat haha

[@CARATMom]

You can do a video on just margarine alone as an example of the power of marketing. Because they really had us thinking a solid chemical oil dyed yellow was healthy

[@LucasTigy2]

i think they bring it up in some of the other videos on the channel

[@Screenwriting]

Look what they're trying to do with mRNA

[@HonerableG]

I think it was this channel or future proof that did a video on crisco

[@bigtee2000]

It is fine though, so ?

[@MK_ULTRA420]

@@bigtee2000 It's not fine, it's industrial grease that was used as butter during the World Wars.

[@markfisher2683]

No conversation about the sponsorship/funding of the studies quoted? Who’s paying for these various studies, and which corporations are benefiting?

[@trentgrigsby333]

How about you do the research on that and let us know since you're so skeptical??

[@TheAvos18]

Whos paying is a legit question... Who is benefitting (without paying) isnt

[@balduccirichard]

@@trentgrigsby333 Isn't being skeptical the whole point of the video?

[@scubasteve6175]

@@trentgrigsby333 dude this isn't being skeptical this is literally how you should think immediately about most scientific data online. there's plenty of research and findings out there solely funded to benefit a corporation or group of corporation's profits. ever watched kurzgesagt?

[@ComputeCrashers]

I wonder what effect mass farming of animals in small enclosures to fatten them up has had on the healthiness of meat, assuming that animals farmed this way have more fat than wild animals

[@lesliekilgore648]

no effect at all. and as always depending on the breed and geographical location of the cattle and exactly what they are being fed in the enclosure. as well as what they eat 'in the wild'. frankly all you have to do is do a necropsy (a post mortem examination by a medical professional on an animal isn't called an autopsy for some medical jargon reason) on any 'feeder cattle' as the industry in the USA calls em or 'feed lot cattle'. then compare those findings to the classical 'home home on the range' cattle that wander thousands of miles every year looking for natural forage in the wild. the only differences you will find? range cattle have denser and therefore TOUGHER muscles due to a lifelong environment wandering free vs feeder cattle have less tough (more tender) and less developed muscles due to being 'fat lazy cows'... which yes is the source of the insult for people who sit around doing nothing all day, you're being called a feed lot cow. the feeder cattle have a gentle and quiet lifespan which is significantly shorter than their range cattle cousins. it doesn't take as long to feed a cow in a pen and get it to 'market weight and age' vs a range cow takes upwards of twice as long to gain the same muscle mass and body weight. the range cattle must move great distances to find forage and water and possible shelter from inclement weather. depending on where in the world is Carmen Sandeigo (the cow) bears, wolves, mountain lions, coyotes, African lions, leopards, cheeta, tigers, and other predators may kill and eat the range cattle. not a lot of predators will approach a cattle farm, due to farmers shooting said predators, traps, poisons, and big tall fences sometimes electrified. also all that is depending on where the cow lives. more than one head of cattle is lost yearly to Africa's wildlife and accidents. also, the myth about 'tiny lots' at least in North America is in fact... a myth. in just about every single US State. feeder cows get regular 'outside time' even in the most freezing cold weather. a well exercised cow is a healthy cow, with better muscle development, demeanor, and tractability to be herded from pasture to pasture to barn/shed/enclosure/feeding machinery/bales of forage. smaller farms will have smaller lots of course. but even the local cattle farmers here in my area of Alabama USA right near three 'cities' with a total population a smidge over 55,000 humans... the cattle lots/grazing fields are sometimes miles long on a side. our lil corner of heaven is right smack North of the I-20 corridor and almost exactly halfway between the major metropolises of Atlanta, Georgia and Birmingham, Alabama. the Southernmost city i mentioned of the three, is almost exactly cut into fourths by a State Highway running North South and the US Interstate i previously mentioned running East West. so we're not big on raising 'beef' cattle. but we have quite a few dairy farms here. how did i learn all of this? i lived in Montana, USA for more than five years. so i had plenty of time to absorb lots of cattle facts.

[@UEAdmiral]

@@lesliekilgore648thanks for that write-up!

[@tealkerberus748]

It's certainly not healthy for the animals. Feedlot fattening invariably leads to antibiotic dependence simply from having so many animals in close social contact. And using a big diesel tractor to harvest hay and grain, then a big diesel truck to bring it to the feedlot, and then either machinery or a whole lot of water to clear away the manure, will always be problematic compared to letting the cows walk around the paddock harvesting their own feed. The best option is cattle farmed in a regenerative grazing regime, where the animals are actually helping to rebuild soil by locking carbon into humus.

[@Salakert]

It is cheaper. Like the fast food eaten for convenience, cost and lack of effort.

[@j96569]

I read up about using animal fat as moisturizer. An article actually said that although humans have used animal fat as moisturizers for thousands of years, it's safety hasn't been tested 😂 So I bought some.

[@AxelleAigner]

I use tallow. Works well.

[@tinkastink9527]

@@AxelleAigneromg! does it make your skin glow?

[@fiona4731]

Haha. Just do the opposite to what the experts say and we will be healthy and happy

[@NikolasoGames]

That's as funny as them making it illegal for schools to serve whole milk lol

[@Paraclef]

Based on nowadays, you must talk about green / veggies.

[@douglasmagowan2709]

Something on my mind watching this is organ meat. We eat almost none of it compared to previous generations, and it is extremely nutrient dense.

[@MarquisBS]

It's because meat has become cheap and isn't a luxury anymore at least not compared to pre industrialisation. Before that most people ate the whole animal because either that's what they could afford or for cultural reasons

[@douglasmagowan2709]

@@MarquisBS I agree with what you say about our relative affluence. My question / thoughts run more toward the high nutrient qualities of organ meat that we might be missing out on because we have recently decided that it is icky.

[@MarquisBS]

@@douglasmagowan2709 Quite a fair statement

[@sidecarmisanthrope5927]

If you eat processed meat products then you are eating a lot of organ meat.

[@pipfox7834]

@sidecarmisanthrope5927 but not necessarily with the vitamins intact. Liver has Vit A if memory serves me well. High temperatures used in a lot if not most processed foods in the West, mean destruction of those vitamins.

[@yb6715]

I was also very worried about calsium, protein, and Vitamin B when I first became a Vegan. After 6 months I went to the doctor to get my blood tested. Only 3 values was problematic. She said I have such high levels of Calsium, protein and Vitamin B, that they toxic. She told me eat less meat and cheese. It is not about being vegan or eating meat. It is about having a healthy diat.

[@neonfuz123]

Most non vegans are relying on supplemented vitamins, mostly via "nutrient enriched" foods like rice, bread, cereals, iodized salt, etc. They enrich staple foods to boost nutrients that are low in the entire population, but because they're optimizing for non vegans, vegans can benefit from supplementation.

[@kingbranden1369]

It's just so damn exhausting. No matter what diet you have there's always a thousand people pointing a finger at you telling you why you're going to die because of it. There's so much conflicting information that it's hopeless to ever try to piece together any sort of meaningful understanding of it all.

[@L.OB-1]

It's not conflicting, he's literally reviewed all the research for you. Eat plenty of animal products, not too many carbs, fruits and veg.

[@kingbranden1369]

@@L.OB-1 If only things were so simple. There are two sides to the argument. If you are finished listening after hearing just one that means you're not thinking critically.

[@KirurUwU]

​@@kingbranden1369I totally feel you. I'm a vegan for ethical reasons for 8 years now while it seems the health aspects are never to be settled. I continue listening to all sites over the years and always something new comes up. You see that in other topics of health as well, especially concerning diet. There is always conflicting information, new research always contradicting older research. I tend to think that after all many diets work and people shouldn't so easily think it's just one. Of course that opinion can be challenged, but anything else doesn't seem to be that certain.

[@luis-sophus-8227]

I thought I was the only one who felt conflicted...

[@luis-sophus-8227]

@@L.OB-1 im very sure you still need to eat plenty fruit

[@0ptimal]

One of my biggest eye openers in life was finally realizing first hand how i was supposed to feel. Happened when i cut out the junk and ate veggies fruits and meat only. I mean after 6 weeks i realized my whole being leveled up. Mental state, function, emotions, anxiety vanished, brain fired on all cylinders, i felt young and alive. I cant say enough about it. Dont eat junk. Society would be a better place if everyone did.

[@Zacky51188]

Are you a Carnivore or raw food vegan?

[@nochnfux]

​@@Zacky51188If you can read you'll find out.

[@hedmeddig]

Very hard to do that. Most people today are addicted to sugar without even knowing it. I'm personally addicted to sugar and caffeine, it's hard to kick, but I'm definitely trying to reduce the weekend snacks.

[@F0bius]

I at some point noticed how I never felt great after eating meat. I stopped eating meat but continued eating fish which worked for me. People should experiment more with what they can digest well.

[@starc.]

@@nochnfux what is the point of writing to someone who cant read?

[@Sonofsun.]

16:20 if you get so much better by just eating one meal of salmon your body has to be STARVING

[@wruzzer]

or you are lying. which is most likely the case here.

[@EddietheBastard]

As far as possible part breast feed - even if it's only 10% that a mother can produce that's going to make a huge difference.

[@TheOneAndOnlySame]

I just want to say that : nutrition science is a very approximate science . Their claims change constantly. It's because it is incredibly difficult to observe, analyse and understand the countless interactions in between dozens of organs and thousands of compounds: and their cross interactions etc I take everything they say with a grain of salt or two, but not three

[@Deluxeta]

That's also the reason why you shouldn't mess around with it when it's been stable for thousands of years. If it ain't broke...

[@nickkorkodylas5005]

It's a politically motivated pseud "manned" by hippie activists and funded by junk food corpos.

[@simonb.8868]

physics changed too

[@ravencole2740]

90% of the things they warn you about are the result of one industry's lobbying group trying to destroy the other.

[@2MannzumHochbeamen]

If you really study the developmement of nutritioin "science", you'll finnd they just copy from one another since the 1930'ies. They also ignore real studies done by scientists of medicne, except when they fit their own dogmas.

[@nathanyeo2621]

"Rates of Depression doubled since 2008" just around the time social media started. Coincidence???

[@castellasants]

2008 big financial crisis that upsidedown the whole economy

[@rengurenge]

Social media started around 2004. when in same time internet became better and along with computer prices affordable to medium and lower income peoples, mobile phones as well with slow wap internet.

[@michaeldundrea1473]

Wonder why most American's are depressed when only .05% are vegan…sounds like the 99.5% who eat meat are depressed…maybe it’s the meat?

[@CKLee-rs4kl]

I think not; among teens its escalated at an alarming rate; social media allows a lot of bullying because people can be "invisible".

[@billusher2265]

​@@castellasants but the Economy recovered, yet rates of depression increased

[@jacobthomas1356]

Hey, this video seems to overlook the impact of volatile organic compounds and particulates from synthetic substances on our health over time. You can't just apply broad study results to individual diets or lifestyles. There's a whole mix of factors involved here

[@JerryMichaelGreen]

I can't afford meat. I can afford brown rice, lentils, oatmeal, broth, eggs, olive oils, fish, milk

[@josesaldana2624]

That's all you need

[@nightwingvyse]

I can guarantee a carnivore diet is cheaper than eating vegan.

[@mildewmatthew]

Fish is meat

[@Crocady1]

As someone born with only 22 teeth and more than half being milk teeth which will eventually have to be replaced with implants - I implore you. Do everything you can to keep your teeth. Cut out sugar, not meat.

[@tjohannam]

Same, came from vegetarian parents and after my milk teeth were gone, I had 6 teeth missing in total that just didn't exist in my gums.

[@auntclechris]

No one is born with teeth. You grow teeth as an infant.

[@tentacledood5784]

@@auntclechris 🤓

[@Squall598]

Excess sugar, cut out excess sugar.

[@claudevonriegansbiggestsim4637]

@@auntclechris Babies are indeed born with teeth, they just haven't descended yet. Google is free; look up baby skull and witness true terror.

[@lesleyvivien2876]

Whenever mother-in-law went on holiday, husband and I would move into her flat, to look after her cat. Year 1, the cat couldn't get enough of the raw meat we fed it. MIL came home and chewed our heads off. "They mustn't have raw meat. It makes them too frisky." So that was us told. Pet cats must be kept in a permanent nutrient-deprived stupor.

[@pong9000]

Toxic maternalism. "It will always be my LITTLE baby."

[@fishwax6371]

They used to say the same thing about slaves. That too much meat caused rebelliousness.

[@LittleKikuyu]

Well meat isn’t the natural food for cats. Mice are. Cats are highly specialised predators. They need the whole mouse, intestines and all, not muscle meat from some cow 😔

[@Phryzzle]

@@LittleKikuyu Cats don't eat mice, because they don't like the taste. They only want to hunt and play with them.

[@lysanamcmillan7972]

@@LittleKikuyu Cats' natural prey is whatever their wild ancestors ate and currently eat. "Mice" is simplistic nonsense based on pop culture references. The domesticated cat's closest wild cousin is the African wildcat. Its diet includes mice and rats but is not exclusively rodent-based. They also eat birds, lizards, other small reptiles, and insects. Except for when you look at the western African wildcat, which is happy to hunt down hares and gerbils. The southern variety will take down antelope fawns as well as domesticated lambs.

[@BostonBADCOG]

I've been vegan for 7+ years and vegetarian for 20 and while I do take vitamin D supplements (because I live in the north and like to wear clothes) and I didn't have any issues other than my doctor said it was low, my B12 is fine. B12 is a tricky topic and the research is still coming in. B12 is a very complex vitamin and is destroyed in the the upper intestine but absorbed in the lower intestine. If taken as a supplement or eaten as part of ones diet, the amount of B12 that can be absorbed by one's lower intestine is limited by the amount of intrinsic factor their stomach is able to produce. Many bacteria have been found to produce B12 and vegans and vegetarians can get enough B12 from a health gut biome. Nutritional yeast is also in everything these days. Being vegan takes commitment, discipline, and an understand of nutrition or it won't work. Pottinger's cats shows another mechanism for malnutrition and shows that modern diets have had an effect on people's teeth among all sorts of other things. I think veganism is being blamed for the shortcomings of the people trying vegan diets and not the diets themselves.

[@teresaellis7062]

As someone who tried to go vegan I agree with this opinion: "I think veganism is being blamed for the shortcomings of the people trying vegan diets and not the diets themselves." Eating healthy as a vegan takes time, cooking skills, money, understanding my nutritionals needs, room in the fridge to store perishable veggies and likely a few other things I don't know about. I didn't have enough of any of that and so I was only able to last a week on a vegan diet before my previously unknown nutritional deficiencies showed up. I do eat a lot less meat and a lot more veggies nowadays, but I just can't keep up a vegan diet. I wanted to go on it, because I can't make a vegetarian diet work. Too much reliance on replacing meat proteins with dairy proteins and I am allergic to dairy. So, I raise chickens for eggs and eat sparingly of meat from animals raised in a more natural environment.

[@kevspeedruns9947]

That's because you're too braindead to remember the several famous vegans mentioned in the video who literally had their personal doctor test their blood and try everything in their power to make it work to no avail.

[@godloves9163]

Finally and intelligent comment.

[@godloves9163]

@@teresaellis7062why are you replacing meat protein with milk? Why not lentils and legumes and nuts and seeds?! Especially legumes. There’s 100’s of varieties. It’s just soaking properly and cooking properly the difficult part.

[@spacebuddy5339]

I'll just have meat thanks.

[@pussthepupanddonkeythedog5135]

Shiitake mushrooms and nori seaweed have B12.

[@shion3948]

Very little, it's impossible to achieve the desired B12 with only that

[@baphomette666]

@@shion3948 monster energy is loaded with b12 and it's vegan

[@jamesvanderhoorn1117]

My eldest brother was born in Holland in 1943, in an urban area. This meant that he experienced a degree of starvation during his first two years of life (German occupation, the so-called winter of hunger of 1944/45). He is markedly shorter than eight of his siblings (his sister, born in 1944 is even shorter) and he has the crookedest teeth of the whole bunch. Other than that he is perfectly healthy and compos mentis now at 80.

[@user-px2sn8pr5t]

?compos mentis?

[@tron.44]

​@@user-px2sn8pr5tit means of sound mind, or sane.

[@echorises]

@@user-px2sn8pr5t he means mainly "not with alzheimer at age 80." compos mentis means "having control over your mind"

[@charlieprince8671]

Of his right mind, no dementia.@@user-px2sn8pr5t

[@newuser689]

@@user-px2sn8pr5t the literal 2 seconds it takes to google that:

[@eltoncostello7357]

I wish there was time to do a video researching the validity of the studies quoted and if there were motives behind them... seems like there are researchers to prove every argument turning everything into a black and white issue... leading to even more confusion..

[@jghifiversveiws8729]

Word

[@fiona4731]

Go read the book. It is available online for free. Then you can just use your own common sense and logic

[@velveteenrabbit5940]

​@@fiona4731Theres books against the arguments being made here too There is no common sense about this because theres an argument for everything

[@TheMurlocKeeper]

There's no need for confusion. There's history. All you have to do is do some research for once in your life. PROPER, old-school research, the sort that most people nowdays either don't know how to do properly or are too lazy to do so, because it takes weeks/months to do. It's not even difficult to do. It's just time consuming.

[@vanillabatcave5677]

@@velveteenrabbit5940 Yeah, that's why you read as much as possible and make an informed choice.

[@verward]

The Vitamin D bit is inaccurate. It's true that european don't get enough sun for vitamine D in the winter, but vitamin D is extremely fat soluble, so it is stored in the liver. So you can survive as north as Denmark because your body can use the vitamin D from the summer.

[@whydowehavehandlesnow]

Back in high school I was vegetarian for two years and vegan for one year. Never took any supplements or anything. Quit because I wanted a hot dog one day. I hadn't considered it before, but that diet is probably the reason that high school was just a huge blur for me. I always felt like I was dreaming, and I hardly remember anything from that time in my life.

[@chonkypixel1006]

That's how it felt for me and I was eating meat!

[@PineappleDealer37]

I think you just sold me on becoming a vegan. Being stoned 24/7? SING ME ON!

[@kirk4c]

I guess it's hard when the body is adjusting because I notice when I go back to meat I feel so heavy ,as if I did just vegan I feel lighter but always hungry

[@cheesy0nion558]

There is an 8 year age gap between my brother and I. During my childhood, our family would eat a regular omnivore diet. When my brother turned 18 and subsequently moved out, around the same time our mother became obsessed with the concept of a raw vegan diet. I spent my entire adolescence being unable to put any kind of animal products in my mouth without being shamed for making "an unhealthy choice" by her. I am currently 20. Compared to my older brother, I am significantly shorter and weaker. It was as though my life was an unintentional experiment. How would a pair of genetically similar individuals turn out when raised on different diets? And the conclusion appears to be that the little brother who has not tasted meat or fish in over a decade was left stunted and frail, forever left in the shadow of his more physically capable older brother.

[@menzoznem]

They do mention in the video that kids on vegan diets turn out 3 cm shorter on average. As for you and your brother you can't really tell as there is genetic variation. I am for instance 6 cm taller than my brother, but we probably ate quite similar.

[@cheesy0nion558]

@@menzoznem That is true, yes. Our parents are both shorter than average, which is why I can't deny the fact that genetics play a major factor. Yet it is still slightly off-putting how there is approximately a whole 20 cm difference between me and my brother. I will add that as soon as I introduced dairy back into my diet at age 18, I had a sudden growth spurt of 10 cm. Yes, it could very well be a coincidence, but it is an odd one nonetheless.

[@menzoznem]

@@cheesy0nion558 a growth spurt after 18 is definitely a dead give away damn.

[@AusJapan]

Honestly you have every right to be pissed. Your mom treated you like an experiment, and you are worse off for it. I wouldn't blame her for it though, she's as much of a victim of the absolute crap that is passed off as facts these days as you are.

[@shofiquea6982]

35:24 35:26

[@subibosa8243]

I really enjoy the mention of how unsweet the original carrots, eggplants and bananas were

[@donotlike4anonymus594]

Wait what... I've never heard of sweet eggplant... I mean I guess it has some sugar but it's defiantly not noticable/dominant

[@alliedgollfer1239]

​@@donotlike4anonymus594 it's probably sweeter than it was 1000's of years ago

[@dynajay4106]

I tried wild carrots when I was a kid. Definitely not the same. x_x

[@JelleRevyn]

fun fact: original carrots were purple, not orange/yellow!

[@livics610]

Yes that's why it's better to buy organic...

[@kaiwistoski9858]

I’m much healthier since I’ve become a pescatarian, but I don’t think it’s for lack of meats like Turkey and Chicken, it’s just that pescatarianism lead me to be more mindful about what I eat in general. This happens with most diets, so I think it’s less about what diet you have and more just having a diet

[@eldoradocanyonro]

Facepalm..... FISH IS MEAT

[@hermitabby]

​@eldoradocanyonro it doesnt say fish isnt meat it says not for lack of meat like chicken or turkey aka its not cause those meats are excluded

[@kevspeedruns9947]

@@eldoradocanyonro Your B12 deficiency seems to be affecting your brain functions

[@jandospace]

works for me already for 14 years

[@MagdalenaMocarny]

They push anti vegan videos. They want people to eat animals.

[@OccidentalAryan]

You're in the lucky small minority. Most vegans become incredibly sick after 24-30 months.

[@katrose5953]

@@OccidentalAryan because they arent doing their research and properly consuming what they need/ not absorbing all their food due to not chewing their food.

[@mandlankosenhle6490]

@@OccidentalAryan it's not luck it's nature taking back it's route of course not all of us are gonna have it smoothly after generations of carnivorous behavior

[@stopptnix]

@@OccidentalAryan I've never read such nonsense before. In some countries, people have never eaten or even seen prepared meat because their culture doesn't allow it, or it's simply too expensive and there are no animals to slaughter.

[@1un4cy]

20:24 "Look at this healthy cat" "a later examinaton of the skull" *stares dreadfully*

[@Jazzisa311]

... ok to help you sleep better, like, they say that this study had been done over 3 generations, right? So I choose to believe that healthy cat lived a happy & healthy life, and the skull was examined after it died of natural causes.

[@valerietaylor9615]

I hope so.

[@vsTylervs]

When most people think “traditional diets” they think diets that go back to 1700 CE. Traditional diets are diets that go back over 40,000 years ago pre-agriculture.

[@bizznick444joe7]

Yeah usually people don't know that Italian food did not have tomato sauce or tomatoes until the New World was discovered, explored and had their tomatoes commercialized globally. If you want real traditional Italian food you have to go much back. Tomatoes itself is an American food first eaten by Mexicans and Native Americans. So tomato is really Mexican/Native American food and has less roots with Italian cuisine.

[@alexr6114]

Most scientists who study the ancient human diet say that the evidence for what humans ate pre-agriculture is extremely poor and open to interpretation. The only solid conclusion was that ancient humans were omnivores that ate whatever they could find that was edible and the diet was likely to vary with location and season at higher latitudes. Insects/bugs were likely to be a significant component of most ancient human’s diets.

[@onepunchflan3071]

​@@alexr6114nearly all ancient humans hunted and primarily ate animals. They documented this clearly with cave paintings of them hunting not gathering Tubers.

[@foul-fortune-feline]

@@onepunchflan3071 That hardly follows. You don't get many paintings of knapping, or whittling, or anything that goes into hunting. Why would you, then, get paintings of foraging?

[@saszablaze1]

then there's the OG primal human diet which is waaay before those trad paleo adaptations to catastrophe

[@UnconventionalReasoning]

I tried a vegan diet for 13 years. In 2023, I finally realized I was going to stick with it for the rest of my life.

[@SandorBR]

Do you mean you were about to die from it? In the sense the rest of your life would be very short?

[@UnconventionalReasoning]

@@SandorBR Haha, no. I mean that I survived for 13 years, and expect to survive for several more decades.

[@guitarszen]

Same here. No lies from meat munchers will change my scientific mind. I am a vegan and a scientist and all these anti-vegan types are scumbags.

[@conworldus8310]

@@UnconventionalReasoning Well, walk the walk.

[@UnconventionalReasoning]

@@conworldus8310 Yes, I've been walking the vegan walk for over a dozen years, and still walking tall.

[@ThiloNorris]

14:57 Sooorrry, but thats a very speculative hypthisis. And this is not shared by many of his science colleagues. Especially around the equator, you can find a lot of exotic fruits that have demonstrably not been bred by humans and have a very high sugar content. Not only people are fond of sugar, but so are many other animals, whether elephants, monkeys, pollinator insects or hummingbirds. In my opinion, Daniel Liebermann's statement is not argumentatively tenable and I am not aware of any concrete research findings that would support his hypothesis

[@allancerf9038]

Dude, if you could master one language besides gibberish, you may be allowed a point or two. Your spelling is atrocious.

[@Livetoeat171]

Regarding the milk for babies...my sister was allergic to cow's milk and couldnt keep it down as a baby, so the doctors had her drink goat's milk. It worked.

[@avivastudios2311]

Your sister was allergic to human milk? That's the strangest thing I've heard today.

[@Mariana-vc6sv]

@@avivastudios2311 Nah I think they're talking about the powdered baby formula

[@FassinTaak]

Do you think it strange we're the only animals on earth that consumes the milk of another mammal?

[@Livetoeat171]

@@avivastudios2311 Read what I wrote. I said she was allergic to cows milk. **edit: She would projectile vomit every time she had some, so going to goats milk, had less fat, or whatever it was... maybe lactase? that she was sensitive to.

[@ASBO_LUTELY]

@@FassinTaak No.

[@higherresolution4490]

Later on in the video where you're talking about the Plains Indian's height and pemmican, it's of interest to note some of the accounts of the franciscans that accompanied Spanish explorers 500 years ago. One Franciscan most famous for recording the people and events in the Southwest wrote about the Pima Indians. In one chronicle, he describes a seven-foot-tall Pima Indian warrior running the same speed as a bison, while taking it down with his bow and arrow. He describes the Pimas of that era in glorious terms. Today, the Pimas outside Tucson, Arizona are the fattest, most diabetic people in the entire world. Their diet consists of US surplus: canned and boxed foods + sodas and fruit juice.

[@DarkKnight-db1dy]

How does he know that Pima was 7 foot tall? Did he measure him or what?

[@higherresolution4490]

@@DarkKnight-db1dy Yes, he was measured. BTY, at that time in world history, it was estimated that the Pima Indians were the tallest race in the world. Of course, not the whole world was known in that era!

[@DarkKnight-db1dy]

@@higherresolution4490 Estimated by who? Pima weren't even the tallest Indians, let alone the tallest in the world. I have searched the internet and nowhere it mentions that they were the tallest. If you have any source to back your claims up, you can present it. I will be more than happy to add that info to my knowledge.

[@LambrettaFunk]

@@DarkKnight-db1dy it was the Plains Indians that were regarded as the tallest. Do a search for "Standing Tall: Plains Indians Enjoyed Height, Health Advantage"

[@spankynater4242]

The accuracy of those reports from that era are suspect. They made many recording errors.

[@kiminem4087]

Montenegrian here. I grow up eating homemade food. my breakfast as a child was boiled 1 cup of milk that was milked for 2h before that milk had fat floating on top and we would add a bit of salt to it, then high-fat cheese in taste and texture similar to mozzarella nowadays, home baked bread, onion, garlic, egg, and baken made on wood fire because we smoked meat so we always had fire going on. for lunch it would be cabbage or some of those green vegetables in soup, onion, carrot, garlic, home-baked bread, and ofc some smoked meat like ribs for example, another version of lunch would be baked meat with potatoes, and always I mean rly always soup. for soup when baked lunch was there it was usually full of vegetable and bone broth. For dinner, we usually skip it or eat whatever is left from lunch. Sometimes if we had something extra there would be cheese pie and something like Greek yogurt or kefir, or just a cup of milk that is extra from that day with some bread and cheese ofc. So most of the diet was cheese, meat, eggs, fat, and vegetables. But keep in mind vegetables that can be grown all year long and can remain longer period fresh like cabbage, carrot, onion, garlic, potato. Every day I would have liked school then helping around animals, cutting or moving things around, etc, so it was active, and in our free time we would play sports or ride bicycle. I never had issues with my mouth health etc. Yes I am just under 2m tall. Also worth to note that today's milk isn't milk, you have to rly try out milk that is milked then boiled ... milk like that is full of fat and it's so delicious.

[@PannieHomelife-carnivore]

Wow that does sound like a wholesome natural diet

[@jeffery9543]

One really fascinating thing about most herbivores is how often they will eat meat when they don't get enough of something in their diet. Theres actually was less obligate herbivores than there are herbivores that need to eat meat on occasion. Can't keep poultry with most other farm animals because of it (even with each other sometimes...)

[@catpoke9557]

Most poultry are omnivores, to be fair.

[@matthewbroad670]

it's kind of weird when you hear about it, things like Sheep eating birds. The channel Casual Geographic has a video on that kind of thing.

[@windhelmguard5295]

yea almost all herbivores eat their afterbirth and buffalo have been observed chewing of the bones of dead animals.

[@cmo5807]

​@@catpoke9557poultry last I checked are omnivore..... Been raising chickens for a decade never seen a chicken just eat grains , veg, and fruit.... Did you even Google before you typed. Nope people never do.

[@tanshihus1]

@@catpoke9557 They are referring to the ruminants occasionally eating the poultry. Something I'd never heard before until I saw a video of the cow sucking up baby chicks.

[@picksalot1]

It's interesting that most vegetarian/vegans are associated with an increase in longevity of 8-10 years, but there is uncertainty whether this is due to the diet or other healthier lifestyle decisions.

[@AMpr0d]

If the comparison is between average Americans that slam fried food everyday then I can totally understand that.

[@valerietaylor9615]

I’ve heard that most vegans end up destroying their health.

[@dawnelder9046]

Considering Adventist money was behind that study, it is questionable. A lot of studies in North America get funding from them. Harvard sold their scientific soul to the Adventist agenda over half a century ago. With Adventist, get the results they want if you want funding. They are Kellogg and Post. So the food industry. $$$$$$$$$$ The American Academy of Nutrition and Diatetics is Adventist. The American Heart Association has fronted for them and big pharma since the 40s. There was a mega study out of Europe were they found that vegans not only die younger, but have much earlier dementia. There was also a study which compared Adventist to Mormans. Simular lifestyle. Mormans eat meat. They also have better health and live about 8 years longer.

[@Mikielike]

PROPAGANDA

[@kellysmall2492]

@@Mikielikeit’s all propaganda and every body is different.

[@aleyummusic]

I'd love to see a video on artificial sweetners and how they affect the gut and cause bloating

[@annademo]

And aspartame and brain development/disease.

[@la912]

@@annademo That'll be a pretty interesting topic

[@mydearriley]

This video is riddled with logical fallacies.

[@charuseTV]

@@mydearriley Elaborate

[@theprophet2444]

If you have bloating issues it's not because of AS that's for sure. Bloating comes from consuming too much fiber rich foods, beans make you fart because they are very rich in fiber, vegans fart all the time not because of AS but because they have a much higher intake of fiber than omnivores or carnivores. I rarely if ever fart and never have experienced bloating, that's because I don't consume excess ammounts of fiber and eat a low carb(less than 100g daily) and high in animal products diet. -Back to AS: they can give you cancer according to rat studies but take them with a grain of salt, they fed those poor rodents so much AS daily as a normal human would consume in a life time, if body weight/size is aligned.

[@francisbacon7738]

Well it worked for me. I am 60 and I have more energy and feel healthier than when I was in my twenties. It is true though that most people who go vegan do not do their research properly. My big mistake in the first year was not getting enough protein.

[@amilederdnaxela]

It works fine for me too. People make the whole thing about themselves. I do it for the animals.

[@MrRADicalOfficial]

Actually most meat eaters aren't even getting enough protein as well. That isn't just a Vegan thing, it is pretty common in most people. The vitamin B12 and Choline deficiencies are also common in all people too. Yes, Vegans have it worse, but if people at the right amounts of certain types of foods daily they wouldn't have protein, B12, or Choline deficiencies. It's just harder to do on a Vegan diet, but entirely possible.

[@doigt6590]

My mother's been a nurse for many years, saw so many of guys like francis and amile here who think it works for them, then they get tons of medical issues and/or die sooner than they should be. You guys are dime a dozen. You don't even realize you're deficient and your system is struggling and one day it's going to hit you. Either the doctor teaches something you didn't know about your body, a hidden and displeasing surprise you'll have a hard time accepting. It's sad really because then other people think that if it works for other people, it will work for them too... but it really works for nobody. You might feel fine now, but it's only a matter of time or you're lying to yourself and normalizing limitations caused by your diet.

[@morgantorium]

​@@doigt6590 Nutrition science is approximate and not everything works for everyone, however the position of the american, canadian, british, australian, finnish, norwegian, italian and portuguese dietary associations are that a vegan diet is appropriate as long as it's planned properly. That's enough for me to believe not everyone who has a vegan diet is doomed.

[@nathanwwolf7843]

@@doigt6590 lol say that to all the ppl who died from the #1 killer, heat disease, clogged arteries. Doing it right is the key, ppl just don't do enough research you'll actually improve your health, quite a few of his claims vs veganism are bogus

[@roningehring406]

17:23 In korea its also customary to feed pregnant women kelp soup. I dont remember where i heard this but there are certain tribes in africa who burn kelp and feed the burnt kelp to pregnant women Pretty cool how people from different corners of the world discovered feeding seaweed to pregnant women makes babies healthy.

[@Hyumanity]

Gooo humanity!

[@la912]

Indeed, the native communities have valuable wisdom, and it's almost a mystery for us how they obtained it. Here in this part of the world the natives living in the mountain regions traded with the people living in the coast to obtain fish roe to give to their pregnant woman. When scientist analized the nutritional contents of fish roe they noticed that they were rich in vitamins A, D, B12, Choline, etc. Critical nutrients for proper development. It's hard to tell how they, without microscopes and laboratories, knew this fact better than us

[@1982A]

Seaweed has sodium make miscle relaxation

[@geraldsentences7729]

its not enough tho

[@AndrewManook]

@@la912 Probably through trial and error.

[@Lodestone8]

It should be noted that bone strength and milk have a long complicated history that to say the least, milk doesn't directly correlate with increased bone strength and growth

[@Baldbutstillhuman]

Yeah it’s probably just the animal protein and fat that helps people grow taller.

[@LucasTigy2]

the quality of the dairy is certainly a factor that we should try to understand more

[@cozypadd]

​@@Baldbutstillhuman more like the hormones in the meat and milk..

[@defeqel6537]

@@cozypadd Nah, there is a clear difference between health effects of just full fat and skimmed milk, and homogenized and non, and pasteurized and non (though there are some health concerns with the former too)

[@cozypadd]

@@defeqel6537 there are health concerns with all of them. Plus any dairy product. If you just look at a world map showing amount of dairy consumption and compare that to a world map showing osteoporosis rates, you'll see that they are basically identical. Worldwide: the more dairy people in a country consume, the higher their rate to suffer from bone loss. Granted, that's not a study that shows causation. But the correlation is strong.

[@crabjonas1946]

my mother used to be a movement scientist and my father proffesional athlete. they knew alot about proper and healthy food. ive been eating a very healthy and natural diet. my little brothers were born 10 years later now we eat a nearly vegatarian diet im intrested to see what will happen in another 10 years or so.

[@quartqwertbudisgood]

Been doing a vegan diet (except honey) for 7 years now, only noticed improvements so far but I do have to eat a lot more volume of food.

[@sathvamp1]

Since vegetarians are OK with vitamin B12-containing animal products such as egg yolks and milk, you should be fine I am guessing. The risk really comes with being vegan and cutting those things out because vitamin B12 is NOT found in plants.

[@sathvamp1]

​@@quartqwertbudisgood Hate to break it to you, but you may not notice any problems until it's been around 12 years. BECAUSE... vitamin B12 is NOT found in plants. AND the liver can store a LOT of vitamin B12... including stock a fetus's liver during the mother's pregnancy, so... yeah it may be a while. But if you are vegan I DEFINITELY hope you are taking B12 supplements... if so, you may be fine.

[@cau_luigi]

@@sathvamp1 dude any vegan that doesn't have B12 stored in the liver takes B12 supplement. It's not a big deal bro

[@sathvamp1]

@@cau_luigi Indeed it's not a big deal IF they know enough to take B12 supplements... but I've unfortunately met a lot who tell me they don't even know what vitamin B12 is (and I even met one who said their DOCTOR didn't even mention it to them, at the same time as being aware their patient was vegan). So yeah... things happen (or not) depending on the person lol.

[@Evieisd3ad]

I just watched a documentary about why to switch to a vegan diet and now I'm watching this video and I just don't know who to believe anymore.

[@snailswrath]

There are enough studies out there that you can cherry pick from to form any opinion you want nowdays. Know that vegan diets are not based on the needs of a human body, but is based on the morals of animal treatment and co2 emissions. Which doesn't seem very convincing, at least to me.

[@grodling]

I would be interested to know how fermentation (Generally done with yeast and/or lactic bacteria - if your product has a salt brine and is refrigerated, it's generally fermented) affects the vitamin uptake from vegan diets. And of course the other end - pickling (Generally done with an outside acid such as vinegar, longer shelf life, doesn't usually need to be refrigerated) and how that affects the vitamin uptake. Let me know if you do a video on this difference!

[@KekeeBlack]

My hypothesis would be that it would only help with maybe 2 or 3 vitamins. It helps in the case of K2 but only in the form of either menaquinone 4 or 7, I can’t remember. But there are something like 13 different menaquinones that the body needs and, as far as we know, only other animals can make them.

[@LPempty]

You can easily look it up. I don’t think you need to comment this on a vid of some guy who doesn’t read the sources he provides

[@pneumonical]

it doesnt amtter how much you ferment it you wont get anything from it apart from the bacteria why do you thjink cows eat so much grass all day. literally not one animal is vegan. animals cannot utilise minerals and vitamins from plants

[@jakedesnake97]

I found the snippet at the start about meat sales being on the decline quite amusing, since my company (I work in market research) conducted a study about this recently. We did indeed find our target demo decreased their meat consumption in the past couple of years, but by far the most common reason was COST, not health or environmental related reasons. It seems most people wouldn't be vegetarian or vegan if they had more financial flexibility

[@killroy8976]

Feel that 100%. I would love to eat more meat, particularly organic grass-fed etc... but dang is it expensive

[@MqKosmos]

Most people wouldn't eat meat of the government didn't put millions into it every year to keep the price affordable. A cow is expensive and shouldn't be eaten every day, for some even three times a day. Back in the days you are meat 1-4 times a months tops. And we should go back to that

[@JwalinBhatt]

@@MqKosmos Instead of going back to that, it would be much more ethical to go forward to eating no cows at all :)

[@MqKosmos]

@@JwalinBhatt 🙌 agreed. I wouldn't eat my dog once a week or once a month.. or ever, so why should I eat a cow, or a pig, or birds. I have to admit i ate a mussel at the Asian all you can eat last week 😂 He that is without sin among us, let him first cast a stone..

[@jerryyan2483]

do you mind sharing your company's name? i'm a student, and i might write about/include them in a research literature or something, thanks!

[@snowyowl10]

Brave video, i imagine you wont be reading the comments much for your own peace of mind. Still, i think it's worth saying that i noticed one glaring inaccuracy in the content: ancient wild fruit would NOT have been "only as sweet as a modern carrot." In many cases, yes, humans have selectively bred more sweetness, but as someone who forages as a hobby, i can IMMEDIATELY think of at LEAST 3 wild fruit in my area that are non-cultivated, have no gene flow with cultivated fruits, and are still exceptionally sweet. And that's not even counting the variety in the warmer parts of the world! Fruit have been coevolving with plenty of sweet-loving species for millions of years, and the plants know how to make a fruit that will absolutely delight a hungry primate of any species

[@tylerdurden3722]

I grew up in the African savanna environment humans evolved in. Its mostly grass with sparse drought resistant trees and bushes. Most are thorny. Some have fruit, most taste horrible...though birds and stuff seem to love them. Fruits are generally not sweet, but instead have a dry taste and sour, and I think its an adaptation to avoid fermentation. Because the rare few fruit that are sweet, spoil very fast (probably due to the heat) and then ferments (imagine the smell of rotten grapes). the sweetest fruit I encountered, was a type of berry (or a tiny apricot like fruit). Its not very sweet and makes your mouth feel dry (like almost everything else), it has a great flavor though. I think that dry-mouth effect is an adaptation to the climate. The best fruit I encountered was a kind of hard green apricot (slightly larger than an apricot and white inside), but its very sour (and dries the mouth). It'd be impossible to survive off these alone, because its very sparse, other animals compete (especially birds and animals that live in trees), they're very seasonal, and they all cause stomach aches when you eat too much too often (especially if it has the dry mouth taste). local traditional dishes dont really have fruit in them. Its very very heavy on meat with starches. Cultures revolve around meat. If one goes toward the equator, fruit becomes better and more common. E.g. marula fruit is very sweet when ripe (which does not ast long because of the heat I guess...it over-ripens fast and ferments). Bushmen focus on meat, bulbs and other starches, and an eternal search for rehydration (the ones I encountered hunt small animals and even porcupines (they lived in a wetter region). The sweetest thing out there is honey

[@vikassm]

Marula in the savanna, Dates near the deserts and coconuts along the coastline have been known for their sweetness for thousands of years. Similarly in India there are hundreds of really sweet wild fruits for which there were no English names even after 200 years of colonisation. Some did become very popular in the western world, for example the Mango. Finally there are many cultures which promote vegetarianism, I've been a vegetarian all my life, my grandparents lived for over 100 years without any health issues. Today's chronic health issues are a direct result of easy, refined calories (refined starch and table sugar) and to a much larger extent the result of a sedentary lifestyle. Vegan "doesn't work" is as relevant and informative as an uninformed primary school student's essay.

[@tempestive1]

​@@vikassmwell put. As a sidenote, vegetarian diets are cheaper than non-veg ones - unleas you're buying ready meals, which... eh.

[@RafaelRodriguez-iu8bb]

The video is so full of fallacies anyway, so no wonder it has all sort of bombastic statements

[@JT-rb9wf]

@@vikassm Vegan and vegetarian diets are vastly different. Furthermore, that a vegetarian indian diet works does not mean that a Scandinavian vegan diet is equally nutritious... You call others as uninformed as primary school students, yet you yourself can't even grasp the difference in available nutrition in different climates... In addition 2 out of the 3 fruits you mentioned were already cultivated and changed by humans thousands of years ago... Only the coconut out of those is believed to have been similar before. And even there you will most likely have more sour tasting ones like most of the wild sorts today. The only thing you are is not smart or knowledgeable but ignorant.

[@MC-bb3ov]

I wonder if there are any experiments done in India as I know there are few generations of vegetarians

[@leonardofalcao2588]

It's a poor country, the data would be inaccurate

[@wreagfe]

Diabetes type 2 capital of the world.

[@JackLuong]

just look at the average Indian, you don't need much more proof than that

[@DarrylCross]

"When I was a lad, I ate four dozen eggs every morning to help me get large, and now that I've grown I eat five dozen eggs so I'm roughly the size of a barge" - Gaston, hero of Beauty and the Beast.

[@Telados]

Neo-Gastonism is the objectively correct ideology

[@Haheehahohaheehoha]

...And villain.

[@MonicaLabbao_littlemonicat]

Nooooooo... ooooone's slick as Gaston! No one's quick as Gaston No one's neck's as incredibly thick as Gaston's For there's no man in town half as manly Perfect, a pure paragon! You can ask any Tom, Dick or Stanley And they'll tell you whose team they prefer to be on

[@Dantheman-nf9xk]

Yesss gastonianism. John doyle

[@flopin9528]

Typical animal torturing supporter

[@cmonkey63]

During the 'health craze' of the 1970s, I was shopping for groceries with my dad and we came across a spread that touted it had 30% less of something than margarine. I pointed this out, we looked at each other, and decided that we weren't going to eat a substitute for a substitute. It was butter or nothing after that.

[@praxisdragon]

Cholesterol moments.

[@rudy9067]

And that's why you look like your profile pic.

[@cmonkey63]

@@rudy9067 If you mean that I look 10 years younger than I am, then yes.

[@MacDodle]

@Rudy is reasonably healthy looking, just a bit plump tho, that happens to alot of older guys

[@WinstonDreadmore]

​@@rudy9067good colour and lack of wrinkles? Yeah he looks rough. 🤷‍♂️

[@VanessWildTrader]

does the development of the zygomatic arch in any lifeform affect whether or not you have TMJ/TMD?

[@Magnulus76]

Yovanna was trying to live on nothing but salad greens. Of course she was miserable. I've been vegan for three years, and I was vegetarian before that. I'm doing just fine.

[@T_is_for_T]

I’m healthier as a vegan than I was as a heathy diet that included meat. My labs are perfect. My current meat eating doctor is dumbfounded as to why my labs show no deficiencies and I don’t supplement! My former doctor is now vegan after seeing my health improve without supplementing.

[@blanckieification]

People will do anything to defend holding on to old traditons. Its like if you threaten to take away a toy from a todler, than they throw a tantrum. I find it so funny. I am vegan for 8 year. It was the best choise of my life. I haven't been to the doctor in years...I am thriving

[@kirk4c]

Hey what about wild fish instead of chicken and just eating vegan

[@nottomclancy2439]

@@T_is_for_T Aaayyyyy....yeah ook, buddy xD

[@Rheologist]

Imagine being suprised that living like our ancestors did for thousands of years (eating whole foods, meat, exercising daily, getting sunlight, socializing) is the healthiest option

[@markfinlay422]

​@A B what do you mean by "very little"? And why would evolving to eat something mean that we don't need - much of - it?

[@stefan0ro]

@A B in some cases, a lot of it. like those that are on the carnivore diet, out of necessity, because for some reason their bodies got completely messed up and can barely process carbs until they heal.

[@anarcho-savagery2097]

You don't live like your ancestors did, even if you claim to.

[@anarcho-savagery2097]

​@A B *laughs in wolf an actual carnivore*

[@4m0d]

No vegan disagrees about them except the meat, it has being proven again and again in various studies that a planned vegan diet has no disadvantages and is even better than omnivore diet in some cases.

[@Raz.C]

Ok, just so you know, something being oxidised doesn't mean that you now need an anti-oxidant. Oxidation is one-half of what we chemists call a Redox reaction - that's a reduction-oxidation reaction. As 'x' is oxidised, 'y' is reduced. An anti-oxidant would prevent the redox reaction from taking place at all and NOT- as you suggested- be used as a sort of 'morning after pill' for random oxidation happening without a corresponding reduction. I hope that makes sense. If not, please read up on "Redox Reactions," to give you an ACCURATE understanding of oxidation, as opposed to the use of "Oxidation" as a buzzword.

[@SteveAkaDarktimes]

I guess in 10 years there will be a study that shows that Anti-oxidant foods was just as much nonsense as Saturated fats, Margarine or red meat.

[@guitarszen]

That is the chemistry redox process, not the food antioxidant process, which involves free radicals, enzymes, etc. These are two completely different things MR CHEMIST. As a vegan, scientist, your knowledge looks like what a school child learns in chem class with no real thought about what is actually taking place (you couldn't even google it to see if you were right, fool).

[@eventhorizon7267]

How accurate his explanation of everything he said ? Like whole?

[@Terms-and-Conditions]

"of what we chemists call a Redox reaction" so if someone is biologist how he calls it by different name? if someone is mechanic he calls it with another name? its only you chemists who call it that?

[@Raz.C]

@@Terms-and-Conditions Not being a biologist, I wouldn't know if they have a different way of describing these reactions. Same for other specialities.

[@viktorgoa]

that indiana jones meme at 5:33 was sooo funny! Bravo

[@BeeryGamer]

10:10 you forget to mention that this is specifically for those vegetarians and vegans who don't use supplements

[@mk820]

Really? I thought it just said that they had a group of vegetarians and vegans tested. I was guessing that it was a mixed bag and that's where the actual critique would be, but does it actually say that they tested people who didn't take supplements? Just curious btw as a vegetarian myself.

[@BeeryGamer]

@@mk820 I mean, it says so in the study itself: 'in the group that does not take vitamins...' or something along those lines

[@somethingelse9535]

If a diet needs supplementation to stay alive, it tells me all a need to know about that diet.

[@michaellk2254]

I've been saying for YEARS that the research on red meat has been horrendous. I was 16 when this was the case and people still advocate against it. The worst part is when a family member had blood loss due to severe IBD, he was urged to eat more red meat. Silly to see contradictions until they're no longer applicable.

[@miguelmejia4656]

the studies on red meat don't lie.

[@tomedwards8966]

I know people who still believe the low fat craze from the 90s. It is wild.

[@michaellk2254]

I know people who believe salt and fat should be entirely cut out, and they are the same people cutting out butter for margarine. I am not kidding.

[@user-ro9ms4hq5y]

​@@michaellk2254 It is the majority of people i come into contact with

[@cozypadd]

What do you suggest should happen in science and research to change this?

[@xoptics]

At 10:07, you incorrectly cite DOI: 10.1093/ajcn/78.1.131. The 92% holoTC figure explicitly refers to individuals that did *not* take B supplements. 88% of vegan "vitamin users" had low holoTC - very similar number, but if you look at the actual levels, they were substantially better on average (14 pmol/L vs 4 pmol/L) for vitamin-users. B12 levels for vitamin-using vegans were actually slightly better than LV-LOV individuals in this study. Clearly, B12 supplements do *something*. In the study, "vitamin users" took B vitamin supplements, but not with any particular protocol. That said, the study does show a stark contrast between omnivores and vegetarians - only 1% of omnivores had low B12, and 11% had low holoTC levels,

[@nick3805]

Don't confuse the man with facts O.o

[@EmanPwns]

Where does it say 88% of “vitamin users”.. i read the document but can’t find that number.

[@EmanPwns]

Also, where does he misquote the article? He simply stated what the article said. He didn’t say this was referring to “vegans who take vitamins”. If he said that, then that would be misquoting.

[@xoptics]

@@EmanPwns The context of the citation was a discussion of vegetarians and vegans who take B12 supplements, but the figures cited were for those who do not take B12 supplements. Why would you quote the non-supplement-taking figures when discussing the effectiveness of B12 supplements? I don't doubt that it was just an honest mistake, but it's either an incorrect citation or a misleading statement about supplement effectiveness. I chose to interpret it as an simple incorrect citation.

[@xoptics]

@@EmanPwns I tried to link to the study but my comment isn't showing up. The 88% figure is in "Table 1" in the study.

[@Gabriel-mf7wh]

I've eaten meat my whole life, and not in small amounts, and I still got crooked teeth and narrow jaw

[@W1ndF4lc0n]

The part of the video with the teeth is about the mother while pregnant.

[@coolgamerfarmer]

try mewing

[@divyanshusingh7124]

Me and my ancestors have all been mostly vegan.

[@QueenXKnit]

I was vegan for almost 20 years, started at 17, and my health tanked years after years. I was completely wiped out when i decided to stop it and go back to eating meat, in the space of weeks its like i was given a new body and brain. It was like getting my life back.

[@user-xi2zy2mv4e]

I have seen like 20 people on KZbin tell the exact same story. I wish this was common knowledge.

[@WhatIveLearned]

Glad you're feeling better!

[@powerplayer75]

@@user-xi2zy2mv4e how scientific

[@aniawo5119]

Surely it's not for everyone. People with blood type 0 must have meat in their diet. I am blood type B so I thrive on dairy 🤷‍♀️

[@egolayer13]

Same! I started at the same age and blamed every negative symptom on anything but the diet all throughout my 20's. Now I look and feel better in my 30's after only a short few years on a primarily carnivore diet. Onward and upward!

[@ucchi9829]

Interesting that in some videos, you really don't like non interventional studies. But then, in others, you're totally fine with data that was generated in non controlled environments.

[@joardamamerican9701]

I call it biased videos

[@ucchi9829]

@Joardam American Indeed. It seems the what he will use to support his inferences are a matter of convenience. There's no level to them. All of his inferences are treated in the same way. But when it comes to an opposite view, suddenly those tools are flawed and shouldn't be trusted.

[@fitawrarifitness6842]

Its called cherry picking.

[@monroemusicnz]

Actually, it’s called understanding data analysis. All data from all types of research is useful, you just need to know how to apply it.

[@ucchi9829]

@thebalancedway Wouldn't this be Design Of Experiments actually? I doubt the OP knows what either of these are.

[@user-te7rf8ik7z]

Millions of people in India are vegetarian and have been for quiet a while. Is it better for them because of some specific spices/regional vegetables.

[@allancerf9038]

980 million people in India are not vegetarians.

[@iamtg1]

And most type 2 diabetes in the world. 🤔

[@user-te7rf8ik7z]

@@allancerf9038 and 400 mills are

[@user-te7rf8ik7z]

@@iamtg1 per capita lower than US or China

[@cplusroofing-roofingreplac3568]

When I on vegan diet. My eczema will go away. When I on carnivore diet. My eczema flare up like crazy mean whole body. Are you sure what u say is correct? I mean is not for me.

[@dragonayre-00]

Yeah, basically do what's best for your body really. Some ppl eczema got worse on vegan diet, some got better on omnivorous diet.

[@AVERYGOODFRIEND95]

same issue with psoriasis

[@cplusroofing-roofingreplac3568]

Theres one key ingredient people missed on vegan diet to cure porasis. You have to eat 4-6 cloves of raw garlic. Its like booster. It can cure in 3-4 days to see results. Now I can eat some meat now

[@manwhoismissingtwotoenails4811]

Imagine if Nickocado avacado was also mentioned💀

[@DNA-DNB]

I mean 84% quitting is a lot of well known people that could be shown here. However, that guy now has a totally different issue but would be interesting for another video

[@benh6737]

@@DNA-DNB That 84% number comes from the faunalytics study, just tell me how many of the vegans tested left veganism for health reasons ?

[@benh6737]

@@DNA-DNB when you cite a precise number, you have to back it up.

[@geraldsentences7729]

@@benh6737 bro trying so hard to deny facts 💀

[@benh6737]

@@geraldsentences7729 You new to this ? It's called a nuance Leave science for the big boys please

[@debrawehrly6900]

I think the primary reason for people becoming vegans is the concern for animals.

[@unhurter]

it's shame based self-flagelation. it's neo catholicism in terms of denying ourselves of our nature. it's the cycle of life that we are to eat or be eaten

[@2MinuteHockey]

there is no ethical difference to animals between vegans and vegetarians the realest criminal is factory farmed animals and animal products why don't they become co-op farmers so mass produced soy and corn they eat as a substitute doesn't churn tons of rabbits in the fields, etc?

[@koobah]

And becoming morally superior and hated at every party (particularly bbqs) 😝

[@stevenvegh7964]

Yes it absolutely is the primary motivation for most, the health benefits that they want to tout are how they try to use logic to justify a decision that was made for emotional reasons. I think 2 things can be true at once, it would be morally better if we didn’t have to kill other animals to sustain ourselves, and we are much healthier and thrive better by eating animals.

[@ladev91]

Most will also it is healthier than non vegan diet

[@blackwater7183]

I’ve noticed, throughout the years of being a health buff, that any type of fad diet will make you lose weight. This applies to both extreme parts of the spectrum, from all-vegetable to all-meat diets. The reason is simple: both of them make you eliminate a food item or ingredient that usually adds to your calorie intake from what you eat regularly. I always believe that there is balance to everything. If you want to lose weight, just eat less of what you normally eat and avoid calorie dense foods or if you want to, then take it into account and eat less on your next meal or skip a meal to compensate. It's really that simple.

[@ObiJakobe]

5:05 ate cereal every day while in highschool and I'm the shortest in my family 😢

[@Momofukudoodoowindu]

Cereal is riddled with chlormequat. You probably have IBS or leaky gut to some degree like I do, being raised on cereal.

[@richardmh1987]

Well, my wife and I are recent parents and before my wife was pregnant she used to eat a very restricted diet given digestion problems of her. Once she got pregnant most of her digestion problems went away and she started to eat a lot like me, with lots of red meat, home made bread (I bake it myself), dairy products, green leafs and vegetables, almost no suggar drinks and instead plain water or fruits blended into water. And our son was born with perfect weight and is being breast feeded along with some formula, but mostly breast milk, and recently incorporating solids, and he is very large for his age, most people saying he is the size of a two years old when he is only 7 months old. Funny thing is that according to all weight and size charts he is pretty much where he should be for his age, so that makes me thing that a lot of kids are undernourished or even malnourished without people noticing it.

[@dsoul1305]

"a lot of kids are undernourished or even malnourished without people noticing it." - yes, unfortunatelly they are.

[@MACTEP_CHOB]

Like those kittens. Yikes.

[@offifee8022]

Also, people are simply not all the same...

[@brunomoreno3666]

bingo

[@fottnyul]

The WHO's growth charts are much higher than what my pediatrician uses. My son is at 50% according to WHO but 80% according to our doctor's charts. He is a chunky boy, eats all the time and has 6-8 poops a day at 12 weeks.

[@saritasarit]

It was mentioned in he comments but i also have read that doing sports during childhood and teenagehood and chewing harder foods as our faces grow and specially as food is introduced after 6months of age really has an effect on the size and shape of your jaw. My brother is the only sporty on in our family and his jaw is massive and has natural straight teeth. He even had space for all his wisdom teeth, which is something rare amongst all the people i know in their 30s and 20s now.

[@yukiosakura4969]

Also because he ate meat.

[@SahnigReingeloetet]

Probably because exercise floods your system with HGH, which also affects the palatal plates.

[@NoReply28]

Sound unattractive... Ngl

[@wanderingfawn604]

That's interesting. I grew up much more active and on a better diet than my brother, but he ended up with straight teeth and I got crooked ones.

[@DragonRebelRose]

Same here, I ate a lot of tough to chew food, like homemade breads with thick crusts (not that soft squishy garbage at the grocery store), lots of apples or fruits you really had to bite into, lots of meats with varying degrees of quality (some you just had to keep chewing, yeah not the best stuff to eat but I do think it helped to shape my teeth and jaw, we didn't always have money to get better quality meats), and more. All of my teeth came in perfectly straight, and I've had no problems with my wisdom teeth crowding or other issues. I never needed braces, meanwhile everyone in my school had to get them. Chewing tough foods or foods with roughage definitely helps develop the way your teeth will be set and how strong your jaw/jaw line is. My dentist is always so surprised at how healthy my teeth are. I've only ever had one tiny cavity that was so small they didn't even need to give me novacaine. They drilled for 5 seconds max (yes it still hurt) but then it was done!

[@Thesupperals]

I would love if you could do a deep search about the intake of food fibers as well.

[@Skobeloff...]

This channels exists to promote eating animals, there is no deep search, science, logic, or ethics involved.

[@somethingelse9535]

He did. Fiber causes constipation.

[@Immudzen]

Margarine is now marketed as vegan butter .... it is certaintly not better for you than it used to be. I still prefer to cook most things with butter.

[@InSomniEric]

Most margarines are not vegan anyway.

[@niecytorvend9729]

Crazy about the B12 and depression. I went vegetarian/vegan in 4th grade then slowly developed severe depression. I don’t ever remember doctors checking my levels. Now I’m mostly meat-based and mental illness-free

[@niecytorvend9729]

@A B you didn’t watch the video did you

[@Ovaljoke]

@A B big fat lie from the climate cult.

[@Silphwave]

​@A B how? Explain the mechanistic causes for such an outcome. I'll help you, you can't. Your hypothesis is based on nothing more than wildly speculative correlations from uncontrolled and very loosely estimated epidemiological surveys.

[@mike-jn5ot]

Or you could have just checked your B12 levels and if it turned out that you had deficiency just get some injection maybe? You don't have to be smart to figure that out, or do you? 😉

[@Ovaljoke]

Vit A for instance is only in animal products. Super important.

[@bogdanpatru2742]

The fact that these "influencers" recommend a specific diet to people BEFORE realizing the effects it has on themselves shows why the whole "influencer" sphere is so damaging and worthless.

[@ratare40]

Exactly

[@ThePeacePlant]

Because they are watching scam vegans who claim they are doing it but they are not, they are still eating animal products off the camera. It just doesn't work, they know it, but their careers rely on them simply claiming they are vegan and their careers are on KZbin.

[@jayc1139]

50% of the fault goes to the influencer...other 50% goes to the idiots that believe them.

[@Tribies]

Me and my wife was vegan for around 3-4 years, but then quit because...Life, we became parents and our child had problems during birth and we had to feed her certain things to keep her gaining weight due to being so small, all of these things were ofcause animal based foods and we also had to taste it to check its warmth amoung other things. So yea being vegan worked for a while then it didnt, we have been quite a bit healthier since then also, we mix more foods now.

[@Seijin_Matt]

Is there any way we could get links to the studies? I know you mentioned a bunch and it may be tough, but some nerds like me appreciate it. Especially when sharing with others.

[@gemsdavid2385]

in the description. its in the link where he wrote his script. its all linked there

[@youngstephend]

Also who the studies were funded by. Studies are generally purchase to persuade the results to the fuding party.

[@milefiori7694]

The source clearly cited in the description, what kind of nerd you are that incapable of doing a little bit reading?

[@Sovvyy]

​@@hexicdragon3094 My lectures would have probably failed me for sourcing like this. Quite a few of them are on rats when he's talking about humans and don't investigate or concluded his talking points. It gives the impression the studies weren't read, because I only read the abstracts and conclusions and you can see they don't match. I honestly suspect the studies were pulled from ChatGPT as it's about what you'd expect without specifying particular journals or litrature catagories.

[@driver3899]

@@jefflittle8913 so the stuff at nutritionfacts debunks the studies done in this video?

[@devids51]

The older I grow the more I appreciate my parents forcing "untasty" food on me growing up

[@beefbelly]

was meat untasty to you?

[@devids51]

@@beefbelly "healthy" Asian meat with little to no season because "too salty ah later drop hair"

[@Gandhi_Physique]

I wish I grew up with food I look at as disgusting and weird now.

[@veniqer]

I bribe my daughter to eat mutton 🙈 I tell her that she'll thank me when she's older.

[@foudremy1514]

@@devids51 I think its more like chinese food rather than Asia as a whole. People in South Asia and Southeast Asia use a lot of spices and that include salt as well. I'm from Southeast Asia myself.

[@BloodyMobile]

26:23 with what those rats need to properly function, I can't help but giggle at the thought that they're battery powered, because half of those minerals are also in batteries xD

[@timnic9242]

yo, isnt that weird how yt keeps censoring VeganCritical comments ?

[@stacywinton1867]

James Nestor also talked about this in his book “Breath” ;was life changing for me

[@succbags3321]

Fun fact, kinda unrelated but when i got to the video talking about increasing people with peanut allergies, as a baby I also had not only a peanut allergy but a shellfish one as well, not sure if this is just an asian thing but my parents would feed me miniscule amounts of peanuts or peanut products and shellfish everyday for 2-3 years with increasing amounts every year until at some point I had no allergic reaction at all, happy to say at 22 im enjoying pb and j and the occasional sea foods (although the pb and j might just be the only thing i can afford during school currently) A caveat is that (with no scientific research, just my parents experience) you do this only when you're young, i know friends now that if they even so much as catch a whiff of peanut essence they'll go into anaphalatic shock

[@jaytrg]

I also had allergy with beef (itchy swollen skin) when I was a kid. Then at 16 when I migrated to the US, I started eating beef every day as the beef here is so soft and juicy. After 3 years, I no longer had beef allergy.

[@jessicaraye]

I've heard that method worked for one of my friends too

[@Gt3ch]

This is called desensitization and is what allergists do when you go for allergy treatment/shots. I don’t know if there is an exception for peanut allergies but for most other allergies desensitization can be done at any time- with the caveat that a young, developing immune system may be more resilient and apt to be correctly trained/changed and if an allergic response is too severe the technique may be too dangerous and not have a chance to work as the immune system is way too hypersensitive. I suspect this is what you are referring to.

[@De1tAStreaM]

It's also common for creating children with lactose intolerance. In my country there were no lactose intolerant people when they were using raw milk (which is boiled before consumption). Milk powder and pasteurized milk basically created lactose intolerant kids. Thankfully most doctors here now immediately tell new mothers to feed their kids mothers milk then raw milk which has reduced the lactose intolerant kids. Best advice I can give anyone is stay away from modern western diets and highly processed foods they are cancerous to your health.

[@jswong8200]

I'm Asian too and I have one of the most common Asian allergies - lactose intolerance. I've never been able to drink fresh milk or consume drinks that were mixed with fresh milk all throughout my childhood. But all that changed when I was in college and started lifting weights, during which I started consuming whey protein. Initially I had bloating, diarrhea, etc... the typical discomfort associated with lactose intolerance. Fast forward years later, I ended up being able to chug whey shakes all day long and consume fresh milk products without issues. It's been over 20 years since I first started taking whey protein for workouts and I'm glad I've overcome my allergy by ramming head-on against it.

[@john2001plus]

33:06 Does anyone know who the actor is?

[@serinnity761]

Where do people find these old time films? (around 20:00 mark) Is there an archive online somewhere to find that sort of thing?

[@msjkramey]

I'm not a vegan but I'm b12 deficient without supplements. Not everybody absorbs nutrients the same way

[@JammyGit]

My missus went vegan for about 4-5 years and she became B12 deficient, iron deficient, and her hair became thin and in poor condition. At the same time, I became vegetarian because I could live without meat, but milk & cheese were something else and I couldn't give them up. I had no problems or deficiencies. We both started eating meat again a few years ago and her hair recovered but it took a couple of years of blood tests to not have to take B12, iron, and folic acid anymore and get her levels back to normal.

[@resedagreen1368]

@@JammyGit Did your wife supplement for B12 whilst being vegan?

[@JammyGit]

Yes, she did, she was taking B12 pills at the time because our GP advised her to after she told him that she was on a vegan diet. She had to keep having blood tests every few months for roughly 4 or 5 years.....something she doesn't need anymore after stopping the vegan diet.

[@ASOT666]

@@JammyGit Same thing happened to my mum after going vegan, who followed in my footsteps. She went from vegetarian to vegan, and said her hair started falling out etc within a week. I don't think that's enough time for nutrient deficiencies to manifest, especially not those symptoms. Regardless, I asked her what she was substituting for the foods she was no longer eating and she had nothing to say. I added some fortified soy milk to her diet, told her to take an iron/b12 supplement and she started feeling better. My guess is that it was somewhat of a placebo effect, but she really wasn't monitoring what she was eating properly at all. Just what she wasn't eating.

[@maalikserebryakov]

@@ASOT666 Extremely weird for a week of veganism to do that to anyone. That result would be quite surprising even if she were to eat nothing for a week!

[@naominaomi6508]

I was vegan for 14 years. Whole foods, not the "beyond meat" and the other meat substitues. Quinoa, legumes, buckwhat, nuts, seeds, lots of greens, supplements. I felt fine for the first few years, and then I got more and more problems with overall health. Bones, mental health, to mention some. I never had cavities, but my teeth did become crocket. I have seen this happen to several vegans, and it is probably being too low in vitamin d, or not getting in bioavilable calcium from plants. Probably a combination of both.

[@fatcat5817]

*Frick my comment got reloaded* Well to cut it short of all the vegans/vegetarians I didn't know before hand were on said diets. There was always a "off" feeling about them. In one case (i didn't even know them, just stumbled upon one of their videos) and 15-30 mins in. I said to myself, are they vegans/vegetarians. I can feel something "off" about them, didnt know why. 🤔 At the end of the video they offhandedly mention that they were vegetarian. 🤯 Make of that what you will. Something is not as it seems. 🧐

[@xoxoaraya3462]

That means literally nothing scientifically so doesn’t have much validity

[@Leon-le9cn]

Im vegan like you for five years and thriving. Maybe you should simply consult a doctor about it, make a blood sample testing.

[@Teo_live]

@@xoxoaraya3462 It is her anecdote, why the heck are you expecting an anecdote to be scientific? And since when does an anecdote need science to be valid? Seriously do you vegans ever think before talking?

[@julienfroidevaux1143]

What's missing in a well planned vegan diet with perhaps light supplementation ? Farmers supplement their animals so it must work correct ?

[@patriciaalves5848]

Did vegetarian and vegan for about 7 years, and realized my body was not recovering after sport. I would wake up with pain all over, muscles contractures, tired, lack of energy during trainings, and I was using supplements. One day my body was craving beef so badly that my mouth was watering just by thinking of it. Went and bought it, reintroduced meat and fish and went back to my original Mediterranean diet. I eat real food; not stuff out of packages. Meat, fish, veggies, fruits, leguminous etc. But most of all what I learned was to listen to what my body is saying. Find your balance, your body tells you what it needs.

[@CasualGamesOSTs]

If this video describes the strongest arguments against vegetarianism, then you can safely continue to be a vegetarian.

[@braed6189]

Ye same i can keep being able to eat meat

[@braed6189]

And dont try to respond to me, i only came back to the vegan arguement when im bored. Why? Cuz i have my own opinion and you too. I dont care if you eat pepples like the chinese, it doesnt affect me

[@WETBACK4TRUMP]

I cant tell if most of the people commenting didnt watch the video or are being willfully disingenuous.

[@MortenBendiksen]

Weston did indeed identify the need for Vitamin K2, but he didn't name it K2, he called it x-factor, as he had no idea what kind of thing it was, just that it occurred in animal products, and was not Vitamin D or Vitamin A.

[@realfoodcures]

Yes. And the identification of the x-factor as K was around 2005 or so.

[@indefiance11]

We should rename it vitamin W in honor of his contribution to human health and prosperity

[@wattihrvolt-pn3pf]

Drawing conclusions from single studies, especially in terms of medicine is at least unreliable. The different dependencies are usually very complex and there can be hidden biases like lifestyle choices a lot of vegans have in common, that have effects that do not come from the diet and also just statistical deviations are often large. If you want to look at scientific results you should look for meta studies with proper selection criteria. Those are an extra check for biases and since the sum up a lot of studies they are also less voulnerable to statistical outliers. I know this is common in "sicence" yt but i hope maybe it gets better some day.

[@nomorenames5568]

>Drawing conclusions from single studies, especially in terms of medicine is at least unreliable. it can be, if the study is done poorly. It can also be a great way to draw conclusions if the study is done well. The replication crisis has made meta studies dramatically less reliable in recent years. If you didn't know, in many fields a majority of studies cannot be replicated and this isn't just limited to soft sciences although it is worst in those. If you do a meta study and look at a ton of studies it's very likely that you're looking at a ton of junk science so you get a junk analysis. Unfortunately many meta-studies do not take this into account so we've been compounding the effects of junk science more and more with the increase in reliance on meta-studies seen in recent decades. The wikipedia page for the Replication Crisis spells all this out quite succinctly with expert sources for everything if you want read deeper.

[@doigt6590]

There are a couple of examples of studies corroborating what other studies found that are mentioned in the video if you actually pay attention.

[@Weebdotexe]

how to tell people have not watched the video

[@Shamanniac1]

@@nomorenames5568 " It can also be a great way to draw conclusions if the study is done well. " Rofl... "say you have zero clue of how science work, without saying you have zero clue of how science work"

[@curtisCclarke]

I believe this is sponsored by the Diary, & Meat Industries.

[@katiehunter3532]

I've been a vegetarian my whole life and I'm perfectly healthy. Love cheese and cooking with my pet chickens eggs too much to go vegan! Also, Vegetarians seem a lot more level-headed than vegans. I went vegan for a summer with my step mom once but had to go back to vegetarianism after feighnting when I came back home. It's a lot more hard to be vegan!

[@C4rol5791]

The month I tried a vegan diet my body felt incredibly weak every single day, even though I did research all the nutrients I'd require and tried combining certain foods to get everything I need, made sure I got enough calories, used supplements too.. But nothing seemed to work, so I decided I shouldn't continue like this and became vegetarian again. Everything went back to normal.

[@faith.W]

Veganism is an ethical choice to abstain from animal products

[@Osc1llateW1ldly]

The month I tried a vegetarian diet my body felt incredibly weak every single day, even though I did research all the nutrients I'd require and tried combining certain foods to get everything I need, made sure I got enough calories, used supplements too.. But nothing seemed to work, so I decided I shouldn't continue like this and became vegan again. Everything went back to normal.@@C4rol5791

[@noname91784]

Anecdotes are not a replacement for legitimate research and cold hard facts.

[@Osc1llateW1ldly]

been saying that for years mate. On that note are you vegan yet?@@noname91784