Eating less Meat won't save the Planet. Here's Why

Big thanks to Dr. Frank Mitloehner for chatting with me. You can find him on twitter under @GHGGuru
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00:00 - Why are people saying Cows are bad for the planet?
1:14 - How much would Americans going plant based actually reduce GHG emissions?
2:56 - Do cows really take all the water?
4:53 - The real problem with water
7:01 - Do Cows really take all our Food?
7:53 - Livestock make the whole food system more efficient.
10:17 - Do Cows really take all our Land?
12:30 - You can't just grow whatever wherever.
13:54 - Why Global numbers are Misleading
15:45 - United States cattle are super efficient
16:48 - What about methane?
20:52 - Something more worth talking about than meat
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✍️ "DEBUNK" RESPONSE 🥩 / 51285771 📑 (PDF) - Here is my reply to a popular plant-based youtuber's attempt at "debunking" this video.
✍️Actually, there's been a lot of youtubers attempting to "debunk" this video. Here is my reply to another one: / 50919460 I'll get to the others as I have time.
🌎The discussion with Dr. Mitloehner was immensely helpful but for those of you worried that I'm relying on one source: plenty of research was done before and after our conversation. I double checked all of his points and they are all backed up by research that is not his own. (All sources are in the below link.)
🐄This video is talking about conventional beef, not grass fed beef.
🥩There's actually still a ton more to talk about that couldn't fit in this video, how many of you guys would like to see another video expanding on this topic?
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Also, check out the documentary "Sacred Cow" by Diana Rogers, narrated by Nick Offerman - well made, informative and engaging. The graphic design for the animation at 17:26 was based on an infographic from the Sacred Cow website - www.sacredcow.info/helpful-re... .
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[@WhatIveLearned]

✍️ "DEBUNK" RESPONSE 🥩 www.patreon.com/posts/51285771 📑 (PDF) to the youtuber "Earthling Ed" 's attempt at "debunking" this video. ✍️Here is my reply to another one: www.patreon.com/posts/50919460 I'll get to the other "debunkings" as I have time. 🌎The discussion with Dr. Mitloehner was immensely helpful but for those of you worried that I'm relying on one source: plenty of research was done before and after our conversation. I double checked all of his points and they are all backed up by research that is not his own. (All sources are in the description.) 🐄This video is talking about conventional beef, *not* grass fed beef. 🥩There's actually still a ton more to talk about that couldn't fit in this video, how many of you guys would like to see another video expanding on this topic? [SUBTÍTULOS EN ESPAÑOL]

[@jibjabby9964]

So real question is how do we lower/ eliminate food wastage. Any suggestions?

[@ThomasOrnell]

Really looking forward to digging into the sources, when will the pdf be out?

[@LLyrification]

Keep it up!!

[@keithncs_YT]

Srsly thank you so much, I had such a terrible perception toward the meat industry till now because of all the false media. I wonder why they'd share such nonsense to begin with? 🤔 Conspiracyyyyyy

[@roserose109]

@@ThomasOrnell he already said that he'll give the sources in the video description

[@ardentparagon159]

The fact that we are predominantly a coal powered world and cow farts are some people's biggest concern has me dumbfounded.

[@eduardolima8491]

Most americans know nothing about the country they live in, still they think they know everything about the whole world

[@williamlevy6964]

They will believe anything if it means they aren't the lone wolf that gets rejected. It's actually an age old form of mind control that they are under.

[@dododog5002]

ummmm isnt it the soil erosion also an issue lmfao

[@ebehdzikraa3855]

Vegan agenda at the finest, scamming the whole scientific community without getting noticed

[@ornu01]

​@@dododog5002Yeah, massive overproduction and reliance on fertilizer means we ruin the soil, an issue that grazing livestock doesn't tend to have.

[@myron1963]

So basically, the point is that it's very easy to mislead people with statistics

[@vindrue7194]

@@Anna-ln7hl why?

[@rexvagus]

"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics." - Mark Twain

[@danielsurvivor1372]

@twentyfivekgplants tomake1kgbeef Sources? Also damn, another "it's deh big meat industry" comment.

[@derekofoma5120]

@@Anna-ln7hl Sheesh, just gonna make that post with no supporting evidence? He actually took time to research this video, but let's all just agree with your 2 sentences backed by nothing.

[@serenabianchi1721]

yeah. the statistics portrayed in this video

[@pocok5000]

Nothing alone will save the planet. We have to change MANY THINGS SIMULTANEOUSLY

[@analyticofexistance7847]

I wholeheartedly agree with that. We definitely can't blame the meat industries alone for many issues. Though I still have concerns reguarding their involvement in land and water polulation with animal waste. Their management of animal waste is largely questionable.

[@bodhiapurva3887]

@@analyticofexistance7847Does that not get spread as a natural fertiliser on ploughed fields? Saving the planet from pollution, deforestation and exploitation of other species for food and profit is fast becoming too late to stop melting of the polar ice and the subsequent rapid rise in sea levels.

[@warthoggoulags1679]

NOT THE PLANET BUT THE ECOSYSTEM !!! LIFE WILL NOT DISSAPEAR top believing emotional propaganda...

[@sandhamitizer9706]

It's a shame that the only ones who can change it relatively easily are greedy, old degenerates who couldn't care less about the planet. They won't be around for it, so why would they care? Empathy? They don't have that.

[@IncognitoMode404]

​@@bodhiapurva3887bro has a point 🍷🗿

[@stanthebamafan]

The water argument is one of the dumbest ones. Cows literally just drink rainwater them pee it out a couple hours later. It’s not like they’re holding on to thousands of gallons of water forever.

[@ajuicejemas]

it's the water needed for the crops 'ya ding dong

[@Potentiallychaotic]

@@ajuicejemasits rain water it comes from the sky it will get to the plants lol

[@unfunnyperson2101]

Don't forget that a single cow can be used for a few dozen of hamburgers and not just a single one

[@notacringerblxuser]

pee is usually waste and excess fluid, you shouldn't drink your piss since its literally what your body spent energy on specifically to get out.

[@cultistaautista]

It's no use, their brains don't function well enough to stop imagining cows as containing some sort of a black hole that sucks up water irreversibly. A cow ultimately holds on to no more water than the margin between the dry mass of its organism and its total body mass at any given moment. The rest of the water that they need to live is excreted and reabsorbed into the ecosystem along with the fertilizing metabolites the plants need. (Spoiler : plants hold on to water too. Their inedible parts hold on to water too.)

[@bobrianfo104]

I work at a brazilian restaurant with an all you can eat buffet and the amount of food people throw away is insane. Clients that don't throw any food away are rare, while families with little kids are the worst they get extra plates full of food and always say stuff like "you know how children are! They eat with their eyes!". I grew up hating wasting food and there's so many ways to recycle leftovers too

[@jaytee213]

the thing is, as long as that food is going into compost theres very little harm done cause the nutrients is reused.

[@obnoxious_alien]

When I'm at a restaurant and have leftovers I always ask if they can be wrapped, so I can eat it later at home. I went eating with friends once and did that and when we walked outside they said it was embarrassing. I really don't understand why...it was a delicious small portion of chinese noodles, why should that go to the garage bin and I don't understand why was that embarrassing for them? I asked for my food to be packed, not theirs....I never went to a restaurant with them after that since I'm "embarrassing"

[@bobrianfo104]

@@obnoxious_alien it depends on the type of restaurant, in most restaurants that's perfectly fine but in an all you can eat restaurant you literally can't do doggy bags. Because the whole point of an all you can eat restaurant is that you eat as much as you can in one sitting for a fixed price so packaging leftovers is not economically viable because everyone could pack a whole meal to take home

[@obnoxious_alien]

@@bobrianfo104 Yeah you're right. I should have clarified that it wasn't a all you can eat, I definitely wouldn't do that. I always but a little less on my plate when I'm attending one just to make sure I don't grab stuff that will be thrown out.

[@HeidiSholl]

See, I prefer all you can eats, because I can portion size for myself, and actually finish my meal! Restaurants usually pile so much onto the plate, there's no way I can finish it, and a bunch gets wasted. But the people who pile high and they know they won't finish it bother me so much!

[@marksemple297]

do cows take all our water? no, Nestle does.

[@dush.1746]

Lmao, you win the comment section

[@kingkai5821]

Facts

[@Shindou04]

You forgot the soda companies like Coke!

[@littlecruelty1]

Actually they do in India. Animal agriculture is responsible for the explosion of livestock population. Entire fresh water ponds are used to bath cows and buffaloes. India is also the largest exporter of beef, so technically you guys are responsible for it, because you buy it.

[@Ryan36ist]

Exactly

[@milaopacich9371]

As a vegetation whose primary motivation is not environmental reasons, I found this very interesting. I would be choosing this diet with or without the perceived environmental benefit but I always wondered why some people make such a big deal about cow farts. I truly feel like big corporate polluters are trying to deflect the blame

[@jaredwright1655]

I wish more people were like this! I choose to eat organic produce whenever possible not because it gives me any better nutrition, but strictly for the environmental reasons. That doesn't mean I bike 100 miles to work every morning just to save some gas!

[@oruchemalu9315]

Bro he only considered the environmental impact of meat&dairy, what about turning animals who doesn't want to get killed into livestock & commercialized. Human meat also is very nutritious so why dont we commercialized humans into food & keep them in small cages.

[@onepunchflan3071]

​@@oruchemalu9315this isn't a great take in the subject

[@venerablebastard2064]

​@@oruchemalu9315 I'm not entirely sure about your rhetorics but ever heard of kuru? Prion?

[@vanillabatcave5677]

"As a vegetation" you carrot.

[@user-nb2ck5cb6y]

This is the perfect example of ''numbers don't lie, liars use numbers''

[@maxwell_edison849]

?

[@That7mad]

@@maxwell_edison849 It means that even though the stats aren't fake, people use them in a misleading way without diving deep into the context and other factors to keep in mind.

[@xtremeyoylecake]

@@That7madjust like what vegans do

[@dgjdtuvsth4051]

He just lied to you and you believe him, 🤦, that guy he interviewed is bought by the industry. And that study was funded by them.

[@CMDRScotty]

I always had a feeling they were passing the blame from industry, commercial, and residential pollution onto farms.

[@duncanmacleod7287]

They want to control the food supply.

[@ebehdzikraa3855]

No, they blame it into consumer for eating cow. Totally unrelated, but everyone belive it

[@renderproductions1032]

Like always, passing the blame onto who can’t fight back.

[@vaigest]

Who are "they"?

[@aerospyrosftw]

@@vaigest Anyone with a grain of power or authority

[@jonathanvuong551]

People should definitely be educated about both sides but most importantly to not waste food

[@groovydiphenhydramine9707]

Yeah i agree, i feel as though the people who are watching this are only taking away the fact that it’s ok to eat meat because of the reasons he discussed, but aren’t acknowledging the fact that stuff like animal abuse is a prevailing reason why a lot of people don’t eat meat.

[@lol.59493]

@@groovydiphenhydramine9707 He's literally talking about why not eating meat won't save our planet. He's not saying that mass murder of animals is ok.

[@ludvig3375]

@@lol.59493 facts

[@parcat5729]

Wasting food is haram

[@StardustLegacyFighter]

Underrated point, I honestly hate it whenever something gets wasted in my house. That being said it's minimal compared to what I've seen other people do.

[@elizachern7165]

I think the biggest arguement is that the big corporations are feeding soy to the lifestock. But the soy that they are being fed is being harfested very carelessly by chopping down rainforests (because they have nutricious ground) and when they harvested soy as much as the corporations could they move on and chop more rainforest and let the damage they did behind without putting any effort in restoring the ground they 'sucked dry'. And even though the rainforests are not the earths biggest co2 filters (the algae are) it is very problematic.

[@iriskd]

YES

[@alexshingleton7213]

The biggest issue with this argument is the 2nd biggest reason for deforestation of rainforests is to make space for cattle. They clear more rainforest for cattle farms than they do for soy.

[@berlingobob]

The answer is always somewhere in the middle. Less food waste yes, make sure animals get the organic food waste to recycle. But less livestock is a positive. The non crop land tat is for growing grass could be planted with trees to absorb greenhouse gasses. The best solution is something called agroforestry. Combine widely spaced trees all throughout every type of land. You can still graze and cut crops around trees and they keep the soil healthy. Combining trees throughout all agricultural land is the key. Also the horrendous cruelty to intensively farmed animal's has to stop. Lab grown meat or total free range should be the only options.

[@LalaSchaut]

I was searching for this comment, thank you!🫶 Food Forests are such an interesting topic! And although it is not in the topic of the video, I sometimes get the feeling that people forget how much animals in the industry suffer...

[@fazueli13]

😂

[@GuidoPerdomo]

I wished KZbin had a "Sort By: Controversial" in comments

[@Cabesandia]

Just sort by new.

[@karjedav]

Found the redditor.

[@adamsoderstrom1605]

😂😂

[@sunflower50sun]

@@karjedav seeing the word redditor makes me cringe

[@agentandy159]

And there should be a "controversial" button next to thumbs up

[@JonathanKayne]

This is why I hate wasting food with a passion. Whenever I am forced to discard spoiled food or a meal I can't finish or store as a leftover I feel like I've committed a heinous crime.

[@the_seeker.entity9206]

same plus it's just a waste of my money

[@alimanolfat5147]

Compost it or burn it

[@papasscooperiaworker3649]

@@alimanolfat5147 why

[@homoerectus744]

Heinous,eh?

[@natxon]

me too 😭 probably also because my parents don't like it when me as a child didn't finish my food

[@MrZnoman]

Thank you! Your final thoughts will be my "punchline" from now on: "Instead of meatless mondays no-food-waste wednesdays are more worth it."

[@amazinggrapes3045]

Wasteless Wednesday!

[@muysli.y1855]

We need more Organic meat not cheap meat, but we eat cheap meat in the US so meantless monday is a solution.

[@muysli.y1855]

We need more Organic meat, but we eat cheap meat in the US so meatless monday can be a solution but better is higher regulation for Animals and less imported meat from Argentine and India

[@plaguedr.crowvin3349]

I’d appreciate a no food waste Wednesday every day, let alone once a week.

[@LISTEDGames]

So what I learned from this video is that we as a civilization need to drive less, find out how to produce electricity without fossil fuels, and waste less food.

[@Alignedtop]

Nailed it, but we need to rethink our transport systems too.

[@gemainejl8875]

Bingo.

[@beccamusgrave6104]

Solar panels

[@VoisKaniress]

@@beccamusgrave6104 fusion reactors actually.

[@Chroniknight]

Pretty much. Doesnt matter what you eat so much as of it's more local ( less transportation to get ot to you)

[@ruslan_kasimov]

The most frustrating thing is that people will debate until death about meat vs no meat while fossil fuels exist

[@reaperman438]

And people will refuse use nuclear energy which is cleaner than most rebewable energy sources if you factor in getting the resources to build eveeything.

[@sharann3482]

Reaperman438 yh they don’t even Want to use it as a Bridge, (in Germany it’s more about Corruption through the Strong Energy Lobby who make more money out of Coal through government subsidies than through Nuclear)

[@jayknight139]

Nuclear is the way.

[@konstantinchu905]

@@reaperman438 the main thing people are scared of is the risk after seeing the terrible things in chernobyl, though with current technology I think the people vouching against it should take a look at the new technological advancements in terms of nuclear energy

[@tusk6400]

@@konstantinchu905 yea nuclear energy too risky

[@xXBLAKGOATXx]

I love how people can blame what people are eating when you can literally see polution pouring out of smoke stacks, vehicles, and land fills

[@Zellonous]

Often times that's just water vapor.

[@casperdewith]

I love the *Breath of the Wild* sound effects you sprinkled throughout. 7:54 hearts replenished 7:55 15:34 quest completed 10:48 15:44 quest updated / selected 12:37 save completed Many of them were also repitched, such as at 11:28. A varied diet is healthy, I suppose. 22:10 This assumes that these percentages remain the same. I don’t think it’s reasonable to take these percentages as a constant. Rather, I think the amount of produced food should remain a constant. And since we also keep eating the same amount of food, the amount of food we waste remains the same.

[@Zellonous]

Friend that heart sound effect is in more than just BotW.

[@casperdewith]

@@ZellonousOh yeah, I’m sorry, it’s in _Tears of the Kingdom_ too.

[@jeniffer7799]

"1/3 of all produced food is wasted" That shocked me on a whole other level. Edit: apparently some people wonder why it shocked me and why I didn't know that......

[@philiproler5572]

well to be fair we need at least a little bit 2 much food because that means everybody has 100% of what he needs. if we wouldnt have leftovers it means someone has to starve. but we definately can help reducing the amount of waste so that we get as close to the 100% as possible.

[@aleksa280]

@@philiproler5572 yeah but still someone starves even if we are overpoducing.

[@philiproler5572]

@@aleksa280 yeah it sucks but honestly im not sure if theres even a way to use the overproduction to help these ppl. id wish everybodys happy but things are so damn complicated. like how we need to overproduce but we cant ship that then to those hungry since it would just rot on the way. but one way to reduce the waste and help ppl is already used in germany. we call it the "tafel". ppl with few money get the allowance to get there food. for most part its food that would have been thrown away because its not "perfect" or food that has been donated. they just have to pay like 2€ and get a share of that food. so depending on how much food there is they get a big bag or even more.

[@hiiambarney4489]

@@philiproler5572 At least what's going to waste can make up for some nice fertilizer. The thing is technology is almost at a point where you can have machines produce food on demand.

[@philiproler5572]

@@hiiambarney4489 yeah should work as fertilizer. arent they doing that? well most food comes from fields and you cant rush that. so you have to plan to make a certain amount over the amount over the amount ppl will consume since part of the food cant be harvested because of bugs etc and then you still have to make sure to have more to sell than needed to make full profit and to make sure ppl wont starve.

[@digitalunity]

Take it from someone working retail, what we really need to stop is excessive packaging of goods. Do you have any idea how many Hangers get thrown away every year? Any idea at all? I don't even know how many I throw out myself, I lost count, it's maddening. Society is constantly looking for ways to blame the individual for the fault of corporate producers

[@bagel7080]

You took the words out of my mouth

[@tigervalley62]

Brilliant comment.

[@erigor11]

The individual is not only blamed for the fault of corporate producers, but also in order to cover the excesses from the wealthiest 0,1% (who casually tend to be the owners of such corporations).

[@KaiserMattTygore927]

Exactly.

[@marikaubi8509]

this comment needs to be pinned !

[@juliantreidiii]

The Military is the largest consumer of primary fossil fuel energy in the United States. Since 2001, the DOD has consistently consumed between 77 and 80 percent of all US government energy consumption.

[@strongtooth6411]

Thank you for making and posting this video! :)

[@VibhorSen1993]

As a person who grew up with family having a dairy business, i remember us feeding our cows only the wheat chaff that was human inedible and startch and grass during rains , neither of them could have been used by humans otherwise !!

[@TheAnnoyingBoss]

Idk why we dont capture the methane farts and then use it to power a powerplant. Put a big ol bubble over the field 😂

[@farmboycharlie6543]

@@TheAnnoyingBoss The number 1 green energy source in Wisconsin is methane collected from landfill sites but primarily from dairy facility digesters. Large caterpillar diesel generators running on fermenting cow poop

[@kosakionodera1050]

That's the case if tiny farms which are the minority

[@linkedlord343]

​@@TheAnnoyingBossexcept we do capture methane from dung using biogas plants

[@mattferancini8189]

Yeah bit that's no how cows are being fed worldwide. Wakeup bro.

[@agneswypior5191]

When my parents were young ,living in rural Poland, they didn't know what food waste was because everything that was left over or scraps ,was given to the farm animals. They didn't even waste the water after washing the dishes, they gave it to the cows yo drink because they didn't use washing up liquid.

[@aquibsayyed9186]

I don't like feeding washing water to cows but other than that yeah, they consume waste food and turn it into great edible food

[@monikamonia6250]

@@aquibsayyed9186 the washing water was only water with food scraps, no soap. My grandparents did it too

[@LtdJorge]

@@aquibsayyed9186 you can have a shitty polluted river near you and a very clean one 200m from you. The cows will choose the close one.

[@cautarepvp2079]

@@LtdJorge because its close to them, but if you take the cow and go to the river then they will drink that.

[@nonmihiseddeo4181]

I was going to make the same point about my great-grandparents in rural Kentucky USA. They didn't raise cows, but they did raise PIGS. Talk about no waste, pigs can eat anything. What came out of the pigs was fertilizer. Looking back on it, their farm recycled everything, before it was fashionable.

[@wobblewobbles]

A really different perspective to the current trending points out there that really got me reflecting. Thanks for putting this out into the world 🌎

[@sorry4all]

We have that no waste Wednesday here in Korea. School meals are usually more tasty and are comprised of menus students actually like so they won't throw it away as much.

[@scribblestudio2788]

As the famous joke goes: "We interviewed 100 people who played the Russian roulette, 100% of them survived. In conclusion, Russian roulette is safe!" Yeah, stats can be easily misleading...

[@maqyk4648]

I dont get it

[@eduardocontin]

@@maqyk4648 bro..

[@BiancaHuntPiano]

@@maqyk4648 They could only interview the ones who survived, since they can't interview the ones who died in the act, so obviously 100% of the people being interviewed survived. So calling it safe is false

[@rrangwooo]

In other words, survivorship bias

[@timothyyap5823]

it simply means people would rather say what they want to tell than to reveal what's actually happened

[@partycreeper1434]

Its surprising how many people forget about the water cycle. I give you genuine thanks for pointing out the obvious.

[@RipleySawzen]

And the carbon cycle with the methane. I'd never even thought of that. Cows are basically carbon neutral as far as that goes.

[@jackofblades8112]

@@RipleySawzen Every living thing is co2 neutral, it's basic sceince. Conservation of mass.

[@RipleySawzen]

@@jackofblades8112 Indeed, especially on the scale of how much carbon we're putting back into the atmosphere.

[@howlrichard1028]

@@jackofblades8112 That's not how it works. Mass is preserved, but matter is transformed. Yes, the carbon and the oxygen were already there, hut not as CO2, but in another form that doesn't cause the greenhouse event.

[@kongoulan]

@@RipleySawzen Methan is far more destructive in the atmosphere than CO², it's a climate killer.

[@zallesyn4686]

ty for the effort in making this vid and the links to the opposing side. its nice to see what both parts of the argument have to say. both give new perspectives that you don't really think much about

[@myounges]

I love how everything said here is based on the given that cows are grazing happily in the marginal lands in the USA. We all know how beef is raised nowadays in industry scale farms...

[@skellurip]

and people just believe it like a cow herded to slaughter house

[@justiar]

But do we know that rodents and birds are mass murdered in soy fields?)

[@iamsocoolz]

And it is calling attention to unhealthy industrialization and overconsumption that needs to be had, not an elimination of our most nutrient dense foods from the markets.

[@justiar]

@@iamsocoolz the fact that it took you 4 months to find a new argument to use instead of the old ones lmaoooo

[@muysli.y1855]

This is what i try to say we don't eat Organic meat. Our meat is cheap and harmfull to environment

[@thebk247]

No more plastic straws wrapped in paper, just paper straws wrapped in plastic 👍🏻

[@GOATaro_]

Upgrades, people. Upgrades.

[@dill7260]

Tom Macdonald nice

[@SupersuMC]

@Warinut We are not outmodes, we are not scrap, and we will not be treated like this!

[@isablame1263]

It’s still plastic. How about biodegradable bag?

[@isuccnewton2654]

also no paper straws. give us metal straws to wash afterward. i hate paper straws

[@zergisnotop]

Your idea with wasteless Wednesday is kind of a thing in Denmark. It is becoming standard practice to sell expiring food at a lower rate, stamping it with a "stop food waste" stamp. I always look out for these stamps, as these wares go for 50% or less.

[@catiemyers3429]

I wish we did that more here in the US. I TrY to do a leftovers day at least once a week here.....luckily we have ducks and chickens that will eat most of our scraps. We compost what we can for our little garden as well.

[@charliemarsh2957]

Yo, you need to come to the U.S. and tell our government about that lmao

[@zergisnotop]

@@catiemyers3429 Yes, just like WIL talks about, animals are essential for eating our food waste. You are effectively upcycling waste for egg and meat!

[@leafysoup501]

The video of dunkin donut chain throwing away hundreds of perfectly edible doughnuts comes to mind.

[@legendareNz]

Dutch supermarkets already sell products that are close to expiring by 35-50%. It doesn't have a specific day, it's every day.

[@luis-sophus-8227]

Now everything makes sense, even though I found some departments lacking in this vid, real thanks! :)

[@juanmiguelfrissatessa1950]

Amazing video, simple and straigth to the point. Well done.

[@harrison298]

I'm so glad you mentioned California almonds. It has always bugged me that these farms in the desert choose to grow some of the most water-intensive plants in existence, just because the water they get is taxpayer subsidized.

[@deek0146]

And rice too. Then they complain about water supplies.

[@avimae4225]

And those growers use high fructose corn syrup to wake up the bees to pollinate the trees...

[@benbosco7904]

I mean, it's a blue state. Shouldn't surprise anyone that weird laws shifting blame to others without actually addressing the issue exist.

[@DbeeSapphire]

I’m a Californian. The CA agricultural industry uses 80+% of the water here. While they now cut households once again. And our lakes, ground tables, reservoirs are all near depletion. In CA Orange County, Fullerton, there is a water reclamation facility that purifies black water for drinking use, but it has to put this water back into the ground table, and purify it again before people will drink it. But this black water purification is far cheaper than ocean desalination. Water reclamation facilities statewide should adopt back water reclamation. Btw, on the ISS space station, all liquids inclusive of sweat and urine are purified for drinking. Just saying.

[@CorgiCorner]

@@DbeeSapphire a lot of human waste is also used for fertilizer as well. Idky people want to live where they shouldn’t

[@Salma-tz3ee]

It's a tale as old as time: The corporations that are actually causing harm are shifting the blame...

[@44H44]

...exactly

[@phimolenacukh]

Lol why suddenly corporation out of nowhere? Even if everyone were vegan, we would still rely on corporation to provide food n other vegan stuff..... which ironically helped the vegans to sustain the veganism itself.

[@user-lm9zi7je8h]

You do realize corporations also produce vegetables?

[@K9Clyde]

Corporations make the meat

[@chicxulub2947]

@@phimolenacukh They want us all to go vegan because it's the most unhealthy way to go! Silicon Valley billionaires are called the "vegan mafia" because they created this trend! Not even after agriculture we started eating anything else more than animal protein... it was not only until the modernization came that we began to eat more vegetables than meat! And we drink milk since even before agriculture came along

[@crazydragy4233]

With how well researched the video is the implication that land that isn't exploited for human use directly is wasted is really disturbing...

[@SireScrubsalot]

I think something important to think about is not just how much our choices effect the environment but more importantly what type of message we send. If we show corporations that we care, in all aspects of our lives they will start to move toward more environmentally friendly options. Any one persons impact will never be much compared to companies, but in order to get them to listen we have to be the change we want to see. Also you don't have to go vegan just yknow, eat some lentils, don't buy so many hot dogs.

[@themaster8432]

The Food waste thing is truly a shame.. especially since those animals gave their lives for being wasted.

[@tilasole3252]

It is.

[@electrorage4158]

Vegans always talk about how it's awful to kill animals, but never about how it's awful to waste the delicious food.

[@tilasole3252]

@@electrorage4158 actually they do. Those going vegan, a lot will actually continue to eat what is in their cupboard and fridge that is animal related before going completely off it. The animal already killed prior to the change of ideals. The same with these animals. Once this wave is done, there would be no more, thus nothing to waste. Otherwise meat and dairy eaters just keep a perpetual cycle of cruelty and killing or being lazy and having someone do it for them. I know exactly what you meant by the way. It was cheeky.

[@electrorage4158]

@@tilasole3252 Oh okay that's cool

[@lorenapacora1526]

​@@tilasole3252 yes bc vegans go harvest their own vegetables dumbsht😂 they dont just wait for some inmigrant child to harvest their avocado for them that then is shipped to the usa contaminating way more

[@rafael.gerard-gierut]

A never ending battle of who is f***ing up the planet the most.

[@TheBelrick]

Or the lie that we are so that the Evil that stalks our lands can guilt/shame/fear their victims into accepting less liberty and handing over of resources and power.

[@Freakhealer]

hmm if this is a battle this video is a loss.. lol very poor

[@TheBelrick]

@@lennytriem1942 liberty is freedom to do anything including raising cattle mr muppet.

[@normaaliihminen722]

Because world is full of Snake oil/smear merchants along with charlatans.

[@absolstoryoffiction6615]

@@TheBelrick The CCP China: "This is America?... Pathetic." When the CCP is more sane than the dead nation of liberty... Why am I not surprised by the human race.

[@claek_]

It’s crazy how people look to find a scapegoat to blame global warming on and they chose to ignore the most widespread thing contributing to global warming ‘cars’. They ignore it because they like their cars/trucks and can’t imagine not having them, but they can with meat.

[@labow12]

This sounds like every vegan person was like "You have to stop eating animal products because of the environment!!!" which isn't the case (for most vegans). Every vegerterian/vegan person I know (me included) does it for a number of reasons but the biggest reason is usually that we don't want animals to suffer.

[@Egg-wt1pk]

​@@labow12Animals does not have human life. They suffer who care they are food.

[@pokerwiz101]

A crap ton of the water in SouthWest region of the US where a drought is taking place is going to grow alfafa which is used to feed cattle.

[@grantflippin7808]

For Saudi cattle, I have no idea how they can get away with it

[@saphfire6486]

Damn I wish I had this guys argumentative skills when im writing essays for school lmao

[@friedrichvonhoffmeister3343]

True or just talking to someone

[@saphfire6486]

Wow it’s almost as if I was making a joke about how writing essays are hard and some brain dead KZbin commenters can’t seem to understand the point of humor Plus I said ARGUMENTATIVE skills meaning his way of flowing from one topic to the next while also using evidence to support his claim, the entire point of my JOKE Maybe you should consider he fact that some people on the internet aren’t trying to start an argument every where they go. Stop looking for connections when there are none

[@blanceu9359]

@Hans Wurst Hans, go eat another wurst, you’re not yourself when you’re hungry ;)

[@Hoshino_szr]

You could start by fighting people here in the comments. Trust me, it's fun

[@HellenicMapper]

I know right lmao

[@josephdesousa]

I used to work for a crop protection chemicals company. There was a presentation once that 40% of crops are wasted because of insect or fungal damage, improper storage, inefficient transportation, unaesthetic looking produce

[@montolonzo3836]

can the cattle eat them? is it faster to turn manure into ferlitizer than raw trash to fertilizer?

[@johndoh1000]

SOMEONE DO A VIDEO ON THIS

[@TheParadiseParadox]

unaesthetic looking produce is one of my favourite kinds of produce

[@ayde92829]

@@montolonzo3836 I used to work on a cattle farm in Maine. No, The amount of time it takes to turn fecal matter into manure is not inherently more efficient than vegetable matter. However, it is not possible to composte large amounts of animal biproducts such as meat and intestines or all the organ meat that is wasted yearly from swine farming, or certain organ meats like cows brains (since it is illegal to sell in the united states for health reasons) However, mechanical creation of fertilizer through compression is a faster process and does not take or waste any straw. This method is more common in densely populated areas.

[@TC-V8]

@@TheParadiseParadox and it's cheaper!

[@areyouquinn]

Wow this is eye-opening, thank you for shedding light to this topic, and im shocked to see that this video was out 2 years ago?

[@Brandon-xp1ob]

Cows are supposed to eat one thing.. Grass. Not soy, not corn. All those things are sprayed with pesticides. Other than that great video

[@emergence8217]

we eat soy and corn directly too

[@olyguy2000]

Food waste really deserves its own video.

[@Nobody-Nowhere]

you mean capitalism? when you cant give away food because it would impact your profits, the real product.

[@snintendog]

@@Nobody-Nowhere no we mean shitty cities where food waste is at 99% of food brought in compared to the 30% in rural areas.

[@hellokewpie78]

Our Changing Climate makes the best videos for that!

[@Nobody-Nowhere]

@@snintendog Yes, capitalism. Where you need to waste food so you could keep them profits.

[@likedark6441]

I believe food waste is bigger issue instead

[@meowl2396]

In an era where wildlife has been limited to smaller and smaller areas due to the fact that humans keep taking land, calling land not used by humans "wasted" is a really weird thing to say.

[@megana5766]

It definitely is weird but I feel like a lot of the surrounding areas of these lands that would be “wasted” aren’t those that a lot of wildlife could/would necessarily live on. Even tho these lands might not be fully developed, they’re close enough in proximity to developed areas that wildlife may not be as present anyway

[@vivino100]

We're talking about land not used by humans but used to grow food for animals grown to feed humans. Simples

[@mohsenvh3619]

Sure, kill like one 3rd of the population on earth and we won't need those lands, right now, if it's not growing food, it's wasted

[@daviddavidson5961]

I feel like it’s a fair measure. If it’s not under the control of humans, then the emission from it are not benefiting humans and thus the emissions are wasted.

[@hirnlos9462]

@@mohsenvh3619 Thats why incrising the effinency (that means, kalories/unit land) is important. one way to achive this is by eating vegetabels, not the cow that ate 9 times as many vegetables to produce the same amout of food. (there exist vegetation and junk that can be used by animals, but not by humans directly. But the vast majority of livestock is feed by crops espacialy grown to feed livestock) And land not used direktly to produce food is not wasted. e.g. it can bind carbon emissions, sink water from heavy rain events, sustan species (e.g. bees) that are very relevent to our survival, and many aspects more that we do not fully understand.

[@aasimyousaf2455]

This is why it's always important to get all perspectives. You are not going to get any of this information from just watching pro-vegan channels and documentaries

[@skellurip]

yeah by listening directly from a lobby group spokeperson "According to internal University of California documents reviewed by The New York Times, Dr. Mitloehner’s academic group, the Clear Center at UC Davis, receives almost all its funding from industry donations and coordinates with a major livestock lobby group on messaging campaigns."

[@colinmarry7685]

This is a brilliant video. Well done. I had read all of this information before as well as been thinking about it like this myself but had never heard it put so well and clearly in a video. I am also working on developing a video along these lines but with a slightly different angle but many points are similar.

[@LongLiver]

21:09 I’ve spent time in South Africa in a region that grows large amounts of citrus, specifically oranges. It rained shortly before the harvest when the oranges were still on the trees, and this leaves a small water mark but affects the fruit in no way whatsoever. One farm alone had a few hundred tonnes of oranges that wouldn’t be accepted by European buyers, so they were just excess waste produce. Thankfully the farm gave them out for free to anyone who would take them, and the place I was volunteering took 8 tonnes of them to feed to the animals. Those 8 tonnes were a comparatively small truckload compared to some of the trucks taking them. It’s the perfect standards that produce is held to that causes the problems. Imperfect looking produce gets thrown away or can’t be sold in supermarkets. Sell by dates scare people into throwing produce that is a day over its date, despite it just being slightly lower quality.

[@usedtoberyanpoopnownormal8822]

Imperfect of odd looking fruit gets passed down to processing the fruit where appearance doesn’t matter, juices, pie and anything with fruit. Gotta say that livestock is a life saver when it comes to handling food waste.

[@maximtsai1856]

Imperfect produce sometimes gets bought up by restaurants or factories who then convert them into more pleasant looking products. Baby cut carrots being the biggest example of ugly carrots getting shaved into presentable ones, and the shavings are then used as animal feed.

[@d.bcooper2271]

@@maximtsai1856 No

[@witthyhumpleton3514]

That sounds quite bizarre to me, the French have specific reductions on misshapen fruit. I know that they dye their oranges orange in the US, since they associate the green colour that sometimes remains in spots with being unripe.

[@tiddybearkush]

The people in Europe that don't want to accept those oranges are "vegan people".🤣

[@yummy8074]

*What I've Learned* from this video is that people like to think of numbers like they are all same.

[@SpiritBox_]

Numbers are literally all the same. It's humans that give numbers value

[@joshgoldstein8309]

@@SpiritBox_ bro stop trying to act smart u don’t know what ur talking about

[@calin6327]

@@joshgoldstein8309 he is right though, numbers dont have value by themselves.

[@93rwolf]

@@calin6327 Quantity is an inherent property of reality. Numbers are just a way for us to properly express the quantity of an object. Numbers and quantity are fundamental to reality and are by law of nature, different from eachother as well as immutable unless forced to change by some force acted upon them.

[@joshgoldstein8309]

@@93rwolf finally someone who gets it

[@lexbotkin3100]

This guy is definitely getting money from the animal agriculture industry.

[@justiar]

Vegans when they are out of arguments:

[@royhamill5719]

You can grow beef with grass only. The only time you should give cows, sheep or goats any grain is when they are having hoff problems. These 3 don't eat anything we can eat and mow the lawn and eat the underbrush that we would have to use fuels to keep under control.

[@karalyzel3177]

One of the things that upsets me the most about this is how much food goes to waste before even making it to a table. Grocery stores and supermarkets throw out so much food every year, and a lot of that food is in more expensive things, like meats. Some studies are showing 43 BILLION pounds of food are just thrown away every year, all for the psychological effect of a plentiful shelf bringing people back to shop more often. Why are we so focused on the land used or the emissions of the food we buy while half of what stores sell ends up in landfills?!

[@danielkatzman3406]

Another example is the army. In Israel army the amount of food that is being wasted is huge. And it's not even being donated.

[@foxnym]

Plus there are not many organizations that donate food waste for people in need

[@jimwally6520]

This is deliberate policy on the part of government agencies like the USDA. They subsidize overproduction on purpose. If you don't have extra food, you run the risk of famine when there are supply disruptions. If you do have extra food, some of it will always go to waste.

[@Noodlepunk]

I have started OMAD.

[@fabianm.4217]

I worked at a supermarket and yes they do get rid of so much food!!! Meats that could have just been frozen before the Best Buy date, veggies and fruits with small dents or bruises. I was trained to get rid of food with the slightest imperfections just so that I can look like I am working.

[@trakmas9915]

Alternative solution : we should eat enough but not more than needed and reduce our food waste (like for example fast foods that throw away leftovers)and we should eat more locally. We should also stop wanting perfect fruits and vegetables leading to a huge amount of edible food being wasted because we are being picky. And also, eating less meat still helps the planet but its interesting to see that stats can be easily misleading and we should focus our attention on how our society acts vis a vis food products.

[@iwantiedema33]

Stop buying in bulk. Buy food on a 2 or 3 day basis

[@helenva382]

@@iwantiedema33 Depends, I buy once per week and I actually consume less that way and food is not left over either. Usually I buy more than I need when I buy food more often. So honestly it depends on the person, if you don't know how much you consume in a week you might up buying in bulk, but I find that I buy less instead so it's not a rule.

[@helenva382]

@@iwantiedema33 For example instead of planning a meal for 1-2 days I plan meals for the entire week (etc I can use this leftover rice for tomorrow's meal also)

[@el0o]

4Head

[@toxicfoot6792]

Blame the companies packaging they over pack stuff I really hate wasting food so I always eat leftovers next day.

[@RownowUlti]

Me clicking to justify my meat-eating habits and leaving with a better understanding of one of the billians of ways corporations and carelessness has fucked us over

[@Punias]

Society has fallen so low we have to justify why we eat so much meat.

[@mysticcr8tor773]

My father is big about not letting not letting food be wasted, and his mother runs a sheep farm. The sheep each alfalfa (hay), and you would never be able to consume it, and the sheep also live on mountains for weeks to months eating random stuff that again, humans could never eat. And if you know anything about mountains, is that they are horrid for trying to grow crops. The sheep also live in a desert for months as well (not like a super sandy one, just a place with little water). So if you aren't convinced from the video, this should be enough evidence to back it up. :)

[@sasharodriguez384]

I never thought i would see a graphic of a cow pissing

[@zacmann7850]

And you probaly won’t again. enjoy you day

[@AlternativeReality]

From eating dry hay

[@WhatIveLearned]

@@AlternativeReality When forage is cut, it has 75 to 80 percent moisture and must be dried down to 60 to 65 percent moisture content for haylage and down to 14 to 18 percent moisture content for hay (lower figures for larger bales)

[@AlternativeReality]

@@WhatIveLearned right! Yeah exactly. It's funny how they had the cow pee after eating dried hay.

[@snintendog]

@@AlternativeReality you must be from an alternate reality where the digestive track works without breaking down the food into byproducts one of a dried solid lumps the other soluble into water...Man I wish i lived there shitting and pissing sucks.

[@ilona4314]

I used to work at a small bakery and its crazyyy how much was wasted every single day. They literally wouldn't let us take anything home and when a friend organized a food bank they even denied that smh

[@toosikk1826]

Its the same in the restaurant business trusts me

[@madisonperry7447]

They wouldn’t let you take home the baked goods that didn’t get sold? I work at a cupcake shop, the closing retail people always take home or give away what doesn’t get sold that day.

[@dazcar2203]

There's this café/coffee shop chain called pret a manger and they donate all leftover food to homeless shelters at the end of every day. Idk if they are in America but I always try to support them.

[@TheRagingAura]

See here's the capitalist reason why companies don't do that. If workers knew they could take home wasted food, they'd purposely make extra food so that there would be waste to take home. Companies would consider that wasted money so they don't want that to happen. They'd rather waste food than risk more money spent on food that isn't really wasted. And yes, I know there are situations where food is gonna be wasted anyway, but they don't care, it's the principle of the matter to them.

[@tjellis1479]

bakery=fakery=diabetes

[@bruh_8129]

im hearing way too much "go vegan!! dont use cars!!!" and not enough "giant corporations cause 80% of carbon emissions"

[@matbarbosa_]

My best friend has a really strong belief in veganism. Even if I would present these arguments to her, she would simply not care. Unfortunately, while presenting the truth, there will still be people who don't want to listen. The lesson I learned from this video is: Instead of doing a no-meat day. Start doing a no-food waste day.

[@sinuhezarzuelero6054]

The general takeaway from this is: "Don't take statistics at face value. Look deeper and you'll find that there's a lot more nuance to it than what they're telling you." EDIT: That applies to this video, too. I'm certain What I've Learned would expect it of us to follow up on all the information given in this video ourselves by doing our own research and arriving at our own conclusions.

[@arcguardian]

Aka use critical thinking instead of w/e is trending.

[@eleborebeta791]

​ @arcguardian i tryed and i am still not convinced by that video on some points, like comparing rice and steak. yep, maybe better than comparing watter and foi gras.

[@parker5548]

Eh, agreed as a general rule, but much of this video feels clearly spun in favor of animal agriculture

[@natures1stgreen240]

Most of what I watched was a flat out lie, I’m from a feedlot town and my dad works for the feedlot in water management, this video is lying.

[@jackhanma2342]

@@natures1stgreen240 why is it lying?

[@JHa-se7or]

When you got to the section about the kind of land that livestock use, my old rural brain I haven't used in over a decade ticked over and said, "Not all land is equal. You can raise cattle on land you'd never plow over."

[@ljuc]

That's what he said...

[@okman9684]

Cattle grazing does make land infertile. That's a big reason for deforestation in Africa. Most of the animals in the world don't get fed by leftovers but by crops separately farmed for them. You can google it.

[@katrinab7657]

​@@okman9684that doesn't sound right. I thought if you rotate sites, don't overgraze, and manage the pastures, cattle would add to the environment. I mean, manure alone should make for super fertile land.

[@offifee8022]

@@katrinab7657 Animal farming CAN be sustainable. But not in the current scale. We really need to reduce the animal products we eat (and generally buy, It's Not only food).

[@asperspec9956]

@@offifee8022 we really need to reduce the amount of grains we eat, and generally use. Not only food. Watch the video. 1Kg of meat is not the same amount of food as 1Kg of rice. 200g of meat can easily be your only meal for the day, while 200g of rice will leave you hungry an hour or two later.

[@deeegenerate474]

I watched this video and was impressed with the ideas here… until I looked up Dr. Frank Mitloehner (the only scientific source in that video). Dude has received a ton of funding funding from the commercial meat industry… He’s a really sketchy source. If you look him up, you’ll get the idea.

[@skellurip]

whoa we don't need to learn about that we just want our consumption of stuff to be justified

[@romanallgeier4661]

I watched this without audio or subtitles but the visuals alone make it very easy to understand

[@dravendfr]

This is why statistics need CONTEXT!

[@giin97]

Yep. There's was a violent crime statistic being bandied about a few months ago, areas reporting as high as a 400% increase in violent crime! That little town went from 2 violent assaults the year before, to 8.

[@theholytoilet6668]

@@giin97 Which town was it?

[@giin97]

@@theholytoilet6668 been to long, I don't remember. Just remember how comical it was for them to describe it that way.

[@flansillon4586]

Yes, like in 16:45 where they say that in the us producing is more efficient without mentioning that that's because of the specific breed of cows they use to get milk😐

[@pasta8709]

That wouldn't fit.

[@alapi6180]

I have a dad that grew up on a dairy farm and a mother that grew up in a couple third world countries. I have always been taught to only throw food away if it is growing mold or if it could genuinely make us sick. I was stunned when I was at a friend’s house and she just scraped half of the food on the plate into the trash. And about all the land cows take up, that could be valid in say the UK, but have you ever seen rural America? There is an unfathomable amount of unused land. Also important to bring up- most people on the news reciting data are not scientists, they are activists.

[@frozenyogurth]

Same I'm hate throwing away food. It's wild that some people throw out package sealed food, just because it has gone past expirationdate.

[@anhduc0913]

@@frozenyogurth it's how the industry work. The food activists are idiots, and not only that, but likely orchestrated by individuals paid by the fossil fuel industry. Have anyone protest the excessive use of fossil fuels? No. Because we are all part of it, and we know it. Nuclear energy is feared and hated by a generation of cold war threats, and those fossil fuels companies know it, and taking advantage of it. It's sickening to see people fearing an explosion while the solar power make tons of waste and coal plants make the land around them inhabitable, or cause all kind of lung cancer and ventilation problems.

[@SlygothaTheBroodmother]

If everyone able to had a few chickens, table scraps could go towards feeding them. It drives me bonkers to see food waste tossed when it could be composted or fed to animals instead.

[@twirlanta2250]

i agree, in my household nothing is thrown away even though i would say we are financially "comfortable". throwing away food doesn't make sense and morally hurts me. And in case we know some of the left overs probably wont get eaten we put them in containers and hand them out to the homeless and poor. I'm not trying to say I'm better than anyone all I'm trying to do is make you reconsider throwing away those leftovers, some people genuinely live in famine.

[@noire.blackheart]

Whenever someone tells you, "just do less of whatever you're doing", and that will save the planet, probably won't save the planet. Pretty much a lazy excuse.

[@knivesjugglingkid1178]

40% of USA's food ends up not eaten? Damn, they have obesity epidemic eating almost only half of the food.

[@johnalexander5777]

In life, we have varying degrees of control. Veganism is 100% a choice. Not owning a car is perhaps less of a choice.

[@firebirdstark]

It’s basically a battle of the industries, and we’re just pawns and cheerleaders for them

[@Demon_Lord_Coom]

That's why I just want to live rural off the land away from it all.

[@egg9605]

This is scary..

[@jkeeney2010]

This is true. The more people that see this the better more knowledgeable decisions we can make. Look at who funds the studies and research you're looking at.

[@skugra]

True, the save Ralph is also is the same patterns, why tell us to not use beauty product that test on animal instead of totally stop using beauty product? It can save environment if we all stop use beauty products!!. Oh right, if people stop using all beauty product then they can’t make money too.lolololol.

[@Antisthenes1]

So true

[@pedrolmlkzk]

"numbers will confess to anything if you torture them" -a physics professor

[@lawrencemurakaru1591]

Wow

[@Sx-xy2zi]

Beautiful

[@bernardeugenio]

this video is a great example of it. The "non-edible" could become fertilizer. Manure that is pollutant if not dealt properly woudnt even be needed. It could also become biofuel or plastics too.

[@becquerel3217]

that works both ways

[@c6q3a24]

@@bernardeugenio No. The non-edible DOES become fertilizer... and meat, eggs, dairy, and leather. Some of it COULD also become biofuel or plastics - which would require more investment of energy and other resources.

[@jeffbenton6183]

The fact that so many people in the comments are talking about food waste is encouraging. It shows that they actually watched the whole video.

[@yermandy]

You skipped thousands of studies, interviewed one person, and made some judgments. Bravo 👏

[@skellurip]

and one who is paid by giant meat industries

[@asteroidalassassin6949]

The overloading of all the blame for our environment will always be directed at the regular consumer.

[@LongLiver]

The term carbon footprint was made up by BP. You’d expect it to be an eco organisation that’s trying to point out waste, but it’s actually a term made up by BP so that the consumer feels responsible. They tell you that you’re responsible for what seems like a huge amount of pollution, meanwhile they’re polluting vastly more as a company. Then they go and create ecological problems such as oil spills from oil drilling, earthquakes from fracking, droughts from over consumption of water.

[@leonsage6806]

But in a way the companies are making things for the consumer, right? So doesn't that mean that the consumer is responsible, and that consumers should alter their lifestyles to ultimately reduce carbon footprint? Not arguing, I'm not too knowledgeable on the subject.

[@Quote_Cannon]

@@leonsage6806 You're partially right (not all the oil and energy produced by big oil companies end up at the end user), but in the end, what'll be easier? Convincing billions of people to give up their personal comforts for a cause bigger than themselves, or forcing one big oil company to restrict their pollution emission?

[@leonsage6806]

@@Quote_Cannon I suppose regulations would make it easier to reign in corporations than the public. Imagine filling one big hole, or a billion tiny holes... which do you think would be easier?

[@GTSN38]

Only solution I see is to reduce the population by 75% that of course isn't going to happen. We're just going to keep using everything up and stepping on each other until the end comes.

[@lecoureurdesbois86]

I'm not worried about the planet and cows. I'm worried that people believe not eating red meat will save the planet and the reasons why all this is being promoted.

[@therealspeedwagon1451]

And not eating meat makes you a pussy.

[@Ch1mbly]

It’s definitely the vocal minority so you’re going to keep hearing it

[@Ch1mbly]

@Apenas eu did you not watch the video?

[@paulallen1370]

@Apenas eu Yeah, but avoiding red meat isn't going to do nearly as much as you think it will do.

[@tiddybearkush]

That's my worries too.

[@xenomorphbiologist-xx1214]

All of these arguments about cows taking all the food and drinking all the water and causing pollution, etc could also equally be applied to humans

[@jamesmylife6578]

But there’s also the land deforested to make room for farms. This would more or less be used for agriculture but the almond trees and others like almond would definitely have a better impact.

[@hazb8026]

Yes this video totally ignores that. Its easy for developed nations to claim low co2 because they cut down their forests years ago. Its the deforestation that drives the huge co2 prints and we need to deforest so much to provide the cow feed. They are not just fed waste

[@crazydragy4233]

​@@hazb8026 Not to mention how countries with biggest environmental destruction for farming intensity export the majority of their product to more development nation like Brazil with it's beef and soy industry burning the Amazon... The video also implies that land that isn't used for farming is wasted and completely misses the point that if we have millions of tonnes of wood waste it means we farm more than we need and throw out huge excess... which would reason we need to farm less? 💀

[@hazb8026]

@@crazydragy4233 yeah the video is trash and filled with these intentional ommissions. They only decent point that is made is at the beginning about water usage.

[@lcm4546]

there isn't ONE thing that can save the planet, but there are MANY things that we can do to make our planet a better place for everyone. It's all about efficiency, knowledge and balance

[@jakkonexus1166]

Exactly, and eating almost zero beef (it's the least efficient one) and less meat in general it's one of them.

[@axxura5286]

funny thing is the planets fine the people living on it are the ones screwed

[@lcm4546]

@@axxura5286 yes, you are right! Maybe I should have written "the planet", instead of "our planet". We, humans, need to understand that Earth is not our property, we are just living here and ultimately, we are living thanks to it.

[@thoughtsendprayers9712]

@@jakkonexus1166 you think so? Grazing animals prevent desertification of marginal land. That land would require a lot of diesel fuel, pesticides, and chemical fertilizer to produce crops if the beef cattle were taken out of the equation.

[@user-ep1ks2pq5r]

The planet doesn't need any saving. It'll continue just fine long after we're extinct.

[@colonelsanders1617]

I will say, a lot of times percentages can be misleading, on both sides. Percentages are easily manipulated into sounding worse or better than they actually are

[@adriano3424]

You can make numbers say what ever you want

[@linuszarrouk2004]

True

[@woomynation]

exactly, I could see a lot of obvious misleading data that this video is exposing but just as much or maybe even more manipulated data in this video. btw I don't think people should stop eating meat even though I don't eat red meat, but the video is very misleading as well.

[@Udumbra]

@@woomynation Don't mean to sound rude but I genuinely want to know what's misleading about the video

[@2s4in28]

@@woomynation he wasn’t saying they use all non arable land, he’s just saying that a lot of the land is not usable for growing crops and that livestock is better than nothing on it

[@blogshagify]

The fact so much food is wasted is what's really disgusting here.

[@heronimousbrapson863]

Historically, people who lived a sizable distance from tropical regions had to eat meat as plants didn't grow year round. Even today, to consume a healthy and varied vegan diet year round in temperate latitudes requires a sizable expenditure of energy to transport, freeze or can the food. Only a few crops can be successfully overwintered, and the quality isn't always optimum.

[@Justinegallows]

the same argument applies to meat, so this is irrelevant

[@KwabenaOfori13]

So we're actually diverting our attention from fossil fuel. Oil companies must be happy with the "eat less meat" campagne.

[@davis2805]

You’re right about that my friend

[@theswissgirl6521]

Maybe they are the ones that are spreading this trend all along. Not to sound like a conspirator but I would not be surprised, they have the money and power to do so

[@josecat436]

Plants require massive machines and tractors, harvesters etc. They also grow seasonal so they have to be shipped globally from other countries to make sure you have it fresh everyday. Yes they do depend on massive amounts of fossil fuel especially if the whole population turns to craving fresh fruits and vegetables in every meal every day abusing the natural seasonal production

[@drissalaoui103]

@@theswissgirl6521 i agree this has taken the spotlight from fosil fuel and narative changed and it's so well done it's hard to be not mislead

[@nmz3450]

@@josecat436 Both crop and livestock agriculture is damaging to the environment due to unsustainable practices, it's not about demand for meat it's how it is supplied but the same can be applied to plants

[@sarcasm-aplenty]

It's awful just how much food does go to waste when people are starving regardless.

[@samthecutewolf9433]

Yes. Here in Portugal if you produce more oranges than you should they will literally make you burn them all. It’s crazy. And a lot of people would be begging to have those oranges to eat. Not to mention we have to do our best not to waste food even if we can’t achieve perfection. I’m a vegan and once I accidentally bought something that had eggs on it. Even if it went against my morals I gave it to my mother because although I hate the consumption of eggs (and other animal products) I could never waste something merely for moral beliefs.

[@TheAdventurerAndDiscoverer]

We’ll. Lots of vegetables wasted here in Philippines. How do you eat food like when you’re already full but you have to eat it to not waste food? Also that Nikocado guy…. really annoying.

[@sphereyahya]

@@TheAdventurerAndDiscoverer you know about nikado avocado?

[@burgernthemomrailer]

What’s the difference between wasting it and shitting it back out? Do I just ship it overseas to the people who want it?

[@thelongestcomment4536]

starving people in some developed country like USA can be solved, but if they came from undeveloped country like Africa, it may not possible mainly because there is not much farm there and transport food from developed country to there took a big cost

[@blogshagify]

It's not something you'd ever convince most people to do anyhow. And why would a person think what McDonald's sells is meat? It's a science project.

[@rimjhimsingh8345]

There's this Netflix documentary released recently by the name "You are what you eat: A twin experiment" which talks about the benefit of vegan food on humans and on the planet. Now we as consumers, which information do we believe?

[@peachmint2228]

Hi! I' from Chile, here natural water from rivers are deviated to prodice avocado and our land is drying so fast, there's people without access to water due to the avocado industry, PLEASE DO NOT BUY CHILEAN AVOCADO IF YOU SEE THEM IN YOUR COUNTRY

[@RudolfJvVuuren]

Okay

[@ravenestrella2310]

Thank you for bringing this to my attention! I will most certainly be keeping an eye out, and not purchase them if I see they’re grown from there!

[@jamesriley3176]

Yummy avacado

[@winandmestebeld]

And let them go to waste?

[@nikaswords17]

I think in Israel where a lot of avocados are grown for the European market, they already found a more sustainable way of growing avocados by reusing water 💪 maybe that will be a future solution for South America as well

[@alexandrecruzado6659]

I wonder how many liters of coffee went into the production of this video

[@kabeerrajoria]

lmaaaao

[@chilirum1061]

Underrated comment.

[@Radimkiller]

I don't think joseph drinks coffe, maybe green tea.

[@RAF-cc1ng]

Don't worry, all them coffee will return to the ground when he takes a pee

[@Leto85]

Someone had to say it. XD

[@soniology]

One of the greatest video I’ve seen on youtube

[@RichardDuncan-ju1xk]

If one burger takes 660 gallons of water a cow would be the size of an aircraft carrier, lol.

[@offifee8022]

It's Not only what the cow drinks ;)

[@RichardDuncan-ju1xk]

@@offifee8022 Oh really? What is it then?

[@offifee8022]

@@RichardDuncan-ju1xk Mainly the food that is grown for them. Because the smallest amount of beef comes from Grass-fed cows. And of the grassland, a huge part is also gained by destroying nature for it. I am Not saying that beef or meat is Generally not sustainable. But the amounts we eat, or better, produce definitely is not. Best would be If we all buy animal products only in small amounts (If at all) and If, watch where they come from :)

[@RichardDuncan-ju1xk]

@@offifee8022 So you didn't watch the video, where everything you just stated was shown to be nonsense.

[@Dankboi420]

Sees the title Yeah this is going to be interesting

[@wp5361]

First

[@Victoria-on8we]

Diego

[@Victoria-on8we]

Diego. You not The first

[@Victoria-on8we]

Stop

[@wp5361]

@@Victoria-on8we yes I am

[@adamanderson7761]

I feed my fruit & vegetable scraps/waste to my chickens, and they convert that into eggs. It's a beautiful cycle.

[@WhatIveLearned]

Mufasa would be proud

[@xenithsanguine]

You are still exploiting animals. Try learning how to compost instead. It's extremely easy.

[@JC-vp7pd]

@@xenithsanguine Isn't compost food scraps/uneaten food?

[@xenithsanguine]

@@JC-vp7pd Yes, it can be one of the major ingredients. Why?

[@xenithsanguine]

@@WatchStuffWithMe What you just used is called an appeal to futility logical fallacy. Just because horrible things happen does not mean you have the right to continue perpetuating those horrible things. 80/20 rule. Stop horrible things happening in the easiest most practicable way possible (what you stick in your pie hole) first, then solve the other smaller problems that are harder to solve. You can in fact make the world a better place. You just got to be smart about it. We can tackle those other problems after you convince yourself to stop hurting animals for taste buds.

[@carolanndenton5933]

all breeds of cows wild or domesticated across the globe including oxen..= "man's best friend" !!

[@Alkis05]

Marginal land might be only usable by livestock, but that is not the reality when most of livestock in the country is grain fed, which isn't grown in marginal land.

[@SplashBlox]

98% of people are not farmers and probably 96% of people probably think to make crops grow you just throw seeds on the ground and they will grow without problems.

[@lofdraws7006]

Ah yes, only farmers can have an opinion on farming This can literally be used against any opinion Regardless of profession stats don’t lie and the stats continue to lean towards vegansim

[@Redshirtgaming96]

@@lofdraws7006 Yuck

[@ZlatnoPeroTV]

​@@lofdraws7006in which delusion is that true?

[@balazsvarga1823]

Well then vegans can eat all of the wheat. Even the roots and leaves. Perhaps they'll evolve multiple chambered stomachs... Vegans are uninformed cattle.

[@offifee8022]

Could be. But the thing is, most crops are fed to animals. So all the issues of crop farming come on top for the majority of animal products, where the animals are Not fed grass from existing and Not more sensfully usable grassland and leftovers.

[@chinito398]

Fishing has a HUUUUUUGE impact on our oceans ecostsystems. Everyone please take that into consideration.

[@tanujsharma478]

Yup, around 50-70% of all the plastic waste in the ocean is fishing nets. The European nations has almost killed all the fishes near their country and are now plundering the African continent for their resources. I mean, what else do we expect from these nations who colonised and, hence, exploited a major part of the world.

[@Crayolasillyboy]

Ha you think I can afford fish

[@mmmmmmmm1942]

That's true but fish is VERY healthy. We need to be more sustainable

[@bartacus2836]

Watch Seaspiracy my friend

[@sepro5135]

Yeah, overfishing is really dumb because fish populations can restore themselves very fast, as long as we keep enough of them. If we reduced the consumption, just by, for example, requiring people to fish more humane, the impact would be way smaller and a lot less additional sea animals would die

[@iriskd]

the video doesn't consider the deforestation taking place, in order to clear space for crops like soy to feed to cattle. big companies such as MacDonalds fund this so they can produce large amount of cheap beef, so i think a more realistic solution would be to buy beef from cows which haven't been fed crops from this system. there is no issue with growing crops on otherwise 'wasted land' but we need to address that typically huge areas of forests, such as the amazon, are being cleared for this cheap beef industry.