veneering column with Old Brown Glue

[@mikejose8966]

I realize this is old, but it showed up in my suggestions list and I have to say that the use of the thera-band is ingenious.

[@christiandolan4421]

OMG... all the gear and NO idea!!!!! You made that look like such hard work. We just love you DIY cabinet makers

[@3815utah]

Christian Dolan thank you. It actually is not that hard and it’s (for us at least) a lot of fun to do.

[@o2bsam]

Such a satisfying process. The finished repair is beautiful. Thanks guys.

[@3815utah]

Thank you very much!

[@georgekeenan3531]

Really well done thank you ..also just love your plane collection

[@3815utah]

Thank you!

[@periodcraftsmen]

Patrick and Patrice as usual an amazing video and a amazing product. This is perfect timing for I am getting ready to veneer a column for a customer!!!!.

[@3815utah]

Here you go! Post the result on the ASFM page we want to see it! Cheers

[@LostMountainRestoration]

Great video and great work! Thanks for sharing your knowledge.

[@3815utah]

+Lawrence Jackmin Thank you very much!

[@rick91443]

Thank you. Really enjoyed your video and am looking forward to others. Have NEVER veneered anything but am anxious to try a little. Live in Normandy and antique furniture is everywhere...rr

[@3815utah]

+Richard Rider Great. Where are you in Normandie?

[@rick91443]

+3815utah Walking distance from "le Haras du Pin," dans l'Orne...

[@rick91443]

+Richard Rider And am originally from the bay area. Noticed you were in San Diego...Small world...rr

[@3815utah]

+Richard Rider My sister lives in Caen

[@rick91443]

+3815utah Son will be attending university there next year; just a hop skip and a jump from us(the big city,) we live on a small farm. Have been viewing more and more your videos. I am just an amateur woodworker but the more I learn(also have a friend down the road who is an ebeniste,) the more I appreciate the "art" of traditional furniture making...rr

[@mwilson70201]

Great tutorial Patrick. It's strange how a technique that was once used on the finest furniture fell into disrepute with the advent of the industrial age. This bears no resemblance to the mass produced veneered pieces turned out in the last century and illustrates the level of craftsmanship and patience required to duplicate the old ways. This is definitely going into my bag of tricks and I want to thank you for showing us this low tech, high end piece of woodworking knowledge. I want to ask you about the brands of hide glue you use and what your recommendations are in selecting this amazing product. Again thank you for this lesson in woodworking and God bless.

[@3815utah]

Thank you. Patrick and I really enjoy doing those videos. This is a process which does not take a lot of time over all, but this time needs to be spread over couple days, which does not fit the industry. Space and handling does not go with production unfortunately. We use hot hide glue from Milligan and Higgins and the liquid hide glue we produce Old Brown Glue (www.oldbrownglue.com). Patrick wrote a little bit about the history of our glue here wpatrickedwards.blogspot.com/2014/07/another-milestone-for-old-brown-glue.html I am personally a user and I do not benefit from the glue side of the business and I like that glue more than the other available as there is a better initial tack to it and not a list of harmful chemical in it. Try it, veneering column is fun!

[@mwilson70201]

I appreciate the information and will be adding your link to my contacts. I could buy hide glue at the local woodcraft but prefer supporting independents. I'll be visiting the old brown glue site soon. God bless.

[@3815utah]

mwilson70201 well, thank you! Any support is appreciated. The glue business is also for us a great way to always have fresh and good glue for our restoration and fabrication workshop (www.antiquerefinishersinc.com). Let us know if you have any question and our viewers are welcome to request videos on a topic, we will do our best to answer with a video. Patrice

[@JackbenchWoodworking]

Beautiful work, thanks for sharing!

[@3815utah]

You are welcome. Thank you for the comment.

[@tiralie]

Excellent video!

[@3815utah]

Thank you very much.

[@charliereina7933]

Beautiful job, but one thing puzzled me. The column looks tapered. If it was, why didn’t that present a problem when you wrapped it with the veneer?

[@3815utah]

Hello, sorry for the late reply. The tapering only affests the look of the grain at the joint. They lean towards each other instead of staying parallel. One trick to visualise what you can do with veneer is to take a piece of paper and see how you can fold it without creasing. In this case, the piece of paper would look like a troncated cone with more overlap on the top than the bottom, but no creasing, so no issue veneering it. Hope this helps! Patrice

[@woodrowmorrison7951]

very, very nice

[@3815utah]

Thank you very much!

[@jamesmcintyre348]

I hope your getting payed enough for all that. What are those plane type tools on the shelf behind those second hand store type chairs.

To make money, you'd have to have about 20 of those going simultaneously.

[@valyverger7560]

Bonjour merci pour votre vidéo très pédagogique

[@3815utah]

Avec plaisir. Patrice Lejeune

[@dashphaste]

Patrick, aspirant Marqueteur, with no veneering experience, thus far, here. May I ask, hy you didn't cut the veneer on the column right at the overlap, thus only having the top layer to remove?

[@3815utah]

+Mark Wilson 2 reasons, First this column is tapered and the edges end up at an angle, it is hard to cut straight at an angle on a cylinder. Second you can not see very well and precisely where the under edge is and therefore cutting is precisely is not possible. The improvement that can be done is actually to have less overlap making it easier to lift a smaller under part. The idea is that the veneer saw has a thickness that is compensated by the geometry of 2 piece on top of each other, there should be a gap the size of the veneer saw blade thickness, but once the upper piece is brought down the radius being slightly tighter the joints disappear. Now the thinking behind this job apart from having a tight joint. We had 2 pieces of rosewood that we book-matched. Once wrapped the book match works where the first joint was but also where the overlap is cut adding esthetic especially if you cut the overlap at its center. Back to the improvement where Patrick was very generous on the overlap on this job. I hope this is clear, as english is not my language. Let me know if there is still any shadow! Patrice

[@dashphaste]

Thank you, Patrice. Clear as day.

[@3815utah]

+Mark Wilson Good to know. Thank you for your interest. If you have more question do not hesitate to contact us!

[@dashphaste]

That's around 15:00 minutes on.

[@lukeaddington1105]

Hello Patrice & Patrick, I was wondering if you could answer a question about veneering the inside of a box (like your Treasure Box wpatrickedwards.blogspot.com/2012/03/treasure-box-deja-vu.html). Since the box is assembled with full-blind dovetails, do you veneer the inside before cutting the joint, after cutting but before assembly, or after the joint has been assembled? I am trying to figure out how the inside of your box looks so crisp and clean. Thank you for your time!

[@3815utah]

Hello Luke, On this case we veneered after doing the dovetails, but it can be done before if you are sure your joints are going to be perfect, then the partition, and the inside is french polished before glueing, Old brown glue gives the time to do a good assembly without stressing and cleans up with water, which is OK with shellac if it does not stay as a puddle for to long. You can see a post relating the all process for Treasure Box #1 here lumberjocks.com/projects/83446 And follow the progress on Treasure Box #2 on this blog lumberjocks.com/Patricelejeune/blog/36980 Let us know if you have more questions! Thank you!

[@lukeaddington1105]

3815utah Thank you so much! Incredibly helpful!

[@3815utah]

Luke Addington You are welcome Patrice.

[@sooth15]

Nice!

[@3815utah]

Thank you!

[@VaracolacidVesci]

Isn't easier just not glueing the top overlaping part and simply cut then glue?

[@oldbrownglue1991]

Veneer expands with moisture and different wood expand at different rate. It is impossible to guess how much to cut in advance. Also when the glue cures the veneer will retract slightly, so, by doing the veneering of the column in step you ensure a better joint and avoid blisters and other issues.

[@VaracolacidVesci]

Old Brown Glue but im just talking about the overlap.. you glue everything till the overlap then when cured jyst remove the little tht could expand not a big chunk

[@oldbrownglue1991]

We always make thing bigger on videos so it shows, but you are right we kind of overdid it on this one! I aim for a 1 cm overlap I don't need more and it is sufficient.

[@VaracolacidVesci]

Old Brown Glue oh i see. 😁