Amalfi - When The Italian Line Becomes Fun

[@Flamuu]

Sorry, let some of my annoyance with the CV design bleed through towards the end there. :/ Stream: www.twitch.tv/flamuu Insta: instagram.com/flamugram/ Twitter: twitter.com/flamuchz Discord: discord.gg/Flamu

[@strangelyrepulsive77]

good job lets murder all cv players

[@SpaceBear79]

spreadsheets say, you had fun though, comrade

[@bgearing]

Your frustrations about the CV make sense from the perspective of wishing that you could have done something in that moment, but ultimately the reason for the loss was that your team made worse tactical choices than the opponents. That includes their CV, who made sure he saw the late game and properly used the strengths of his ship to secure the win. I think that you would like to have a game design where individual talent could always pull a game out; understandable given your prodigious ability in the game. I think that I prefer game design that gives better team tactics the edge. I believe that CV play does just that.

[@Dysphoricsmile]

Prinz Eugen has better concealment than Mainz! 11.5 km on Eugen, 12km on Mainz! WTF WG? Also Eugen at 11.5 is not anything noticeably worsw than the 11.3 that Amalfi gets!

[@Mthammere2010]

@Strangely Repulsive how about DD players? Because their just as if not more guilty and harder to counter. At least you can delete a deteced CV, but a DD got secret AP absorption shields and cloaking device.

[@ris3-xi918]

Asashio sits in smoke and launches them at a *cruiser.* I almost died laughing.

[@Apachers]

That Asashio waiting for you in the smoke - speshul. Unfortunately black Friday ships 'produced' a lot of such players on high tiers.

[@keithconrad9033]

It doesn't need a special sale, a steam realese or weekend for the average wows player to be retarded.

[@ShruteshKumar]

In the hands of even a semi-experienced player that ship is stupid OP though. I think I literally average 100k damage in it, and I am not even that good of a DD player. \o/

[@rocknrollbob7199]

I swear he could take an Orlan into a T10 battle and do 198k damage, get a kraken, double strike, Confederate, and high caliber. Just narrowly missing solo warrior.

[@dickwinters1512]

in pub? sure how bout ranked, aIso he has every signaI and camo avaiIabIe. Doesn't take much to pIay a few hours and get a sick game.

I see on this "New Orleans" that "We reworked CVs to remove ability to crossdrop torps" works as intended.

[@stallfighter]

That was New Orleans mistake in this case, not even a crossdrop

[@Xefender7]

Flamuu: "guys we need to defend the cap!" Potatoes: "Let's go to A1 dude!" Flamuu: " Ufcking morons!" XDDD

[@CCI-lv9hr]

Tend to come across a lot of suiciding Amalfis in my DM. They smoke up and charge in forgetting the smoke firing penalty and radars.

[@Mthammere2010]

@The Mundorian very slow reload and slower turret traverse on medium caliber guns really get to people.

[@MihaiD259]

7:19 The reenacment of a fight between 3 italian old people over the last heavily discounted pan at Lidl.

[@aaqibhossain7864]

What if you'd have used the SAP to finish the trento before he got the chance to get the torps off ? I don't like sticking to one ammo type either but that decision seemed a tad more hubristic than strategic.

[@ethanswartz5161]

if I got anything from this video it is a new motivation to grind the Zara I haven't played since the Italian Cruisers Event

[@Arcangel61286]

I’ve gotta say I got the Genova and the T5 right away and I almost gave up on the line but then I got the Amalfi. I really do enjoy the Amalfi even though I don’t feel all to effective in battle with it.

[@nikanotsane]

Really like daily uploads Would like to see Zara commentary. Its half decent ship

[@sirdancealot2645]

I agree, I think the Zara where the Italian line starts to get fun. Although the dpm is really bad too. I can't wait for a Venezia...

[@omerbkcgl]

when I get to zara from trento I didnt like it, its slow and fat ship, I also tested venezia and amalfi on public test both were satisfactory

[@marcelogenesis23]

I love the zara.... now the amalfi struggles in t10 matches... like all the matches

[@grandgao3984]

Zara +1, would be very helpful to know! Maybe also potent in Scenario

[@hiro9253]

i hate zara, the dispersion is garbage even with accuracy module. in my opinion zara and trento are the worst

[@TheRCScotsman]

Those initial trades were extremely rough for the Shchors! EDIT: Aaaaand so were the later ones!

[@crad5476]

Imagine buying a premium without reading its infos and stats first lol

[@OnboardG1]

I’m finding it a bit hard to carry in. Damage is consistent but it’s hard to have wow games

[@hiro9253]

yes, this ship is also very team dependent. if you have bad team you cant really do much since the italian cruiser is damage over time kind.

[@TheSaberra]

yup, It's a matter of being lucky and getting a dd caught or devastating a cruiser

[@Leptospirosi]

It is up to the enemy if it can aim: if you suddenly find yourself in a crossfire or turn need to avoid some torps you evaporate very quickly: this citadel (like on Roma) is difficult to miss out and you don't get any nose armor to bow in

[@Mthammere2010]

@OnboardG1, the reloads for that caliber is way too slow. Blame the DD Mafia for crying about counters. A Mafia flamu is a made man in.

[@snegle3094]

11:20 U popped a Jingles there

[@joshwise7815]

Really surprising you haven't hit the 100k, my fav wows youtuber/streamer needs love, lets go peoples!

[@Mthammere2010]

@Josh Wise he doesn't take much responsibility for his own shortcomings.

[@arci9561]

It is such a good example of a battle influence with one carrier player being better then the other 😀 A thing which was supposed to be fixed by cv rework. But for me the current cv's are not that big of a deal, the real question is, who invented the infinite planes.

[@leonzhu1301]

Well... It's not actually infinite. Yes, they keep regenerating, but the battle time of 20 minutes is short enough to essentially give any decent team a chance to "deplane" a new cv. A squad with 2 or less planes will get shot down before any attack could commence

[@BPKPhoenix]

But if any CV player is worth their salt, they can just waste one squadron, give it a speed boost and have about 3 planes already ready to go once your squadron is depleted. No, in my opinion, the worst thing about CVs is still not the fact that you can get plebs to buy themself a tier 8 Graf Zepps and get roflstomped by the NTRprise player on the enemy team. Nope, its the poor little things that get half their HP stripped away from them by a single rocket volley they have no chance in evading.

[@dickwinters1512]

"Amalfi - When The Italian Line Becomes Fun" feIt Iike I was Iistening to an euIogy.

[@gamersresidence6040]

Sometimes even a Flamu on your team is not enough...

[@regalecusglesne3022]

yes, if the team includes you

[@Wildboy0001]

fantastic guns fantastic op torp arcs and fantastic super op speed =OP!

[@regalecusglesne3022]

cleary you never played the game and you just watch youtube videos like a bored socially awkward teenager who should get laid instead.

[@Wildboy0001]

@@regalecusglesne3022 I play that game since the beta of course and i think with my 3 accounts together i might have 35000 games made. I know that game but i gave up on it,it´s simply hopeless!

[@nosajmartinez6175]

Love the content! Keep it up! Sadly another fantastic team. :)

[@TheExecutorr]

3:32 "Not great, not terrible", eh? :D

[@anidiot2818]

Recently got the T6 Trento. I like the Italians so far, concealment and reload are garbadge, but I really like the laser accuracy.

[@TheGrandexeno]

Still it's a non carriable ship. If your team fails even a bit, you go down with them, no question asked.

[@jage1559]

@@TheGrandexeno Like I could carry anyone anyways

[@InarusLynx]

@@jage1559 I feel that

[@basileus9343]

> Still perfect pronunciation of Brindisi *moan Take me now Flamuboi

[@regalecusglesne3022]

fucking degenerate.

[@baerchen1650]

@@regalecusglesne3022 pog.

[@matobi91]

Do you think these ships are balanced or need some kind of change? If so what change, reduces smoke firing penalty maybe?

[@regalecusglesne3022]

you think the eceleb scumbag milking views will ever lower himself anwser to you measly mortal? you're barking at the wrong tree, go read the forums

[@GreggFellows]

Amalfi is a great ship, i think it's my favourite of all right now

[@MadmanLink]

It didn't happen in this video, but I find that the steering gears gets knocked out almost every game. Some games more then twice, so make sure you take last stand as your second captain skill!

[@TheGrandexeno]

I have last stand on my ita cruisers

[@miyabe_k195]

And people complained about the old CVS... 😁 by the end of that match the old cv would have had maybe 1 - 2 squads left.... So there would be counterplay and a way to win the so deserved game... Thanks Wg

[@mca7983]

Watching the CV get to do 3 drops while being shot by AA is a fucking joke

[@boristhebarbarian]

Q; i have ground down the Italian special missions (all 4 levels) and still do not have the complete collection series so no special italian captain. Will that collection remain to be done or be terminated in january with the missions?? Do i have to buy premium boxes without any guarantee to get him???

[@atlaf195]

Buy boxes with Tokens, and bzy missing collection items with duplicates

[@boristhebarbarian]

@@atlaf195 use duplicates?? how. i have 8 or 9 of them so that will work

[@ohhdannyboy3465]

@@boristhebarbarian Go to the Italian collection in your profile, click any of the missing collection items, and I think it is around four duplicates to unlock one.

[@boristhebarbarian]

@@ohhdannyboy3465 thx, never knew that, now i can finish 2 or 3 other collections as well :)

[@m0nkEz]

They're going to add the boxes in for coal later. I do advise trying to get it done now, though. Also, use the duplicates when you have enough to finish it off (don't use them before then, because they increase your chance of a duplicate, so it's not a good trade).

[@ugk1106]

I started to run Sansonetti on Amalfi, because of the bigger impact than running him on Brindisi and Venezia. At T8 you got better chance to turn the battle to a win than on T10 which is sometime packed with potatoes

[@regalecusglesne3022]

yes because you are the pro player right? how about you find yourself a better hobby instead of playing video games, baldie?

[@bushyfromoz8834]

Zara was so hit and miss, some matches it would wreck face, other matches you would get nothing but overpens on broadside light cruisers with SAPI. The only thing I thing it was reliable on was DD's and RN BB superstructure, but sold it ASAP (Gorizia is a much better DD hunter with hat hydro anyway, so I kept that). First match in the Almalfi slaughtered some RN CA's with the AP, wrecked a DD with SAPI in short order. I'm a bog average player and even I pulled a Kraken an 160K damage in my first match in he Almalfi, and I'm looking forward to getting my hands on even more pizza guns!

[@danieltucker6258]

if you select the 'larger smoke screen captain skill" will that lower your smoke firing penalty?

[@snegle3094]

no. That cpt skill makes your smoke screen puff larger in size.

[@TheGrandexeno]

The smoke is basically shit, super situational. No other ways around, it is what it is..

[@Lost459]

Gotta agree with the title of this vid hated all the lower tier Italian cruisers then I got the Amalfi. Actually enjoying a decent win rate.

[@marcelogenesis23]

Who uses the 203 mogami ? Its 155 brigade homie

[@ShanKoroshu]

If I kill a Smolensk with a Seattle does it mean I beat cancer? Can I call myself a cancer survivor?

[@grimmshredsanguinus2915]

U preserved freedom

[@fastbullet]

I would say the fun starts with Zara.

[@Flamuu]

Zara is decent, T7 MM is however cursed since the T8 MM fix and I had nowhere near as much fun as in the Amalfi.

[@FrankieMankie]

Yep, with Zara you start to deal really good damage per volley, but you are kinda slow and still paper.

[@regalecusglesne3022]

@@Flamuu fuck you

[@road2medschool991]

How do you set your crosshair to be like that when you zoom in?

[@dylanmckinnon5465]

Pouy Nabi It’s a result of the replay - it removes crosshairs so that all you see is the circle in the center! If you watch Flamuu’s streams he uses a standard crosshair when he plays. I’ve had this exact question too! I like the minimalist look.

[@firecracker739]

I plays CV and think that it has good amount of influence and still need skill. Good enough amount of AA can deter their planes (not T10 CV though in my experience) and some mistake can cripple CV’s damage capability. You’re right though that at late game there’re little things you can do to counter the CV. It comes down to how attentive the CV player on each side, drop fighters deals damage or even provide AA for the team. I usually try to stay with the remnants of my team in late game to provide AA support but someone just ignore me and went out die then blame CVs.

[@frysebox1]

I compliment enemy players who kill the CV on my team

[@admiralfloofz658]

I must be the strangest player ever. Firstly I dont think Smolensk is even remotely close to being OP. Secondly I unlocked Montecuccoli today and Im inlove. People say its hatefully bad but I love it. It just feels so agile and nimble and deadly accurate. I could wish for some better AP pen but other than that I do like it, SAP feels alright, sure HE would be better but I dont mind some variety.

[@deadmausish]

"Wait for him to render because of the ..*** penalty" what penalty?.

[@nahtanoj12341]

Hey flamu, May I suggest that instead of doing Captain builds at the end of your commentaries, have a dedicated vid exclusively for Captain builds and have vid exclusively for the match. You can then refer the match vid to the build vid and vice versa

[@regalecusglesne3022]

how did it end up uh? did he answer to you? i guess you should stop wasting time asking people who don't give a shit.

[@Skiesaremine]

Poi

[@ryanc00p3r3]

Poi?

[@BlackHawk2b]

Poi~

[@mazgazine1]

I'm glad to see I'm not the only one really questioning the italian AP its so bizzare, why does it overpen EVERYTHING?!! or not do anything at all. SAP is just default better..

[@jaysonnunley6602]

That’s how you know they just got asashio

[@ion282]

Flamu Can u explain how to reach rank 1 with german BB T10 or moskva whild the opponent gets kremlin + Smolensk while u get not OP ships? And when i get OP ships in my team, they rush like morron. I almost destroyed my computer because of this cancer rank

[@mowtow90]

You cant directly but you can fail to rank 1 (if you have enough patience and luck). GK is the weakest T10 BB at the moment - until the buff. You cant hit anything and you are a big fat Free XP pinata for every HE firing CL/CA and BB. Moskva is a different ball game but you have to be very careful - you should learn how to attack backwards angled (its actually better).

[@dkramerstein]

Got mopped up. Ouch

[@Speedster___]

8k subs at youtube 6 months a go and now has 104k uh does he mean 80k?

[@bradwatson1142]

There is alot of blame to go around

[@Mthammere2010]

@Brad Watson, too much blame going around. Glamu crying about CVs when the culprit were those three highly avoidable torps. After that he was a mono shot to any and everything that got wind of him. Every ship in this game has a counter and a Lynch pin, and their expiration date begins at the start of the battle and ends when we made too many mistakes. Flamu found his and blames everyone but himself. He could have at least blame the rudder characteristics.

[@frysebox1]

@@Mthammere2010 We get it you're a CV main, in a sense it's nice to have them in the game so people with disabilities also can do good.

[@ShakaNFSW]

14:47 you know poor CVs don't do enough damage so WG help them nerfing the AA to the ground...

[@VuHien2011]

The basic principle of a ship sitting in the back and being able to kill you without taking any risk is disgusting.

[@Igiveashitofaname]

@@VuHien2011 And people still want WoWS to be more realistic...

[@Mthammere2010]

@VuHien2011 so your saying DDs are disgusting?

[@VuHien2011]

@@Mthammere2010 since when can DD torp from the back of the map in all inpunity?

[@Mthammere2010]

@VuHien2011, ever hear of Shima? Asashio? Gearing? Do you even play this game? Also, not being able to see or having the chance to detect is just as bad if not worse than sitting across the map or obvious reasons.

[@trlacr1781]

I noticed that t7 mm is absolutely horrible as of late...

[@snegle3094]

Imagine t7 Flint/Atlanta OMEGALUL

[@snapshotking2545]

Fuck that Implacable!

[@steeltrap3800]

Yeah, fuck CVs. Some of us (sadly few) who were Alpha testers told WG they were a bloody awful idea, that everyone would immediately think of them as WoT arty, and they'd prove a nightmare to balance. Seen nothing in the few years since to make me think I was mistaken.

[@thomask5295]

TBH, I called her SHITALFI. I was doing well in ZARA and looking forward to the tier VIII. But man, the Shitalfi was a huge disappointment and the Brindisi a much welcome relief. I had a 60~70% WR on the ZARA, fall down to around 40% on the Shitalfi and went back to 60~70% on the Brindisi. I can't wait to get my VENEZIA (half the way through).

[@Listitan]

If you wouldnt have chased down that cw... you would have won :/

[@TheGrandexeno]

Imbecile they were losing in points

[@ezpz_183]

lol how? that's not how the game works

[@gee.g.3131]

ello ello heveryone

[@AdamWebb1982]

carriers fucking ruin this game. Before the update they was pretty well balanced... but now they are fucking awful. Almost feels like they have unlimited planes!

[@bittewarten3783]

3:33 3.6 not great, not terrible.

[@KellyEastwood855]

This ship depends highly on the team, the CV, the weather, the tide, the seagulls etc.. It can be fun if all circumstances are perfect. Otherwise you are unable to carry or turn the game and play a significant role. This ship is as weak as the Yorck, minus the HE fire potential, the gun reload is miserable just like the fire in smoke penalty (latter makes the smoke just unusable). Just the usual mediocre target ship for the soviet OPs and CVs.

[@TheGrandexeno]

This ship = ita cruisers in general, sadly

[@vteccomics538]

For once I'm early to a video

[@trienos3040]

Would still take my Abruzzi over her

[@bullreeves1109]

Hello hello

[@roberto577gaming7]

This game is World of Warships, not Warplanes. They need to remove CV's.

[@johnlorenzlo1888]

enemies are noobs broadside all day long

[@tonkatoytruck]

I find I win more games when their are CVs in the game to spot. I struggle when I can not find the dds or other ships.

[@TheSinisterSalad]

Proverbial ... FIRST!!!

[@lidlpotato2047]

Zao video request No18 #roadto100

[@eliasmartinell4255]

Ey

[@robertlindsay6671]

Announce CV deletion... the most cancer class in the game and stupidly overpowered

[@Sglman]

I really hated the Amalfi, never got any really good games in it. The Brindisi we're all much more enjoyable to me for some realy

[@vohuuthien6844]

I got 77% win rate in Amalfi lolz. Just got Brindisi and struggle a bit

[@Ensign_Cthulhu]

If you hadn't had to do the hard carry and you hadn't derped in the cap, you would have wiped the Implacable and you wouldn't be talking about lack of counterplay.

[@cru24d3r]

Good AP penetration... 4:50 ... 5 ricos on a Broadside Amalfi...😅

[@TheSaberra]

I wouldn't call it broadside judgeing by minimap, also, 4 shells landed on steep bow

[@hueydevoted]

typical cv play...roll face on keyboard and win

[@ShakaNFSW]

You know CVs should lose HP when they lose planes...

[@FakerLeon]

I thought Edinburgh is weak, but Amalfi is so weak it's almost unplayable!

[@ЛентяйЁпта]

Zara is definitely better

[@berndberndsen5680]

What's this nonsense about there being no counterplay to CV? You can sometimes shoot down planes so he'll do less risk-free damage to you the next time, if you shoot down enough planes you can even force him to fly around and keep you spotted better and safer than any DD could while his planes regenerate rather than farming free damage off you. Don't you see that surface ships can completely nullify CV? Nullify, I say!

[@SWIFTY_WINS]

Really hate how much Flamu continues to exaggerate the capabilities of CVs these days. They're far from "God class" dude when in a top tier X Midway you fly a squadron all the way out to your target, get your 1st strike off, and by the time you turn the squadron around to attempt a followup strike they're all dead and especially so if there are 2 or 3 ships in the area to shoot at you simultaneously. This means you have to fly out to target just for a single strike with any of the 3 squadron types with how fast you lose planes, but in this case say you start the match with rocket planes and after reaching your 1st target you'll get maybe 2-4k dmg on that 1st strike max, then you lose all your rocket planes after strike #1 because you can't turn your squadron 180 degrees before they all die, so you launch your torp squadron, fly them out to a target, get off a single torp drop and if you're lucky 2 of them land for another 5k tops and usually no floodings, then get all your planes shot down per the norm now. So, now you launch your bomb squadron, fly out to a target again for only the 3rd strike of the game so far, and here's where maybe you get over 5-6k if you land your Midway bomb drop, now get all your bombers shot down per the norm while trying to swing around for the elusive 2nd strike. Rinse and repeat now, launch the rocket squadron again which is now not a full squadron because of how many you lost on the 1st strike attempt, fly to target, launch rockets and get 1k in damage, lose all your planes, etc. etc. Flamu, my man, if you're sitting here still trying to act like CVs are "God tier" and the most powerful and annoying ship class then clearly you just don't even play CV enough lately after the rework to understand the struggle of how hard it is to even break 100k on an average CV game. I wish you would live stream yourself playing 3 CV matches in a row at tier 8 or 10, and see how well you actually make out with the "God class". CVs have been getting nerfed steadily ever since the big rework while AA gets nothing but buff after buff. The latest update has gone yet another step towards nerfing CVs and increased followup drop delay time, so now you must wait something like 7-8 seconds after each drop to try and drop again... With entire squadrons being shot down just trying to turn around 180 degrees, this added 7 or 8 second delay before you can attack again has further enforced the single strike per squadron mentality... CVs used to be able to exert full map control with multiple squadrons and time delayed attacks to force people's repair parties and then flood them with a torp strike. Now though, after the big rework and all the current buffs to reinforced AA sectors and all ship's AA performance ratings in general, you're seriously still talking on your videos about how CVs are still "God tier" to you and just such a nuisance still. I'm not even a CV main, but with the average super cruiser or high tier BB readily breaking 200k dmg per game how are you going to pretend CVs are still too good when it's a great match if you can break 100k in a f*cking Midway? Stop exaggerating how "God tier" CVs supposedly still are according to you because anyone playing at any tier of CV even max tier knows it is frustrating to do any kind of consistent damage in a standard CV game. You saying shit like this all the time is adding to WG's willingness to rape the CV class over and over until a monster game in a tier 10 Midway will suddenly be just breaking 100k. CVs used to be OP back before the whole overhaul and it was possible to break 200k and 300k in Midway. However, it's been a while now since CVs were nerfed to hell during the rework and endless buffs to AA introduced time and time again, yet here you sit to this day still talking about CVs like they're out there destroying everything in their path every match... No, it's just not the case anymore and if you want to prove your stance, then ok go hop in a Midway and stream a non cherry picked game of yours in it. I guarantee you will not even come close to some of the damage numbers you've been pulling off lately in all your recent new ship review videos. So it's ok to have ships like Asashio, Smolensk, Stalingrad, Kremlin, Bourgogne, Benham, etc. where you are literally setting world dmg records, but CVs are still soooo OP right, they're still "God class" and if a CV player can hit you with a single strike that's too many for you. It's BS.

[@ashen1-758]

you wrote this whole ass essay, but all im gonna do is say cv is trash and you wont do shit about it.

[@SWIFTY_WINS]

@@ashen1-758 LMFAO! Of course I won't do anything about it, because you just reinforced my point you complete asshat hahah. CVs are weak and not "God tier" as Flamu loves to always assert. Kremlins, Thunderers, Conquerors, Smolensks, etc. are all cruising around easily breaking 100k to even 200k+ on the average match being piloted by the average player, yet decent CV captains struggle to even break 100k damage during the course of your average match.. So yea, you were trying to be a cheeky smart a**, but instead ended up backing up my entire point. Thank you.

[@ashen1-758]

@@SWIFTY_WINS I wonder how many times I can get you to reply before you give up lol. CV is op

[@SWIFTY_WINS]

@@ashen1-758 Try me, you can see by my original "essay" as you called it that I got nothing better to do late at night then type out some long opinion pieces here on KZbin comment sections. You know, it just doesn't have the same impact anymore when you try to reverse your initial stance that CVs are weak and garbage (which reinforced my point perfectly), to now you're trying to claim they're suddenly OP instead in some less than half-hearted attempt at triggering me or something since your first attempt failed so badly. It's all good though my dude, not every comment thread online needs to be treated as a serious argument which must be won no matter the cost... We're just discussing a particular ship class in a video game my bro, so I assure you this isn't going to make or break my life right now.

[@vaclavposlednik9855]

First? :D

[@ResistLight]

DD can be countered. cv? Nope..

[@groovypantsguss1404]

Thanks flambass