Verhulst Got into a Heated Argument After Hal Snapped at Him

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[@greyhoundrox]

Raven with the gawk gawk 9000. 100% on Hal for that one. He dropped without comming and he fell over.

[@psykend2834]

That's crazy how we are looking the same vid and you still mad at Hal for no reason even when it show hes right xD The team leader has to get follow, not having 2 pnj turning around on top haha low elo player cant understand the basics for sure, sadge

[@ImperialPrafacy]

@@psykend2834 wrong!!! you want to keep pushing one man with one down and no heals and no ammo. Hals screaming at them saying we are 3 to 1 but one of them was down “Hal” had no health and pushes alone after getting picked up again to die again while giving no coms. So how is Hal right?

[@Besttre6362]

@@psykend2834 Hal was just having his controller brain moments. yes team was not with him when he commed it first time, but the comm for dropping on a solo was incredibly late + his push on a purple evo 1v1 when he was like 40 hp was stupid asf. u can be low elo or high elo to notice the so called "apex ceo" isnt quite putting in the effort he once did. (in that game/round of scrim I mean. His performance elsewhere is usually 10/10.) that push was straight controller brain with 0 care for the tms reviving in the background, probably didnt even check the map for tms before jumping on the seperated rat. then the punjabi hardstuck gold-plat indian refused to take any notice of mistakes from his side, only the other two. (mostly evan got the heat) . would love to hear what u thought happened ..

[@SithAssassin]

⁠@@psykend2834 lil bro keeps copy n paste the same stuff. how many comments gotta point out you brown nosing way to much. Sit down your crush won’t see you tring to stick up for him when he was in the wrong. Don’t worry even good players get controller brain n bounce back

[@sayweebs1889]

​@@psykend2834 Hal ain't gonna notice you because you sucking his meat. I love Hal, and all of TSM. But a stupid play on the IGL's part shouldn't be pinned on the teammates. The instantaneous Hal said "they're running south", he immediately corrects with "one is under me!" and drops down alone without confirming his teammates are with him. Not only that, he had white with half shields. He could've sent someone else or rotated. IGL needs to stop thinking their teammates are just NPCs they can point and throw at people. They're thinking of what to do so they don't get killed for free.

[@dotdotdot4680]

Raven doing flips and tricks on it 💀

[@miruww]

LMFAOOOOO

[@Therapistwatermirrur]

I heard "they're running south" and then an "ok", then a "wait someone's underneath us, another ran away" and then Hal dropped. From what I could see, Verhulst was moving "south" which was more like "south west" since that's how those buildings align, so I guess they were sort of following orders. It's just Hal dropped within seconds of saying "someone's underneath us" so unless they are to know ahead of time, kinda hard for them to be with him when the previous comms were "running south". But what do I know? I'm just saying it as I see it

[@antosharboonian6110]

ah yes, its hal's fault for the 2 dumbasses enjoying the scenery on the balcony. Totally valid opinion.

[@Cozzyhart]

Thanks for literally pointing out that Hal is contradicting himself mid IGL😭 and all the hal fans are missing the biggest point ! Hal shouldn’t have dropped with out saying stay with me

[@Cozzyhart]

Thanks for literally pointing out that Hal is contradicting himself mid IGL😭 and all the hal fans are missing the biggest point ! Hal shouldn’t have dropped with out saying stay with me

[@Sean-dm8ez]

It is not even within a few seconds. Hal drops in the middle of saying "There's one still underneath us and one ran away". He finishes that sentence at 1:48 dropping to the floor of the bridge and is knocked just before the time reaches 1:50. Evan and Jordan literally have 1-1.5 seconds to register what he is saying and realize he dropped on the guy.

[@antosharboonian6110]

well what do you expect in a BR? you want them to have a picnic first?@@Sean-dm8ez

[@bananapeek4612]

Hal screams: “I’M NOT SCREAMING”

[@labizzzzze]

Dumbledore said calmly

[@oscar_n_t]

I thought raven's job was to mediate these arguments not just jump on hals side...

[@jvi94]

exactly i thought he was a coach

[@tomnelson341]

Facts he's meat riding Hal right here for some unkown reason.... they are both dead wrong

[@abnerjvd]

Didnt know a coach's job was to mediate, I thought it was to coach

[@lesgum]

@@tomnelson341 99% of the time Raven is siding with Reps or Evan, you're just a bunch of braindeads haters that trashtalk eveything linked to hal

[@kyleadams6720]

@@lesgum who asked?

[@expressionismus1]

The guidebook of being unobjective...Raven is obsessively trying to bang Hal's backdoor just repeating and paraphrasing what Hal just had said, not giving any own perspective, pure waste

[@arcseryx]

Raven glazing hal 💀

[@nathannakagames]

giving him the gawk

[@tannosb]

you are at best gold scrub or you need a whole season to get out of plat...

[@anasbenomar8234]

​@@tannosb thank you!

[@Forderrinoo]

@@tannosbwhat does his rank have to do with this lil bro 😭

[@Cozzyhart]

@@tannosbwit this comment I can tel you get carried with a 3 man every day☠️ wit this comment I can tell you watch hal all day wishing to be just like him 😇💯

[@qxiche]

Hal's lucky he's as good as he is, otherwise no one would put up with his bullshit

[@Asdayasman]

Gold league is full to the brim with Hals, they just weren't lucky enough to have his aptitude.

[@stuckwchuck]

@@Asdayasmanelite comment from both you guys

[@alpha4297]

This one is on Hal, he shouldn’t never pushed conduit by himself

[@rottisrule4272]

I get what he’s saying though that other person on the team was LONG gone

[@Besttre6362]

Wouldve been an easy wipe if all 3 of them did that push together, hal over played his hand simply

[@NATION_DESIGNS]

If your igl says, there's one guy underneath us. I'm pushing him. You push with him. It's that simple. I agree with Hal

[@douglassurfbiron4147]

Lol, he did not know he was pushing by his lonesome,he expected his teammates to be right there with him, which is why he exposed himself to draw out the rat to then wipe his ass out

[@bigkev1049]

@@NATION_DESIGNStrue but he didn’t say that, and that’s the problem. He said “there is a guy underneath us”, he jumped and he got clipped. He presumed that they were following him but he didn’t even let them enough time to tell him that he was by himself

[@DiscMark]

Saying someone is there IS NOT saying to push someone. Hal's team ARE NOT mind readers.

[@MrMassdcreep]

Verhulst was actually looking south. Hal needs to say "ape him", if he wants them to follow him. Verhulst was still looking for him, he didnt know Hal already knew where he was. "He's south" is not a good com, that can mean anything.

[@GerryLo5198]

Hal walked off on his own TWICE, and died for free both times! Raven is dumb as hell for taking Hals side so quickly. I didnt hear Hal say "walk up with me" once. Hal wandered away and took a 1v1 twice and lost both of them, then wants to blame Evan and Jordan for not being telepathic mind readers. Hal put them in bad situations repeatedly, he got knocked THREE times. Hal and Raven were smoking crack smh.

[@bombastik_bomb]

if you get a com about an enemy teammate escaping after killing one guy in a comp + get his position, you stop whatever you're doing OR you immediately answer the com to keep track of the situation you complete plat bot. hal did damage as much as the others, and he sacrificed himself for those fights. but the missing coms from verhulst and reps fucked everything up by avoiding coms so, no you're the one smoking crack. Raven literally said it multiple times, the comms were not there only hal was speaking

[@reecerife7839]

​@@bombastik_bomblittle guy is braindead

[@aaronbutler5429]

I think you mean gawk gawk And it's easier to say let's all push this. That was terrible comms by hal. You and him are terrible people.

[@aaronbutler5429]

​@bazinga1687 bro what crack are you on with that comment. Honesty get his meat out your mouth. Hal was screaming absolutely nonsense. They all gave comes they are low on ammo. Bro I hate this hal guy he is the biggest gronk and you and all his fans that sit on his stick are just as bad. Absolute wastes of air.

[@Theturthwill]

Hal’s got knocked 3 times in 1 fight. Raven is on some bs.

[@ripp123m]

Its crazy how they both just gaslighting verhulst.

[@ScenesWithDean]

Not really a fan of Raven's coaching in this situation. Hal is known to be toxic, so taking his side and responding in a similar way as Hal, then taking his side of the entire situation is going to do harm to the mental of the team. It just a masterclass act of Gaslighting all around.

[@Taylor_King]

Yeah hes acting like a fucking idiot. Not how you react when someone on your team is upset about something

[@friederinochickerino5474]

i agree to an extent. he should've diffused the argument earlier but i get what hal and raven are saying. meat has ran from them multiple times when they played a little bit slow.

[@IronLungGaming]

Gaslighting would be if the play wasn't correctly called and they were trying to get Evan and Jordan to believe that it was. That wasn't the case. The play was correctly called and not Evan or Jordan wanted to take responsibility so in a quite rare occurence actually (if you watch often), Raven takes Hal's side. There was no "Gaslighting" lmfao

[@IronLungGaming]

People just want to hate. There was no "gaslighting".@@friederinochickerino5474

[@Theturthwill]

THANK YOU!

[@youmadbro2298]

EVAN is 100% correct. I don`t know how Raven can't see it. It`s Hals fault.

[@ripp123m]

agree

[@denationhavok4750]

Evan is expressing frustration about a long standing issue. EVERYTIME HAL DIES HE SCREAMS. Period, thats the statement! Evan is saying its just not necessary because he isnt the kind of person who expresses himself that way while Hal is. I. This specific situation, Evan is in the wrong. In the overall grandiose situation Evan is 1000000% right!!!

[@DiscMark]

Nah Hal is in the wrong 100% here.

[@aspeqd]

the other guy in the call is just being annoying asf putting everything on evan to make hal ignore the fact that he wasnt their either, even if hal said they were going south he should always check where his teamates are so it wouldnt have happened if he hadnt run off by himsellf

[@coldones9505]

Evan is just a snowflake.

[@BANANA42k]

Holy shit a nuanced take on the situation

[@denationhavok4750]

@@aspeqd in that moment i disagree, but i would like to know how he was supposed to check that? Reps said i was right behind you but i saw a stack of ammo and went for it instead (which he didnt comm), Evan didnt say he was scanning another direction. Obvious assumption is they are still with Hal since they didnt comm the change of course so he drops and they are 2-3 seconds behind. Hal should NOT be screaming at people i agree with that, but his teammates left him hanging by not following his call immediatly and also not comming the change in their own play option.

[@JasonBhoy7]

HAL starts fighting with 25 health left when reps was getting ressed, so i dont see hal or ravens point here, am i missing something?

[@JasonBhoy7]

reps res was finished exact same time hal died. Why is hal not waiting for res at least?

[@donfavio]

How ironic u put the video of Hal praising Verhulst and this happens after

[@nauchx]

💀

[@zahway222]

I bet Raven wears a shirt that says, "Hal's #1 fan" everyday of his life😂

[@jacobsalcido5891]

The fact people think this comment is funny is very disturbing. Wish youtube would cancel safe spaces. Bring back the dislike button so people and especially kids could really see how many people actually dislike your thoughts so than maybe more might self reflect

[@ripp123m]

is he wrong tho?@@jacobsalcido5891

[@zahway222]

🤣🤣@@jacobsalcido5891 so you must actually be the one that wears a shirt that says, "Hal's #1 fan" everyday🤡

[@robledosieteseis2291]

@@jacobsalcido5891you sound like a nerd asking for the dislike button bro. Nobody cares if a comment or video gets dislikes. Grow up

[@chrischarles2090]

@@jacobsalcido5891 Ride hal more how bout

[@ninshu412]

Hal and Raven are pretty cringe in this lol.

[@starmanx25]

DAMN Hal on a bad one and Raven super wrong lol. "He didn't actually scream" WHAT? hahaha

[@John_the_baptized]

Hal didn’t hear Evan call out he’s reviving Jordan and ran by himself. The entire time he had nothing but tunnel vision about killing Teq. There was plenty of comms but Hal listened to nothing but himself

[@persinitrix]

Hal got knocked 3 times bruh

[@SBGames8]

Why does Hal always walk away weak and solo push. As Faide says, "stop solo pushing!". Raven is wrong here. Hal dies then gets mad.

[@TACT1LE]

Yeah Faide is a better and wiser player than Hal 😂 you should get your brain checked out, buddy.

[@Candyyycoatedlies]

What faide have to do with this?

[@kglasses]

⁠@@Candyyycoatedlieshe’s just using a quote from faide

[@Candyyycoatedlies]

@@kglasses oh really been watching dude for long time and all i see him doing is screaming running around and say "why are you there" never heard of him saying that

[@zacharylewis417]

@@TACT1LE Actually as a solo player Faide is better. Hal is great with a team but he struggles as a solo.

[@phonzy7765]

Hal did not com to drop. Hal did not say to follow. End of story. Hal pushed Evan over the edge. Evan and Reps should not have instigated an argument and all of they’re coms were off. Hal just always thinks he’s right.

[@Candyyycoatedlies]

Was exactly gonna comment this theres no comp from hal and hes 90hp solo drop on the guy that aleadry knew exactly where he is

[@frostymo5324]

Hal had a Mazer moment and Raven figured it was a good idea to glaze tf outta bro for some reason. Raven is smart af but this was a complete for him.

[@BlazeNarutoShippuden]

I think Hal was wrong here and Reps getting ammo was fine. Dude had 2 bullets. You expect him to help kill 1 guy? He said 20 because he just picked it up and that was enough to help 3 vs 1 even if he is a few seconds behind. He's a conduit he can be a little behind because he can heal you instantly. And fixing audio not going to help i can't hear shit and i played for 4 years. Even people a few inches running up next to you in hugging distance you can't hear 90% of the time.

[@riderrwalker924]

instead of wasting time on what happened just go together and watch the vod, he did rage scream. That affects the mood and more importantly u cant hear shit in the game Moreover, Hal said they are running south and didnt say anything before taking the fight. He said one "underneath us" while he was jumping down from that hole. If for them "they went south" means -- go force push south then guys in total error here. Otherwise Hal making shit up.

[@HiddenStr3ngth]

Yeah, it's all on video and somehow people still make shit up. Happens a lot, even in even more blatantly clear videos of anything.

[@MilkoAritonoski]

Verhulst is 100% in the right on this one - Hal got downed 3 times. 3 TIMES! And he has the gall to yell the moment he's down. Like, I get he's the IGL and everything but how come the rest are quiet and give him space to get it down, yet when he does a mistake like this he yells and disrupts them.. The double standard is real.

[@RealGrandFail]

To be fair Hal is the IGL and did enough damage

[@reecerife7839]

@@RealGrandFail To be fair, that's not a good excuse for why he did what he did ngl

[@jacobsalcido5891]

​@reecerife7839 hal is the winnest all time goat. When they are synced up things really work. You're personality is to soft to grow and become better regardless of the intensity. I wish I could meet a random in ranked with his ferioousity. Evans ego and mental might be getting to big to where he's gonna destroy there vibe. Apex takes 3 heads willing and ready to just become one. Without words. Besides 90% of team Chem should be complimentary usually always favoring igls movements through each game like cloak word. The reason hal and design are so consistent is due to the fact people know they can and just should trust in them. Evans might be growing into his own future igl. His style could work with a more causal scene moving forward however. Truth be told Evan has mad skills when synergized with Hal. However, ive definitely taken notice to a rivalry emerging steadily. Evan isn't cut from the same clothe as Hal. The key is just listen and try to win. Igl is your boss so know youre roll

[@ahvyondrake4271]

@@jacobsalcido5891if Evan leave the team they are cooked.

[@jacobsalcido5891]

​@@ahvyondrake4271this is the same as him leaving. Doubting the leader is just dumb. Especially with their success. Also their couch who was strictly observing immediately checked Evan. Evan isn't the team it's 3 man trusting each other and locking in. Be responsive game sense. You sound extremely biased and that means you're negating the facts period.

[@bananapeek4612]

Mature conversations indeed. Some of these people have never matured and are not able to talk things out calmly without yelling.

[@Asdayasman]

Hal has literally never worked a day at a "real job" in his life, of course he hasn't matured. I dunno how Evan turned out so good. Must have been from good stock.

[@Visstnok]

@@Asdayasman Whole family and good upbringing.

[@bananapeek4612]

@@Asdayasman That's why I have massive respect to Evan. He's calm and doesn't resort to needless yelling and insults.

[@Asdayasman]

Hal was in the wrong, pushing with no health and without his team, not paying attention to their positioning, and not stfu'ing when he's down. As always. Evan doing his best to carry Hal's dead weight and clutch up the game when Hal could have just rinsed his head and chilled out instead of throwing all of TSM's advantage. As always. Raven is instantly riding Hal so hard that if he coughed you'd see Hal's foreskin. As always. You know, Zipp, you're kinda like Raven in a way. Hal this, Hal that, some minor thing happened, here's Hal restreaming it with brainless commentary, Hal talks about someone else talking about something he talked about one time, Hal reads a reddit post...

[@HellGatyr]

Reps literally go to fridge like "oh boi here we go again"

[@Lexxsy]

Hal said he heard Lux running around underneath but the other two didn’t. But Luxford was crouch walking the whole time 💀💀

[@KayySame]

Expecting perfection from others and guilting them when they don’t get there is a literal aspect of neuroticism god bless the people that actually have real relationships with Hal and raven man lmaooo

[@aussiebornkiwi4411]

bruh when he said "mute yourself when your dead" i felt that bhahah

[@tyler-uv9nj]

raven fr spelling hal's name on it

[@Asdayasman]

I wanna subscribe to your newsletter.

[@kg9379]

raven riding to keep his job LUL

[@lmvx9571]

Hal had bad coms and overreacted. he said he´s pushing off of big height and everyone followed him the he said their wrapping south and Evan ankered. He dropped in, knowing his teamm8 weren`t there with him and starts complaining. Evan maybe should´ve taken height after the rez but that´s it imo. Both didn´t play optimal and Evan ist getting more and more frustrated with hal screaming instantly. And Raven talks like he sucks hal off stream.

[@richardknight7429]

I feel for Evan bro, at least take his input because he's come a long way and notices the most obvious details on bad callouts. Hal basically put himself in a position to get knocked and it cost them that fight because Jordan could've easily went down the stairs instead of dropping from balcony onto bridge to help but had to play in that bad spot.

[@HiddenStr3ngth]

True, Evan has improved so much compared to the early days. Both in game sense and in IGL understanding. He was putting the work, can't argue that.

[@SithAssassin]

Hal was trolling spending the entire time on his knees cuz he kept ego pushing

[@TheTopStarz]

All I'll say is if it played EXACTLY the same way but Hal and Evan's roles were swapped Hal would ask the same questions Evan is asking from Hal....Raven is tripping on this one too, cause I'm sure Hal understood he's in the wrong until Raven started talking

[@Residual_gaming]

Hal better enjoy this team while it last

[@GeminiB]

Evan will be happy the day he leaves TSM. I could not stand a man that complains and crys as much as Hal. He literally threw that game. Hal needs to man up and admit when he makes mistake. Instead of blaming his teammates.

[@arctictropic1147]

Raven is a coach, not a therapist. I never saw the reason for Raven to constantly step in whenever they're arguing because it ends up with Raven picking sides. He needs to just stick to providing them information about map rotations. It's obvious that he's doing absolutely nothing in this situation.

[@Visstnok]

Except glazin'.

[@Huhusyah]

he drop down and didn com....what an idiot.....and then he goes full rage...lol

[@efecan1990]

Definition of gaslighting from Hal and Raven. Jordan is less than 2 seconds behind and they say 5 sec etc. Look at 1.47. He didnt hesitate to jump, but jordan didnt hesitate either. its normal to have 10 fucking meters between 2 teammates. He is going in with less than half HP because of his big ego.

[@COA5T]

If I'm Evan - "You know what Hal, you're right. But can we continue this conversation outside? Wear shoes of the athletic type...."

[@lunasv7]

Bro raven gaslighting verhulst hard

[@scirazzbrehh]

VERHULST STANDING ON BUSINESS

[@ADcrackerjack]

WTF Raven? Aren’t you supposed to be objective and impartial? Giving Hal the reason after he effed up twice is not good at all for the team.

[@soldiers360]

Raven needs Hal for that paycheck

[@shahrulizham668]

at 2:42 hal should not push with half hp and wait evan res reps its already 2v1

[@Promis_QS_Panda]

Reps said he had no ammo, and getting ammo. lol wtf. Nah man Hal going down all those times. Hal screams about everything and that does drown out sound, this game is tough wtih the audio to begin with.

[@sparkyenergia]

Reps getting ammo while not having the full picture of what was going on is fine. Verhulst being a headless chicken because he didnt have the full picture is not great. But HAL knowing the enemy was under him and dropping solo. nah man. That is just trolling.

[@tiaraguy7705]

You know, I'm curious if you go back in Vel's vod and check to see if audio was playing for the footsteps underneath him. I would genuinely laugh if he got no audio because Apex audio is dog water. If that was the case I could understand him not knowing exactly what Hal meant when he said southside

[@IAmPyle]

icl i feel like verhulst and reps are better off with a new igl even if the igl isn’t AS good because if the mental isnt good they’re gonna perform horrible anyway. idk why hal doesn’t understand that mental means a lot in gaming.

[@doubleT63]

2:38 Hal could've waited a bit while jordan's being res'd so they can 3v1 properly. Sure they fked up the first half but hal charging alone again just crushed their chance of finishing the fight

[@jamesmelee7976]

Raven was really choking on Hals balls lmao

[@onit_4208]

Bro if Evan leaves hal finna regret it

[@jaybones821_YT]

The second Big E said shut up I said, zipp is all over that clip!!✌🏼

[@jakedeadman7839]

raven is RIDING so HARD

[@ShadowMage_]

Raven isnt being a coach here he's being a fanboy to Hal. TSM should think about that

[@zacharylewis417]

0:38 Hal does this way too often with horizon I swear lol. Dude wants to get shot for free. 1:47 again all on Hal then upset they are not with him. Even if they did drop with him he would have still been knocked. He dropped and got shot for free. He didn't need to drop down like that. Verhulst calls resing and again Hal over peeks 2:45. He didn't need to extend that much. All he had to do was put a few shots and wait for Verhulst to help after res.

[@RaJa-sc7vo]

i rate the effort reven putting....

[@flintburner6313]

Yeah sure, hal did call out that people were going X direction but just going off in your own is dumb. Just because you're igl doesn't mean you can just run off and think your team will be on your ass 24/7. They're doing their own thing, checking angles, trying to LOOT like reps. Stuff like that.

[@laudiemontallana5014]

this one is on hal.. hal wants them to read his mind hahaha

[@iPoW4o8]

Raven looks like gold dust from wwf lmao

[@aketsumi5678]

Both sides are valid but at the end of the day it was a 3v1 and Hal did comm where the last guy was. Reps and Evan lagged a tiny bit behind but Hal also swung by himself.

[@EvilFortress69]

my favorite man children

[@JohnixFTW]

HAL said south and evan ran south, he meant east bad comm

[@peruboy2011]

Dude Raven is just ramming Hal’s joint down his throat…Verhulst is cooking the whole video

[@allowa5220]

Kinda also Hal should call that he going to the slide down

[@x10doeegaming81]

Nah I usually would say Hal need to stop crying but he has a point this time they shoulda been with him to wipe the squad

[@dozzl]

he just blaming he heard the comm that even was rezzing there no world where he peaks 3 times to die for 30 dmg

[@ilyas10city11]

Actually even was a little bit to coocky there

[@SleenDijon]

Raven needs to stop using the word "trolled" to describe situations. It is extremely unhelpful and an unprofessional term to use.

[@TsuyomiDanny]

This video hits crazy after the current drama

[@leechacc387]

Ravens lips look like a strawberry donut after touvhing up hal

[@electricfishegg]

WHY DON'T WE SCAN ON CONTACT

[@rinobito2]

Verhulst was completely right on his situation, and has every right to point out the aggressive communication from hal. Watching the video till the end (basing my judgement from this snippet alone) there seems to be somewhat passive gaslighting towards Verhulst. His(Verhulst) point and view also holds as much in value as Hals'. Its rather embrassing as a coach(Raven) to quickly jump to a side without carefully guaging the dispute properly. From this video alone ive noticed among them: Quick to point at a fault, rather than finding a solution. Playing favorism in a team (doesnt always turn out well). Jordan needs to be more vocal in these conversations. All in all, they need to work on their communications amongts themselves or sadly another spilt might come on their path.

[@unwono]

Even if Hal was right that they should have been there with him, that doesn't make his play of jumping down alone a good one. He should have waited for his teammates but no, Hal doesn't really do that. I agree that they should have been there, but they weren't, and therefore Hal should have waited.

[@roachdoggjr99]

Raven the glazing was insane but the end was the worst part Hal hears more than you do???

[@mrperscat5353]

They both right but hal is the agl and they should already know how to adapt to hals calls n also his mistakes

[@reecerife7839]

Hal just needs to grow up breh, literally throw fits worse than my 5 year old nephew could ever do 💀

[@tharealstndfactz9709]

Not to be that guy, but uh, I think big e needed to not worry about ressing reps and shoulda stayed on Hal to wipe the squad first. Priorities I guess. I think Evan was in his feels a bit too there

[@WXSTANG]

The worst thing you can do in comp is get dropped. Stay up, no matter what. Hal dropped 3 times, and placed himself in those situations on his own without giving any warning to him team on what he wanted to do. Raven needs to be replaced, or Evan needs to leave. Him and Sweet would be a good combo since Sweet actually IGLs properly.

[@ElyciusM]

I feel like the whole argument needed a compromise. I see what both sides are saying. The big mistakes here, imo, were hal pushing up on height, especially re-peeking with 20 health after he got cracked, and he admitted that mistake, and then the other one is def evan and jordan needing to comm more. hal didnt know he was grabbing that ammo. Jordan said he heard the guy underneath so he should have been there with Hal regardless, but Hal also didn't comm that he was dropping down, he just said there was a dude underneath AS he was dropping. And he was so low that he basically crumbled as his feet hit the ground. There's just such tight margin of error, the smallest mistakes contributed to them losing what should have been a pretty easy fight after evan beamed all of them.

[@shift7145]

Evan or Jordan should have commed "you're alone" on the push and to wait Hal should have had better mini map awareness and not have overextended Hal shouldnt scream until post game There a team mistakes happen

[@runderwood05]

Raven meat riding hard on this one

[@JohnixFTW]

its a 3v2 and hal didnt have to swing that, he didnt play his life, idk if raven is just appeasing hal or truely doesnt understand how hal threw

[@tomnelson341]

Bro Raven is smoking crack. Why is he even coaching??? Why would Hal push by himself when he's 50 hp with white shields? Velhurst had barely any ammo the whole time, knocked two enemies, rezzed Hal 3 times, and said he's low ammo multiple times, and somehow it's all Verhulst's fault??? Literal brain dead logic from Raven and Hal just always thinks he's right bc he's the CEO 😵🤷‍♂️

[@eiko3886]

1. Hal called someone was ratting below them and one was running south. Evan was looking for the guy running. Jordan was behind but not close enough to hal following. I dont think jordan needed ammo for that fight. 20 bullets with 3 people is suffice I think for 1 rat while the other is running. I think hal shouldve called he was jumping or waited for his team to be close. Best case would be wait for his team to be lil closer. 2. After that Rez, Hal went up and fought the guy. He shouldve just waited for jordan to be rezed then they could push together and kill. Hal was low and so was everybody else. Hal and raven were right about sticking close together and dropping but in the end everybody messed up here

[@Bum8UrBum]

"Theyre running to the south" implying the last two are running away Hal coms there is one ratting below as he is falling into the hole it was a bad timing comm from Hal and Verhulst and Reps should have just been closer to him as he comms "theyre running to the south" it was just awkward timing no hate to either side it happens not every play is perfect

[@1clippedit643]

Evan is literally 💯 right. Bcs every time hal dies he yells at his teammates i mean he needs to trust his teammates rather than complaining right away , when the whole team gets eliminated just ask your teammates politely what exactly happened and I'm sure jordan and Evan can handle the situation easily.

[@Willsimp4tacos]

Hal lost 3 1v1s. He played too aggressively, pushed height, and gave up high ground unnecessarily multiple times. Verhulst is tired of listening to his bs.

[@doa_retrospect6927]

Raven glazing. It was a mistake no need to fight guys.

[@Michael-rq8zj]

Hal don't get it to a point like you did with Snipe.

[@GiantSlayer1015]

Hal Trolled …. Raven Riding That d ………. Evan Didn’t make no mistake he didn’t go down once only at the end when Hal pushed conduit on a purple trolled … They should just go back to wall They bout to loose both POIs

[@Tremori_A]

All three playing very unmotivated

[@xxvequalizer9826]

If I was Verhulst I would literally say that I am fed up with hals BS and leave the Team. Tgere is a difference between a passionate player and a toxic player that cries about everything. Hal never blames himself.