Versus Battle! Dynaudio Evoke 20 vs Buchardt S400 MK2 vs KEF R3 Meta!

[@nonametofame]

You continue to put out the most accurate, articulate reviews. These comparisons are absolute bangers, and super useful to those looking at uniquely different products. It's pretty much the best one can get without having listening to them. It's way more useful than just measurements, as most cannot appropriately interpret them anyway.

[@NemoPropaganda]

thank you my bro, i was in a bit of a bad mood until I read this comment, you rock! :)

[@timball4892]

That was one hell of a great review! Awesome job describing the differences and potential buyers. I recently bought, and returned, a pair of R3 Metas and was totally impressed and my opinion s are a dead match of what you have said. I only returned as I want to hear both the R7 and R11. My room is fairly large and I would like better dynamics. Don't know if either the 7 or 11 will get me there but I'm going to take a 3 hour drive this week to listen.

[@NemoPropaganda]

thank you bro! It's always nice to hear from the owners of the products! You're doing the right thing, listening with your own ears is the best option when it's available. Everyone I know that has the R towers absolutely loves them so I think you'll like what you hear.

[@marcgallant5270]

I would seriously consider the Reference 1 Meta since R11's are in your budget range. They can get louder and have a good amount of more dynamics over the R3 Meta's. Dealers do have some wiggle room to negotiate the Reference 1 Metas so don't let the MSRP scare you.

[@timball4892]

@@marcgallant5270 thanks I have been thinking that as well only problem is I cannot Find a dealer anywhere close to where I live.

[@marcgallant5270]

@timball4892 talk to the dealer who's 3 hours away :) and/or call around, most will ship. Reference 1 Meta are end game. Literally flawless measurements & performance full range to reference levels. Add a subwoofer + 40/60hz crossover and you'll have audio nirvana!

[@timball4892]

@@marcgallant5270 my current speakers are Magnepan 3.7i's with dual REL T7X's. I'd end up selling the Magnepans

[@dannyfannyfoodle]

Hope you heal quickly and the pain isn’t too unbearable. Loved the comparisons and theoretical potential buyers. What would make these even more helpful is if you talked about not just tonality, but also soundstage and imaging properties, as well as required amplification. Thanks again!

[@NemoPropaganda]

i got braces so it's gonna be a few months :(. My videos are all freestyle, no script, no editing, so I just speak from the heart, that means I'm not always going to cover every aspect, it's just what comes to mind when I sit down and click record :). I have also reviewed each one of these products individually where I expand upon them much further.

[@Audfile]

Beautiful. I chose the LS50 Meta and subs versus the R3 as I wanted that driver unadulterated, in that special sonic-bubble enclosure. And it was for near-field, LS50's butter zone. I got Ls50 metas and 2 RSL 10 mkii for about the same price as a pair of R3 Metas. 10's beat 6's and i could choose where they go.

[@zombielandiii2711]

This is a gift for audio enthusiasts. You're a gift for audio enthusiasts. Thank you very much for this, Mr. Nemo.

[@NemoPropaganda]

you are too kind, thank you for the kind words my bro!

[@Chris-nd5se]

This is one of the best reviews I've seen with speaker comparisons, you really nailed it. Your comments about the Evoke 20 reminded me a little of a demonstration of an older Dynaudio speaker, the Contour 1.1s I listened to in a shop. Your review helped to explain what I was hearing, even though it was a different model of the same brand.

[@hazzy9079]

I used to own an Evoke 20. I've yet to bump into anyone who could describe the Evoke 20 as accurate as you did. I wouldnt have gambled and bought it from the used market if I were to hear your take before the purchase. Not only you have a good pair of ears but your evaluation of its sonic characteristics and delivery was perfect. I could relate to it, totally. Please continue to enlighten us. Thank you for helping us make informed decisions. Subscribed!

[@NemoPropaganda]

whats up hazzy, welcome aboard!

[@user-xg6zz8qs3q]

FYI: low volume champion under $2000 = Closer Acoustics OGY. It's a 91db efficient single driver speaker.

[@NemoPropaganda]

I wouldn't know, they never responded to my emails :(

[@alkebulansan]

I have the R3 Meta with a Music Hall Ikura/2M blue and Accuphase E211. Prior to the R3 Meta I had B and W cdm 1se. Was nervous to change the speakers for years as the sound was so good. Well, I'm glad I did. The R3 Meta are just bloody amazing. The bass drops deeper, way deeper than my previous speakers, the imaging is insane and the soundstage is remarkable. Every album I play now has new surprises. Records I've had for years and years just offer up so many smiles and ooooh moments. It's mad! Totally bonkers. I'm head over heels in love with the R3 Meta. They ain't cheap but bloody hell they'll have you giggling and smiling over and over again!

[@NemoPropaganda]

well said, glad you're loving them.

[@alkebulansan]

@@NemoPropaganda Thanks. Come over for a session when you've got the time!

[@Birmingham_racing]

Good explanation. I've a B&w guy but I do love the quality of bass from my brothers non meta r3

[@yvesboutin5604]

Hi ! Great video with fantastic clarity on the topic ! I was very unsure about those speakers like many others and your explanation cut right through to tell me what I want to know. Thanks so much !

[@geraldgreene5563]

Excellent review of 3 speakers that’s relevant in today’s market, a lot of useful information given the fact a lot of potential customers can’t demo these speakers

[@nicotorres5867]

Thank you for an awesome review! Keep doing what youre doing!

[@NemoPropaganda]

thank you!

[@JayDrinking]

I’m drawn to this page and this page only when it comes to speaker reviews. It comes across as honest and information.

[@NemoPropaganda]

thank you for the kind words my bro!!

[@DrSinisster]

The Realest Audio Reviewer on the Tube. Great as Always Dude 🤘.

[@NemoPropaganda]

thank you for the kind words my bro!

[@Marc-AndreGravel-h7g]

Nice review, Thanks!! I personally chose the Dynaudios paired with Hegel H190. I didn’t regret that choice. Yes it is less open and sharp on top end compared to a Kef but as per i need a system able to play all genres of music and especially old punk and metal recordings..i tought it could made it. This set up is no fatiguing at all and i can enjoy hours of relatively loud music without disagreement… is that the goal in the end ??!! Need to sacrifice some air, openness, sparkle to achieve that. No regret at this point.

[@gokhanersan8561]

That’s exactly why I went for the Dynaudios. Less airy, smaller soundstage, but the right amount of oomph to enjoy pop and rock.

[@ABHORRANCE831]

I haven't heard Buchardt yet but I love Dynaudio for Metal, Hardcore, and Punk. I found KEF too harsh for distorted guitars, triggered drums, and bright cymbals.

[@gokhanersan8561]

@@ABHORRANCE831 Nemo made a great point in this review: “if you have boat loads of money, you can have the best of both worlds.” Probably the most valuable observation I ever heard about speakers.

[@ferchur4833]

Excellent review. You transmit the message very clear. Keep the good work!

[@jasonarsenault3791]

Great work. Grateful the algorithm brought me to your channel Looking forward to diving into your catalog. Needing to get a good analogue setup for vinyl… need to leave the Sonos active speaker situation behind me.

[@NemoPropaganda]

hey man welcome! The sonos convenience is hard to ignore, I use a lot of BT speakers while I'm cooking or cleaning the garage, they def have their use and can actually sound pretty good for what they are :)

[@bengleason508]

Thank you for your low volume comments.

[@seoulrydr]

comparisons work - tyvm!

[@allanwhittle3041]

Great channel , very well presented .Thanks 👍

[@NemoPropaganda]

aye! welcome!! Glad you enjoyed it.

[@NosEL34]

Im on the hunt for a bookshelf & was considering the Evoke. I had the R3 Meta but didn't keep it too long. The KEF is a good speaker, i think its a safe bet for most people. I just don't think the coaxial driver is for me. I was getting a huge open center image but depth & layers weren't the best in my living room. I had no issues with its treble or bass with subs..& they could really throw sounds out into space. Im glad i watched this review..i think I'll pump the breaks on the Evokes. The Cabasse Murano bookshelf's for the sale price are all gone. Maybe i should look into the Special 40's.

[@NemoPropaganda]

maybe zu dwx?

[@cmessi]

Absolutely great review. From top to bottom (treble/mids/bass) AND comparison. I now know exactly how these speakers sound. One question though: amps didn't really change the sound of the Evokes. So, does that also mean: when I buy a better amp, I will not really hear that? Because I am thinking about Evoke 10 with a 1000 euro Cambridge CXA81 or a 3000 euro Naim Nait XS3. Thx. Greetings from Holland.

[@NemoPropaganda]

Hi bro, amps did not change the tonal character but all 3 of these speakers have a higher performance ceiling so if you connect them to higher end electronics in the future you will be rewarded still. Hope that helps.

[@cmessi]

@@NemoPropaganda Great. Thank you 👍

[@YitbosSwede]

@@cmessi I remember hearing the R3 lineup (Meta or not) scale very well with good electronics. I believe it was in Jay's review, basically saying it will perform good/well, but great or better with higher end electronics. Likely not the way you would upgrade, but the ability to do so speaks to the quality of the R3s.

[@johnb6677]

I have the Evoke 20s. Moving from a Unison Research Unico Primo (warm amp) to a Kinki EX-M1+ (more neutral) made a huge difference in sound. This speaker loves power.

[@saifraza9621]

I’m on the lookout for my first pair of high-fidelity speakers. Here are my top three options in India: the R3 Meta, the Andal 1724 M, the Fyne F500 SP, and the Sonus Faber Sonetto II. I primarily plan to use them for watching movies. Please advise me on which one I should choose.

[@NemoPropaganda]

Hi bro, if they are all the same price for you or very close in price the easy choice is the R3 Meta!! For sure not Sonetto, that one is too warm for theater and the bass has more bloom than accuracy, you don't want that. The Fyne F500SP is a great speaker overall but kind of small and not the strongest bass, for theather you want to make sure you have headroom for the loud peaks, R3 Meta is better for that. 1723 by Arendal is great but does not have as strong bass as R3 Meta, so yeah, R3 Meta is the easy choice unless there is a substantial price difference between it and the Arendal 1723. I know I keep mentioning bass and maybe you have a subwoofer too but still you want your main sepakers to have some bass and fullness or they will sound small. Hope that helps bro!

[@jazzabana]

Exactly! This is how you roll! 🎉 Comparisons🎉

[@liamporter1137]

Great description of the three speakers. Thanks.

[@dragonstone6594]

Would love to see you also review Wharfedale AURA 2 and compare it to KEF R3 Meta and Arendal THX Monitor S.

[@johnb6677]

I've had the Evoke 20s for about a year. I would not at all call it a "super warm speaker." I would say it is one of the most musical speakers I have heard. Best to listen to them yourself. Matching of gear is also important.

[@NemoPropaganda]

You disagree that the Evoke 20 is not super warm compared to the R3 Meta??? You can't be serious.

[@johnb6677]

Never heard the R3 Meta. I would not call the Evoke 20 super warm in any discussion of the speaker's general sound characteristics. As always, best to test with your own ears and gear. :)@@NemoPropaganda

[@NemoPropaganda]

@@johnb6677 this is not a discussion of general sound, this is a 3 way comparison.

[@keith6872]

Great review !

[@japansh]

Great review as always. I wished you have included the Paradigm Founder 40B retails about 2400, I was able to compare them to Buckardt only and they sounded better to me

[@NemoPropaganda]

most of the 2-2.5k speakers are pretty darn good, it really just comes down to personal taste, I don't know anyone at paradigm and some of these bigger companies are really hard to get a hold of for small reviewers like myself.

[@japansh]

@@NemoPropaganda I understand and therefore appreciate your efforts. Stellar job on these speakers and also the Rythmic subs - I’ve got two of them.

[@NemoPropaganda]

@@japansh nice, those are excellent subs!!!!

[@neps4th]

I have the R3 (non-meta). Your review relavent for me. I think i would like to try the Dyne myself.

[@Idol_Goro]

Thanks for this review. Already watched the 3 individual videos but this was a good digestible summary of your past comments. I think these three are probably at the top of the list to pair with my new technics amp. I know you've spoken about it before, but would you consider the special forty to be a clear upgrade over these three? I feel like the evoke 20 is more for me, but much prefer the glossy wood finish of the forty. Thanks again

[@NemoPropaganda]

I would easily take the Special 40 over the Evoke 20. Special 40 is more like the R3 Meta & S400 MK2, still warm but more open overall. Everyone loves the Special 40 :)

[@DTHUNDERDK]

Great comparison. Where would the Dynaudio Special Forty sit compared to these? (I know they are more expensive, but I live in DK and can get them at the same price as the Buchardt

[@NemoPropaganda]

The sound to my ears was very similar but I have other friends who felt the Special 40 was a bit of a step up overall versus the S400 MK2.

[@YitbosSwede]

I would agree with Nemo's comment. Had a many showdowns over the Covid lockdown times. Buchardt S400 (MK I), Kef LS50 (non meta), and Elac Adante AS-61 was my comparison I would put in that bracket, and had them all in house at the same time. Kept the Adantes, as they were more resolving and analytical than the LS50, and had a bigger presentation. Buchardt were too bassy in my smaller space at the time, and I remember finding the detail or treble lacking comparatively. S400 were great for the aesthetic and enjoying music more than critical listening. My last showdown with all three was Elac Adante AS-61, Tekton Double Impact Monitor, and Dynaudio Special 40. Adante were too revealing for all my music tastes, and I sold because I could profit. My room was too small to give the Double Impact a fair shake, but same thing as the Buchardts there, too much bass. The Tekton I remember the least, as I remember getting my ears cleaned around then, but recall what most people say about the Tekton sound to ring true. Kept the Special 40s. They walk that line of musical and analytical well, without sacrificing air or spaciousness. Tracks shine when well recorded, and while they can murder some poor recordings, they are much more forgiving than more analytical types, with more bass than you would think. Had them for about 3 years now, but I have a pair of R3 meta coming, and if I like them, it may replace my S40s and SVS Ultra home theater, and roll both into Kef R series.

[@zombielandiii2711]

​@@YitbosSwede Hello, did you have the opportunity to check out the metas?

[@nc3419]

Good comparisons to assess a bit of what these can do. Probably not for me but I would more prefer the Focal and Fritz myself.

[@NemoPropaganda]

The Fritz Carbon 7 is fantastic, little bit of a step up in many ways compared to these, but also a different sound.

[@felipedantas4666]

I was looking at these 3 (believe it or nit). But I listen at really low volumes 60-65dB range. Let the search continue. :)

[@NemoPropaganda]

60-65db in a big room could be 75+dB in a small room so if your room is bigger these may be an option, if not consider the Fritz Carbon 7.

[@felipedantas4666]

Tks, @@NemoPropaganda did not think about that. Room is about 24 x 15

[@jaredpmoser]

WOW I have actually been looking at r3 vs S400

[@NemoPropaganda]

hope the videohelped push you in one direction or another.

[@IrenESorius]

Pffhhhh,, many many many absolute excellent speakers around 2000 EURO/USD,, 👍😋‍‍👍‍‍ My best advice, buy used. There are droves of them out there. My favs in this price-bracket are the Triangle Comète 40th Anniversary,, in Ebony,, soooo good sounding (with Arcam SA-30 or R25),, and soooo beautiful,, ))))))🥰(((((( Thank you ever so much for your time and work, Mr Master Reviewer,, ❣🙏❣

[@NemoPropaganda]

some of the finishes triangle puts on their more expensive speakers are crazy good looking!!!!!!!!!

[@IrenESorius]

@@NemoPropaganda They are,, 💖

[@gokhanersan8561]

Fantastic choice for comparison. Superb analysis….Can you do a 5-way comparison, throwing Sonetto II and Arendal 1723 monitors in the mix? You’d break the internet:)

[@NemoPropaganda]

I don't think the 1723 1s sits at the same table, it's a great speaker and I can see a lot of people loving it but it is the tonal opposite of these 3, more analytical, not warm, very light bass. The Sonetto 2 is more like the Evoke, very warm but to the point of sluggish bass yet slightly more open up top. I'm not a fan of the sonetto.

[@gokhanersan8561]

@@NemoPropaganda That helps so much. Many reviewers will never mention the things you speak about 1723 or Sonetto. Thanks !

[@paulsnow4181]

@@NemoPropaganda I just saw that they updated the Sonetto line to the G2. Wondering how they are different.

[@alanalain4884]

Thank you for these great speakers insight. I was wondering if you ever did or plan to do a special low volume / great speakers, as many of us have often to listen a these 65db low volumes (night, etc.). Best...

[@NemoPropaganda]

maybe in the future.

[@alanalain4884]

@@NemoPropaganda My bell is on... Best...

[@Nekoelschekrat]

I absolutely love my Buchardts. Used with a Marantz Stereo 70s and Cambridge Audio CXN100 its a little piece of Heavon for my Ears.

[@NemoPropaganda]

I'm happy to hear that.

[@seanb3303]

I bet the R3 would pair well with the prima luna

[@NemoPropaganda]

it did, I liked it more with the CHoco though, similar sound as the prima luna but much more powerful.

[@timball4892]

I know they are higher priced than you would normally review but, have you considered the KEF Reference 1's for review? The KEF and possibly the B&W 805D, in some ways, represent the top of the bookshelf speaker range.

[@williamdirks5805]

Excellent review, but I'd like to know a little more about which of the speakers, between the Dynaudio and the Buchardt, has the most detail and resolution. That didn't really come out. Thanks

[@NemoPropaganda]

from most to least, R3, S400, Evoke.

[@williamdirks5805]

Thank you!

[@ABHORRANCE831]

I'm still really surprised by the Dynaudio sound signature change with the Evoke 20 (I wonder if the Evoke 10 is less warm). The Excite line (superceded by Evoke) had balanced mid, and not too warm in rhe low mids, with great top end resolution (basically how you describe Emit MkII, with a bit better resolution, finesse, and tightness).

[@NemoPropaganda]

hard to say, I used to assume the different sizes sound the same but I learned often times a different size in the same range can sound very different like Triangle BR02 & BR03 or Emotiva B1+ & B2+.

[@cmessi]

​@@NemoPropagandaI heard both. It is all personal, but I'd say the 10s are a little less warm overall (in the bass more difference). 10s are more balanced from top to bottom. They have different crossover points too. The 20s sound a bit bigger and with more bass.

[@robertendsley8312]

I have had my eye on the Buchardt for some time now. Recently the Wharfedale Aura 2 has peaked my interest albeit a little more money. I listen primarily to vinyl 95%. 5% cassette. What can I say I am an analog guy. I listen from everything to Jazz, classic rock, singer songwriter, even Metal. I currently have a pair of Paradigm Prestige 15b and a pair / dual SVS SB 1000 ProS. Even though through the app and help from SVS I have them dialed exclusively for bass extension. To get down to 22 to 20hz. I also have them isolated with the SVS SoundPath Feet. A bamboo board and the IsoAcoustics subwoofer stand. Yet my roommate still complains about the “Thump”. Like crystal clear detail and tight sharp bass. What would you recommend to get and put my subs in storage. At least for a little while.

[@NemoPropaganda]

hi bro, unfortunately bass of any kind can and will disturb roommates & neighbors, such is the struggle for many of us. Good tight bass is usually a function of the speakers, amp, room, and placement but the tightest bass around this price is gonna be the CSS Criton 1TD or 1TDX and the non DIY option would be the KEF R3 Meta. But if you're anything like me when you stop using a sub you'll turn the volume up instead and end up with the same problem and those CSS like to be played a little louder to sound their best. With that said the R3 Meta may strike the better balance of keeping the volume down but still having a full sound. Last suggestion is try to demo Dali speakers, I personally don't like their treble but their bass is pretty darn good and might be up your alley!

[@robertendsley8312]

Thank you so very much for answering. For an extra $400 I can go with the Wharfedale Aura 2. How would you compare those to the KEF R3 Meta?

[@bruceandt]

Exactly what I thought. Great job……AGAIN…. The Buchardt puts out an active speaker with room correction lots of tech. What ever happened to the equalizer? Is it a cheat? Or is it just a great way to control your listening preferences.

[@NemoPropaganda]

equalizers are still around, Schiit has a few models but you can't make the R3 sound like the Evoke even with an EQ.

[@royhumphrey49]

Help! I'm looking for bookshelf speakers that are neutral (?) I listen manila to classical orchestral music. I want to hear what I would hear in the Concert Hall! Is that difficult request. No reviewers discuss this option - they are talk about warmth etc...….what is that when listening to an orchestra???

[@NemoPropaganda]

you may enjoy something like the ATC SCM11, I reviewed it a few months ago. kzbin.info/www/bejne/gKutcoadorRkoKMsi=Q-bQxz2piOfvugsu

[@royhumphrey49]

@@NemoPropaganda Picked up after 'lights out', so pc and phones now shutdown and tablet in bed is on silent. Will listen tomorrow late morning.

[@MykWazowski]

Thanks for the review. I'm in the market for a bookshelf speaker used without a subwoofer, the S400 and R3 Meta are on my list. I wish I could demo both before purchasing but unfortunately, I'm unable to. I listen to mostly Rock, metal, and pop, also jazz every now and again. Can you comment on what music you were listening to? A couple questions about your word choice when describing audio reproduction. "Most warm, middle warm, least warm" What do you mean? Does that mean the R3 is analytical and bright-sounding and the Dyna would be a vailed sound? What do you mean by Bloom? I haven't heard this term used. "Bass has a lot of body?" What does this mean? What do you mean about the bass being more technical on the R3 vs the others? and the Dyna having more flavor and warmth? Can you describe how that translates to music? What does "Air in the mid-range" mean? "and air and sparkle"? What speaker do you prefer overall? I'm curious where your preferences lie. I really appreciate you reviewing products. I bought a Rythmik E15HP2 mostly based on your subwoofer reviews. It is a fantastic subwoofer that blends seamlessly. I will most likely purchase both the S400 and R3 Meta and compare them directly, going with the one that excites me the most and keeps me engaged in the music. Cheers!

[@NemoPropaganda]

it's difficult to describe something we can't see (sound) I don't believe I can describe the description any further, usually when someone doesn't understand the words I use it's because they have not heard a lot of speakers and don't have the data points, IE they're very new to the hobby. This is not something I can really help with, after hearing a few different speakers most audio guys intuitively understand these descriptions, it's the reason we all use them to describe sound the way we do. It's almost like trying to describe a broken heart to someone that hasn't experienced it at least one time. It would be very difficult so my advice is get out there and try to demo some speakers if possible. You're also welcome to hop in my free discord and chat with the guys but it will still be difficult to understand the description of sound without more data points. Like how would you describe a violin to someone that has only heard a guitar. Hope that makes sense.

[@MykWazowski]

@@NemoPropaganda thanks man. I totally get it. Also, sound is so subjective, right? I was hoping to get a bit of insight before demoing these speakers. In the end it will be me listening with my own ears and deciding. I’ll let you know what I choose. Thanks, again for the time spent with this review, all your reviews! Cheers!

[@NemoPropaganda]

@@MykWazowski I totally get that, normally we think learning first but in audio data points are super important. You won't figure it out overnight, it can take some time, but it's a fun journey. It took me a long time understand soundstage depth, turns out I'm just not that sensitive to it but now I can pickup on it more easily. So you'll slowly discover what aspects of sound matter to you. If you're in the free discord for sure let us know how it goes.

[@MykWazowski]

@@NemoPropaganda Fun Journey. 100% I’ve been on a IEM journey lately. It’s been fun, confusing, frustrating, rewarding. In the end, probably should stay away from reviews, graphs, subject reviews and just sit back and enjoy the music! Honestly I bet i’d be happy with any one of the speakers you reviewed.

[@NemoPropaganda]

@@MykWazowski we've all been there, when I get like that I remind myself "this is supposed to be fun" and if what I'm doing is not fun I chill and take a step back.

[@robk5745]

R3 meta seems like the most complete bookshelf in its category, ever.

[@NemoPropaganda]

While my heart belongs to the S400 MK2 I agree with that statement.

[@horrorfan6710]

Hi, so if the Evoke 20 are warmest and then s400ii and in third place the least warm the R3's, so where in this tier list would you place the Celan Revolution 3 and the SP40 ? and my follow up question would be which out of the 5 speakers I mentioned not including the Evoke 20's cause I already know I don't want, would be the kindest for not so great recordings including 80's metal? Thanks a lot.

[@NemoPropaganda]

Copy & Pasted from other similar comments: The Celan Rev 3 is extremely good, more towards the side of the R3 Meta but more forward in the top end, warmer in the mids, and bass that is more like the buchardt (not super tight but not slow either). The Celan Rev3 is an absolute bargain at it's price but it does not stage as large as the other 3... ....I would easily take the Special 40 over the Evoke 20. Special 40 is more like the R3 Meta & S400 MK2, still warm but more open overall. Everyone loves the Special 40.

[@michal7x7]

@@NemoPropagandaWell, I loved Evoke 20 more because of this warmth and fuzziness which creates big, tall soundstage even though smeared. Didn't love special 40, though they look so nice. Now I have Evoke 30 and I'm torn as they are more neutral (as SP40 is) and I can clearly hear it's better quality than Evoke 20, but just not pleasant with many recordings (at least in my room) and the soundstage is more focused, much better centered but at the same time it doesn't have the height of Evoke 20, sound small because of that. Evoke 20 certainly colours the sound, some male voices sound VERY different on Evoke 20 than on Evoke 30 (or SP40). Evoke 20 can make unpleasant male voice into something nice to listen to. It's probably fake but it's nice in real world listening. So I would say SP40 for focused listening, Evoke 20 for all day of fun with music at a cost of detail.

[@ericschmitz357]

Nemo: when you talked "sharpness" and "attack" regarding the B S400 treble resonse, perhaps you meant faster transient response? Sharpness and attack typically are code words for fatigue but in the context you used them it would seem to be in the context of faster of cleaner transients?

[@NemoPropaganda]

No sir, I don't use code words, everyone should take what I say at face value. If you think there is some hidden meaning behind what I say it will only cause you to misunderstand. dark bright or neutral refer to treble quantity, fatigue is a little less understood by most but generally is more an indicator of refinement or lack of for the given quantity of treble. Sharp, soft or smooth refer to treble attack, how much resolution or clarity the leading edges have.

[@goodforwatch]

holy cow🤩 this is quite a “flex” if you aks me😂 this is so unfair, you have all these speakers together, what😱 thank you for sharing 🙄 i’m not jealous, AT ALL🧐 😂

[@NemoPropaganda]

I have to send them all back after the review if that makes you feel any better :)

[@goodforwatch]

@@NemoPropaganda no that doesn’t 😂 if it was me i would keep em 😂 i’m glad someone is doing a side by side, i don’t remember stereophile doing this😈 i’m not an audiophile tbh gimme some big vu’s and i’m happy🫶

[@gokhanersan8561]

@@NemoPropaganda Can’t you keep them a little longer, and add a few more to your comparison? Something like the Sonetto II and 1723 monitors? -you did a fantastic job by the way 👍

[@NemoPropaganda]

@@gokhanersan8561 not really brother, you have to think about all the space it takes up with the speakers and all the packaging. Of course most companies will let me hold onto stuff a little longer but I usually send it back within 1 or 2 weeks of the review. Like right now I have already sent back the R3 Meta and Evoke 20.

[@gokhanersan8561]

@@NemoPropaganda Got it. Thanks for the fantastic review anyway. You demystified these three speakers for many people who were eyeing them for a long time - within a compact video. Take care!

[@timball4892]

Thanks!

[@NemoPropaganda]

thank you bro!

[@edmundgil6008]

Nice bro! Get well soon! Tooth! 🙏🏽 🦷 🎶‼️

[@crisjr6478]

Not in the market, but i would never miss Nemo.

[@niklaswaller1917]

Which did you prefer to the Hegel H190?

[@NemoPropaganda]

the H190 is a very flexible amp, the pairings are more personal taste IMO, if you want it ultra smooth & warm the Evoke 20/H190 combo will do that, H190 is mostly neutral to slightly relaxed. WIth that said If I had an H190 and was required to choose 1 of the 3 I think it would be R3 Meta. I like Buchardt more on neutral/analytical amps like Kinki or Emotiva and the Evoke is too warm for my taste, personally the s400 Mk2 is my limit for warmth.

[@niklaswaller1917]

@@NemoPropaganda thanks!

[@dragonstone6594]

Have you heard the B&W 606 S3? I wonder how it compares to Kef R3 Meta and if it's worth paying 2.5x more for the Kef.

[@NemoPropaganda]

I have not but it's highly unlikely. I don't know many products that compete against anything 2.5x their price.

[@dragonstone6594]

@@NemoPropaganda ok Thx.

[@donjaun540]

I'm sorry I thought 🤔 I subscribed. I enjoy and appreciate your opinion. How do you feel about Sonus Faber 2 dang I forgot model but it's $1299❓

[@NemoPropaganda]

I can't remember the name but I know what you're referring to, the ones Andrew Robinson reviewed when he was in his previous home. Sadly I have not heard those ones but if you need a more affordable option the Heco Celan Revolution 3 is insanely good at its price.

[@nc3419]

Lumina II? Now they have an upgraded Lumina II Amator with a redesigned crossover and front veneer, but its 1499

[@donjaun540]

@@nc3419 On crutchfield they have them right now at $1299. I'm not 100% sure of the model. They are Sonus Faber.

[@nickthequick]

I am waiting to take delivery of Lyngdorf's TDAI 3400 and wanting to pair it with the R3 Meta - I know it's not your traditional pairing price wise, but from what I understand the Metas "grow" with the amp - and my main concern is the system becomes too analytical, hoping that the Voice Setting of the 3400 can dial that down a bit. Any thoughts? PS: Got a killer deal on the combo.

[@NemoPropaganda]

I don't think you have too much to worry about, the R3 Meta is not a very analytical speaker, your amp would have to be extremely dry & resolving to make the R3 meta sound overly analytical.

[@respondent5226]

What is the best book shelf speaker you have ever heard?

[@NemoPropaganda]

Mmm, I don’t really believe in “best” because personal taste is a huge factor I’ve had many speakers that I felt were stunningly good at various price points. That aside if you want a simple answer just for fun it would be the Franco Serblin Accordo.

[@carlsitler9071]

Interesting comparison BUT you didn't say which was the high volume champion. I heard the LS50 falls apart at higher volume so I assume the R3 does as well.

[@NemoPropaganda]

I wouldn't say the LS50 Meta fall apart at loud volumes, it's just a little speaker my bro! It's kind of amzing that it can get as loud as it does for how little it is, anywho, I digress. I don't test maximum output, most full medium sized bookshelf speakers (like these) can easily play loud enough for most people so it's not really a question I get very often. The only time I've seen speakers like these not get loud enough is if someones trying to play movie soundtracks that have infrasonic bass or they have a really big room and sit farther away and should be using towers instead. If I had to guess which one could get the loudest I'd say probably the R3 Meta.

[@user-xg6zz8qs3q]

It's no surprise that the LS50 falls apart at higher volumes. The cabinet is very small with lots of foam and bracing. So there isn't much air inside the box. The coaxial driver is quite small too. That's how you get 85db sensitivity with the KEF LS50. That's very low. And coaxial drivers have a lower excursion than separate drivers. Because if the midrange driver flexes too much, it becomes like a variable horn around the tweeter. You get a Doppler effect that way. The KEF R3 Meta has a bigger box with more air inside and a separate bass driver to ease the load off of the coaxial driver. It should play significantly louder.

[@nc3419]

I remember the Paradigm SE-1 could play pretty loud given their size and didn't fall apart when I cranked the volume to nearly 85% or perhaps more of the volume on an HK3490 but its still limited output in a small cabinet. Other small speakers I had couldn't take that much. Boston Acoustics M15 was a bookshelf, larger than the Paradigm and was very dark and dull at low volumes, even at more moderate volumes. But give it power and it sang. But I couldn't listen to that level today and even back then, a few songs or so and only if the neighbors weren't home. That was the speaker designed for loud.@@user-xg6zz8qs3q

[@amb3cog]

I saw someone else comment about the (premier) opening the other day. And now that I’ve seen it. I agree. That’s really cool. But I’m a huge Sci-Fi geek. For what it’s worth. ✌️

[@NemoPropaganda]

me too bro! I love scifi, books, movies, TV shows, etc... Currently listening to Expeditionary Force Book 3 on audible, it's not hardcore scifi but it's a super fun adventure scifi with some of the best banter I've ever seen between characters.

[@amb3cog]

@@NemoPropaganda Yea we definitely seem to like all the same stuff. I’m into RPG’s too. Turn based, and action. Car geek too. Although I can’t really afford that hobby. So I just have a regular old Camry. Car audio too back in the day. Now just home HiFi though. Big into computers also. Used to build em back in the 90’s, and own a bunch now. Pretty much anything electronic, mechanical, and/or modern technology. I was that kid who took apart everything. Just to see how it worked. I’ve not really read any Sci Fi actually. But I’ve been thinking about checking some out. I read all the time, but haven’t sat down to read a whole book in a long time. I watched the new Dune movie on Netflix recently. And that got me thinking about reading the series. But we’ll see. I’m ADHD, and it’s really hard for me to follow through with stuff as I get older. So maybe the audio book thing might be worth a try too. Never done that before. ✌️

[@NemoPropaganda]

@@amb3cog yeah we're pretty much twins, I'm replaying Star Ocean Last Hope right now for like the 5ths time lol, JRPG's are the only type of games I play, not huge into computers but I do have a gaming rig in my living room and PC game using a PS5 controller, 100% into cars and also can't read physical books either. Audiobooks were an absolute god send for me!! I listen in the car and really love it!! If you want something easy to get into check out Shards of Earth by Adrian Tchiakovsky, it's book 1 of a 3 part trilogoy so not too crazy but if you want even less commitment The Wandering Earth by Cixin Lius is a collection of short stories and each one will blow your mind!!!!!

[@amb3cog]

@@NemoPropaganda Where do you get these audiobooks from? I’m interested, but money is tight ATM. Can you borrow them from the library? Or is there a way to download them that doesn’t involve money? Or at least not too much money. As last I checked. Books weren’t that cheap. I was just reading about the 3 Body Problem series, because they’re making a movie (coming to Netflix in March). That looks really interesting BTW. It’s from a Chinese author, but it’s been translated. And I’m pretty sure that audiobooks are available. ✌️

[@NemoPropaganda]

@@amb3cog Yeah, I read all the Three Body books, it's just a bit of a commitment so I didn't want to recommend that right away, the collection of short stories I suggested (Wandering Earth) are by the same author Cixin Liu so it's an easy way to get a taste for his style before diving deep into the world of Three Body. I use Audible Premium Plus, it's $14.95 a month and you get 1 credit a month. 1 credit can be used to buy 1 book, and you can paushe your subscription at anytimes without losing access to the books you've already bought with credits or cash. The first 30 days are free so it's easy to check out.

[@paulschectman6586]

I own a 10 year old Pioneer Elite SVS-33. 8 ohm adjustable down to 6 ohm. This amp runs a bit hot. Would I be able to power the KEF R3 meta and what would the tradeoffs be in your opinion? Amplification and Build ›› 110 Watts x 7 Advanced Direct Energy Amplification (20Hz - 20kHz, 8 ohms, 0.08% THD - FTC) ›› Rigid Trans Stabilizer Construction ›› Advanced Direct Construction ›› Glossy Aluminum Front Panel ›› Energy Saver Power Supply Audio Features ›› Freescale™ Digital Core Engine ›› THX® Select2 Plus Processing and Certification ›› Dolby® TrueHD, Dolby Digital Plus, Dolby ProLogic IIz,› DTS-HD® Master Audio / High Resolution Audio ›› Advanced MCACC (Auto Room Calibration) -- Symmetric 9-Band EQ -- Standing Wave Control -- Auto Crossover ›› 192 kHz / 24-Bit DAC (111 db S/N) ›› 192 kHz / 24-Bit ADC (112 db S/N) ›› Jitter Reduction Plus ›› Phase Control ›› WMA9 Pro Decoder ›› DTS Neural Surround ›› PQLS Multi-Channel Surround (Precision Quartz Lock System) ›› Advanced Surround Sound (13+1 Modes) ›› Wide Surround ›› Front Stage Surround Advance (Focus, Wide) ›› Headphone Surround ›› Virtual Surround Back and Height ›› XM-HD Surround ›› Multi-Channel Auto Level Control ›› Dialogue Enhancement ›› Multi-Channel Advanced Sound Retriever ›› Sound Retriever AIR for Enhanced 2-Channel Playback via Bluetooth® ›› Digital Noise Reduction ›› Midnight Listening Mode ›› Sound Delay (Lip-Sync) ›› Multi-Channel Tone Control

[@NemoPropaganda]

the old pioneer amps were never the most powerful, it should still run just about any speaker as long as you keep the volume within reason. Are you gonna get the best out of the R3 Meta with that amp? Probably not, but should still sound anywhere from alright to just fine. Your room size, listening habits, and personal reference points will be the final determining factor on if its a good fit or not but your amps not gonna explode or anything like that, it'll just run a little hotter.

[@robertwang7825]

Are the Kefs comfortable with a 50W class A tube set amp ? Room size is fairly small around 2.3M between spkrs and same to listening position. Listening level is 70-85dB. I have the LS50 metas atm and they are 84dB sensitive.

[@NemoPropaganda]

in my experience an honest 50w rms per channel is plenty of power for most speakers and room combinations at those listening levels. I'm currently using a 25w-38w (8ohm & 4ohm) tube amp with the buchardt s400 is a small room around the same levels without any issues.

[@robertwang7825]

@@NemoPropaganda Thks for the quick reply , cheers.

[@genaishivatov1737]

Buchardt S400 is also bent over by the more expensive Special Forty - in this company no one is equal to it ))

[@NemoPropaganda]

I owned the special 40 for a considerable period of time and felt their overall performance was very close.

[@likeris2]

I need low volume campions speakers. please do top list for that.

[@NemoPropaganda]

what budget?

[@likeris2]

@@NemoPropaganda 2k pair

[@NemoPropaganda]

@@likeris2 what dB do you consider low volume?

[@-loki-7727]

I listen A LOT lower. My phone it telling me I am averaging 35 dB. Celestion 5's w/ 80w Nakamichi receiver or 120w Proton. Yeah, I'm stuck in the 90's. Can you do a comparison for low level? $2k ish that can go close to the wall. Thanks! +1 sub

[@NemoPropaganda]

that is impossible my bro, something is wrong with your app or the phone's mic. 35dB is about as quiet as a sleeping baby in a room that maybe has a fan on at the lowest setting, like maybe that room will be 35dB. Either way, none of these speakers are low volume champions, around this price it would be something like the Tannoy Autograph Mini, Fritz Carbon 7 SE MK2. On the cheaper side the Heco Celan or even cheaper the Triangle BR03. On the super high end side the Platimon. Hope that helps.

[@-loki-7727]

@@NemoPropaganda Free android app so it's 100% legit!!! I just tried another and it's about 50 dB at my high listening level and low 40's at my usual setting. I have stupid hearing, The phone is 8-9 feet from the speakers, probably should have mentioned that.

[@NemoPropaganda]

@@-loki-7727 I have crazy good hearing too, like I can't do movie theaters because they're way too loud but 40dB is like a whisper! That's maybe 1/4 of a watt from your amp

[@x-techgaming]

Bass specs: R3 Meta = 38Hz ($2200) S400 MK2 = 33Hz (~$2200) Evoke 20 = 40Hz ($2400) *Philharmonic BMR Monitor* = 34Hz ($1800) *Ascend Sierra LX* = 28-36Hz ($1550) HECO Celan R3 = "30Hz" ($ off the market) *Wharfdale Linton 85th/Hertigate* = 35-40Hz ($1500)

[@NemoPropaganda]

I'm not sure why you posted this but you want to be careful when comparing specs like this, many brands rate their speakers dfiferently so I suggest you only use these specs to compare within the same brand. Tires are the same, you'd think all 275/30/21 tires are the same width but they're not because the tire companies all measure them slightly differently, some brands 275 tire is as much as a full inch wider!! Same with bass extension specs across brands.

[@jazzabana]

If you would have reviewed polk r200, my question to you would have been; how does it compare to evoke 20s?😅

[@NemoPropaganda]

the answer is no, R200 is more comparible to Emit 10 or Emit 20 and the Emit range is better.

[@jazzabana]

@@NemoPropaganda 🫶

[@upriseintel9970]

Ive been struggling with my BW 702 S2 being too bright for my liking. Given I have good subs, was looking to move to bookshelf. Really wanted these S400s, but couldn't find a center for it; anyone mix a KEF R Meta central channel with S400s?

[@NemoPropaganda]

based on what you currently have I think it makes more sense to go for the R3 Meta and matching center.

[@tkyr7021]

But is the Carbon 7 SE MK2 better than all of them?

[@NemoPropaganda]

It's a very different sound overall but yes.

[@chrishmeet]

I opted for the s400 mrk11 SE Rust edition, do they have a slightly different sound than the regular mrk11 or is it just cosmetics and a little better parts?

[@NemoPropaganda]

I'm not sure my bro, I generally stay away from limited edition products but I'm sure Buchart audio themselves should be able to answer the question :)

[@cmessi]

I'm almost sure it is just cosmetics, since they do that a lot. If they sound different it should be in the description.

[@y0udefeated738]

I think there’s a brass terminal plate on the back compared to the std model which I have and then some internal connectors are silver plated? They are supposed to sound a bit better than the std version but I can’t attest to that myself. I would have loved the rust edition but just missed out. Oh and of course there’s double the warranty over the normal mk2

[@Raymondey]

Great review! But you didn’t mention anything about soundstage and imaging 🫣 Which of these is soundstage depth king? And does R3 Meta image better than S400 II?

[@NemoPropaganda]

I've done full reviews on all these speakers, all my reviews are freestyles with no script and no editing so I just speak from the heart. Imaging and soundstage are a function of the entire system and room in my opinion but if I had to pick I'd say S400 MK2 staged the largest and R3 Meta had more precise imaging. Hope that helps.

[@phillipmorris9847]

where would the CSS Criton 1TD-X fit in there ?

[@NemoPropaganda]

I'd say it slots right between the R3 Meta and the S400 MK2, it's treble is not as refined as either but very close to the S400 MK2, it certainly would be welcome at the same table. It has stronger bass than all 3 but is a little harder to drive. Hope that helps.

[@phillipmorris9847]

@@NemoPropaganda yes it does thank you. I asked bc most that review diy speakers mostly compare to kit $ and they should destroy them or whats the point, but to know if your really getting value for your efforts id rather know how they stack up at the finished $ if there is 1 or atleast twice the kit $

[@NemoPropaganda]

@@phillipmorris9847 I'd say both the 1TD and 1TDX (with standard xover) both compete in the double their price category for sure. At lest to the point that personal taste will be the determining factor. I could see some people preferring even the 1TD over one of these. It's not better than the R3 Meta but it's close and the 1TD kit is $700 ish. I believe value is a determining factor in how much we enjoy our purchases. I had a friend that got his dreamcar, an S63 AMG Mercedes, stupid expensive car, but he got a really bad deal on it, and guess what, he was never happy with it, he always remembered the bad deal. I have another friend who got a crazy deal on an older honda accord and you should see him drive it, all smiles, he absolutely loves it everyday!

[@phillipmorris9847]

@@NemoPropaganda I totally agree 💯, and If you put your hands on it you double the love for it, so I've decided my end game system will have to be all diy

[@menachemsteinberger8505]

So where would you put the 1TDX with the better crossover in that comparison?

[@pistopit7142]

I wonder what will my system sound, I've ordered least warm of these three, which is Kef R3 Meta, which will be powered by Marantz 40n, which is a bit on a warm side. I hope this is good combination. The closest to this setup that I've heard was Kef R3 Meta and Rotel 14, it sounded outstanding.

[@Manu-yv1jt]

How does the Heco Celan compare to these?

[@b30sail]

I'd like to know too, having bought one 6 the very last pair in the US

[@NemoPropaganda]

The Celan Rev 3 is extremely good, more towards the side of the R3 Meta but more forward in the top end, warmer in the mids, and bass that is more like the buchardt (not super tight but not slow either). The Celan Rev3 is an absolute bargain at it's price but it does not stage as large as the other 3, aside from that it easily competes up to the $2k price category.

[@b30sail]

​@NemoPropaganda Thanks. Loving the Celans more and more as they have broken in. Yes, they have changed noticeably for the better after a few weeks. Perfect choice for my situation as live in a hi-rise and have to keep the volume on the lower side. Is it true they are gone from US? I hope not. A lot of people would miss out even if they had charge some more. BTW, I purchase these mostly on your recommendation. Thank you

[@NemoPropaganda]

@@b30sail I agree, even though I own much more expensive speakers I listen to my Celan's very often because I love them so much! I'm not sure about there future availability in the USA, I think audio advice is still deciding. I emailed them and I'm just waiting for an update.

[@WWeiss-nv5vz]

When you add a speaker stand they basically take up the same space as a floor standing speaker. For the same $2,000 can you do better with a floor standing speaker, especially bass response?

[@NemoPropaganda]

For me it's more about aesthetics, I just love how a bookshelf looks on a stand. There certainly are some bass heavy affordable towers around $2k (like polke reserve towers but those do not have the refindment of the R3 Meta) and I have also heard many towers around that price that actually have less bass than something like the R3 Meta. For example I would take any of these speakers over the Arendal 1961 tower as these 3 all have tremendously deeper bass. The idea is generally you'll get better SQ out of a $2k bookshelf than a $2k tower. Would you rather have a pair of KEF Q950 towers for $2200 or a pair of R3 Meta for $2200? The R3 Meta sound quality is a big step up from the Q950 tower so that is a big part of the appeal for smaller higher end speakers.

[@WWeiss-nv5vz]

So would the best bang for the buck be, high quality bookshelf with decent sub?@@NemoPropaganda

[@6mmBRA]

I have the R3 meta. Tuning is way too bright.

[@NemoPropaganda]

R3 Meta is not a bright speaker, your room may be very energetic or perhaps you need to play with setup a bit more. What amp are you using?

[@cmessi]

Then the Evokes are for you. Or try warm amps: Exposure, Arcam, Advance Paris, Willsenton R8...

[@6mmBRA]

@@cmessi Thanks for the suggestion. I was just wondering what people were saying about the Kef’s. After struggling with them for a few months I decided to build a pair of X-LS Encores. Very happy with them. My take on the Kef’s are that they are good but as the volume goes up it becomes apparent the the tweeter is maybe one to one and half decibels louder. It becomes tiring. Maybe this is Kef showcasing their Meta technology? Or in a demo these speakers would stand out.

[@jazzabana]

Oh and you r missing dali rubicon 2 there.

[@NemoPropaganda]

I never heard it, after the Oberon 1 review I decided I don't want anymore dali speakers, it was so sharp to my ears the review process was very difficult for me :). Do you know if that trend in sharpness continues in their other speakers?

[@jazzabana]

@@NemoPropagandaYes, they do. (8year intensly in this hobby)Lately I have come to the conclusion that speakers and speaker cables should be bought together. This is how I overcome that sharpness. I use supra quadrax combicon 🎉 (take a note of this cables) with them. But when you get them right (no toe in and 1 meter away from the back wall) their soundstage is unmatched, instrument seperation and openness of the sound as well. I go to shops for demo and shops lend me stuff and I always come back to rubicon 2. I visited dynaudio and listened to their lines of speakers and my opinion was that I only would upgrade it to contour 60i. I had kef r3 and it only waited a year to be sold next to rubicon 2s. You definitely need some warm stuff to be combined, like your choco amp and definitely some upscale equipment. The cleanliness of the background makes its magic happen. That is what makes them special imo. There is one account with sound demo comparisons. The account name is ‘mykeldg’. You heard special 40s as well if I am not mistaken, you might get an idea from those videos. Although when equipment gets higher the result gets hlgher as well and in my setup each of my equipments are around the same price with rubicon. And still room to be improved because I have heard them with old hegel h360, it was something. Sorry for the long reply but they deserve recognition. Enjoi!

[@jonbonzo9199]

What exactly do you mean by this "warmth" that you mention 197 times?

[@JorgeGonzalez-vb2cs]

The opposite of bright and ear fatiguing

[@NemoPropaganda]

I am assuming you are newer to this hobby, I can understand how some of these descriptors may be confusing, we are afterall describing something that is invisible so it can be challenging. You are welcome to hop in my free discord and chat with some guys, that may be helpful in getting the basics down.

[@jonbonzo9199]

😆@@NemoPropaganda

[@raymoore8435]

Which speaker measures the best ? Jk 😂

[@YitbosSwede]

According to the internet, whatever gear you currently own when commenting.

[@bryanmorgan758]

.. and then there's the heco celan 3 😂

[@NemoPropaganda]

???

[@b30sail]

Thanks!

[@NemoPropaganda]

thank you for the kindness!

[@smaganas]

Thanks!