Dumble Pedal Round Up | Which one is right for YOU?

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Which pedal do YOU think sounded the best??

[@Ayrton.Cordoba.V]

Love my SSS stacked with a ts808! Amazing sound!!

[@VertexEffectsInc]

@@Ayrton.Cordoba.V That's a great sound!!!

[@craiger2399]

Loved the sound of the SSS and the Supreme. They sound fat, full, and fry-free.

[@VertexEffectsInc]

@@craiger2399 Yessir! Glad you dig them!

[@rocknrollguitar]

I think the SSS sounded best! Im still on the Hunt for a preamp pedal with split output! One Line one DI to go straight into mixing desk of FOH. For now Ill do with the one I built myself

[@davidfellows6250]

the two rock is already a Dumble clone. would it have been better to use something that most people have?

[@drloqutis2492]

I would love to see this with a more common i.e. cheaper amp, The two rock is capable of conjuring some of those tones on its own, so it is kind of redundant. I love your vids and work so please take this as constructive criticism. Please let us hear this type of shoot out with like a blues deville or a jet city city amp, something inexpensive and readily available, hell a boss katana would work as well.

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Dr. if you want most of the individual videos of any one of these pedals, you'll see it's almost always through a Hot Rod Deville or Hot Rod Deluxe. The intent here, and I appreciate and understand your feedback, is to differentiate them and provide some backstory on the differences and how the might react single coil vs. humbucker. I agree it's a good amp, but it's not really capable of overdrive along the lines of these pedals and we tried to set it as neutrally as possible as a clean amp platform. Thanks for watching!

[@drloqutis2492]

@@VertexEffectsInc Your stuff is top notch and i always enjoy the vids and the feedback.

[@VertexEffectsInc]

@@drloqutis2492 Thanks for watching!

[@Aaron.k19]

I own the new ultra-phonix, I think you guys really did a fantastic job. It pairs very well with a tubescreamer in front and really creates a nice voicing in the midrange. Sounds fantastic Well done!

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Great to hear!

[@lowgainproduction9119]

Just got the HRM on special from Sweetwater. I can't believe how well this thing can go from clean barely pushed to full on hot Marshall drive. The Accent and Ratio knobs are extremely powerful. Replaced a low gain OD and a medium gain mosfet distortion and still ended up with more flexibility. Put a TS in front and it will do classic metal pretty well. Very inspiring pedal.

[@VertexEffectsInc]

So glad you dig it!

[@josephcalvey4546]

Those Steel String tones are gorgeous! I’d imagine it sounds wicked with a tube screamer in the front. Very tempting addition to the pedalboard...

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Heck yea!!!!

[@powdershredder1136]

My steel string supreme just came today! It’s fabulous!!!

[@VertexEffectsInc]

so glad you dig it!!!!

[@Grant_Ferstat]

Lowell George, David Lindley and Rick Vito have actually been my favourite Dumble users. :-) Anyway, I still think you should put an UltraPhonix and a Steel String in one box as a dual where you either stack or toggle between each side. That would be a killer box for a small board to use with backline.

[@VertexEffectsInc]

I agree! It would be a great pedal!!!

[@jordandangelo180]

That actually would be a killer pedal. A Vertex Dual Overdrive where you can use the SS side of the Ultra Phonix side or turn of both sides at once and stack them. That would be sick and I would definitely buy it. Especially because I own them and know that the SS stacks incredibly well with any pedal you pair it with.

[@VertexEffectsInc]

@@jordandangelo180 may be in the realm of possibility!

[@instant_coffee_is_evil]

Man they all sound fantastic! The Ultraphonics on my Super !

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Glad you like them! I bet! That's a great amp!

[@Earthstein]

After a few years of buying junk D-style pedals, I am going to get a Vertex. Thank you for this valuable presentation for a player like myself. I am leaning towards the SSS.

[@stratcat688]

Great tones. Great demos. Can’t pick just one. Can’t afford any. So I’ll just watch this a few more times to get my fix.

[@VertexEffectsInc]

perhaps on the used market?

[@weskerckhofs8617]

Great video. Great Pedals. Thank you guys for all the work!

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Our pleasure!

[@markrom2248]

Just added the Ultra Phonix to my wish list! Thanks Mason.

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Heck yea!!!

[@rcanderson4328]

Fair video. My only critique would be this, a lot of Mayer but SRV is used as a example and I haven’t seen anything close to resembling SRV from these pedals.

[@VertexEffectsInc]

RC, you need to check out one of our explicitly SRV tone tasting videos here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pXq7pXmXlNOBmK8

[@youssefkasim7556]

The Ultraphonix hrm is the best pedal I’ve ever heard.

[@VertexEffectsInc]

So glad you dig it!

[@jordandangelo180]

I think so too. It has an awesome drive tone and very stackable as well. All these pedals stack incredibly well. The SS before or after a gain pedal is one of my favorite. I need to try the SSS next. Sounds great.

[@Rezonances]

There is something I'm longing for in the tone which I hear and feel in some of the better original Dumble tube amps, and it's an effortless, punchy tone. It's like a force that pulls the tone from the pickups without resistance. There's less of that resistance in the SSS, but that seems more electronic than the analog lack of resistance which I speak of. So far, the SSS has more of that soul on the transients, but not the effortless sustain like the first pedal in the video. The clean drive pedal has somewhat of a hifi character which I've not associated with Dumble's average amp tone. Maybe there's value in the vintage parts and alloys.

[@VertexEffectsInc]

If you've played some the originals they're certainly special - we do our best to bring as much as possible to the table in a pedal format.

[@colsontowingllc3309]

ultra all day....great pedal!!!!

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Heck yea! One of my faves!

[@waynegram8907]

It would be nice if vertex made a dumble pedal that worked with the effect loop. When adjusting the tone circuit on various amplifiers to be at a FLAT response and use the dumble pedal in the effects loop this will add the tone circuit, harmonics and compression of the dumble. Try working on a guitar pedal like this to get that dumble tone in an effects loop with the amplifiers tone controls set at a flat response.

[@VertexEffectsInc]

It's such a small application, the pedal would be hard to see if it required an amp with an effects loop.

[@pariahgaming365]

I’m sorry but even though the Dumble sound is pretty nice, I also believe it’s been blown way out of proportion. That being said, these are some nice pedals. Great job!

[@AshtonWolfwood]

Are you planning to release Ultra-Phonix HRM mark 2 soon?

[@thomaswalz3515]

Presently using your original bigger Clean Drive. I've recently decided to simplify my board. Im using a volume pedal, compression, Clean Drive, reverb (I like the pedal better than the amp's 'verb). I'm using a traditional Tele with a treble bleed into a Deluxe Reverb with a speaker upgrade. All these pedals are always on. I bounce between Country twang and edge-of-breakup Blues sounds. I use the guitar's volume control like a gain. For Country, I cut it back, open up the volume pedal. For Blues, I open up the guitar all the way, and feather the volume pedal back. I like things as simple as can be... and this rig hit the nail on the head. I can control everything at the guitar and I only have to work the volume pedal... don't have to do the effects dance... The Deluxe has a great sound w/o effects, but adding the Clean Drive is like icing on the cake... it makes a great thing even better. Suggestion... next time you have Tim do samples, please use a backing track, or bring in a band... it would embellish Tim's work, and free him up. He sounded stiff, put on the spot... You do great work Mason, and your videos have educated me so. I will be purchasing more of your gizmos.

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Glad you dig the video Thomas, and thanks for the suggestion!!

[@thomaswalz3515]

@@VertexEffectsInc I'm old. I've seen things, want to see more, music is life. I have much better practice sessions with jam tracks, loops, as opposed to solo. Again, Kudos... Pedals & vids. Keep em coming. Have you considered making a compressor? I'd love to see/hear what you'd come up with.

[@waynegram8907]

I'm trying to put effects pedals in fender and marshall amplifiers effects loops to try to make the amplifiers create more clean glassy texas tones. I have tried using the Vertex Dumble pedals in the effects loops of various fender amps and marshall amplifiers to see if the Vertex dumble pedals might create extra clean glassy texas tones in the effects loop to boost and pass frequencies and compress the frequencies to create more clean glassy texas tones. I have been experimenting using a cheap $20 behringer EQ peal and Behringer Compressor pedal to try to get more clean glassy texas tones in the effect loops. I have also tried using a Tube Screamer pedal with the DRIVE set at zero and just using the Tube Screamer as a Mid boost in the Effect Loop. Maybe Vertex can make a pedal to be only used in the effect loops to really enhance that amplifiers preamp to create and boost those glassy texas tones.

[@VertexEffectsInc]

I don't really think they'll do as well in that place since they're not designed for that application. Have you checked out the Synergy stuff? That's really designed for that purpose.

[@waynegram8907]

@@VertexEffectsInc Synergy stuff mostly steve vai has been using there rack mount pre amps for about 3yrs now. But what is so different about Synergy effect loops? I haven't tried them out yet but I would like to one day.

[@robertsapin5074]

You guys have a plan to do a 3 in 1 pedal? Sign me up!!! Great video thanks!

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Maybe one day!

[@lukepeterson9906]

I love your channel, but I would love to see y’all talk about other people’s pedals more. I have the SRV SSS and it is one of my favorite pedals ever. Thank you for making such great content.

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Have you been watching much of the last month?

[@lukepeterson9906]

no, I’ve mainly been watching your older stuff, thank you

[@waynegram8907]

The Vertex Steel String would need another IR Speaker simulator pedal after it setting on EVM12L speakers 4X12 cab simulation in order to get those SRV Dumble tones. SRV dumble used EVM12L speakers and his fender amps used JBL. Have you tried using the Vertex Steel String in front of the fender amplifier preamp and the SEND output port go into an IR Speaker simulator set to EVM12L cab simulation into DAW or PA system?

[@VertexEffectsInc]

I've not tried that. Does Two Notes have a 4x12 EVM12L IR?

[@waynegram8907]

@@VertexEffectsInc I will look into that because I think if you use an reactive load unit instead of the speakers and then plug that reactive load into the 2 note unit it should have the EVM12L IR. SRV super reverb used 4 X 10 inch JBL which gave him more of a glassy clean tones compared to the stock fender speakers which confused me because I have played fender super reverbs with stock fender speakers but those JBL 10inch speaker he used made it more Glassy Cleans. SRV dumble used 4X12 EVM12L speakers. Check out the IR list of 2 note or other IR pedals they should have a dropdown menu of cabs and IR's but have to search out the speakers they SRV used in his fender, Marshall, Dumble cabinets. I think the Vertex Steel String using an fender amp with a reactive load then to a IR unit set with either SRV JBL 10inch 4X10 or EVM12L 4X12 cabs will get closer to those SRV tones. Its something to try out and make a video one day when you get the setup.

[@TeleCaster66]

I use the Ultraphonix as an always-on pedal at low gain, it gives my Blackface Deluxe clone (great on its own) a sweetness that I like. I use a Supro Drive and a Proanalog fuzz for distortion, but still with the Ultraphonix on. Great pedal from a 42 year player tone snob lol.

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Wow! Thanks for the support!

[@patrickcarroll1754]

Mason, this clears things up like Windex on a window. Thank you for sharing the differences.

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Glad it was helpful!

[@ghaithghantous5725]

It would help if you played the guitar before switching the pedals on to demonstrate the effects

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Most of us should know what a clean Fender Hot Rod Deville sounds like...very uninteresting, no gain.

[@teeveee841]

You should do time stamps in the video to know when you demo the pedals :)

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Good call!

[@teeveee841]

@@VertexEffectsInc is there going to be a new demo on the new Boost Pedal :)

[@michael_caz_nyc]

I liked the SSS best and (the guitar work) playing "Never too Much" by the late-great Luther Vandross.

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Yes!!!! The best!!!

[@michael_caz_nyc]

@Rodney McMinge I've seen him perform 3x's and he is "Effortless" - that guy could Sing the phone book. I also met him (here in NYC) to chat, in Saks 5th Ave = super nice guy too - may he R.I.P. - the NY Times called him: "The Pavarotti of Pop" - Stay Safe brother.

[@captvemo4060]

I purchased one of those Ultraphonics pedals after hearing several demos. When I got it I played it through three different amps one being a fender solid state black face style amp. A quilter and a small tube amp. And every one of them it had a very flubby muddy sound to me. And I really am wanting to love that pedal and purchase one again. I've since got a new amp and I'm looking into another one. I mostly played Blues with the occasional Rock but that never got me into Led Zeppelin Aerosmith territory which probably isn't what it was designed to do. But I do love the sound of that pedal for Blues. Almost scared to pull the trigger again on one though because my first experience wasn't pleasant.

[@swardmusic]

Play with your vol pot on gat

[@michaelcraig9449]

Can you test these pedals out with a Strat, a vintage maybe 1970 Fender Twin reverb, a 1965 Bassman, and an old Marshall plexi? Now that would sound so awesome!

[@VertexEffectsInc]

We could but the thesis of the video is to create distinctions between the pedals and what they do best. This video you suggest would be more of a "how does the pedal sound into these 4 iconic amps".

[@VertexEffectsInc]

@Rodney McMinge if we're just determining differences, something clean is standard - I think it could be a good video to use all those amps just not for this application - adding in those variables would complicate the video.

[@duffy315]

Could you have the Steel String and the Ultra Phonix on the same board at the same time? SSS to enhance the Sound going into the Ultra Phonix.

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Absolutely! And I do!

[@ClaudioMartella]

@@VertexEffectsInc I'd actually do the opposite: an Ultra Phonix into a SSS, the same way folks put an OD into a boost. No?

[@repulgue74]

Hello! I would like to know what is the best place in the chain of effects to place the Steel String. Usually on my pedalboard I have a Wah, a TS9 and a delay. Thank you very much for your answer!

[@VertexEffectsInc]

After your TS-9

[@schipbreukeling3]

The Ultraphonix and Humbuckers.

[@VertexEffectsInc]

That's a magic combo!

[@theWARMJET]

very nice pedals and great guitarist

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Thank you kindly!

[@michaelcraig9449]

You got one that sounds like JIMI, SRV, Robin Trower? Those are the tones I like. Which one will do that?

[@VertexEffectsInc]

All in one…not as well as other pedals could do individually. Most Swiss Army knife pedals are always a compromise.

[@Raydoesitintime]

None of these will sound like jimi. He used a Marshall cranked with a fuzz face

[@jimbob7332]

I'm stuck I don't know which one to get, I play classic rock and blues mostly, I love the SRV and JM sounds sooo much. Would you pair the SSS with the boost? I play through a 2x10 supro royal reverb with a telecaster. Which pedal would you recommend?

[@VertexEffectsInc]

SSS is the most versatile with any amp and guitar set up for sure. It has low to medium gain - so if that's enough for you, you'll really love it!

[@ericfricke4512]

These all sound great.

[@ae3898]

Who are players associated with the EL34 Dumble sound?

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Not maybe, maybe Steve Ferris?

[@francisco.amorim]

I wonder if Ultraphonix overdrive is dark on high frequencies like on this demo or it was a deliberate adjust by the guitar player, e.g., by closing the tone pot.

[@VertexEffectsInc]

You have a tone knob to adjust that however you want.

[@francisco.amorim]

​@@VertexEffectsInc After hearing and dealing with Dumble-like tones, I have noted perhaps three "tone signatures" on Dumble overdriven tones: mid-scooped ones (e.g., John Mayer), mid-boosted ones (e.g., Joe Bonamassa) and mid-boosted, bright ones (e.g., Stevie Ray Vaughan). Some people think that Bonamassa-like tones summarize what a Dumble-like overdriven tone should sound, but to me a good Dumble overdrive simulator should offer the three patterns. The demo seems to show only Bonamassa-like (mid-boosted, treble-attenuated) one. Sorry for the non-scientific explanation, but I hope I could better explain my question on the first message.

[@hahnkook2245]

I recently got this pedal and it works great. But why didn't you tell consumers that the Filter knob functions as a compressor rather than simply blending something?

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Filter knob on which pedal? It's more like a mid-range tone control with a specific frequency target.

[@michaelcraig9449]

OK so is the only difference in Steel String Singer and SSS, the fact that the SSS has an extra channel for going into computers and doing computer stuff? If you dont do that direct computer stuff, and just use real amps, is there any difference in the tone and range of what it does sound wise? Do you got to use ith with amp set totally clean? What if you got a little bit of tube amp gain on also, just a little bit?

[@VertexEffectsInc]

The Steel String Supreme has an extra channel with more EQ and tone shaping options beyond just the standard Steel String. The Steel String channel on the SSS is the same as the Steel String MKII. You don't have to use the SSS direct if you don't want to, it work just as well into an amplifier as well. Most people use the SSS into a tube amp.

[@MrTommyg4]

I dont see many backline Companies Tossin 2Rocks on Stage . How about a stock Hot Rod Deluxe comparison?

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Check out nearly any video of any one of these pedals, almost always with a Hot Rod Deville or Deluxe, the point here is to distinguish differences between them

[@Rick-5728]

Would be nice to hear the amp without the effect turned on, so we can hear what the pedals are actually doing.

[@therealtw90]

Almost nobody doing pedal reviews of any kind does this. If I did these videos I'd make sure that's the main thing I'd do.

[@TheTexBlues]

Love my Mk1 Steel String just wish it had all the dip switches like a real Dumble does.. deep.. bright.. and rock/ jazz switch.. I know the Mk2 SSS pedal has the jazz/rock switch which is making me GAS for that edition now lol .. but I think making the dip switches for all models just like real Dumble amps will set them apart from other “D” style pedals out there.. and would bring a more authentic experience for those of us guitar players that love the sound but could never afford the price tag on a real Dumble let alone the prices on clone amps out there... the Two-Rock is about as close you’ll get to the Dumble sound but still fetch $5k not a feasible price for most musicians..

[@VertexEffectsInc]

This is why we hat the SSS, has all those extra controls so you can get them really dialed in. For the Ultraphonix HRX and Ultraphonix the tone controls are pretty flexibly at being able to create most of that range and because your running into another preamp you have another EQ section there as well which you wouldn't have an ordinary Dumble.

[@jamiemorgan4146]

.... You missed one of the best .The Simble from Mad Professor...

[@VertexEffectsInc]

It's a cool pedal, we don't manufacture it however, nor is it still in production to my knowledge.

[@diegosalcido683]

Both the Ultra Phonix and the SSS sound really good, I’m just torn between which one I should get hahaha. I can’t afford purchasing both right now.

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Just depends on how much gain you want. Steel String Supreme is lower gain, like the Steel String Singer amp. The Ultraphonix is a true overdrive just like the OD section of a Dumble Overdrive Special.

[@diegosalcido683]

@@VertexEffectsInc oh I see. So how would the Wampler Euphoria compare to these two? Is it more like the Ultra Phonix?

[@VertexEffectsInc]

@@diegosalcido683 Euphoria is supposed to be like an ODS style pedal.

[@theloniouscoltrane3778]

How to order the 4 pedals & how much for each? Shipping to Philippines? Want to buy ASAP. Thanks

[@nazarenoscanferlato2154]

I'm planning on changing things up on my pedalboard and I was looking at the SSS and the Ultraphonix, do they stack well together?

[@BuddyBlues]

Like macaroni and cheese.

[@nazarenoscanferlato2154]

@@BuddyBlues Hey man! Thanks for replying to my comment, love your playing, sick musician! Keep it up!

[@BuddyBlues]

@@nazarenoscanferlato2154 thanks so much!!

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Buddy said it all!

[@nazarenoscanferlato2154]

@@VertexEffectsInc I'm loving this thread haha! Thank you so much for replying, looking forward to share pictures of my new board with you!!

[@michaelcraig9449]

What is the difference in Ultra Phonix and HRM pedal?

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Not comparable, two different circuits altogether. HRM is a hot rodded Marshall style Dumble with EL34's, more aggressive, more British, more upper mids. The Ultraphonix standard is the classic Dumble 6L6 sound, like Larry Carlton, Robben Ford, style Dumble sound.

[@marcoviniciopenapitalua9562]

SSS ! I love it!

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Heck yea!!!

[@Rikk_Klaww777]

Hi Mason and G'day from Australia ...love watching and learning from your videos so thank you.!👍 I am soon to be purchasing a "SSS Steel String Supreme" pedal from Deluxe Guitars my go to store for the better high end stuff, just a quick question is it a pedal to run at first of input or after all my drives then into the amp.? I am using a Temple Audio board with all the modules and such. I am 1st going into a Polytune, into Strymon Riverside (using a Basilisk midi-control unit to utilise drives with certain fx patches from TC X5 and using Strymon Midi to 1/4TRS into Basilisk with midi out into the X5. My Riverside "out" then goes into a Hughes and Kettner Tube-Factor, then the out from the Tube Factor in to a BOSS NS2 into an ART CLEANBOX II(to get rid of most of the 60c hum and it works) then out to either my Fender Twin or Various ENGL Thunder and Screamer amps. X5 goes straight to FX loops of the ENGLs and if i use the Twin Reverb i utilise the BOSS NS2 send/return and it seems to balance the FX level to the FENDER TWIN perfectly into front of this particular amp. Sorry for such a lengthy question, but the SSS, in my set up, "where should i place it" for better objective of the pedal: "after the Polytune" or after all "drives" then to the ART CLEANBOX, or straight to the amp/s.? Thanks Mason and once again sorry for long question. Keep up the gr8 work and best regards.

[@VertexEffectsInc]

I would run it after all your drive pedals :)

[@david_heryanto]

Can you explain what makes some overdrive can be use direct to cabsim and some others cann't? Is the corcuit diferent? Thank you

[@VertexEffectsInc]

can you clarify?

[@david_heryanto]

@@VertexEffectsInc Sorry for not clear question. What makes some pedals can be use as a preamp (like vertex SSS)? Is there any difference in circuit? So far I found that any overdrive with cabsimulator can sound good.

[@VertexEffectsInc]

@@david_heryanto SSS works great into an amp or cabinet simulator. The rest of the pedals aren't designed for that application, just in front of an amp.

[@surfthejapstrat7010]

Mason, I have a Fuchs Clean Machine 50. I’m thinking of getting your ultra phonix pedals. Should they work good together?

[@VertexEffectsInc]

That would be a great paring, and if you check out the MKII Ultraphonix it's the same circuit as what you see here, but about 30% smaller and has an added input Boost knob.

[@DooblesGoDoobles]

Kinda wish the SSS had those cool dumble style knobs

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Me too but they won’t fit

[@DooblesGoDoobles]

@@VertexEffectsInc Mm, maybe you could do something like with the SS Mk2? where the most "Essential" knobs are the cool ones, and the rest are those small long ones?

[@VertexEffectsInc]

@@DooblesGoDoobles still won't work...I tried believe me :)

[@DooblesGoDoobles]

@@VertexEffectsInc :(

[@francescofialdini660]

Can the Vertex SS Supreme be used without a physical amp as an amp simulator?

[@VertexEffectsInc]

If you want to run it into another amp, yes.

[@dannydoo123]

I have a Steel string and ultra phonix. what order would you recommend on my board as i use with a boss gt 1000 core

[@gregorykoenigdesertoasishs2848]

how will these pedals sound with solid state amps like acoustic image and evans?

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Solid State for guitar, great...not sure on acoustic amps

[@andretoyo]

Well and if i dont have a good amp and if i only have a jazz chorus in hand, do you guys still recom to get the Clean Drive for JMayerish tone?

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Steel String or Steel String Supreme :)

[@toneleudy]

Jazz chorus is a great amp. You don't have to spend 5 grand for a great amp. I use 2 deluxe reverbs.

[@jonorourke4857]

I have an Ultraphonix. It's clapton in a box.

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Clap Tone!!!

[@scotttucker9346]

The mask doesn't bother me. Maybe it enhances the tone? However, I would have liked to hear the amp by itself since some of these effects are subtle clean tone enhancements.

[@AnodyneHipsterInfluencer]

SSS + HRM = 👌

[@VertexEffectsInc]

OH yea!!!!!!

[@waynegram8907]

SRV used a Modified Dumble amplifier that was owned by Jackson Browne. Jackson Browne says that the Dumble Amplifier was made for him as a special order from Dumble which was used on SRV first album only. So I don't know if Jackson Browne dumble amplifier had 6L6 or EL34 or what is different because he claims its not a stock normal dumble. The Cathode Follower circuit in the dumble power amplifier is what dumble is claiming to give that glassy sparkle texas clean tones. I think SRV liked the Dumble amps because he can "roll down" his strat volume to 6 or 7 and crank the dumble amp up which it has a lot of clean headroom without distorting or breaking up. Most of your demos have the guitars volume at 10 and needs to be at 6 or 7 to get those SRV glassy texas clean tones with the dumble amp cranked adding natural tube compression.

[@VertexEffectsInc]

If you want an SRV demo, you should check out the SRV demo we did here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pXq7pXmXlNOBmK8. That's one side of SRV's sound, I would say the less "iconic" one compared to his more lead sound and he also had a treble bleed in his guitar which helps a lot when you roll down Dumble Amp or Super Reverb era SRV.

[@waynegram8907]

@@VertexEffectsInchow do know for sure he had a treble bleed circuit in his guitar? I guess Cesar Diaz installed a treble bleed circuit in his guitar

[@VertexEffectsInc]

@@waynegram8907 Yes, Rene Martinez has verified this and talking with a lot of the guys around SRV at the time this seems to be the consensus and makes sense given the treble retention at low volumes which would be uncharacteristic of a standard Strat wiring.

[@waynegram8907]

@@VertexEffectsInc yes it does give the treble retention but when fender opened up SRV #1 wife guitar to clone the guitar they never mentioned the treble bleed circuit. Both SRV#1 and Lenny have been opened up and cloned at the fender custom shop and the documents never mentioned the treble bleed circuit. They did find that the tone capacitor was a RED tone cap which was some type capacitor material that was used by fender from 1962-1963. I'm not sure what the RED tone cap material type was used. But Jimmy Vaughan uses a .1uf Phone Book Capacitor which was only used in 54-57 strats.

[@waynegram8907]

@@VertexEffectsInc Benson new fuzz has a built in LCR audio transformer circuit that is a pickup simulation circuit. This would be really nice to have as a pedal by vertex to make a pickup simulation circuit pedal with a treble bleed circuit mode to put in front of the vertex dumble pedals to get those SRV glassy clean tones.

[@JBAikensMusic]

Mason, can the Steel String MKII break up as much as the SSS? Or can it match the sound on this demo?

[@VertexEffectsInc]

No, because you can't cascade two channels into each other.

[@VertexEffectsInc]

You can match the sounds if you just use the Steel String channel on the SSS.

[@michaelcraig9449]

@@VertexEffectsInc Which one breaks up more and has a fatter huger tone? Which one has 2 channels or do both of them?

[@unitedjose]

I recently just got the Ultra PhoNIX hRM AND stack it with The Kilt V2 from JHS. Love my Ultra phonix

[@VertexEffectsInc]

SO glad you dig it! You'll have to check out the new Ultraphonix MKII as well!!

[@unitedjose]

@@VertexEffectsInc thanks bro 🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻🙌🙌🙌🙌

[@VertexEffectsInc]

@@unitedjose my pleasure!

[@unitedjose]

I did a video cover using two or your pedals kzbin.info/www/bejne/fHiwc59tlq-de9k

[@garysalgado9709]

i bought the steel string right before the sss came out now i want the sss 😭

[@VertexEffectsInc]

ahhh shucks!!! Both are great just the SSS has a lot more features

[@DocSigmierRMSC]

What about the first Steel String Singer? I don't see it there?

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Because it was replaced by the smaller Steel String MKII no reason to have a redundancy here.

[@waynegram8907]

Have you tried connecting a MXR mini King of Tone that goes to a vertex mini SSS SRV pedal to get that Kenny Wayne Shepherd sound? because the core of KWS sound is Analogmans King of tone going to Fender Tweed amplifiers with Dumble mods. Listen to a lot of KWS albums to make a video lesson how to nail his tone using a vertex mini SSS SRV paired with an MXR mini king of tone pedal

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Try it Wayne! report back!

[@waynegram8907]

@@VertexEffectsInc I don't own both of those pedals to try it out, don't you have them? This pairing should nail that Kenny Wayne shepherd honky midrange clean tone he gets

[@oldtimer99]

Me again... Where is it best to locate these type of amp pedal in the pedalboard chain?

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Depends on what it's doing...typically later in your overdrive chain.

[@oldtimer99]

@@VertexEffectsInc Being a newbie, I like better the ULTRAPHONIX MKII because I can get (close enough) tone for Robben and Larry by itself and at the beginning. This also answer your question. The SSS Supreme - the Mayer tone is elusive - perhaps because JM plays different songs with different combinations; typically works better later in the chain. In some case, like "Slow Dancing..." seems easier/better to play without it. The SRV is also a challenge, the expectation is to get closer than my skill/patience to tweak it; perhaps that is why you got a new version missing here, the SSS/SRV. Again, not enough experience to have a radical opinion. Thanks for the reply.

[@nicknickson3650]

no MXR Shin Juku drive?

[@VertexEffectsInc]

I don't manufacture that pedal, Dunlop does.

[@Ohnoe1aopk]

Woohoo!

[@VertexEffectsInc]

🙏🙏🙏🙏

[@peteywheatstraws4909]

For $50, steel stringer is awesome.

[@VertexEffectsInc]

But it’s a completely different pedal, completely unrelated circuit.

[@vadakim]

Hi. My friend have an evaluation that the mk2 sounds a little different from the mk1. Are there any changes other than the toggle switch? I am considering changing my supreme to mk2 because I want to use more space.

[@VertexEffectsInc]

The knobs may not be in the same place to get the same sound, the circuit is the same. Any potentiometer can have up to a 15% tolerance difference.

[@vadakim]

@@VertexEffectsInc Thx. Can you recommend which pedal is most compatible with SS among Riot Mini, Wampler Plexi Mini, and Xotic SL Drive? I want to use SS while making my pedalboard smaller, I have no choice but to use the mini pedal.

[@VertexEffectsInc]

@@vadakim I like all those...I'd go with what you got the best deal on.

[@vadakim]

@@VertexEffectsInc Haha okay. Of course, the decision is mine. Have a nice day, Mason.

[@Martin-tm2bw]

I dont know what to choose. The cornerstone gladio sc or the vertex steel string

[@VertexEffectsInc]

They’re pretty different. I think that Gladio is more comparable to the UltraPhonix, the Steel String pedal is a totally different thing. Based on the clean single channel Dumble, not the Overdrive Special.

[@Martin-tm2bw]

@@VertexEffectsInc so the gladio is more like the overdrive section of the steel string. En the vertex steel string is like the clean channel

[@paulvsmith]

In a similar position. These both sound great, and, contrary to Mason's comment below (sorry Mason!) I would say they're very comparable. I really need to stack with an extended range tube screamer. Interested to hear what you buy, if anything.

[@coolhand_leo]

Get the Gladio SC, you wont regret it.

[@Martin-tm2bw]

@@coolhand_leo yes i bought the gladio sc. It s one of the best overdrives i ever had. Much better than vertex steel string

[@josephbarker6075]

its a fun peddle i enjoy it

[@VertexEffectsInc]

glad you dig it!

[@wakjob961]

I know this video is fake, because you can't connect a dirt box with garden hoses and make it sound this good ;-)

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Hahahah! Thanks for watching!

[@pieve5516]

Nicely done. The HRM is on my xmas list. Good accoustics. Hope Tim can ignore the idiot comments regarding his mask.

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Thanks for watching! Hope Santa delivers :)

[@mr.kilpatrick2991]

The descriptive talking is fine but the playing examples suck as he never changes the knobs so you can hear anything. Its really more of a demonstration of his playing.

[@shankrl1]

SSS sounded nothing like a Mayer tone tbh, too dirty. Was like halfway between his "rhythm" and lead tones.

[@VertexEffectsInc]

This is more of a differentiators video between the pedals, if you want to watch some of the tones that explicitly go after the JM tone, I'd watch one our videos that really trying to dial that in: kzbin.info/www/bejne/jqq1Y6CMZt2gmq8

[@Swimant]

ty

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Thanks for watching!

[@patrickcarroll1754]

Well Mason Marangella is taken. But a look like his can be found from time to time.

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Hahahaha

[@tomcoryell]

Do any of these pedals eradicate narrow mindedness?😎

[@CesarLeon]

Why doesn’t anyone use p90s to show this pedal 😥

[@VertexEffectsInc]

??? Not that many people use P90s???

[@josephturner5133]

Some pedels are way to complicated for a musician that has already eight pedels on his board.You want something more simple.For players that are going to just mess with one pedel to play some of these would be good.

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Thanks for watching!

[@booningham]

Why don’t you compare your pedal to other maker?

[@VertexEffectsInc]

That’s not the aim of the video or it’s intent. And, wouldn’t that be a more appropriate video for someone more objective, e.g. doesn’t manufacture pedals - or at least Dumble-inspired pedals?

[@jasonhrvatin1]

@@VertexEffectsInc "Mic drop"

[@jambajoby32]

@@VertexEffectsInc there are a few out there I think j rocket makes one as does way huge But I also get your point!

[@j.p.7708]

I think the DUMBLE should be called “OVERPRICE SPECIAL”😂

[@frankierandazzo1]

Good lord.

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Thanks for watching!

[@josephturner5133]

How about one that compliments your unique playing, not chasing another musicians sound.

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Sometimes we start with emulation before we find our own sound.

[@josephbarker6075]

what tone was the mask for

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Quarantone ;)

[@michaelcraig9449]

How about if you test all dumble sounding pedals, not just the ones your co. makes.

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Would be a great shootout to do with a dealership or someone that carries several Dumble style pedals...the purpose of this video is to distinguish the differences between our models as many customers are confused and when they hear the word "Dumble" they thing Robben Ford (often). This is a tool for us to reference them to so they understand the difference between each model and a sonic reference for each.

[@stratcat688]

TPS looked at a bunch awhile back.

[@VertexEffectsInc]

@@stratcat688 unfortunately none of them based on any actual Dumble amplifier.

[@furryz666]

Vertex is the most authentic imho and most respected when pursuing that “Dumble” thing I own 73 distortions, fuzzes and ODs From my 44 years studio and stage as a professional guitarist I have original fuzz faces, tube screamers, maxon, ocd (more modern) 3 first run proco rats, EH, boss,ect...😬 And I love different ones for different needs Vertex has something a bit different to my ear coupled with the right eq, compression and an busy tone pinky (depending on the room) it’s the closest I’ve come to what I “hear” from Dumble although to be fare I have never played through one

[@VertexEffectsInc]

@@furryz666 Wow! Thanks for that! Glad you dig the suff!

[@elopez7692]

When a take on a blackface?

[@dogpdsound]

I want to buy one but im afraid i'd get one that Tim transfeted covid to my pedal. I think the pedals should of had a mask on also.

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Sounds reasonable...

[@toneleudy]

I also don't get why!

[@bigstick5278]

No one Dumble sounds the same, even if the amp has the same name this is a Unicorn chase.. Best to go after the sound of your favorite Dumble owner musicians tone.

[@VertexEffectsInc]

They all have some differences but also have a lot more overlap than some give them credit for. There is a signature sound there despite being voiced for certain players.

[@kevinhellon4348]

His diddly diddly playing doesn’t let you hear if the pedals have bloom or sustain.

[@olleheed]

This kind of video is useless unless you play A/B so we know what the rig itself sounds like without it.

[@VertexEffectsInc]

thanks for the feedback

[@ryanmaroney4793]

is that mask true bypass?

[@VertexEffectsInc]

it did sound a bit muffled.

[@dwightnicholson2647]

Seems like the Tone is Masked

[@Stonerose17]

Idk who needs to hear this but, get the modler… get the Tonex/ helix/ kemper. There’s legit amps on these things, actual dumble models. I use it instead of an od, instead of my klon I have a overdriven dumble set to one of the foot-switches. Way better

[@mercyrules1617]

What's with the face diper?

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Well...as I recall, those were the rules for operating indoors at that time state, county, and city wide.

[@mercyrules1617]

@@VertexEffectsInc Hard to believe this is America. They control the air we breath inside our home even when we are alone. Because of youtube I guess you are forced to comply. Sorry you had to go through all that! God bless!

[@VertexEffectsInc]

@@mercyrules1617 thanks for watching!

[@tomcoryell]

What’s with your inability to spell?