"Boetie's Brave New Beginning: Rescued and Confiscated from Ex-Pet Life! 🐵🌿"

[@gigicostlow4414]

So glad his owner didn't dump him out into the wild. He'll have a good life with you and hopefully with the other monkeys there.

[@Wendy-cj5yz]

I really don’t understand the need to keep or own wildlife. Ridiculously cruel 😢. Boetie has a chance of a new monkey life. ❤❤

[@kld3515]

Poor Boetie. Glad he's safe at the VMF

[@jensherman2771]

I will never understand why they take the animals teeth. That is beyond cruelty. Thank you for saving him💛

[@LaurieLT88]

To keep them from ripping up the owner. The canines can be about 1.5-2 inches long and are sharp.

[@jensherman2771]

I do know why they remove their teeth, but will still never understand it. They shouldn’t have had him to begin with. I also realize the pet owners never intended to give him up either. I’m glad he is at the foundation now. Thank you so much for your reply. I hope you have a lovely weekend💛

[@rentechpad]

It really is a double cruelty when you realize it is done for very selfish purposes as the owners, for many reasons, do it to try and keep the monkeys as pets or substitutes for children. Thankfully, here in the US they really came down hard on smuggling of the larger monkeys, and either they repatriated them back to the country they were smuggled from or were turned over ti rescues/sanctuaries that were housing their domestically bred cousins that had been freed from product testing labs, pharmaceutical and research facilities and medical/surgical research and testing facilities. This, at least, over the last several decades have limited just how many primates that had teeth removed, or been castrated simply to make them safer and easier for these facilities to handle them with less damage to workers. That does not mean that their is not still issues, even in the US, both with the smaller species of old world monkeys, and many of the new world monkey species. Although importation of either has been banned for a long time and smuggling is rarely successful, there has never been a complete ban on breeding them domestically. For a long time after importation of primates for labs was banned, breeding them domestically for that purpose was a lucrative business. Many licensed breeders also did a side hussle of selling to private individuals or to trainers for acting abd entertainment purposes. At least most of these licensed breeders would castrate males before a private sale so their did not end up being an issue of overpopulation of pet trade primates. They did this totally for selfish reasons as they were making sure they did not find themselves in competition with the equivalent of unlicensed 'backyard breeders'. This had a downside as primates castrated as infants ended up presenting with many health impacts and growth and development problems and these often became issues that sanctuaries ended up having to deal with. The same was true with injuries due to unqualified individuals removing teeth as most vets would not so and as more and more laws changed about actually owning primates species at all, going to a vet usually resulted in the animal at least formally being registered if confiscation was not yet the law, and owners knew that registration could eventually result in confiscation. A great many of these laws were actually put in place to protect the monkeys from ending up in situations that resulted in all the things that could be done wrong by owners just so they could keep their pets. Even with all we know, there are still states that permit private ownership of certain species of new world monkeys withoutvdoecusl permits or licenses. And, even if legal, the fact that its more and more difficult to find vet care for them, this leads to poorer health care and quality of life. When you consider that it's not a huge issue of primates in the pet trade in the US but it is still an issue, considering the US has no natural primates, in a country where they are not difficult to get ones hands on even in one's own back yard, people often end up doing very horrible things sometimes for selfish reasons and sometimes out of quilt when they realize trying to make a pet out of a wild animal ruins that animals chances of going back to the wild. Then, they do things to them to try and keep them manageable because they feel guilty for having put the animal in such a situation.

[@veidaqueen3899]

​@@rentechpadHoly long comment! Whew!

[@susanmiller6023]

Awesome video, I can't wait to see Boetie meeting other people of his own kind

[@rockdocandlittlebird5974]

This is the job I want to do, hanging around and helping rehab the older ones. I'd be happy to sit by his enclosure and talk to him, offer treats, and become buds. Babies are adorable but my heart is with the adults that come in. ❤❤❤

[@renatezylla1421]

In this video I see for the first time that a young monkey that has been kept as a pet since it was a baby should be returned to life as a monkey and thus to life in a troop...Once again, learn I appreciate your great commitment to these animals!

[@Sky00734]

You do an amazing job. I love watching the integration with the foster moms. Your program is so very unique to allow babies to have a foster mom to love and care for them along with a way they can still get the milk they need until they are self sufficient and no longer need it. I haven’t seen it but wonder if the little ones try to nurse their foster moms even if just for comfort and security. ❤

[@karimelby25]

You people is doing a great and important work. 👍 1:46

[@1jessebell]

What a sweet boy. I pray he does okay. 🫶

[@Virgovixen10]

❤Looking forward to watching the amazing new journey of Bow tie! He is precious and deserves a good life. I’m so glad he found Dave and the amazing staff! God Bless. Love and peace to this earth now and for ever!!!❤🙏🔥

[@idbalendo]

Con vosotros logrará la ansiada integración. Gracias por todo lo que hacéis, ❤❤❤❤❤

[@dorothydeese759]

So happy that Boetie was brought to VMF❤

[@julieprior3126]

Very clear explanation of the problems you have to deal with before the monkey even arrives at VMF. There's a lot of learning and unlearning for Boetie to do now. It just goes to show how vital it is to really understand the individual monkey's needs, and how the transition to a troop has to be done slowly and very carefully. Good luck Boetie! You're in very good and experienced hands. ❤

[@jimbowers5402]

Fantastic work. Good to see Simon again. He's a good man.

[@user-hm6bn6kw6k]

What a challenge; if anyone can save Boetie'slife, it will be you. And I just have to ask: why is it necessary to scrub down a cage every day when he is the only one in it? Blessings on you all, Your supporter formerly known as Carolyn McPherson

[@VervetMonkey]

part of quarantine protocol, makes assessments easier

[@LaurieLT88]

Bless Simon, doing the dirty job.

[@bryanreynolds8721]

Keeping monkeys as pets is so cruel. I really wish every country would just outlaw it.

[@pattykelly6621]

They do outlaw it. They need to enforce the laws and help set up more rescue sanctuaries

[@michaelwoo4279]

Can you give an update on the Somangos? I’d love to see how they’re doing. Thank you!

[@stephanieb7311]

Great job Simon.

[@margaretpeggymitchell3138]

very informative!

[@karynkay328]

If a vet removed his teeth, why were they unaware that it is illegal to keep them as pets, or did they ignore it?

[@rockdocandlittlebird5974]

They don't typically go to a real vet. Usually they just pull them out, it's extremely cruel.

[@LaurieLT88]

There is a lot of corruption in these countries and the people are poor.

[@pattykelly6621]

In the US, if you take your 'illegal pet' to the Vet, the Vet is allowed to treat the animal without being the reporting agency. I'm talking about animals that are legal in some states and not others like ferrets, skunks and gerbils in California for example. The reasoning is that people will be less likely to seek Vet care if they think their pet will be confiscated. I don't know how this applies to animals that clearly require special licenses to keep, like big cats.

[@gloribyrd9259]

❤😊

[@stephanieb7311]

The vet should have just admitted they didn't know how old he was instead of giving the wrong age. So glad to see he is eating well and seems to be relaxed. I hope he integrates sooner than later.

[@beckytotten4245]

❤

[@bitsabelle]

Are you able to handle him at all? It must very hard for him to go from petting and loving to nothing. I'm not saying that it was right in the first place but even the babies are handled by their caregivers.

[@lunartears6761]

I’d love to see the differences, if any, of the levels of empathy with these kinds of troops that are comprised mostly of orphans versus the wild. It’d be interesting to see how much more empathetic or tolerant these vervets are at VF after 10-20 more years, when VF will 40-50 years old. The first Gen of rescues will be dead, and some othe older second gen would be dying off, but these generations were and should be affected by trauma and recovery, as well influenced by safe, food rich environments where people and dogs can’t hurt them as well have medical care from humans. It has to shape these troops somehow, and I’m looking forward to seeing the results. These animals are intelligent enough to be capable of learned empathy after trauma, just like humans. I’m sure though that sadly, some may be observed having certain psychological behaviors such as thumb sucking as adults.

[@geebrewer8186]

will he be neutered before he goes to his new troop? Seems like he is old enough to challenge the dominate males of any new troop he might enter.

[@CoachSayre]

Yes he will

[@monicaalvin8239]

Maybe he can never compete with other mails without his teeth but hopefulle he could have a good life at VMF anyhow.

[@rentechpad]

How do you keep monkeys like Boetie, while in quarantine from contact with the wild monkeys that seem to be about. It obviousl that there is distance between the big enclosures for the troops and the quarantine enclosures so there is little chance if disease spreading from anyone in quarantine to any troop, but the wild monkeys certainly could have contact with both meaning they could not just catch something from a quarantined monkey and pass it through the wikd troop, but also pass it to any or all of the monkeys in troop enclosures, especially anything airborne or transmitted via body fluids. I had wondered about this with the babies in quarantine with occasional monkey from the wild troops stopping by the cabin doors where they come face to face with the babies. Given how long the wild monkeys and the various troops have had contact through the fences over the years, its rare that they would have anything that the other was not immune to. But if you have a monkey come in from some other region and it is carrying a bacteria or virus your troops and the local wild monkeys are not immune to it could be easy to have exposed the wild population before its even noticed that the quarantined monkey(s) are ill. In turn, depending on incubation period and how contagious it is, several or all the troops could be infected. This was the reason and the cause for many zoos in Thailand ending up rennovating their quarantine cages to have cages within cages to make sure wild monkeys could not get close enough to quarantined individuals to catch anything from that individual or transmit anything to them.

[@VervetMonkey]

Good point, yes one has to be very careful, consideration is definitely given to all circumstance.

[@beckyrogers923]

Was he successfully integrated? I havent been able to locate the episode that answers this

[@veidaqueen3899]

How is he doing? Update?

[@nargess6565]

Love