The PS5 Pro is a Wake Up Call

[@vextakes]

yeah, if I didn't pause them and zoom in, would you have got it?

[@TheKproductionsful]

I see that limited edition skeletal GamersNexus t-shirt!

[@AlienInSider]

I don't need more details than necessary to be able to play! Yes, IT IS TRUE that some aesthetics are also needed, but... And anyway, I gave up on that square-like micro-soft game after they released a separate version, NOT TO PLAY, BUT TO ENJOY THE GRAPHICS...! In fact, it was one of the last stakes in my heart that turned me away from almost 60% of the new technologies and I'm only looking for rasters!

[@Christopher-ui8xe]

no

[@TeamGB-Diving]

I wouldn't have got it if you didn't pause it, but if you are playing a game then the last thing you are concentrating on is the scenery. I think that this obsession with getting better detail is a waste of time and money, no wonder the cost of developing a games has gone through the roof. I would rather they concentrate on the game play, game content, i mean make it look good but please don't go anal on it. Games are meant to be enjoyed not going "oh ain't that pretty" every few seconds. If they want a frame to look pretty then print it off and hang it in the tate modern, let people game ffs. Sorry for the rant, I honestly don't know where it came from. hahahahaha.

[@chunkyrabbit1032]

got what? it all looks the same

[@liberteus]

I was actually able to tell every time which is the pro, but it's not worth paying 1200 canuck dollars including disc and stand + taxes. it's just plain idiotic.

[@skythundersky1544]

I could tell too but it's so irrelevant

[@Mr.Genesis]

@@skythundersky1544 when you're actively playing a game and in combat/action sequences i don't think any real gamer is going to "Stop to smell the roses" if they're in the middle of fighting an enemy onslaught lol

[@skythundersky1544]

@@Mr.Genesis I mean graphics are nice and all but they've become so good that I stopped caring

[@Mr.Genesis]

@@skythundersky1544 Yeah im at a point i want frames from my games more than i want fidelity. i try to strike a good balance. PCs are just better at achieving the equilibrium

[@skythundersky1544]

@@Mr.Genesis I'm at a point where I prefer gameplay over everything. There's so many great PS1 and 2 games that look like shit and run at 27FPS max but they're amazing

[@KJTD]

Went 6/6 on the ps5 pro quiz. So there is a difference, but to change your entire console for a foliage detail increase is rather dumb.

[@Gamer-vs3xl]

Same I got the 6/6

[@Katze822228]

the first 5 were obvious although the difference was minimal but on the 6th one I could not see any difference in detail

[@kjellbeats]

​@@Katze822228he used a frame with a lot of motion blur

[@Simtatic]

I did score 6/6 too, but you have to consider that 1. It was a screenshot and 2. It was zoomed in drastically. If you were just watching it side by side, you would barely notice the difference. The biggest difference you will notice are 30fps vs 60fps, not some plant which has slightly better textures...

[@AAlgeria]

6/6 was easy

[@purefoldnz3070]

The PS5 pro was the best ad for upgrading to a PC.

[@Uknown76]

Honestly yeah felt the same way you can build or buy a really solid pc with a 4060 or 70 for around 800-1000$ why wouldn’t you go that route

[@purefoldnz3070]

@@Uknown76 exactly, and it will be cheaper in the long run, with cheaper games and no need to play for online.

[@potentatewags]

​​@@Uknown76can you, though? Unless you really are looking for second hand. I mean, the vid card is about 400 alone, 100 or so for the case, 150 for the ssd, 200 for the mobo, then there's the ram for another 150, and whatever else you want to start putting in. So really you're just getting an equivalent for more money in a PC. While it sucks the Pro cost is up from the base PS5, it's still hard to actually build a better PC for less unless you're lucky finding second hand.

[@100organicfreshmemes5]

@@Uknown76 The 4060 is a garbage card though, look up any video on the 4060 and pretty much all the tech channels agree it sucks. You can probably do better for less.

[@100organicfreshmemes5]

@@potentatewags The upfront cost of the PC will probably be more, but you'll end up making it back quickly and saving money in the long run since you don't have to pay a subscription to play online and sales/Steam key stores let you get games for way cheaper than console. 7 years of PS+ Extra is almost $1000USD, definitely over $1000 with tax.

[@thatkingdomheartsguy9615]

The PS5 Pro is supposed to be the definitive edition, but it's missing two huge features that a normal PS5 has. The disc drive, and the stand.

[@rydoggo]

$105 of add-ons + taxes $800 for a PS5 with slightly fancier visuals, nah I'm good. You could build a pretty good PC for that kind of money. Not to mention PC games are cheaper in general.

[@moto6981]

The PS5 Pro is missing games that will take advantage of its power! 😂😅

[@VintageCR]

@@rydoggo you can build a pc for the same money (right around 800 bucks) and beat the PS5 Pro. maybe in gaming its marginable but we are talking micro details (like the PS5 Pro).. if sony wants to trick us, we can trick them with the same tricks.

[@SuperDominicS]

​@moto6981 on the bright side there may be a chance that it can be jailbreaked. Besides that ig you can play spiderman in slightly better quality with it and minecraft with it's maybe maybe-not functional rtx.

[@u2bozzi871]

@@VintageCRno you can’t bro what??!?!?? Your $800 PC want even be as good as a base ps5 you hate Sony we get it but let’s not just blatantly lie like cmon☠️☠️

[@chadisnotachad]

Never become a fan of a corporation

[@Simtatic]

This should have way more likes and applies generally, not only in the gaming industry. Be a fan of good products, not a fan of corporations.

[@khaledm.1476]

Common sense is not common sadly people will base their entire identies over products and brands

[@Neuvalence]

I still have friends arguing about Apple vs Samsung- and after i’ve switched between them every other year, it really doesnt matter. Actually, the corporations benefit by paying less for advertising when they already have loyalists that’ll proudly advertise for them lol

[@Stormlywing]

Like Microsoft Thinking Windows 11 is your home ( sorry i don't see windows i see an Mac clone is that the home than Sorry we not hear you got a office365 here a ad right in the lockscreen so you PAY US ( This why I not on Windows anymore i switch to Mac than windows 11 as it does one thing better ) Better using a path that has the dead island for hackers as other places may used Windows on servers but locally mac so they don't get access to the files Mac - 15.45% ( 56.02% ) less being hits by hackers ( and used on Local accounts without any care ) Windows - 71.47% - You must used an Microsoft account you know the thing that says ( when privacy means no way an hackers would access with onedrive at all our accounts signs in making we basically saying hit our drive ) - how would it unlock the drive easy is would lead to their staff stealing it to access our stuff without an idea of what privacy means

[@idkwhattohaveasausername5828]

To be fair, nobody should become a fan of literally any corporation. They solely exist to make money and will prioritize this over anything else, even if it's not what is objectively better for consumers

[@serevine9730]

Nintendo Switch - 720p (sometimes) while everyone chases 4K, has amazing experiences PS2 - games you still own, you were spoilt for choice, amazing memories, best selling console ever We just want good games

[@amarson2322]

ps2 was peak definitely, there wont be a better console in a long time, xbox 360 was close

[@LordOfChaos.x]

Back when most games ran at 60 fps and not 30.

[@stevenrosscarpenter]

Nintendo figured this out years ago. Focus on games and collectables. Racing for the best graphics is like charging hundreds of dollars for more detailed glare on your chess pieces and thinking people will get rid of their classic chess set.

[@VGamingJunkieVT]

Frankly, at this point, being more portable seems more appealing since graphics are diminishing returns. Laptops can already somewhat do raytracing with Mobile RTX Cards, all that's left is to get it into a Steam Deck / Switch form and the graphics race is officially over.

[@eavyeavy2864]

Say that to gamers saying Muh graphic

[@Ishmel_Ewan]

when the oled came out for the switch it cost 50 dollars extra which came with better graphics bigger screen better kickstand and an extra import on the dock I own the tears of the kingdom model and it still worth the money I spend ever since

[@roccociccone597]

I just hope they're able to successfully market the switch's successor well and not run into a WiiU 2.0 situation. I'm not saying the switch 2 (or what ever it will be called) needs to sell at the same rate the current one does, but they should at least sell 50-60 million units.

[@stevenrosscarpenter]

@@roccociccone597 they made the same mistake with the * new * 3DS. Even worse than WiiU if you ask me.

[@chumorgan443]

There was literally hundred of PS1 / PS2 , exclusive. Look where we are now.

[@ketanahire984]

And I remember we had like 20-30 PS4 exclusive games but for PS5 we haardly have 3-4 that too will land on pc soon....

[@fishyfinthing8854]

Wasted all on Concord and their lives service games plan.

[@mauriciohiure2192]

tbf PC gaming at that time wasn't as popular as it is today, consoles dominated the market way more, a lot of companies only released their games on console

[@MacUser2-il2cx]

Astro Bot is great. All the franchises in that game as little easter eggs deserve to return.

[@KenTWOu]

People demand graphics, graphics cost tons of money, that's about it. If people wouldn't care about graphics this much, AAA games would be cheaper to produce, you would have several exclusives by Naughty Dog alone at this point.

[@GPReeds]

Nintendo won the console wars... but it wasn't because they made the best console, it was because they had more games.

[@roccociccone597]

more good games and also more... shovel ware too

[@CptEddyPrice]

omega lol.... Nintendo still relevant?

[@GPReeds]

@@CptEddyPrice Very.

[@TrizollinTehWorld]

​@@CptEddyPrice talking about who's relevant when you just dropped an "omega lol" like a nerd from 2013

[@MrSitallewal1983]

Childish games yes 😂😂😂

[@rg975]

I’ll keep my PS5 with a built in disc drive and stand that was included

[@ironaston9858]

You payed for it like a sucker tho. Creating a digital version and creating two choices was a sin, and you idiots payed for it anyway. As for me I still have my PS4.

[@ShiftNova]

Same. Which i don't even use.

[@kidchaoz]

Don’t even need the stand. Mine has been up. SO WHATS THE POINT?? Balance!? Nah

[@LaidusonPlays]

​@@kidchaozthe stand is for if you want to lay it horizontally

[@kidchaoz]

@@LaidusonPlays HILARIOUS!

[@uxiii9537]

The thing is. I saw the difference only after you started zooming which isnt indicative of the gameplay experience. You can mostly tell from the sharpness of the grass but you have to be actively looking for it.

[@Dav4iks]

Thats the thing. But will we be able to see difference when it will be played casually on our tvs? That upgrade is soooooooo minor... Back when ps4 pro came out we saw huge difference

[@AbsoleteAim]

​@@Dav4iksWe will. It's just not worth the pricepoint, though.

[@H.E.M.]

@@Dav4iksnot really. Most games just want to 1080p to 1440p and the frame rate didn’t even improve. The ps5 pro looks like a much better pro console but it’s still not worth it.

[@poppyalt7427]

The thing too is that like...all the "blurry" parts were objects in the background. Things irl tend to be blurry the further you go, even for far sighted people they have a limit how far they can see clearly. When playing a game you only need to understand there's something in the background (and you only really need to know that if you're going toward that object/direction in a 3D plane). That guy was right it's the definition of diminishing returns, there's no use for "some things in the background are slightly less blurry than 4 years ago" 💀

[@wolfsbane9985]

​@Dav4iks I'm not advocating for the pro because it's too expensive, but as far as texture clarity goes, you will absolutely be able to tell the difference locally on your tv, much more so than a video on KZbin because of bit rate. It will also be a drastic difference if you're playing on a 4k TV because the image isn't stretched out nearly as far if the game is playing at higher resolutions. 1080p looks worse on a large 4k tv than it does on smaller 1080p TV. The jump to 4k from 1080p is massive.

[@3Gunzdeep]

How many people bought $700 PS five regular additions from scalpers

[@observer.b_e_l_l_i_s]

Exactly.

[@soulvapour]

And more....they were selling stupidly

[@mrpoopypantz4809]

I paid $650 for my series x lol 😂

[@inceptionsd]

Refresh rate is not just important because of smoother gameplay, but even more so because of decrease in input lag, which is a pretty big deal, especially when we talk about 60hz and above.

[@ajjames1960]

refresh rate is important 😂 what are u from 2000s 😂

[@inceptionsd]

@@ajjames1960 Thats why i said "not just"

[@flintfrommother3gaming]

@@ajjames1960 mental illness

[@trunguss]

​@@ajjames1960 Reading comprehension is 0

[@SponsoredbyPfizer]

Refresh rate isn’t any higher than the ps5 amateur on the ps5 pro. They both can play games at 120 fps.

[@wakaneut]

Meanwhile Steam just releases Steam Family where you can share your steam games up to 5 other people.

[@ZaesTakeOnTech]

Not to mention how aggressively linux has “just worked” with quite a few new games, includding wukong with anti cheat. It’s been a good year for gaming low key.

[@magnusnilsson9792]

It's still only renting the games in 6-pack. Why not just cut the price to a 6th, oh wait they want to build a contact web over their users.

[@MacUser2-il2cx]

Mexican related games are 90% off today too.

[@tehehe5929]

It's absolutely wonderful for my family. They play legos from my account for free and I can play Kingdom Come at the same time. Thanks Volvo!

[@Lylcaruis]

@@magnusnilsson9792 what

[@joryuhabibi]

we live in a world where you have to pay 700$ for a console, being able to put a disc in will cost ya an extra 100$

[@krob8823]

Crazy

[@kampi245]

Playstation is just turning into Apple at this point -leeching on his consumerbase -overcharging for minor technological improvements -seeling basic attachments separately -removing core features just because (aka disc drive / audio port) You just have to love the baldness and audacity of big corpos

[@ZuraJura]

Except unlike apple sony depends on their game catalogue which is turning smaller every year. You can use iphone every where and at any time while having camera for social media. Console only runs game at your house which PC can easily do and saves you money in the long run. This is a fool's errand by sony I'm amazed by the shortsightedness

[@puddlez96]

@@ZuraJura If Sony fails I hope the studios that are underneath it are able to become independent. Imagine seeing exclusive Sony publishing titles maybe come to PC in the future?!

[@kidchaoz]

When they changed the earpods(wired) to receiving nothing was shocking but funny how they thought anyone wants to buy airpods after they slapped us in the face not giving us wired earbuds still AS default

[@NetflixForeign]

Except Apple has a TON more functionality on it given how it is structured.

[@TunaNoKetchup]

All this came from the hype the PS5 had, they forgot how fast trends go off this days...

[@Rooks37]

1.The fastest, and easiest way to get into pc gaming is to buy a steam deck. 2.They can't really take away games on the PC without opening a massive can of worms. It would trigger mass piracy, and publishers would lose what little control of the space they have. Remember, as long as you have the files, you have the game. DRM or not.

[@spartaninvirginia]

The Crew and Concord are refutations to your second point.

[@Rooks37]

@spartaninvirginia Do you have the files? Then, if the game is worth it, private servers will be made. Though I doubt anyone will mind Concord disappearing back into the digital aether.

[@spartaninvirginia]

@@Rooks37 I didn't have either, but what I was reading from people who did have them is that the developers are deleting game files for both the crew and Concord if your system is still connected to the internet. Which is frankly insane.

[@dbclass4075]

​@@spartaninvirginiaWorkaround for that is to duplicate the files, and transfer the copy outside the game directory. Maybe a separate drive.

[@Yasashi2588]

Same applies to consoles like wut?

[@9moneyomm]

Sony is the apple of gaming. No new innovations, but ppl will fight you over them. Never thought Microsoft and Samsung would be running things, but here we are

[@zdspider6778]

The PS5 "digital" version was $400. Doesn't come with a disc drive. The PS5 "pro" version is $700. Also doesn't come with a disc drive. Where is the $300 sunk into, Sony? Concord?

[@NatsumeKonno]

Yes $5 more on the controller. The disc drive was $75 but on the pro it's $100 plus the stand is like $30.

[@zdspider6778]

@@NatsumeKonno The "stand" is a piece of plastic. It costs them like $2 to make it. Selling it for $30 is absurd (Apple sold/sells a monitor stand for $999). And a disc drive can't (or rather, shouldn't) cost $100. Fundamentally, it's a technology from the late 80's, early 90's. It doesn't even come with the "Pro" controller that has removable joysticks. Wtf, Sony?

[@Open-MindedSkeptic]

Yep. They want us to pay for the loss of Concord. Not happening.

[@Saint_Mono]

unironically they might be trying to claw back the money from the massive losses they had with concord

[@NatsumeKonno]

@@Saint_Mono 400mil on that fail and barely made 1 mil back.

[@xhenriquefps]

Here in Brazil, games are cheaper on Steam For some unknown reason, Space Marines 2 is 200BRL on steam and 350BRL on consoles, for the base edition Not every game is like that, but games are usually cheaper on PC

[@lstsoul4376]

Sem contar que dá para comprar keys ou piratiar

[@tablettablete186]

350BRL 💀 I didn't know that...

[@GamerBiasaBiasa]

Same with Malaysia. RM 200+ on PS, and RM 160 on steam 💀

[@KlR0V]

Yeah, on pc you get regional prices. Here in Argentina I can build a pc similar to what the pro is meant to achieve for almost the same amount of money of what base ps5 is being sold at some of the bigger stores. Moreover, in the long run I will end up spending less money considering how much the games cost in the PS store. So for me it's a pretty obvious choice.

[@saricubra2867]

And any PC is way better than consoles.

[@ozon3Easy]

As a PS4 Pro owner I’m not buying anything unless they drop more games.

[@thegamingjackhammer6472]

Unironically the ONLY actually meaningful graphics difference to me was Spiderman's head being more detailed. That's it. Pay 700 bucks for a more detailed Spiderman suit? No THANK YOU

[@luckgrip252]

Even Spiderman wasn't as impressive to me. Hogwarts Legacy is something that would take the cake in this particular case.

[@kimberly4275]

I does look sharper in the back but that's not worth 800€

[@phoenixrising4995]

PS5 Pro needs to run Portal RTX like a boss then it’s the best waste of $800USD

[@Summorial2]

I got all of them right but still this shouldn't be above 499$ and the fact that they aren't making games and saying they don't have enough IPs is baffling.

[@Max24871]

What? You can't even see the zebra crossing on one of the images. It doesn't even render.

[@Daniele-PierreDuLac]

I lost it when you called the base version of PS5 "Amateur". Well played sir.

[@heroblake6572]

In a nutshell, you are limited on a console platform vs unlimited on a PC.

[@Coverpage2568]

PSSR ❎ PISSER ✅

[@Minicoup58tv]

Learn to torrent

[@SanctusBacchus]

Shout-out to the built-in YT translate, would have never been able to parse that you meant to say "PISSING" 😅😂

[@ChickenMcThiccken]

PISSD

[@RedEverything]

DLSS vs PISS FIGHT

[@reamoinmcdonachadh9519]

You just KNOW that some fool WILL spend 700 smackers on this thing.

[@jskilabe5986]

you don't got 700 dollars? CHAD WARDEN wipes his ass with 700 DOLLAS

[@Thebasicwhisper]

KZbinrs with a bait title "THE PS5 PRO JUST CHANGED EVERYTHING!!" (insert over exaurated shocked face."

[@leonidas14775]

Yeah, rich kids who want to flex on you but don't even play games where it makes a difference

[@XeonProductions]

I have no doubt the scalpers and Sony pay pigs will make it sell out upfront, but then its sales numbers will be sluggish.

[@Stormlywing]

@@leonidas14775 Sony: Let just increases our PS5 pro GPU speeds we did not missed to update anything ( PS5 Pro CPU going to fall before it did as all i seen the cpu is just running games that should run it at 120hz at half the speed

[@T-v2k]

They literally just turned on anti aliasing

[@darthheretic129]

They literally didn't.👻

[@T-v2k]

@@darthheretic129 no games

[@ThatPortugueseGuy05]

🤣🤣🤣 700 dollars for anti aliasing

[@Sana-Tozaki-TWICE-KPop-1998]

This PS5 Pro price made me so PSSR

[@maxpower2511]

I sent a message to someone that got "flagged" by Sony and ate a 7 day ban. I could not play any of my digital online games. So if you say something they do not like, your digital games go bye bye

[@japanstation1]

Could you provide more info on what actually happened? Digital online games - meaning you have to be signed in (like play station plus)? Sorry for the daft question, but I've tried to stay clear of all that stuff so am unsure. You should tell more people about this.

[@maxpower2511]

@@japanstation1 Yes. So anything tied to PS Plus (Games, playing online, etc) was shut off for me for 7 days. All I did was go back and forth with a friend on messages and we used a few swear words. Sony flagged that and we both ate a 7 day ban. Funny how that works as I get bots spamming nude photos etc and nothing seems to happen to them.

[@oblivieon1567]

Sony can also ban consoles. They do it if consoles are reported stolen, but just the mere fact they can do it is enough for me to stay away.

[@cat_loaf943]

Well, that's just stupid if you ask me. That's what happens when AI governs what one speaks.

[@The_Jest2]

​@@japanstation1 It happened to me too as well, i played a game of "smite" 1v1, i told the guy that the way he played was the most retarded i've ever seen. The Soy-boy flagged it and not even 5 minutes later i was ban for a week, i could ONLY play the games already had downloaded & i could not download any other games out of my 600 games for 7 days. Sony is corrupted to the bones.

[@juanarmslite]

More like 100% Console 0% Games 0% Disc Drive.

[@Hi_Im_o2]

Think about it Sony's just giving free marketing for pc

[@barneyklingenberg4078]

Well the PS5 Pro is definitely a selling point for a budget/mid range gaming PC. I strongly believe the total cost of ownership will be lower on PC. 80 dollars a year less for 5 years PSN essential is already 400 bucks. Add in the stand and disc drive. And you’re already have an R5 7600 build with an 7800XT. Then come the cheaper games on PC with actual online competition. And the vast improvements the modding community has made for many games.

[@saricubra2867]

And the Nintendo Switch, and the XBOX (Gamepass and XBOX store)...

[@platinumplayer930]

@@barneyklingenberg4078 Beside, PC is hardly got scalpers. Of course right now if you buy all new, 700 buck can't get you the same performance as ps5 pro. But, WHY YOU NEED THAT? A decent machine can run almost everygame with high setting on 1080p, or even 2k is enough. We want games...

[@snakeinabox7220]

@@platinumplayer930 it can , a 760 usd pc matches it . r5600 + 7700xt. next gen is about to launch so even better, and will catch up or exeed the rt of the ps5 pr

[@halsaufschneider1446]

With prices like these, going PC is the only intelligent option. People don't even need Windows anymore. Linux basically runs everything and is easy to install. Not to mention Win11 despite the OS being complete and udder dog💩, its free, with some minor restrictions.

[@psylentrage]

No disc, no buy

[@Stormlywing]

that how the old gen ended right - oh wait they was the starters who Sony left be-hide PS1: By PS3 PS2 - by PS3 PS3 - I still used them even today maybe old slow games at least is has one problems - Slower by disc faster by CFW PS3 Barly any new games for new Gen leaves the new ones for the oldest ones

[@aiodensghost8645]

AMEN.

[@Vertilgung]

its conditioning and i bet they will make an artifical scarsity with the disk drives sold separately just like with their elite controller with the analog sticks.

[@Michael-sb8jf]

I have a realitively to me large amount of ps4 games in physical form. I need a disk drive to enjoy the games I bought

[@GeneraluStelaru]

Price, unique features, and plenty of exclusives were THE reasons for the success of consoles. They've all been put aside for some inexplicable reason.

[@TheColson79]

it is easy to tell which one is PS5 Pro when zoomed in but when playing the game you aren't going to see a night and day difference.

[@chrisb7161]

Yes you will if you have a half decent tv/monitor. Games are blurry as fuck right now in performance mode without ray tracing. Being able to play AI upscale 4k at 60FPS with ray tracing is a massive step forward. Ps5 gpu is equivalent to an rtx4070 good luck building a pc with those specs for $700 😂

[@T-v2k]

@@chrisb7161 open a browser on ps5

[@torqq69]

​@@chrisb71617700xt with ai upscale*

[@JjJetplan]

​@@chrisb7161 ​@chrisb7161 Its the equivalent of a 4070 super? 4070? 4070 ti? The new vram speed cut 4070? 😂 smh nvidia...greedy... Its important tho considering all of them can run cyberpunk on ultra settings with ray tracing way above 60fps at 4k, and 60 fps or higher with a path tracing mod or 120-144fps with rt only settings maxed. If the ps5 pro can do that, I will indeed have to pick one up for gta6. I won't be able to wait for PC port. I imagine Rockstar should be able to hit 60fps with a 2 billion budget with highly polished optimization.

[@chrisb7161]

@@JjJetplan on paper based on the numbers Sony released the pro GPU should be equivalent in theoretical single precision compute power to roughly a 4070 or an RX 7700 XT with likely better RT. The pro CPU is the same as base ps5 but with a boosted clock so it could very well be the bottleneck. There’s no way ps5 pro would come close to 4k 120fps with ray tracing not even a 4090 build can do that natively it needs frame gen or dlss. But I would expect 4k 60fps with ray tracing and PSSR.

[@Mr.Eldric]

I’m old man. Just bought my pc 9 months ago. No complexity that a Google search can’t help with. The driver updates takes care of itself So cons are zero. The perfect platform. The pc community is awesome. Helpful. Can’t a State this enough.

[@MaidenlessScrub]

And PC games have access to MODS. Literally the sole reason why so many people switch to PC. Things like randomiser souls challenge run, QoL that devs can't care enough to give, modded skins, etc.

[@DreamyAbaddon]

@@MaidenlessScrub Backwards Compatibility > MODS... That's what makes PC best. Game preservation and emulation. Everything else is bonus.

[@Nitroh-]

The fact that in 2024, 4 years after PS5 released there are less than 5 genuine PS5 exclusive games that are not remakes/remasters, not on PS4 and not on PC. Actually an embarrassment of a console and generation, Sony is cooked.

[@arx117]

This is why many people migrate to PC because it's cheaper in the long run

[@davidaitken8503]

This is why the Switch is so completely dominant. Not only has Nintendo delivered a ton of excellent system exclusives year after year after year, but Sony and Microsoft as well as the rest of the game industry in general is just completely imploding and collapsing.

[@arx117]

@@davidaitken8503 nintendo knew how to ran a company unlike Microsoft and Sony, Sony no longer Giant electronics company like use to be Sony became stagnant since 2018

[@jaysenyork3934]

COVID

[@darthheretic129]

Sony isn't "cooked" lol! They have no competitors. It's why they are doing this, there are ppl who are intimidated by pc.

[@mariozenarju6461]

'Member when Sega was trying to sell their consoles primarily on raw performance they have? I 'member...

[@Davinmk]

There where more blatant issues with Sega lol

[@fishyfinthing8854]

Some thing about the “blast processor” isn’t it? When it was nothing big of an improvement compared to Nintendo at the time.

[@Rayjacker]

The Jaguar selling itself solely on the fact it was "64-bit" looking from the corner :

[@khhnator]

@@fishyfinthing8854 blast processing was not a thing. but the genesis cpu did ran laps around the snes's, you can see it easily on things like shmups, genesis ones are filling the screen with stuff, while snes ones are usually either very empty or full of slowdown... sometimes both the sole exception being space megaforce/super aleste. i swear that game is a work of wizards

[@davidaitken8503]

@@khhnator There were plenty of other SNES shooters that filled the screen and ran great. Rendering Ranger R2 is absolutely insane.

[@LabyrinthMole]

Back in 2018, you could get Dark Souls III Deluxe Edition from Playstation's digital storefront for 75% off during a sale. Then, they stopped allowing digital sales from other sellers. Since then, DS3 Deluxe Edition has never been more than 50% off. This is the same story for a lot of popular digital games.

[@jimmysmomschannel]

yeah... I'll stick to Xbox for a while, I don't remember being rich..

[@AndresColumbus]

For $600 you can build an AM4 PC that will blow this thing out the water.

[@augustas2592]

You cant. Unless all used parts

[@miuletzmitzu6641]

@@augustas2592 Yes you can, and all brand new too. Using Amazon (even though Im not from US) CPU: Ryzen 5 5500 85$ MOBO: Asus Prime B450M 80$ RAM: Corsair 2x8GB 3200Mhz DDR4 40$ 205$ GPU: RX 6650XT 220$ SSD: Western Digital 1TB 75$ 480$ Power Supply 600W Gold 40$ 520$ PC Case 50$ 570$ And you're left with 30$ for some keyboard+mouse bundle. It's a slightly better build than the PS5, slightly worse than the PS5 Pro. All new parts, if you get it used you can definitely build a better PS5 yourself, or buy the whole pc second hand off someone. Forgot to add: The PS5 pro launches around the same time as Black Friday. You will surely get those parts cheaper, so don't give me the "but what if I don't want to build it myself", the discounts will leave you enough money to pay a store or a professional to build it for you. Nevertheless, the PS5 Pro is 700$, so still 100$ more expensive. With 100$ you 100% find someone to build it for you (preferably the store you buy the components from) and even have some extra money left

[@Stormlywing]

@@augustas2592 Which PS5 pro likey may reused is CPU

[@hjackson.92]

​​​@@augustas2592Actually, Jason from PC Builder did an episode critiquing someone's parts list which basically aims to do just that. All new parts.

[@msimrow]

when I'm sitting 10 feet away from my TV it won't make a difference.

[@OmnipotentJC]

The side by side comparisons just look like they turned off Depth of Field.

[@Vertilgung]

exactly thought the same

[@rikki3950]

It's KZbin FFS don't you realise the image is crap, and there patched games not new titles

[@mikemwps]

⁠​⁠@@rikki3950you can see it zoomed in “FFS” who you piping up to

[@rikki3950]

@@mikemwps zoomed in on a KZbin vid haha because that really gives you the full detail doesn't it FFS how thick can you get

[@Mysticgamer]

Sony has lost it. They want 700 dollars for a system to upscale ps4 games. Hell, the last of us isn't just a ps4 game it's a remaster of a ps3 game. Also, so is Demon Souls.

[@miguelmaganromero5035]

To be perfectly honest, yes, the difference is clear if you look at the images side by side, and none should have any issue whatsoever identifying the pro version. That said, noticing it in gameplay is another thing ENTIRELY.

[@leonidas14775]

If people can't notice the difference, then a trip to the optometrist would be a more worthwhile graphics upgrade

[@kirbythekirb59]

@@leonidas14775sure on a still image side by side. During gameplay? I'm definitely not watching constantly the background wile engaging on a game, honestly what's even the point???

[@ProjectionProjects2.7182]

​@@leonidas14775 You can BARELY notice the difference side by side honestly. In actual game play you are not noticing shit.

[@dbclass4075]

​@@ProjectionProjects2.7182Especially on fast-paced games. Doubly so in dire situations (hard boss, critical health, debuff active, etc.).

[@halsaufschneider1446]

Depending on you screen size you will either easily spot it, or just have to believe in Satan Clause. Most Monitor Users won't see the difference if not fullscreening the video and staring for a short moment.

[@thomaswyatt199]

Wait till they announce a $10 price increase for ps5 pro games

[@SilverTester]

Games...are...the...same.

[@adamthiry868]

@@SilverTestersorta. Some games will have specific pro patches to make them run better. But if you buy physical it’s the same game on the disc

[@SilverTester]

@@adamthiry868 ok. You have any links you can provide with this? Or just speculating it will happen, like it did with ps4pro?

[@DLxxx]

​@@SilverTester You can't link things like that in the KZbin comments anymore without getting shadow banned.

[@SilverTester]

@@DLxxx "things like that"?

[@shazta88]

With your test, it was very easy to tell which screens were the pro.

[@Damglador]

4:18 was it supposed to be hard to guess? I got 6/6 right. Didn't even pause the video. I can't say that the difference would be remotely noticable on your (anyone's) TV, but it's there, it doesn't cost... that much, but it's there.

[@lucazani2730]

Well I have a 1440p phone and it was very easy for me too if I put 1440p quality on KZbin. But with normal KZbin quality like 720p people got mad because the differences can't be noticed. Ah yes, still a trash product

[@UltraVegito-1995]

🎵One game, I don't know why It doesn't even matter if you raise the price, trying hard to upscale with AI, it's made unreal 🎵

[@RonaldMcVale]

Haha very funny i am rolling on the floor ha ha😴😴😴😴 very funny ha ha 😴😴😴😴😴😴.

[@aiodensghost8645]

​​@@RonaldMcValeyou're a buzzkill. Why don't you get off KZbin and make your next million? Humanity doesn't matter to you at the end of the day

[@opshredderytp]

This shit is fire PUT IT OUT

[@jirehtheprovider]

Not gonna lie. That price tag is already a bunch of games on top of a Nintendo Switch OLED. More importantly, how many Switches can this buy? Or how many Steam Decks can that price buy? It’s not convincing us On-the-go gamers that Nintendo cultivated to even give PS5 a shot. The PS3 and PS4 is persuading enough in the right circumstances.

[@jmcMateo]

You can buy a juicy steam deck with all upgrades and accessories for that price lol insane

[@Treblaine]

What WOULD be a selling point: 1. quiet fan at maximum power 2. Smaller form factor 3. High speed charging for the controller 5. Dual NVMe slots for maximum storage

[@ChickenMcThiccken]

have sony announce full backwards compatibility from ps1-4. they could price it at 1000 and it would fly off the shelves. people wouldn't give a fuck at that point

[@gab4198]

@@ChickenMcThiccken not gonna happen because ps2 and ps3 are hell to emulate games from, it uses a totally different architecture so it can't be run natively on a ps5, it would require a emulator, if sony didn't do it yet there is no way they will simply change their minds and release a free emulator for their old hardware in the ps5, not when they can get even more money by re-selling those old games or making it part of a service. They even made a ps1 mini some years ago, it run a modified build of a open source emulator instead of sony doing their own thing, they could totaly put a disk drive in it to simply let people play their older disks, but it was only a emulator with controllers that comes with some games pre-installed and no way to oficially put more games in.

[@hugoclarke3284]

6. Wired PS2 controllers included (I'm serious)

[@Max24871]

Yeah no. If they truly wanted to optimize for a quieter fan in a smaller case you wouldn't get a single fps more. That's just not on the table, because the hardware isn't improving that fast.

[@waxdoe115]

​@@ChickenMcThicckenlmaoooo so true.

[@TheAuthorizedJay]

How much y'all wanna bet they were originally gonna use Concord to show off the PS5 Pro?

[@MrOrangeonion]

You are probably right

[@SapiaNt0mata]

ps5 console price is upfront, but you have to pay for online: $80/135/160 per year. the biggest mistake that people make when talking about PC building is this: you can't say "build a PC with same performance and price as ps5 pro". that's not how it actually works. ps5 and PC don't have the same value. PC has free online, play Xbox games, Sony games, emulate Switch games, mods for games, high fps, in depth graphic settings, native 1440p/4K resolution(ps5 pro is upscaled), etc. can ps5 pro do these? no. then how its value is the same as PC that can? it's not. even if you spend $2,000 to build a PC, it's worth every cent you will pay.

[@deathstrike]

Amen!! Yes the entry price is steeper? But in the long run? You get much more value just for not having to pay for service that are mandatory on consoles. PC's generate value. They also can play retro games, modern games, and anything in between with the right setup. The best idea for the modern PS5 Pro? Would have been the PS3's "Alternate language" option that allowed you to run Linux. ALL backwards compatibility natively. Not emulated, nor streamed. That's why the PS3 was so awesome. The 20gb and 60gb launch models could run PS1/2/3 natively with the PS2 Emotion Engine. So if Sony had announced "You can play nearly the entire library of Sony from PS1 to PS5." That alone would have been worth the money! And no I don't mean via their services or streaming. PC now can do virtually all of that and very well. And 800 bones will get you into either a decent new laptop or desktop, or a better "used but upgradeable" rig.

[@Burritosarebetterthantacos]

Because when I want to chill I want to relax at my desk😂

[@SapiaNt0mata]

@@Burritosarebetterthantacos dude, you can put the PC case in the living room and use wireless controller to play games on a couch. there are solutions. you just can't think about them. it's a you problem. and yes, i have seen people having the PC case in the living room and play games on their couch. it's an undeniable fact that it's possible.

[@Burritosarebetterthantacos]

@@SapiaNt0mata Its not a problem to me. I have a nice living room, why would I want a PC in it😂. A console is just easy.

[@DeadPixel1105]

The backwards compatibility on PC really is phenomenal. I remember years ago, back when I was a console gamer, and I'd re-buy all my favorite games with each new console generation. "Okay, I have a PS4 now, so now I need to buy the PS4 versions of GTA 5, COD, etc." But on PC, you only need to buy a game ONCE. And when you upgrade your PC eventually, all you need to do is raise the graphics settings in the game. Boom. Done. Now you're playing an 'upgraded'/'enhanced' version of that game on your new hardware AND you only bought the game once. This is definitely the way to go.

[@lucazani2730]

100% agree. I have just entered the pc gaming system from a long period of not gaming (my high school required an insane amount of hours studying I couldn't game) so I missed so much AAA/indie gems from the last ten years like fallout NV and 4, undertale, the witcher 3, dying light, bioshock ecc..., but I also wanted a system capable of letting me play new cool games like elden ring. No console could do that, but the pc not only could, it was by far the cheapest option (with steam sales the witcher 3 was 3€, undertale 2,5€ fallout NV 2,5€ ecc...). Ten AAA old games on pc costs as a single old AAA game on console because of steam sales

[@BananaBlooD9517]

Backward compatibility is good till you reach games that were sold before launchers. Plenty of 90ies & early 2000 games have a code that requires to be checked online & most servers are down at this point. Also the era of online only games will be a big slap in the face when companies decide they don't want to keep the server up.

[@davidaitken8503]

What type of idiot re-buys the same game when they get a new console? I might pick up something like Metroid Prime Remastered every once in awhile but I still own all of my old systems and games. People that sell them only to re-buy their whole catalogue are freaking stupid. I still have my original NES for F sake.

[@BananaBlooD9517]

@@davidaitken8503 Planty of people do. Just look at how many rerelease & "remaster" we got in the last decade.

[@davidaitken8503]

@@BananaBlooD9517 These will be the same idiots that will scoff at game prices and claim everything is too expensive.🙄

[@kenshin391]

The problem isn't the dislike's the problem is people are still gonna buy it and it's gonna sell out which send's a message to Sony to keep raising the prices because we're idiot's that will buy anything with your logo on it.

[@doranreal]

That first wave of consoles is very likely going to sell out but there's also the consideration of units produced and allocation. This could be far more calculated than people are giving Sony credit for. I view this as a test run for how much they can try to jack up base PS6 more than anything so I don't think they're going to be too bothered by sales numbers regardless of if they're high or low.

[@kenshin391]

@@doranreal OH!.. most definitely it's a test run to see what else they can get away with. The PS6 is most likely gonna be $700 just watch.

[@IgorPadalko]

The three biggest selling points for me been a Playstation user for years have always been these: 1. Couch gaming. I play on a big TV with surround sound system from my couch since PS2. 2. Couch Co-Op. Just power on my PS and enjoy Diablo 4 with my wife 3. HDR just works. Always I guess the Steam deck and recent technologies like Nvidia RTX HDR now allow to make a switch. The PS 5 Pro announce has definitely made me dive into the topic once more.

[@ivanespada9563]

And the worst thing on my ps4 was when I found out about PS+... I bought GTA V, all excited that I can finally play multiplayer, since my PC couldn't even run it, I was able to play for a bit and then, all of a sudden, it said I needed to pay PS+ to play online. I was like WHAT??! Why? Bro, I literally PAID for the game to be able to PLAY Online. I didn't pay for the game so I can do another payment, for something that should have always been free. I was and still am mad about it, but thankfully not long after, EpicGames gave GTA V for free...

[@SilverTester]

Big W for Epic, ngl

[@erickennedy3594]

Ps3 was free online but then microsoft had a great idea and playstation copied em

[@ivanespada9563]

@@erickennedy3594 I know, but oh well

[@sanjeevan9831]

same story, but with battlefront 2. I was stuck with the campaign instead

[@ivanespada9563]

@@sanjeevan9831 :/

[@traxop1902]

Just a reminder, 'Not 60 fps'. There's no hard requirement that these PS5 Pro games have to hit 60 for it to be certified as Pro games. They can't even guarantee 60 fps for £700. Just switch to PC at this point.

[@roccociccone597]

or stop worrying about minor graphical differences and just play the damn games.

[@anon1692]

@@roccociccone597 so.. get a PC lol

[@sandwich4916]

@@roccociccone597 soooo there is no reason for a Pro?

[@thomasjones3206]

60 fps was the standard 10 years. 100, 150, or 200 fps is way way better

[@caphunterx2322]

​@thomasjones3206 i have a 240hz screen. And my pc runs lots of games at 240. I cried when i started starfield and the frames were scratching my eyes at 120fps

[@krispynico960]

Im paying for the experience, not for the graphics alone

[@amlxr99912]

Greetings, I don’t game as frequently as I used to, but I must say that this is quite an outrageous thing done by Sony. It reminds me of how I got manipulated by the marketing of the “pro” for the PS4. I feel compelled to share my experience with the PS4 Pro. When I bought it, I was thrilled and believed it was a great decision. However, looking back, it hasn’t performed as well as I expected. It requires frequent software updates and makes a lot of noise, reminiscent of a jet engine. I admire friends and family who opted for the PS4 Slim instead of falling for the "Pro offers a significantly better gaming experience" pitch. Their consoles were more cost-effective, quieter, and just as satisfying. In retrospect, it might be worth considering investing in a decent gaming PC for around $700, which could offer better value and performance.

[@daijahchristine]

I appreciate you for your input

[@aiodensghost8645]

In way, you did yourself dirty, but also you opened up an option that the 4 launch and 4 Slim can't handle as well: PSVR. Otherwise, I got mine to replace a launch system that died. The extra 5 frames a second is also not a big deal unless you religiously play FPS games, and at the time I was a Destiny nerd.

[@thomastakesatollforthedark2231]

This entire controversy, as a Nintendo fan, has been like hearing your neighbours have an argument so you get up on a stool to watch and the garden has already burnt down

[@Davinmk]

You are a Nintendo fan, your house has already burned down a long time ago

[@thomastakesatollforthedark2231]

@@Davinmk idk the switch is pretty great. Least it's got games

[@aiodensghost8645]

​​@@Davinmk*laughs in all 4* I'm sorry child, but you are mistaken. PS and Xbox garden's were razed in a mania November 2020.

[@MetalMania343]

@@Davinmk I find it funny how Playstation and Xbox fans like to hate on Nintendo because of switch game pricing, as if their games ever go on sale either. At least with Nintendo, your first party games are guaranteed to be good, your console is cheaper, and you can take it on the go. Neither Xbox or Playstation has given me a valid reason to spend 500 US dollars on their consoles, and they've been consistently getting into controversy after controversy.

[@Davinmk]

@@MetalMania343 I’m not a fan of any console maker. I don’t even hate on Nintendo for their switch pricing, I hate on them for being the worst company when it comes to being consumer friendly. PlayStation games go in regular sale, even on pc. Not every Nintendo game is good, the most selling games are just rerereleases of the sames that existed for decades, they do have very good games, but they are all already very established IP’s. Your console is cheaper? Maybe if you ignore the insane difference in computing performance. I can agree that Xbox is not really it but as far as I can tell the 500$ ps5 was and still is good value. And if you care about handhelds you can just get a handheld that will be able to emulate the switch games at a higher performance. Also don’t even mention controversy as if Nintendo isn’t the most shady out of these 3 😭

[@Nauzhror1216]

Very easy to tell which was the pro in all 6 comparisons. Not saying it's a giant upgrade, but it IS very visible.

[@JeanRosa-qc3mb]

Sony fans are DELUTED, they can do the most insane mental gymnastics to validate anything like this. just so they can sleep better. enjoy buying a "new" console to play last gen games.

[@danielrobinson9367]

*deluded

[@smtek]

Fun fact, in linux you dont need to update any driver, the update command do it for all packages at once.

[@Rullino32]

True, but the only disadvantages that may or may not be a problem is not having Radeon Software or Nvidia App, especially for some features that only exist there, otherwise Linux would've been a great replacement for Windows, correct me if I'm wrong.

[@smtek]

@@Rullino32 You are right, we have alternatives to those software but you will be missing some features. I myself run a dual boot with Win 11 and Arch Linux, still looking forward to the day I can safelly uninstall Windows !

[@Skeleleman]

The abandonment of physical copies is really sad. You grab the disc for cheap from second hands some time after the release. (The ps3 games were dirt cheap). But now this practice is falling into oblivion as you really can't pass the digital copy around and Sony can charge any money they want for old games.

[@stevenwest1494]

Why I don't understand if this is such a design overhaul in GPU, why didn't they move on from Zen 2, to at least Zen 3, a gain of at least 20fps. Zen 3+ in fact is already designed for laptops in a low power mode and low heat, perfect for consoles.

[@vextakes]

yeah I think Hogwarts Legacy with RT is still running 30 FPS because of CPU limits. odd decision

[@lunawense6288]

The consoles could always handle a decently high wattage anyways. There's more than enough space to fit a decent cooling solution in it. Why they ordered out dated hardware from AMD we'll never know. Maybe they got a huge discount or something. The PS5 PRO really should have been on a more modern architecture it would have been quite a bit more powerful. The 16gb instead of 24gb was also a conflicting decision that's gonna gimp the console in the future for what amounts to a tiny chip cost

[@NicholasStabile]

I'm betting there was a lot of pushback from developers, in that it would make more work for them just targeting even more SKUs, where as if they kept the same CPU, it helps make their job easier...even though if they ever plan on doing PC ports in the future, they'll have to put in more work than that...

[@krazycharlie]

@@vextakes I'm assuming it's to keep costs as low as possible. Don't quote me on this, though. I'm just saying random stuff without any inside knowledge.

[@jforce321]

The whole thing about 60 FPS is that it's not even guaranteed as they're not upgrading the CPU in the PS5 pro (same zen 2 cores). If you CPU bottleneck and couldn't hit 60 FPS on that console don't think it's going to change with the PS5 pro.

[@Mr.Genesis]

SOME games will be updated "Not all" so unlike a PC GPU upgrade which uplifts ALL GAMES ACROSS THE WHOLE PC. it will be up to the Developers of specific games to even implement these features or performance gains.

[@mitsuhh]

There aren't any games a Zen 2 CPU can't run at 60fps

[@Mr.Genesis]

@@mitsuhh doesn't matter. Developers are the ones who set the game for its performance not the console's hardware.. Dragon's Dogma 2 is 30fps on Xbox and PS5. Capcom capped the game on console. unless they uncap it.. its never going to be a 60fps game on console Period

[@mitsuhh]

@@Mr.Genesis K?

[@Mr.Genesis]

@@mitsuhh Potassium. Don''t comment if you don't like to read. This is a comment section for discussion.

[@ashab4444]

Not to mention the free child friendly website games that pc has access to, which console doesn't

[@BeatmasterAC]

After the PS5 Pro Price Reveal, it reminded me of something: back in 1994: * Playstation CEO walks on Stage* : "Playstation 1 for $299." * walks off Stage * * Kills the SEGA Saturn * 2024/2025: * Nintendo CEO walks on Stage*: "Switch 2 for $399". * walks off Stage * * Kills the PS5 Pro * XD

[@AuroraDawnxx97]

not the best match because the Switch targets a different audience but would be funny if that did happen lol

[@gamzillio]

Nintendo are in their own world.

[@yumenoseikatsu]

​@@gamzillio they are, but if they announce the Switch 2 and costs way less than the PS5 Pro, I'll laugh loudly. Both consoles are for different target audiences, but it'd still be funny.

[@PJ-sv4iw]

@@yumenoseikatsu It definitely won't be more than $400 (Switch 2). Not even the same comparison.

[@yumenoseikatsu]

@@PJ-sv4iw most likely less than $400, but I'd also expect the top price to be $450 max. A Nintendo console that costs more than $500 would be excessive. I know it's not the same comparison, but I just think it'd be funny to see the new console costing less than the PS5 Pro, and having actual improvements in comparison.

[@joopvanhedel1372]

Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth will probably no longer be an exclusive game soon. Square Enix already said that they are going cross platform and the past 8 to 10 games have sold very poorly because they can only be played on the PS5. It will probably get a Switch 2 and Xbox Series X version

[@RB26N]

there are like 2 exclusive worth playing for this entier ps5 gen lmao. it needed WAY more games , games made in asian countries specifically.....west is busy with pronouns.

[@reD_Bo0n]

Got the quiz right, even without zooming... Yay?

[@leonidas14775]

Me too, but it's not a difference I'd pay $700+ for

[@reD_Bo0n]

@@leonidas14775 If there would be a reason to own a PlayStation maybe, but right now my PC is sufficient

[@leonidas14775]

@@reD_Bo0n I agree, why spend more when you're happy with what you already own

[@bfish9700]

Dont own a ps5, not buying a pro to spend snother $100 on the games i want that i can't get on pc.

[@Creator_Veeto_PAEACP]

Why are you here then? 😂

[@somethingawesome9547]

It was an automatic NO when I saw it had no disc player. Everything else just makes it more rediculous.

[@supercellex4D]

Texture res bump. That's it. They bumped the VRAM for larger textures. Larger textures also means more space on the SSD

[@Chiren]

Kinda funny and ironic that you talk about complexity and 80% of the stuff that you mentioned is Windows issues and their ass backwards ways, things that AREN'T complex and are actually just built-in or extremely easy to get going on Linux. We are so underrepresented.

[@OurHeroXero]

Generally, when you buy a new console...it's supposed to be an upgrade. The PS5 Pro costs $300 to downgrade...

[@trishypoo]

I hate when people say "i dont want to play on a small monitor." Like bro you can legit play on your tv and get 20 bucks wireless keyboard and mouse set from staples and play with sticks still.

[@leonidas14775]

Experience has taught me not to buy those cheap wireless mini keyboard/mouse combo devices. But then I got a used commercial KSI-2005U trackball keyboard that works pretty well for that.

[@Claymireko]

I have a cooler Master case elite 110, with a rx6600 plays very Nice at 1080p on My 4k tv, i'm like 1.5 meters away so it is not so noticeable

[@Clos93]

Or have a 1440p 165hz monitor and KM on a desk in your living room. And use your 4k TV, on game mode, as a second monitor. That way you can have the best of both. That's what I do anyway. I have steam big picture mode setup so that when I launch it, it displays on my TV instead. It's nice playing with a wireless controller on the couch sometimes.

[@ADeeSHUPA]

​@@Claymireko ないす نَيس

[@dbclass4075]

Alternatively, wire extensions.

[@mklegomaster]

In Europe it costs 800€, guess how much it is in freedom units... Ready? 890$!!!!!!!!

[@Vertilgung]

800 for the base Pro edition without drive and stand

[@mklegomaster]

@@Vertilgung ye

[@jochenkraus7016]

That contains VAT (19% in Germany and afaik also around 20% in others) while USA prices don't. Still expensive.

[@kiisseli1337]

​@@jochenkraus7016 USA state tax is usually only 6-7%. PS5 Pro price in Finland for example will be close to 900€ so it's not same everywhere. And disc drive is 140€.

[@AndreiDarie-j5m]

First steps to you will own nothing and be happy

Micro transactions and non-stop updates, forced online and few single player games forever. Be happy.

[@robofrog1347]

Interestingly enough, every time he showed the comparison I could tell which one was the pro, but I would always be a foul and spend $800 on a console when you can spend 1,300 to get a mid-tier PC which can do the same graphics but likely at double the performance frame rate

[@Mr.Genesis]

i mean a $700 PC can play PS5 games better than a PS5 already.. having graphics options AT ALL.. means its a superior piece of Hardware "Fidelity" "Balanced" "Performance" are not graphical options. They're copouts.

[@RedDevil2557]

If you have to pause and zoom in, I say they have failed.

[@christophermullins7163]

​@@Mr.GenesisYup. You can get a 5600x or 12400 tower for like $250 or less. $60 PSU upgrade and a 4070 and you're WAY better off than ps5 pro for barely any higher price. I have $1100 in my tower with a 4070 TiSuper. PS5 pro is DOA.

[@mitsuhh]

@@christophermullins7163 Not really, when in Europe an RTX 4070 costs 550+ euros by itself

[@christophermullins7163]

@@mitsuhh yes really. Even in eu

[@vigamortezadventures7972]

I speculate that the pc population is growing over console players.

[@MrAnony07]

At that price it would honestly just be smarter to go PC gaming because you can legit get a PC for like $100-$200 more that will be better than the PS5 Pro in every way, hell the used market is really nice right now you could build a better PC than the PS5 Pro for probably the same price if not a little cheaper like this make's me wonder how far SONY will go since they don't have any real competition and how expensive would the PS6 cost.

[@willywonka6487]

I think you could do better for the same cost or less, isnt the ps5 pro having the same gpu as an RX 6700? Thats entry level

[@christophermullins7163]

​@@willywonka64877700xt raster and 4070 raytracing. You could say GPU is around $450 - $500 equivalent PC GPU.

[@Mr.Genesis]

@@willywonka6487 a Console having only "Fidelity" "Balanced" and "Performance" as ways to change the graphical settings already makes it an inferior product to play games even vs a $500 PC. or a $400 PC with used parts. Having graphics options AT ALL means its a better experience.

[@KevDawg1992]

​@@willywonka6487 no. The base PS5 has the equivalent of 6700. The PS5 Pro is going to have 60 CUs and should be RDNA 3. The GPU with those specs would be the 7800 XT.

[@БоднарРостислав]

If sony goes the same path as previous gen consoles, then after release of ps5 pro, we are at least 2 years away from next gen consoles. By then, current tech will become cheaper, and that's what sony will use for the same 500-600 usd price. Unless another economic crisis happens, that's what's going to happen.

[@kingken8916]

What people who like physical media don't understand is technically you do not own the game even on disc you own a license key to the software which can be revoked by the publisher or software creator themselves. That is why usually racing video games will go off the market because of either licensing issues with music or with car manufacturers.

[@lucazani2730]

Piracy is a good thing for sure

[@philkasafir.]

They can't revoke a physical license for an offline game. The physical game also retains value and can be sold or traded. Sorry but you're completely wrong.

[@AlienInSider]

I'll put it this way: Is it a game or a movie? And that was the foundation back on the PS1!! And now we're talking about a ray tracing console... Can't we just play!? And that's MY MINIMUM REMARK!

[@Seb191]

How many wake up calls am I gonna live through

[@JustaGuy_Gaming]

Also remember this is demo footage, something game companies are notorious for faking. Watch almost any game trailer before it comes out and compare it to what was actually released, you will almost always see a downgrade. Though in this case I think the big bottle neck will always be what game companies are willing to put the effort into creating PS5 Pro versions of their game worth the purchase. Think back to how few games released a HD or 4k remaster. Or heck even just ported it so that it worked with the VR set ups. All the hardware in the world won't help if the games don't support it.

[@darkknight5942]

people are missing the point of the ps5 pro, and comparing it to the ps4 pro is a failure of putting things into context. The original PS4 was an outdated computer by technical means, and the PS4 pro acted as the new baseline for a good gaming expereicne with the PS4 slim being the weak but cheaper version that provides a compromised gaming experience. Today, the base PS5 is STILL a contemporary gaming system able to offer a good gaming experience, while the PS5 pro is shooting for a performance tier that is beyond that. SO the TLDR is, the PS5 is the equivalent to the PS4 Pro, and the PS5 Pro is in a category of its own, and there is no modern equivalent of the base PS4 offered by sony, only the Series S is comparable.

[@markbauermeister5449]

Alan Wake 2 in 864p with no raytracing just to hit 60 FPS is not something I'd call "a category of its own" or "Shooting beyond what a contemporary PC is capable of".

[@goodxd701]

The dislikes are just the sign that its not worth buying a ps5 pro

[@DanteAngeli-d6u]

original PS5 is already not worth it

[@DigitalEndeavors]

The pro versions were all VERY OBVIOUSLY MORE CRISP. Why is the entire internet lying about this being an improvement. If you built a gaming PC for $750 you would not get this level of power. If you think this is a rip off you are very ignorant of what computer hardware costs. Console gamers are very out of the loop.

[@mikfhan]

I got at least 5/6 right also, so you CAN tell the difference :P really just goes to show how much FSR upscaling will ruin the picture vs native image. I miss the nineties when games shipped on two floppy discs and ran on a CPU without a fan xD you had to do some insane occult optimization wizardry back then to ship a game. PSSR/DLSS is still SHTTR than native

[@Grasmann]

You can just smell that concord at some point was a huge part of sonys PS5 marketing. I bet they banked on it being a hit so thousands of people want a new PS5 Pro to play it in 60 FPS.

[@anon1692]

u might want to pick up that phone, cuz u just called it.. 👀

[@El_Yukino]

Sony meat riders never learn

[@FazeParticles]

Sony is becoming anti consumer rather quick.

[@Stormlywing]

@@FazeParticles using old hardware for gaming just higher speeds meaning the cpu need to be remade to hold the higher cpu speed without lowing it down

[@danbooke2001]

I was able to tell the pro version on all 6 images...

[@krazycharlie]

PISSER: truly a fitting name for a console that got everyone hyped up only to let us massively down.

[@davidaitken8503]

Anyone that was hyped up for that thing was a complete moron. What is the point to it? Seriously. After buying multiple versions of The Last of Us you now are going to spend even more money to make that crappy game look ever so slightly better? Where are the games? I guess people just want to brag that they have the flashiest paper weight in existence.

[@DrathVader]

With how hard ps5 flopped you'd think sony would just skip the pro, or at least price it accordingly

[@ajjames1960]

like they give a fck theres alot of console fanboi u think this will stop them 😂 they will just keep on buying it anyways no wonder sony pull stupid sht because people still buy it

[@VintageCR]

Sony is slowly turning into apple and apparently console gamers are swallowing it whole. disgusting.

[@continental_consumer]

As much as i dislike the ps5 pro... the ps5 didnt flop, 55 million sales is alot. Not as much as the switch or the ps2 but its still a successful console.

[@aiodensghost8645]

​@@continental_consumer55 million is how many were sold to retailers. That doesn't exactly translate to 55 million people playing on PS5, because that'd be 1/3rd of the install size of PS4, and I honestly don't think 55 million people have upgraded.

[@Vertilgung]

@@continental_consumer compare it to the ps4 sold over 107 million. in that comparison it is quite less and disappointing for sony, because the gaming market constantly gets bigger

[@MaidenlessScrub]

I could somewhat tell the difference when I get very close to my screen, which I never do when I actually play a game.

[@F4ngel]

I'm going to talk about cars. There's probably 1% of people out there that buy an engine, buy some wheels, buy each part they need separately then buy a car chassis to hold it all and put it all together. They might then finetune their engine to get the best handling ratios for their car. Most of us just buy a ready build car from reputable retailers. It's the same with PC. A handful of us build and tinker. Most people get a prebuilt. Just do the research and ask around. PS: If you download your games from steam you can back them up to a separate hard drive or burn them to a disk. You get to keep that version forever.

[@CowBeatsCrow]

It's such a joke that they even hired Garth to be the presenter

[@purefoldnz3070]

the PS5 pubes edition.

[@440capnhook]

This is the first generation of play station that i didnt buy kept saying i will wait for some good exclusives to come out before i buy it. still havent seen any.

[@jadedkitty728]

same

[@Stormlywing]

because is CPU is not even upgraded by some webistes about it specs being the same as the PS5 base with higher price and more space

[@SpeedyBeast6655]

$700 with no vertical stand and disc drive is an absolute deal breaker . Might as well , sold the controller separately too.

[@ProtectusCZ]

it's matter of time when they remove USB cable for controller or PS power cable like Apple did with iPhone 🤣

[@Michaelrojas24]

Don't forget the box and power cord sold separately 😂

[@cuzr702]

The normal one costs 500, this one is noticeably better. As a member of the pc master race, this seems pretty cheap.

[@Lylcaruis]

@@cuzr702 is this really that noticeably better though

[@cuzr702]

@@Lylcaruis People made the same claims with 4K tv’s. It’s pretty noticeable. He’s acting like he can’t even tell which is which, when it’s plainly obvious.

[@RedWolfenstein]

No mention of GOG and their DRM free games that you can download and are truly your own. Also, emulation.

[@giuseppelentini9140]

Exactly, GOG is the answer for digital ownership. much better than phisical as you are not bound by aging support discs. He actually mentions emulation, but in passing, with the usual "I can't really talk about it", when in fact everybody can (plenty of emulation channels and none of them taken down).