VFX Artists React to Bad & Great HALLOWEEN CGi

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[@stupidfilms8647]

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[@thememeestfilmbuff]

*The scariest visual effects* are the ones in Cats.

[@YaBoyBilly88]

100% agree

[@chinmayasinghrawat4622]

I had forgotten about its existence. Why you gotta do me like this man!

[@drake128]

So not superman's top lip ?

[@thesteve4235]

Even scarier is the version where all the cats have buttholes.

[@microwaved_fork]

That is the scariest movie of this decade

[@nooneimportant77]

Hey, I'm literally the person that did the VFX shot for the Indy Mogul video, I'm also the person they show pulling the rope. It was a lot of fun. You can actually see the door change to a different door when it slams, that was the one thing I couldn't quite get done in time. Pretty cool to see them praise my work on this show alongside some real top level effects.

[@madarauchiha-lt3mz]

Wait, really?

[@ethanialP]

AWESOME

[@nooneimportant77]

@@madarauchiha-lt3mz Yep, that's me. I worked on Indy Mogul for many years. That video was part of a series of interstitials we made for Epix, that were eventually put on the youtube channel.

[@madarauchiha-lt3mz]

@@nooneimportant77 that's pretty cool, did u work on any other big projects

[@nooneimportant77]

@@madarauchiha-lt3mz I worked on almost every Indy Mogul from like 2008 to... 2013? Hard to remember exactly. I worked on lots of other videos made by Next New Networks at the same time as well. Not sure I'd call much of it "big" though haha.

[@damienjohn]

It's painful to know that all that practical footage from 2011's The Thing is locked away somewhere, probably never to see the light of day.

[@GreenSabre187]

amalgamated has upload some of them here on KZbin including some footage of the actual end scene with "the pilot"

[@nevergonnagiveyouupnevergo9299]

Yeah poor practical effects the greedy producers hid them away from humanity.

[@The80sWolf_]

Watch the movie Harbringer Down, the same team made the effects in that one. Not the best movie, but the practical effects are awesome.

[@aliceramdom.s]

they should recat to the flim/movie miss peregrine's home for peculiar children.

[@CaptainCastle]

Release the practical cut!

[@t4rv0r60]

cant believe they made the practical stuff for the thing remake and then decided to redo all this with CGI...such a waste of money tho

[@halvarianknight4477]

That's producers for you. They're the Karens of film.

[@t4rv0r60]

@@halvarianknight4477 even from a corporate standpoint tho. the stuff is already done, the money is already spend. noh make it again....for the same amount.... just stipid tho xD xD

[@edwinpalencia5713]

Yeah to be honest watch the film the CGI actually looks bad like really bad like take into account that they had it easy because they had reference models to go by but even then like you can tell it was done quick and fast , I felt if they would still used the shots with practical effects and just enhanced the film with some CGI it would of been amazing

[@unherolike]

That studio should have done the Practical effects release as a dvd special combo pack.

[@douglascampbell9809]

@@unherolike They still might now that people want it.

[@ThatDudeinBlue]

I saw the Ring in 5th grade and could barely sleep for three months. Even unplugged my TV in my room and hoped for the best. But hey the effects were good!

[@jessie7162]

I watched it at a friends house when I was 10 and had to go home at 2am. Then I couldn’t sleep in my own bed for 2 weeks. But now I don’t get scared by movies so 💁🏻‍♀️

[@RegularCupOfJoe]

It scarred me for years as a kid. If I was alone in a room with a CRT TV and it was turned off, I could scare myself to death thinking about it turning on, the image of the well, and the little girl crawling out of the screen. Day or night, didn't matter. The mere horror of the thought made me quake with fear. CRT televisions scared me to death for a long time. While it wasn't as good as the first one, the opening scene of the second Ring movie was just as terrifying.

[@wa6280]

I still can't turn the light off in my room lol and I'm 17. It was after my mum showed me the 1st and 2nd ones as a little kid.

[@RAF_Ai]

@@wa6280 sry but ur mom is afwul

[@stevenpuckitt212]

Every time I lost reception on my cable I shit a brick because of that film. Static became terrifying.

[@Ricekrispy10]

Clint; He doesn't watch movies, but when he does he'll know everything about it

[@Bluenosedwill1]

Except the 2011 the thing was not a remake, it's a prequel

[@whitecreamymilk8436]

@@Bluenosedwill1 to be fair. Did he say he watched it?

[@BeeCreates929]

This has probably been mentioned in the comments already but fun fact about the Ring: In the original Japanese movie, Ringu, the actress who played Sadako (Samara in the American remake) was a kabuki trained actress. So all her unsettling, twitchy movements were actually Kabuki techniques meant to imply "monster" or "ghost." They also filmed everything she did--crawling out of the tv, shuffling out of the well, climbing, everything--backwards to give her that creepy effect. It's cool that the American remake actually kept some of those techniques for their own scenes.

[@SlyHikari03]

Nice. Japan trading effects and choreography with the US.

[@somborn]

I guess it was just cheaper. 😉

[@revelationreflection]

Original so good

[@croc_moat2327]

Whoa,thanks for info!;)

[@g_is_supercool]

Ringu Sadako scared me more than the US Version..but my husband said the US version is scarier (in terms of jumpscare..I guess I can agree) but that Sadako crawling out of the well seriously traumatized me😭😅

[@evilash570]

The difference in the “Thing” movies is that the 82 version holds up today, almost 30 years later, the prequel although pretty good, sadly already looks dated and will not stand the test of time. They should do a re-release with the practical effects version, i bet it would be 10x better!

[@aliceramdom.s]

they should recat to the flim/movie miss peregrine's home for peculiar children.

[@Ehh97]

The Thing remake mostly just breaks my heart to think about. Imagine putting SO much work into those props, only to have the studio be like "nah lets cover that up with CG"

[@traashghost]

or 5G

[@wright96d]

It would be really nice if they would actually release it with the practical effects put back in.

[@megababybackrib]

The thing 2011 Is not a remake it is a prequel

[@RYNO2511]

@@megababybackrib its almost the same as the '82 film, plot is nearly identical

[@troin3925]

@@RYNO2511 Have you watched the full film? Because the ending makes it perfectly clear that it's a prequel and it's not even supposed to be a twist.

[@jerrin416]

I feel like this is the first VFX Artist react where Clint's actually seen any of the films

[@smallfryskilledge1550]

Clint knows a lot of Hong Kong actions films.

[@Im_Very_Stupid939]

Lmaooo true

[@garretta4911]

Lol it’s because these are actually good movies 😆

[@casthedemon]

@@garretta4911 he hasn't seen Marvel movies.....

[@helenl3193]

Be fair - he's usually seen *some* of the films. He just doesn't do marvel (/comics?) movies, he's allowed to like what he likes!

[@damienjohn]

The dog transformation scene in The Thing literally inspired my love for body horror & VFX as a child. This movie changed my life.

[@jackallenproductions]

Hit us up with some movie recommendations Damien. If you found The Thing as an inspiration, I'm sure I will appreciate your taste in film. Anything come out in the past ten years you thought was really good?

[@damienjohn]

​@@jackallenproductions As far as practical body horror goes I can't think of much in the past 10 years that hits the spot. "Annihilation" from Alex Garland has some great body horror moments and a lot of interesting themes. "Life" is a solid Alien/The Thing love letter but doesn't break much new ground. Other movies like "RAW" and "Possessor" are great but a bit too experimental for some. There's also an upcoming sci-fi horror from Neill Blomkamp ,"Demonic", that looks promising. Unfortunately the days of practical effects-heavy movies are mostly gone. Sure recent movies like "The Void" and "Harbringer Down" exist but I didn't think they were particularly good outside the creature effects.

[@camamations1573]

So “the cabin in the woods” is essentially an SCP movie

[@kjone5086]

No, its a meta breakdown of horror as of all. It depicts a company making different horror scenerios involving sterotypical horror characters (like a stoner and final girl) with a stereotypical monster in order to please the gods. In the scenario the movie follows two people manage to get to the company. Its basically a breakdown of what audience demands from a horror movie.

[@fe26lover45]

Yeah basically

[@camamations1573]

Cool

[@ihaveaplan.ijustneedmoney.9777]

@@kjone5086 yes yes everyone knows that. we also know is that its the closest thing to an SCP movie. So yes, its basically an SCP movie regardless of intention.

[@kjone5086]

@@ihaveaplan.ijustneedmoney.9777 Nah, the closest thing to an scp movie is literally any SCP fan film.

[@RemixedVoice]

Niko's "Um" is the best Halloween costume of 2020

[@STormnNormn2027]

I thought he looked like Elmer Fudd from “What’s Opera Doc” (Kill the Wabbit)

[@creativecanvasgames]

He's the good knight 😂

[@leandroramos7014]

@@STormnNormn2027 qq

[@King_KAZ]

They should’ve did in invisible man in 1930 the first one That one blew my mind how they made him and has a invisiblein 1930

[@joaopedroolivieri4725]

I can relate to his costume, in fact just yesterday on my twitch RPG table halloween sort of special, I was a "generic adventurer" hahaha.

[@outlander7370]

I'm still pissed about how they scrapped most of the practical effects in the 2011 version of the thing.

[@kylkim93]

Forget the Snyder Cut, we need the Amalgamated Stitch!

[@theonlycatonice]

Same, that movie existed because they demoed it to a test audience

[@MattJett]

Here's to hoping for a third remake with lessons learned.

[@corvus_8521]

​@@MattJett ..that would make sense if the 2011 version was a remake, Except it was a prequel to John Carpenter's movie

[@Zelmel]

"They had to make these special ropes" aka someone on the production team was SUPER into bondage.

[@curtiswfranks]

Exactly my thought when seeing it.

[@anradhofficial4652]

If they were into bondage at all they'd know how to tie a knot that didn't collapse down on the limb when pulled on. You don't need special ropes for that.

[@DanielVerberne]

The Thing (Carpenter) version has incredible usage of paranoia and tension. The gradual sowing of distrust of literally ANYONE around you; that’s arguably the film’s greatest ‘effect’.

[@SoloDoloSpaceman]

“I’m Storm-Toad.” I woulda gone with “Toadtrooper”, but that’s just me.

[@nightmaster5593]

Yahoo D2

[@NonsensicalSpudz]

why does toadtrooper sound like something sexual

[@del132]

Do you know what happens to a Toad when it gets struck by lightning?

[@tacomandan966]

Captain Toad

[@Enzo575]

Or....wait for it. .. LaserToad

[@JME2191]

"I'm the Matrix" Yea, it probably would have a man bun

[@dlbutters7164]

And a hipster beard.

[@cn4nLif3]

Looks Pewd to me XD

[@shirosenshiesq]

@@dlbutters7164 What makes a beard 'hipster' though? It just looks like a normal beard to me.

[@dlbutters7164]

@@shirosenshiesq You're a hipster.

[@shirosenshiesq]

@@dlbutters7164 How do you figure that?

[@dinosaurlord7657]

“What are you Niko?” “Um.............”

[@sebastianc2077]

A knight of very few words

[@Arashi257]

yes

[@ghazghkullthraka9714]

Ned Kelly

[@Alitaf97]

I always love seeing the ''prison'' scene in Cabin in the Woods, the fact that the people behind that movie put SCP 173 in it just shows the respect they have for horror that they'd feel a semi-unknown monster would fit well in their scene.

[@harrymack3565]

Wait where was 173 in the shot I need to see this

[@kryse4806]

is it confirmed? looks too vague for me

[@ausoll1647]

I love the fact that one of the insect aliens from starship troopers is in it

[@JloBroOFFICIAL]

I'd pay to see: "Artists react to bad and great sound design."

[@charlesajones77]

I wouldn't pay, but I would like to see (hear) it.

[@surferriness]

Yoooooo

[@BassMeisterable]

Lord of the Rings has to be in there especially the Balrog audio effect

[@febryannur8466]

Yooooo that would be great

[@InsanityAtPEAK]

i wanted to give you an upvote but it's at 420 and who am i to mess around with that

[@chriscross8547]

Studio: "[the practical effects] look too much like an 80's movie." Also studio: (greenlights a soft remake of an 80's masterpiece with legendary practical effects)

[@jackmazeika5594]

Honestly, I would love to see a practical cut of the thing 2011

[@chriscross8547]

@@jackmazeika5594 Same here

[@t4rv0r60]

#releasethepracticalcut

[@eroticpanda1]

I know, it's almost like the studio heads are doing way too many drugs to make rational decisions from one day to the next.

[@Ayurai]

@@eroticpanda1 i think that about so many decisions , not just cinema, also video games, tv series.. etc etc.

[@asherandai1000]

Oh man, I remember watching the ring for the first time. No joke my phone rang right as the film ended and I literally pissed myself.

[@RandomEnvironmentArtist]

Fun fact about Blair witch: There’s a scene when they’re running away and she screams “What is that?!”, the camera man forgot to pan to the actor chasing them to their left and they just never redid it.

[@CrypticGuest]

Weren’t there no camera men tho. I read that she reacted to a dude in the distance wearing longjohns.

[@coletrainhetrick]

That's a myth. The actual way they made the film was having the actors use the actors. Originally they would've cut to a shot made of CGI where they show the Blair witch in post production, however they decided it would be a stupid idea because it would kill the ambiguity of the fil.

[@williamheller1362]

You guys should really take a look at the Netflix show "Love, Death, Robots." It has some crazy visuals and storytelling

[@wolfeinstein1000]

They definitely should do that

[@WillColavito]

yessss

[@calebbraunsroth2164]

YES

[@ismailhamzaoui4832]

yeah they should

[@SilentderLaute]

Agree ^^

[@cmdaltesc8275]

You guys should do a CGI robots episode, or at least take a look at "RealSteel" the Zoo fight, and the final fight

[@storminormin3419]

Oooh a robot episode would be cool! They need to do the 2018 lost in space robot too

[@doshi050050]

RealSteel is an awesome movie

[@cabnbeeschurgr6440]

They've already done pacific rim

[@pieisdeath30]

Have they reacted to I am Mother?, if not that could go into the robot vfx/practical as well

[@microwavedmircowave7310]

I would cry

[@The_Fat_Panda]

11:03 I've watched this movie many times, but this is the first time that I ever noticed that the paddles actually generated a spark!

[@nanananananananbatmann8245]

Crazy fact: Rob Bottin was 22 when he did the thing special effects

[@unknown9126]

"It looks like an 80's movie" You mean like the prequel to said 80's movie? They should have kept the practical stuff.

[@pdahandyman]

JC's Thing is hands-down my favorite horror movie of all time with CITW 2nd. That the 2011 remake actually had practicals only to be replaced with CG because the studio thought it looked too much like one of the most revered scary movies ever only serves to illustrate that the studios have no idea what they're doing. Three words: Disney Live-Action Remakes. (Maybe that's four words...) Indie is where it's at.

[@Pomaufour]

@@pdahandyman well I think you might have the best director in the world, do practical effects, but if it is expected to be a blockbuster, you always are going to have tons of suits and investors and shareholders pushing their dumb agenda and force a director to replace practical effects "because it look cooler yo". To clarify your statement, It s not blockbuster directors that suck, or indie directors that are better, it s the blockbuster industry that is rotten and indie industry that is sane. Look at all them shitty "girls only remakes". Another shareholder idea of a good movie. No sane director with talent would want to direct that. Two words. Cash grabs

[@terragthegreat175]

It's another great example of how Hollywood producers aren't artists, they're businessmen.

[@darklink4160]

I remember watching the interview on the special effects artists after they watched the 2011 Thing. There were some serious hurt feelings there. These guys were pissed because of it. They even went into it not knowing they slapped there CGI crap all over there work. I feel really bad for them. They did all this work for nothing.

[@Ravaholix]

to much of an 80's movie therefore their work was rendered inferior... sad day for them... its a literally spit on Johns carpenters version considering it has hit the legendary standard of practical effects. would only imagine how the movie would've looked without so much CGI. And I have to disagree with corridor on this that the CGI looked good lol

[@dmgdotph]

i literally yelled "WHAT?!" when i found out/saw the video that practical effects were initially intended for the prequel, especially after seeing how insanely good they were. finding out why the studio went with the CG direction broke my heart. i can only imagine how the practical effects artists felt when they found out.

[@Andrew-xv6nn]

I feel like when a monster is prosthetic you know it’s real, and even though you know it can’t hurt you, the fact that’s it’s real gives you that fear

[@LaLloronaVT]

Right? Like being on set of the thing 1982 would be fucking horrifying or being on set of aliens, you come back from a coffee break and a literal giant alien is there, sure it’s fake but it’s real and it looks horrifying

[@fraxomfire6657]

That movie still haunts my nightmares

[@Viking_Raven]

Math algoritms for CG simulations, although improving year by year, are still far from perfectly replicate how things behave in reality. Things like real ambience illumination, subtle minuscule skin and muscle movements, liquids, smoke, hair flow, cloth creases and deformations, etc. Etc. Meanwhile the human eyes and brain are perfectly tuned to pick apart all these little details and immediately tell unconsciously when something is off.

[@navaryn2938]

A nitpick i always had about the chest opening scene in "the thing" is that when the teeth clamp on his arms, the point where the skin and meat starts being torn apart is well above where the teeth are actually making contact. Still a masterpiece, but to me that specific moment always looked like he got his arms stuck in there and then just ripped them away himself

[@AlexTTzer0]

Yes, the scene feels very grotesque and unsettling, but once you watch it a couple of times you realise that it doesnt make much sence. Generally there are plrenty monster scenes that do not feel that much consistant or cohesive, but you still appreciate the movie for all the practical effects and for it's age...

[@Viking_Raven]

Yeah, same, that would imply that the guy ripped his own arms with his own strength which I believe is impossible to do even if you're clamped. But it's very convincing visually nonetheless and that's what art is all about.

[@JordyToons]

The 82 Thing is a million times better on every level. It was disappointing to know that they replaced all the practical effects with CGI but there were more issues to it than that. My main issue with the 2011 Thing is that it felt like the aliens weren't even trying to blend in with the group. They would always expose themselves so the 2011 lost the "suspense" that the original had. 82 Thing you're always wondering who could be "the thing" where as the 2011 version always gave that away, it just never had any tension.

[@NiPeMiRecenziiFilme]

Exactly. Well said.

[@LLEntertainmentChannel]

The fans have had theories about that. One is that The Thing exposes itself in some spots to create chaos and force them to split up. Usually, when it exposed itself, there were too many people huddled together, making it impossible to perform the imitation process. Another one is that people theorize that The Thing wasn't use to humans yet. It was learning their patterns. It was trying to figure out what is the best way of going about assimilating this race. So when it finally came to the camp in the '82 movie, it was a bit more experienced.

[@ABlokeCalledDaz]

That does make a little sense though, it as it feeds back into the 1982 version that the thing has realised it's got to be more cautious this time round. Not defending the 2011 version as the 1982 version is clearly superior. I remember watching it about 12/13 years old I think when it came ITV one night as a premiere (anyone remember Late Night Late?) recording it on VHS ,actually being afraid of something on the telly for the first time ever and then watching it all day on VHS the next day freeze framing where certain shots were just to appreciate how damn awesome it was.

[@wh00keridoo]

Perhaps the Thing learned from it's mistakes, so by the time ol' Kurt Russell and friends unleashed it again, it was more sneaky.

[@JordyToons]

@@LLEntertainmentChannel Was just rewatching clips from the 2011 version and my god the people are really stupid too.

[@DarthFennec]

"The studio and the producers said it looks too much like an 80's movie." Ah yes, this sequel to a movie beloved for its 80's effects looks like it has 80's effects, I can see why they're concerned nobody will like it. How out of touch can you be ...

[@nightcross1030]

Never underestimate the ability of Hollywood execs to be totally out of touch

[@gaminginhdmax3854]

whats sad is how good the practical effects looked....damn man

[@Crouza]

The remake of the 80's movie that was a remake of a 50's movie. This was the law of diminishing returns in full force.

[@Ooffoop]

Please god tell me there’s a practical release

[@jamesmclemore9123]

@Blue Fox under socialism, if the film industry even existed, it would be controlled by the government. Does that sound like a better option to you? And those indie studios you say show the flaws of capitalism? Under socialism they would be illegal.

[@lokismischief2512]

The O.G thing is my absolute favorite horror movie and my third favorite in general. The 2011 remake was cool, but i personally felt cheated. When i found out what the studio did to the fx artists amd their hard work, i realized i wasn't alone. 2011 was still a great flick and the attention to detail, bridging the gaps from preq to seq, was masterfully done.

[@Reevesi]

John Carpenters "The Thing" for me is by far the best visual effects I've ever seen in a movie. It's so well crafted. It's a great film

[@NicKeLas]

Wren sounds misleading, saying it as if the first "Paranormal Activity" alone grossed $890 million, but no, that's the box office figure for the whole franchise of 6 movies. The first one earned $194 million in theatres, which is still very impressive, but I'd like to keep the facts straight.

[@francismadrala9872]

Just want to emphasize this comment. The ENTIRE franchise grossed $890M.

[@aidanbrown7795]

"Ackchewally....."

[@NicKeLas]

@@aidanbrown7795 Are you mocking me for pointing out a mistake and trying to fix it?

[@RedDiamondCrewProductions]

@@NicKeLas Yes, yes he is. Welcome to the internet.

[@NicKeLas]

@Daniel Hall I am one of them and I kind of do. So yeah.

[@redgunnit]

"It LOoks too Much like an 80s Movie!" You are making A Sequel, TO AN 80S MOVIE.

[@BoredomEntertain]

Prequel actually so ya know... even more reason to be 80s

[@cessare2467]

I'd fcking pay to watch a finished practical version of that movie.

[@xPUNISHER84x]

💯💯💯

[@redgunnit]

@@cessare2467 FUCKIN, SAME

[@SilverEye91]

I seriously don't get why there seems to be so many producers and studio higher ups that seemingly don't get movies or give a crap about them. Want people to go and watch you movie? Make it stand out! Hollywood has made this mistake so many times in the past and they never, ever learn. It's just so frustrating....

[@cadepope4093]

"I'm telling you, Niko, when you're ready, you won't have to render anything."

[@patricke0n]

I know it's 10 months later but I just realized that it's the wet goo that really makes the difference for me. It's reflective of the surroundings but in a sticky textured way that must be a pain even for cg. But that's what draws me into the practical effects in these two movies comparison.

[@charlesajones77]

"It looks too much like an 80s movie" It looks too good. No one will believe this is new. Make it look like crap

[@Celticelery]

I've always wondered how much that added to the budget. It couldn't have been cheap to replace all of those effects, especially in 2011.

[@stevenpuckitt212]

@@Celticelery It's got to suck to put in all the time, effort, planning, and heart into a project just to have your work covered up because 'we're going to have to use CGI anyways to blend it in, so lets just use all CGI'. I felt so bad for those guys. They did a whole video about how they got screwed. The film had so much potential.

[@snoopymccloud1875]

Even in this video, the short clips of the actual practical effects of the new The Thing are incredibly unsettling; then seeing the actual movie with CGI crap all over, gets no reaction out of me. It's so upsetting, that they did this to the movie.

[@user-lynKx]

"It looks too much like an 80s movie" Do you know how INFURIATING that is‽

[@user-lynKx]

@Baxi Tabaxi Yeah, because I totally said "Modern thing bad". Read my comment again and revise your claims. "It looks too much like an 80s movie" is an attack on other methods of filmmaking. What I said about that attack has nothing to do with modern methods. If you want to make the argument that I criticized computer generated imagery, then you're the one who's wrong. I was only saying that it is disrespectful and unfair to put aside the craftsmanship that went into making the practical effects just because it resembles the source material too much. By immediately interpreting my words as "Blah blah blah", you're deluding yourself into the impression that I disapprove of CGI, which I don't. You just can't seem to actually listen to those with reason.

[@l0kumidit641]

@@user-lynKx i felt that the producers wanted to catch that "WOW" factor the 82 The Thing caught with their practical effect but it's CG like, "yeah you like that? guess what its CGI!! No practical" and i guess it didnt work out

[@Jetravard]

@Baxi Tabaxi The VFX artists on this channel said in this very video that the practical effects of the '82 Thing were better than the CGI in the 2011 remake and even talked about how good the discarded practical effects of the 2011 film were. They went on to say that CGI at the end of the day is a high quality "cartoon" The best thing would be a balance between practical and digital based on what the two methods are best at, cost effectiveness and what produces the most realistic result. Like real world fire wind, explosions, miniatures, rear projection, stunt work and squibs for blood spurts...models and prosthetics for things that are supposed to be alive and gore etc. The Transformers movies are really good at balancing practical and digital. Here's a good article that says that the battle between practical and digital isn't even a real thing anyway....lwlies.com/articles/cgi-practical-effects-hollywood-filmmaking-techniques/

[@dirus3142]

@Baxi Tabaxi Get over your insecurities.

[@roskiart8750]

@Baxi Tabaxi Projecting, making assumptions and making a fool out of yourself. Learn reading comprehension next time. You made a lot of assumptions there, and looked like an ass I'm the process

[@jacktorrance3522]

I am so glad you mentioned the hard work done for the practical effects for The Thing (2011) as I think too many people who saw that movie at the time and since it came out laid into it for the CGI work and compared it to the benchmark 1982 versions practical effects. It's a great travesty that all the hard practical work done for the 2011 version (which you showed) was effectively lost. I think the filmmakers on the 2011 version did everything right - they just got screwed over by the studio and now we'll likely never get to see the version of the movie that the director intended.

[@Dawnoh506]

I really wish you guys were able to react to music videos. The Chemical Brothers' catalog of music videos are chock full of crazy shots. More specifically "Got to Keep On" and "Wide Open ft. Beck". I was very impressed with these videos. Especially "Wide Open". The whole thing seems so difficult to do, but then there was a scene with a mirror that kinda blew my mind. I highly recommend anyone to watch them and explore their other videos. They're all so different from each other. Every one of them is wild in one way or another.

[@johnblue5399]

Thanks for the recommendations internet stranger. Love the Chemical Brothers and those videos are fantastic. Wide Open is just a beautiful piece of art.

[@jazzycat8917]

There was no greater insult to the legacy of The Thing than when those cowardly hack producers did to the prequel. They didn't even have the decency to tell the practical effects team what they'd done until the premiere of the movie. Imagine being the practical effects team going in to see your work on screen, and instead seeing just the shonkiest CGI awkardly shopped in where it used to be. I gotta disagree, it doesn't look good, it looked fake and dated, whereas if they'd kept the excellent practical work and just enhanced it with CGI then it would have looked good and there would at least have been one redeeming quality of that movie.

[@Ben-Doverbich]

WORD !

[@deadspacedeath54]

That helicopter scene with the cgi face has to be the most garbage thing I’ve ever seen in a movie

[@_octember_]

I felt like that either the helicopter face split our the double-person amalgamation would've easily matched the belly-cavity scene from the original, had they kept with the practical and minorly enhanced with VFX

[@mcsticka]

Yeah if I were the practical effects team I'd have been pissed. All that work for nothing.

[@niemanickurwa]

Yeah that was an unnecessary fail. It wasn't even a bad film generally.

[@Kerorofan1990]

"Looks too much like an 80's movie" THAT'S THE POINT! Cripes, studio execs are dumb.

[@miliano]

They screwed themselves by making it CGI. It didn't even make back it's own budget.

[@Lumibear.]

They advertised it everywhere as an authentic 80s style practical effects movie, wimped out last minute and replaced it all with CGI, people went to see it expecting one thing found another, told everyone it was crap, and word of mouth stopped others coming. Deserved really.

[@The_Curious_Cat]

Yep, really dumb decision. And it´s a pity, the movie is pretty enjoyable. The practical effects would tie to the original way better plus help the public get immersed in the movie.

[@mycroft16]

Seriously, they literally saw the single greatest selling point of the film as a weakness. Absolute stupidity. Those physical props and puppets looked incredible.

[@Lumibear.]

@@The_Curious_Cat I actually thought the script was good, really respectful to the original and very cleverly thought out, if you can get past the worst really obviously fake effects (and at times not brilliant acting), the story is great.

[@Zeta9966]

Fun facts about The Thing: 1. All the “gel layer” is KY Jelly. They had buckets and buckets and buckets of KY on hand at all times. 2. The chemicals used in the neck to make it as stretchy were HIGHLY flammable, and the flames in the frame were an actual flame lit in front of the camera (think of a large flat lighter attached to the camera). They were sincerely concerned that they’d blow up all the whole set and still did that shot. The Thing’s BTS and commentary are worth it

[@captainweiss219]

React to "Sucker punch" and/or "the sorcerer's apprentice"

[@CiaranCarlin]

17:18 I'm already so excited but absolutely horrified. I assume this was Peter. Again.

[@artyknotswastaken]

Oh yea it smells like him

[@painfield]

hahaha, yep, feels like his style. As good as they all are doing stuff, they're as good picking nice and talented people, and with Peter they hit the spot.

[@MC-ew7sc]

That's literally the first thing that came to my mind. Has to be him.

[@eddiebarrett4633]

Oh hi Ciarán

[@jasonshere]

Peter's not a bird, silly.

[@josh.8104]

The problem with defending The Thing 2011 **at all** is that quote: "It looks too much like an '80s movie." The Thing 2011 was a literal prequel to The Thing 1982. The end of 2011 is literally the beginning of 1982. So it was SUPPOSED to look like a fucking '80s movie!!! Not going all-in on that premise was a total mistake and I think people would have liked it more if they had kept the practical effects for that reason alone.

[@TruueMetal]

Great point. The film makers really did miss a trick by replacing the practical effects.

[@nicemimomisu]

@@TruueMetal Not the filmmakers, the studio (as usual). The filmmakers went into a great lengths to recreate the abandoned research site that we get to visit in the original movie and put a lot of effort into the practical effects too. Then the studio came, plastered CGI over everything and changed the ending too at last the second (hence why it's CGI is pretty bad if you've seen it). It still pisses me off because as, clearly not a fan of remakes and sequels 30 something years later, this one was actually pretty solid.

[@painfield]

@@nicemimomisu Completely agree with what has been said in this thread. Also, the special effects studio made a movie where they reused the props from the thing and improved on some of the ideas, but it's a b-series movie with good practical effects. Hope someday they release the "practical effects cut version" and I'll gladly rewatch it. It's one of the few modern continuations of old IP's that I like.

[@tomt7986]

@@painfield what movie did they make with the props? I'd love to watch

[@painfield]

@@tomt7986 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harbinger_Down#Background Not a great movie but good enough, even if just for the theme, effects, and as a plus Lance Henriksen's in it

[@plasticfantastic777]

Ash vs. Evil Dead, Season 3, Episode 5 "Baby Proof"

[@jackfordham5779]

The Thing 1982 is legit my favourite movie, everything about the film is perfect. The remake is not as good, I reckon the overuse of CGI replacing practical effects had a major impact for that reason

[@andrebrynkus2055]

I remember talking to a guy that was a practical effects artist on the remake and he told me about dealing with the producers. Everything was designed so that from the angle they were to be shot at they were invisible before they revealed to be a creature. But the producers kept saying "what if we want to shoot from this other angle?" and decided that was a necessity rather than just planning out shots perfectly. I think we know how well that worked out.

[@iamhere6893]

The remake of which movie though?

[@andrebrynkus2055]

Er, sorry - prequel-remake from 2011. Sorry.

[@SahilP2648]

@@andrebrynkus2055 what movie though -_-

[@andrebrynkus2055]

@@SahilP2648 Argh, I failed again. The Thing. I guess I didn't think about it with the context.

[@animateangus]

What they did with The Thing prequel was criminal.

[@Hubert_Cumberdale_]

Yeah those fucking producers smh

[@brunotangerina]

criminal was not using the real props because they looked reaal nasty, i dont think thats a terrible movie, its just not good as the old one

[@InCameraTV]

Glad to see you love John Carpenter's 'The Thing' as much as we do! It's a practical effects masterpiece! So much so that we're going through and recreating effects from it in our Practical FX tutorial videos!

[@adamdasilva5061]

John Carpenters “The Thing” is definitely better. Can y’all do a “Stranger Things” episode?

[@troin3925]

Though the 2011 movie was a prequel.

[@adamdasilva5061]

Troin it is

[@troin3925]

@@adamdasilva5061 Good thing you know (no pun intended).

[@bonnie9855]

The remake wasn't that good

[@jacobjohnson1130]

They ruined the 2011 prequel when they took all the great practical effects out, just my opinion

[@duffman7674]

The best thing about Birdemic is the trailer: "Meet Natalie, a beautiful young fashion model driven by P A S S I O N"

[@fatpurp4041]

Hol up

[@mckaybradford1347]

You guys should review the whole movie of “Super 8” or just the train crash scene

[@millround7126]

Super 8 was pretty good but the train crash scene was awesome

[@Leonpavo]

I know it's simple effects, but the self-dialog scene from Secret window is flawless. It'd be fun to see your take on it

[@kendarr]

WHYYYY THEY COVERED UP THE THING EFFECTS??, God it looked so damn extreme

[@macscars115]

@Little White Rabbit true, but as a prequel I think it perfectly connected to 2 films

[@MrDayday112]

@@macscars115 It did well at showing how and where things happened like how the axe was in the wall. Other than that it's a pretty meh movie especially compared to the first. They were making a sequel to one of the best movies for practical effects and completely didn't understand the audience. Also the story is trash. People still analyse the first movie trying to figure out when and what order people were assimilated and whether Childs and Macready were assimilated. They had none of that in the sequel. There was no tension or misdirection.

[@adrianabundiz148]

@Смерть ОМОНа в Беларуси Stfu

[@puchopucho7790]

@@MrDayday112 you don't just got a point, you got THE point, Carpenter's The Thing had tension. The prequel was meh, with meh writing, meh FXs and meh acting. But to be fair, the steaks were too high, they could not deliver the quality expected and here we are. Pretty much what happens to a lot of sequels/prequels for a classic movie.

[@xronos_exe]

The ring coming in and out of tv’s kinda scared tf outta me when I was younger.

[@traveandre8877]

I had nightmares for weeks when I first saw that as a kid

[@nighpaw4651]

I still don't like it cause I hate horror shit Idk why I'm watching this video

[@rocketlanding5596]

@@nighpaw4651 FACT

[@nerdysniper6194]

You aren’t the only one.

[@SaadTheLegend]

it's a remake of the original Japanese film.

[@blissfullycat02]

God I love all of these films... Horror is so good with effects, especially when it's practical mixed with some CG (I mean The Thing still holds up so well and was all practical). I would be interested to see you cover the new It chapters 1 and 2... I liked both The Thing and its prequel but I prefer the OG because John Carpenter is a master and the movie itself was better, the CGI didnt bother me too much, although I am sad for the people who did the practical effects, having done some myself I know how long it takes and having it covered stinks...

[@matthewanderson3750]

To state the obvious, The Thing had not only amazing VFX, but great, believable characters who played off each other well. The blood test sequence is pure gold.

[@awesomerob4316]

"If you havent watched the thing, PLEASE go watch it" Me who was shivering while watching this vid: "no"

[@ladislavvalnoha150]

It's a classic

[@somethingwithultra7231]

Ah yes the classic "OH I LOVE HORROR MOVIES BUT I DONT WANNA BE SCARED BY THEM"

[@gracelemmon7808]

@@somethingwithultra7231 Some of us prefer to rationalize this phenomena as "I appreciate horror's artistry and ability to evoke strong emotions, but I value being able to fall asleep more"

[@RussellWestbrookLover43]

I’m watching it tonight

[@hawxchampion523]

@@somethingwithultra7231 Also, this commenter didn't indicate they like horror movies to begin with. I don't like horror movies, but I watched the video because I like their breakdowns.

[@rochakadhikari9264]

I literally imagined Wren in afro haircut, because of that hat

[@kjoc70]

You should have seen his quarantine hair. It looked like a freaking weeping willow.

[@dragongamesyt6295]

Tom Holland but a VFX artist and Wren.

[@stupka1111]

80s The Thing is my favourite horror film, next to the Alien 1 and 2. All stood the test of time.Amazing movies

[@lukebramer3283]

John Carpenters the Thong is my personal favorite movie ever. Of any film I’ve ever seen, and it’s for 3 reasons: the effects, the writing, and the mood. The effects are amazing, the script is absolutely perfect and the mood changes from dread to panic to anticipation to awe to bat shit crazy on a dime. The jump scares and reveals are out of this world (get it?) and I love how much is left to the imagination. You never know who gets to the blood. You never know see who puts macs clothes out in the snow. You never find out if childs is a thing at the end, even if the theory about his breath is pretty damning evidence. You never know anything until it happens, and even then half of this movie is left unclear and unconfirmed, and that’s what’s so great and real and genius about it. Can’t say enough good things about it. Great video guys!

[@chomppow]

everyone: oh so youre like Neo from the Matrix? Clint: No Everyone: oh so like uhh Morpheus? Clint: No *I A M T H E M A T R I X*

[@Shadays_hair_nails_care]

To the person that's reading this:you're very intelligent and adorable human! Stay healthy during quarantine 🌈☁️My dream is 1k. I been struggling to get there any help is appreciated❤️❤️

[@ChrisMG]

@@Shadays_hair_nails_care the bots are getting crazy

[@astrayamatu]

@@Shadays_hair_nails_care lol nice copy paste on multiple comments #ibegforsubs

[@Ooffoop]

@@Shadays_hair_nails_care *BEGONE*

[@rafaelalodio5116]

Matrix Man

[@zampano8217]

They didn’t mention that the amputee in the Thing is wearing a mask of the actor’s face. Amazing stuff.

[@sanjeethmahendrakar]

When you perfectly mix the appropriate ratio of practical and CG effects according to the tone and intent of the film you can really make something amazing.

[@bmack04]

I had to look up the definition of “rotoscoping” as this was the first time I actually heard that term. The history of VFX is awesome!

[@jakeperkins7871]

"They had to make special ropes" Someone working on it knew their bondage

[@engeltjebaleno]

ok guys, theres 200 bucks missing from the budget and i see an asian dominatrix asleep on the couch. Anyone willing to explain this? Uhmmmmm, it's.... foooooorrrr..... this scene i just came up with. Yes, that's it.

[@codylloyd4227]

I love John Carpenter's The Thing. Such a great movie and the effects still hold up pretty well. I also enjoyed the 2011 prequel, but the biggest detractor, in the 2011 movie, was the rushed VFX. If they would have used the practical/CG blend it would have been right up there with Carpenter's film. The film makers watched Carpenter's again and again to match all the details so the movies line perfectly.

[@hex3948]

whats sad is that the people who worked on the film actually wanted to use practical effects, but the studio pushed them into using cgi

[@Zvorngleberg]

I tried to take this video as scary I could but then it would just cut to Wren as "PhasmaToad" and I couldn't help but laugh

[@raullopez6495]

The Thing has top notch effects. Untouchable in my opinion

[@logan48arney]

Dark Crystal: Age of Resistance. Masterclass combination of practical/CGI

[@mycroft16]

Seconded. That show was insanely well put together. They clearly put a significant amount of thought into what they could do for real and what would be better served by CG.

[@theeGianniLee]

Yes, absolutely loved that show.

[@neadst]

Desperately hoping the series gets picked up by another studio, the effects were literal art.

[@sorakirei]

Absolutely!!!! Dark Crystal: Age of Resistance is the perfect example of blending practical and CGI. Finding the right balance between the two is difficult, but worth it!

[@zeratul____1228]

and yet Netflix cancelled it and keeps Cuties on air.

[@shirosenshiesq]

In memory of Sir Sean Connery, please do an Office Connery. Competitions can involve Bond, Highlander fights, etc.

[@austinlove8821]

Wait he's dead???

[@shirosenshiesq]

@@austinlove8821 Died just today. Peacefully, in his sleep. Very, very sad day.

[@pills-]

Needs more upvotes!

[@kishenkoolskills90]

@@shirosenshiesq He was in the Bahamas with his whole family, he had dementia

[@joehauk1473]

Y’all should do one whole episode analyzing all 8 Harry potter films (dobby, basilisk, spells, monsters, etc)

[@unsoundmethodology]

The wild thing, for me, about _The Thing_ (1982) and _The Thing_ (2011) is that the 1982 movie is itself a remake (of Howard Hawks's 1951 _The Thing From Another World_ ).

[@ianggk4632]

Wren: so who are you Niko?? Niko in the deepest voice posible:... I am the *KNIGHT*

[@Xeno87]

He looks like he's from Monty Python and the Holy Grail .

[@sherlockmaverick]

Sam: And I am the day!

[@FractalParadox]

He is obviously Pippin

[@justsomeguy28]

The actress who played Samara in the Ring, grew up in my home town. We used to watch her sing karaoke all the time before she started acting. She also did some voice work for Lilo and Stitch

[@jakeatwood4440]

The thing w/ Kurt russell is a top 5 favorite. The effects and story are amazing. I did see the newest “the thing” but that to me was just okay.

[@jerrydandridge4048]

I love your videos. I would really love to see how they did the effects in The Lighthouse with Robert Pattinson, especially the seagull scene.

[@marvinzegarra]

After the effects of the thing from 2011 were replaced with CGI, ADI decided to make their own fully practical low budget monster movie called Harbinger Down. You guys should check that out.

[@GeminiWoods]

That low budget really shows though.

[@marvinzegarra]

@@GeminiWoods I don't think they even had $250k for the hole thing, so I'm honestly amazed at what they did. But I guess it does make a point that ONLY practical effects might not be the answer either.

[@TheOnlyMonto]

U did both "The Thing" movies, but you didn't do Harbinger Down. Should really check that one out

[@colinvanwormer1308]

No joke should check it out^^

[@HonestWatchReviewsHWR]

I came here to write this myself.

[@MrMich1lol]

fancy seeing you here c:

[@hurricane3241]

Well Well Well. The monto man himself. It’s an honor sir.

[@roberttaylor7423]

Yes, definitely. Done by the same folks that did the practical effects (that got thrown away) in the Thing remake.

[@finalsix7195]

One of my issues with fully cgi movies is when you have actor's interact with the sgi but how they look at it doesn't feel right, like their eyes aren't really focused on the parts that you know they would if it was a real physical thing in front of them

[@baqcasanke]

Yeah thats the biggest thing for me. In the thing remake tormand dude doesnt react to that creature on his arm the way he should. Because he has nothing to act against

[@novanettle7497]

You did The Thing!! Makes me so happy! ✨

[@noconnection1839]

15:37 looked so real. They should release a separate version of the film with practical effects!

[@DavidL-op5sz]

Go watch Harbinger Down, it's not The Thing but it was the prosthetics from the 2011 movie remade into another one by the effects guys.

[@KarstensCreationsKC]

"We're gonna make BIRDEMIC...kinda good" Damn, I cannot WAIT. By the way, Carpenter's THING remains the KING of practical effects flicks... PERIOD.

[@donaldw3231]

[Shows a guy getting his arms bitten off] "We're going to be showing some gore."

[@emilkaapola7191]

Hi Corridor! Love your work and all the stuff you do, it's a great support, especially through these rough times. I'd love if you guys could do a reaction to Charity Falls. It's a fan project (a bit like the Astartes fan project) made by HaloVFX on KZbin! I'd love to see your reaction to it, partially because how well made it is and partially for how much I love Halo. Keep up the amazing work!

[@unclelink]

"I used to celebrate Halloween like you... then I took an arrow in the knee." I watched so many KZbinrs react to The Thing, ALL of them said the same thing when they saw the dog at the beginning, "I hope nothing happens to that cute puppy!"

[@DarthBiomech]

Well, and nothing did. It's _the puppy_ that happened to everybody else.

[@hobbes4011]

@@DarthBiomech this is so true.

[@JasonZakrajsek]

Technically we never see anything happen to the puppy, because it happened before the beginning of the movie.

[@jeffgray7922]

John Carpenter's "The Thing" is TONS better than the prequel that came out in 2011. In my opinion, they ruined that movie with all the cg.

[@iveharzing]

The 2018 "The Thing" game (Among Us) is more fun though.

[@shatterednova_]

Supposedly they had the practical effects there, but some higher ups said the movie looked too old so they were forced to add cgi on top of it Edit: Oh they talk about it towards the end lol

[@nietojuan77]

Authenticity goes a long way. Those practical effects they were implementing for the prequel looked miles better then that horrid cgi. Guess the studio wasn’t as passionate as the makers of the film and opted out for a cheap cgi fix, such a waste of resources.

[@Justin.Franks]

The Paranormal Activity bed-pull scene is even more terrifying if you suffer from sleep paralysis and have experienced the "sliding off the bed" feeling. It's not as common as the more typical pressure on the chest feeling, but it does happen. Sometimes I've even felt like I am sliding up the wall.

[@benvoliothefirst]

I'm getting nightmares just READING about this. Horror movies are so much about atmosphere. "Just outside believable" is so much more frightening than CGI nonsense.

[@Justin.Franks]

@@benvoliothefirst Sleep paralysis is absolutely terrifying, especially if you don't understand what's going on. You feel an intense pressure on your chest, making it seem like you can't breathe. You get an intense feeling of absolute dread, and may feel like you are being watched by an evil entity. Sometimes you even see some sort of entity in the shadows or standing over you. Even after you learn what it is and what is actually happening, it can still sometimes be difficult to not feel sheer terror. About the only good thing about it is with a bit of practice, it is a reliable "springboard" into a full lucid dream.

[@jakedrake3660]

i remember watching the Ring for the first time and i couldn´t even look at Samara´s face as a kid but after a few rewatches i finally looked at her and i literally just laughed so hard that i was so scared of her face lol

[@mrbeef3528]

Everybody gangsta until the ghosts start dancing in a Bollywood horror flick

[@eatmym2125]

I like both “The Thing”s, the 2011 films adds to the universe and story. That being said, John Carpenter’s The Thing is my favourite horror movie. It is just fantastic. It is so visceral and intense. Like Alien, it is a good movie before it is a horror movie. Plus it has Kurt Russell in.

[@leroy0151]

Well said good sir. The 2011 thing added some great context being a prequel but the CGI really took me out of it where the OG thing was far more intense.

[@Asghaad]

now just imagine if they used the awesome practical effects they already had ... somewhere in some damn vault there is nearly finished version of this film with MUCH better effects that would just need a little CG touch up to re-release ... and they wont do it simply because it would show jsut how MORONIC the decision to use rushed bad looking CGI to cover those awesome practical effects over ...

[@painfield]

@@Asghaad yep, and from what I read, the special effect people found out about the change when they saw it in the movie opening. The SE studio made a movie where they reused the props from the thing but it's a b-series movie with good practical effects. The substitution of the practical effects with CGI was a great fuckup, as a fan of the Carpenter's The Thing hearing that the change was due to looking too 80's it's painful as I like the new version and the first thing that comes to mind to improve it is to get rid of most of the CGI and keep it more 80's effects. Funny thing is as a kid I was a big fan of what CG could bring, specially when the first Jurassic Park came out, and not so fond of certain practical effects, but with the overuse of CG nowadays they make me appreciate more the practical effects I dismissed back then.

[@olivierroussin4432]

The remake get too much hate. It was good.

[@LexLutha]

There actually is an awesome behind the scenes doc about the Paranormal Activity movies on Paramount Plus now. They specifically talk about that scene in depth.

[@stormqueen29]

You guys captured my thoughts exactly. It IS important to so what you can practically, it really is. But supplementing it with visual effects allows for such a more complete immersion that strictly one or the other. Not all CGI or VFX is "bad" it can really be used to tweak and uplift practical sets and characters. But no visual effects at all can feel kind of lackluster. It takes a blend of both to get the best end results for me.