Maybe I'm Wrong About Guns: A Live Debate

Journalist Krishna Andavolu hosted a debate on guns between Maj Toure and Chelsea Parsons at VICE HQ on September 18, 2018. This is live footage from the event.
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[@robertjenkins2740]

Crowderland

[@robertjenkins2740]

For such a left wing group (vice) to come out with an event that completely supports the 2nd amendment! I’m pleasantly shocked and surprised , I’m now a fan

[@Makeitprime]

Please hold more of these debates!

[@flex8707]

Try to get a unbiased host next time though

[@CRay-yq8se]

WOW..British judge orders disabled 22-week pregnant woman to have abortion This is why you can't have my guns. Admitted overreach and still forcing it anyway, the government said we know what's better for you, shut up and have an operation!

[@MM-hi1gl]

she changed my mind on gun ownership... i need one

[@LastSonOfThanagar]

M M LMAO

[@sarahendrix3132]

Good for you

[@the_17th_dragon32]

Her arguments were so dishonest lmao Good for you as well.

[@eagleeyes144]

M M tbh

[@RomeoDuncombeClarke]

😂

[@catdogg138]

Suicides aren't murder... stop inflating the numbers...

[@MrLeo12000]

that's why they are called "gun deaths"

[@catdogg138]

@@MrLeo12000 and they add those numbers up and call it "gun violence" because it furthers the agenda of taking your rights.

[@jasonwhat5597]

Comparing gun violence to other countries that dont have guns, is not a fair judgement on gun violence. Are women safer having a gun? Yes ,studies show women with guns are 80% more likely to walk away from an assualt then those that dont

[@catdogg138]

Also, as far as stolen guns go... stop restricting citizens from carrying anywhere... people look for gun owners to secure their gun in the car when entering a store. If they never disarmed in the first place, the gun would never be stolen... get rid of CCW restrictions.

[@daddyvladdie2794]

crackindomes420 yea let people walk into schools with guns what a great idea

[@mauser8515]

It's hard to be right when you know nothing about firearms.

[@jesussotelo4775]

Imagine debating someone about guns who dosen't even know what a boltcarrier

[@edg4980]

She’s not addressing the topic🤪

[@Blunt_Man]

@@jesussotelo4775 Or the difference between automatic and semiautomatic and how people are always trying to sneak that in to trick uneducated people.

[@Emando_com]

It's even harder to be right when you know nothing about the Constitution.

[@Emando_com]

@@jesussotelo4775 Your mission, should you choose to accept it: Go to Uvalde and explain to the parents of the dead kids what a bolt carrier is and why it makes any difference.

[@jamesdean4836]

Her:"you actually don't need a license to buy a gun in most states." You don't need a license to buy a car either. You only need a license to drive it in public, just like most states require a permit to carry in public.

[@moth1ne]

So then are you for needing a license to firing a gun?

[@jamesdean4836]

@@moth1ne why would I be in favor of that? I like freedom, not bureaucracy.

[@moth1ne]

@@jamesdean4836 so then I assume you drive around in your car without a license...

[@jamesdean4836]

@@moth1ne no, I try to follow the law as much as I can. But I would be in favor of removing the license requirement for personal travel. It confounds me why any rational person would be against more freedom for themselves. I guess some people just find comfort in being controlled by others. 🤷‍♂️

[@ajbalancedbreakfast8368]

@@jamesdean4836 reminds me of the quote "what bothers you about libertarianism? The fact that you are responsible for your decisions, or the fact that you can't make decisions for me?"

[@MajToure]

Thanks to everyone for the supportive comments, glad Viceland did this.

[@Blake4Truth]

Nice work! Her conclusions from her cherry-picked stats were highly questionable if not very misleading, but you stayed out of the weeds there and went to the heart of the issue, first principles and the true core problem. NH has essentially zero state gun regulations and the lowest murder rate among the 50 states. She curiously never noted the fact that violent crime, murder, and even gun crime has plummeted in America over the last 25 years. A 50% decline in murder rate from 1993 to 2013 compares favorably to her 16% decline in auto fatalities between 1999 and 2016. Odd shed not mention that. The Parkland killer used 10 round magazines. People, disarmed by law, died trying to physically stop him. She claimed that the NRA never offers solutions. The NRA immediately after Sandy Hook funded and implemented a free program to help schools establish good security to protect against mass shooters. Seat belts, airbags, and crumple zones for cars were invented long before the govt mandated them for all vehicles, well except for govt vehicles of course. People were free to pay more to obtain those features. Now we are forced to pay for them. What's safer, driving a clunker, or being able to afford a new car?

[@withthelightsout5258]

Well done man. And awesome hair

[@PrayingPanda]

Black Guns Matter I think it would have been great to see more audience questions asked.

[@Tainomontana]

Black Guns Matter thank you for opening the eyes of those who can not understand or misunderstand some things.

[@jcw294]

Wish the moderator was someone with more knowledge on gun laws, so they could have interjected when facts were skewed. The lady said something to the affect that guns aren't regulated as much as cars. That is a lie. You do not need to have a drivers license to purchase a car. You need one to drive it on public roads. But I can purchase a car and drive around my private property all that I want. Most states that allow concealed require a license and even if they don't you are not actively using your firearm when carrying it except in the case of defending yourself or others. You don't need background checks to buy a car. They want to talk about banning what they call high capacity magazines and assault rifles because they say nobody needs them even though if you ask any reputable expert about the most effective firearms to defend yourself in you home against multiple attackers they will tell you the firearms that these people want to take away. FBI stat all rifle homicides for 2017 is 403 deaths. How many people were killed in or by cars that can exceed the speed limit and were speeding? What no uproar to ban any automobiles that are capable of speeding. Their logic makes no sense.

[@Blake4Truth]

She noted that car deaths dropped 16% from 1999 to 2016, but failed to note that our murder rate declined by about 50% from 1993 to 2013, which is the period in history where guns proliferated and concealed carry rights swept the nation.

[@gaspackgriff9725]

Blake R what evidence do you have for that lmao guns are here now more than ever

[@futurama1211]

I'm pretty sure there are more car crashes than recorded murders XD the way you present your numbers without considering population inflation/deflation is disappointing

[@Kashmirknight]

Yes this woman is completely reading out of the progressive Playbook. In the example of speeding. Yes people slow down because they are law-abiding citizens and that's exactly who you will affect with your new gun laws. I assure you if someone murdered someone in the street with a gun and they drive away from the crime scene I would bet my life on it that they are not going to follow the speed limit. When you make a new law the only person that is affected is the gun owner who would like to keep his weapon and not be harassed by the federal government.

[@LegendaryPlowboy]

@@gaspackgriff9725 FBI uniform crime report. Use your Googles.

[@tmac6904]

@@gaspackgriff9725 it's true gun homicides are down a huge percentage . Yet there are more guns then ever before, and yes there are many gun laws on the books but if you look at those locations with such laws they still have high rates of gun crime compared to a state with no gun laws.

[@charliebrown3513]

Gun get stolen in car outside stadiums. Maybe because the law prevents you from bringing your gun into the stadium.

[@Jessie-wn9qj]

Exactly what came to my mind lol

[@TrashPanda2801]

Simple solution, it can’t get stolen from your car if it’s on your person.

[@thurin84]

ie unintended consequences of gun control being used t advance more gun control lol.

[@rulisa1131]

Do you really want to be in a stadium with 60000 packing hooligans from 2 opposing teams?

[@1312020m]

@@rulisa1131 yes

[@kevykev388]

I'm 18 minutes into this video and this lady is literally talking in circles. She makes a point she agrees with. Then when she goes to elaborate, she explains why her point doesnt even work lol

[@ML-ks2lj]

These people grew up with very strict in their house holds and they need to find ways in power to enact a strict policy on someone else. I'd like to see papers from her shrink if it wasn't illegal or anyone that sits in them same shoes that thinks it's I'm to make a rule that limits one's life given rights. There's power complex, their life given rights were limited by strict parental supervision, or schooling we all know what schooling does, do as I say not as I do! Speculation here

[@Comrade134]

She's a trained politician! #unitedTRASHofamerica

[@djb3174]

Strongest gun laws, Chicago, DC, LA, highest gun crime, same

[@Murmurrr]

D JB strongest gun laws by country have almost no death counts by guns. This is a weak talking point by the right. All those cities have high poverty rates. Different metrics.

[@davidturczak7253]

@@Murmurrr exactly same goes for other countries.

[@KernalPancakes]

D JB also Baltimore. Gangs heavily tamper with the numbers.

[@amsb4dafunk406]

murrrmur Ok Go ahead and compare these cities to countries with high poverty rates.

[@shorodipchowdhury9006]

murrrmur gun control doesn't work. Guns are a tool and people will get them no matter what. I think gun crime is more of a socio-economic issue and gang culture issue rather then legislation issue.

[@Hail_Macbeth]

That moderator was not nearly as neutral as he was pretending to be.

[@thurin84]

by a lot.

[@rulisa1131]

He doesn't really have to be. Maj could have debated 3 of them and held his own as long as it's still civil.

[@butcher24yrold]

@@rulisa1131 exactly he is a bear around coyotes

[@CultrCnnundrm]

the mod works for VICE... of course he wasn't neutral...

[@brockedandloaded6034]

I also love how as soon as he pointed out high capacity magazines, assault rifles, and gun violence were made up terms, she instantly pivoted towards how many people die and that we recognize it as a problem. Appealing to the head failed, so let's appeal to the heart. Hahaha same song and dance everytime

[@Harkonnen33778]

She thinks the Gun Industry is almost entirely unregulated?! What planet is she from?

[@thurin84]

she lying counting on listeners ignorance.

[@Willowlark0]

Seriously!

[@stevennihipali3607]

She's a gun hating Democrat... this shouldn't surprise you

[@moth1ne]

She literally listed all of her points... are any of you going to refute her with different data?

[@stevennihipali3607]

@@moth1ne uh yeah, none of her points at valid out hold any reputable facts to debate

[@redlionesv]

Moderator was kinda bias on the low . I peeped that lol Shoutout maj.

[@ambroseburnside5764]

It's Vice, of course he is. But he isn't that bad though. Lol

[@mostdef8045]

I'm glad I'm not the only one that felt like that and seen that.

[@seanberthiaume8240]

And the female obviously."gun safety" my ass!

[@calebhu6383]

@@ambroseburnside5764 Yeah, he asked tougher questions for the pro-gun group because asking tough questions isn't a problem if you know you are right.

[@thurin84]

kinda?

[@TWZT3DMIND3D]

*No more gun laws. (Shall not be infringed)*

[@tman7390]

*Repeal the Gun Act of 1968 is a start*

[@sosilverraider7119]

One of the biggest advantages us republicans have is our lack of extreme views and our tendency to be logical instead of emotional when forming our ideas. Let’s use that advantage strongly and not propose “no gun laws” it’ll only help the left build a case for why we shouldn’t be taken serious.

[@VeryProPlayerYesSir1122]

@@sosilverraider7119 no more gun laws. They are infringement.

[@VeryProPlayerYesSir1122]

@Damian The issue is on individual level.

[@d.j.9961]

Any action/ law pertaining to firearm's, IS AN INFRINGEMENT!!!!!!!!

[@TXLionHeart]

*(Part 1)* "You're more likely to be killed by a gun in the U.S. because of our lack of laws." Really? The actual chances are far lower than you may be led to believe. If the statement is implying that the chances of a civilian being killed are high due to the ubiquity of legal firearms, let’s see if we can substantiate that implication by perusing the publicly available information. There are around 30,000 gun-related deaths per year by firearms. The U.S. Population is 329,366,637 as of August 27, 2019. Do the math: 30,000/324,059,091 = 0.00009108. Thus, 0.009% of the population die from gun related incidents each year. This is known as being statistically insignificant. What is never told, however, is a breakdown of those 30,000 deaths, to put them in perspective as compared to other causes of death (www.FBI.gov): • 65% of those deaths are by suicide - which would never be prevented by gun laws, and a law-abiding citizen need not be afraid of. • 15% are by law enforcement in the line of duty and justified - once again, something a law-abiding citizen need not be afraid of. • 17% are through criminal activity, gang and drug related or mentally ill persons - better known as gun violence. • 3% are accidental discharge deaths. Technically, “gun violence” is not 30,000 annually, but drops to 5,100. Still too many? Yes, but let’s look at how those deaths spanned across the nation. • 480 homicides (9.4%) were in Chicago (Estimated to be over 1,100 this year) • 344 homicides (6.7%) were in Baltimore • 333 homicides (6.5%) were in Detroit • 119 homicides (2.3%) were in Washington D.C. (a 54% increase over prior years) So basically, 25% of all gun crime happens in just 4 cities. All 4 of those cities have strict gun laws; so, it is not the lack of law that is the root cause. This basically leaves 3,825 for the entire rest of the nation, or about 75 deaths per state. That is an average because some States have much higher rates than others. For example, California had 1,169 and Alabama had 1. Now, who has the strictest gun laws by far? California, of course, but understand, it is not guns causing this. It is a crime rate spawned by the number of criminal persons residing in those cities and states. So, if all cities and states are not created equal, then there must be something other than the tool causing the gun deaths.

[@jonahm.9244]

I may be the only person to read this whole thing.

[@roscoeroney4997]

I’m gonna Screen shot all this

[@TXLionHeart]

@@jonahm.9244 I appreciate you taking the time!

[@TXLionHeart]

@@roscoeroney4997 I'll make it easier by posting the other parts below: *(Part 2)* Are 5,100 deaths per year horrific? Yes, but statistically speaking, being shot is not nearly your biggest concern. According to the FBI’s report, there were an estimated 1,197,704 violent crimes committed around the nation. Therefore, you are 23,484% more likely to be the victim of a violent crime that doesn’t involve you being shot to death than being “a law abiding citizen that is killed by a gun in the US.” How about in comparison to other deaths? All death is sad, and especially when it is in the commission of a crime, but that is the nature of crime. Robbery, death, rape, and assault are all done by criminals. It is ludicrous to think that criminals will obey laws. That is why they are called criminals. But what about other deaths each year? • >40,000 die from a drug overdose-Inexcusable! • 36,000 people die per year from the flu, far exceeding the criminal gun deaths. • 35,000 people die per year in traffic fatalities (exceeding gun deaths even if you include suicide and all other types of incidents). • 200,000+ people die each year (and growing) from preventable medical errors. You are MUCH less likely to get shot in the worst areas of Chicago than you are to die from malpractice in a hospital! • 710,000 people die per year from heart disease. So, what is the point? If the anti-gun movement would focus their attention on heart disease, even a 10% decrease in cardiac deaths would save nearly 14 times the number of lives lost annually from all gun-violence deaths. A 10% reduction in medical errors would be 66% of the total number of gun deaths (including suicide, law enforcement, etc.) or 4 times the number of criminal homicides. ……………. Simple, easily preventable 10% reductions! So, you have to ask yourself, in the grand scheme of things, why the focus on guns?

[@TXLionHeart]

*(Part 3)* It’s pretty simple: Taking away guns gives control to governments. The founders of this nation knew that regardless of the form of government, those in power may become corrupt and seek to rule, as governments have done throughout history, by trying to disarm the populace. It is not difficult to understand that a disarmed citizenry makes a very tractable populace. Thus, the second amendment was proudly and boldly enumerated in the U.S. Constitution; it must be preserved at all costs. So, the next time someone tries to tell you that gun control is about saving lives, look at these facts, and remember these words from Noah Webster: “Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed.” We now know what they’re trying to do, rule the defenseless. It’s not about coming together and agreeing upon the facts. Unfortunately, that will never happen, because the authoritarian Progressive Left does not care about the facts - in fact, they're vehemently against them. They appeal to the emotions of people who are ignorant about the reality of firearms. It has become all about winning the political struggle to overtake the other side. The gun debate is about getting rid of traditional American views of individualism and self-reliance, and replacing it with the spurious facade of security. As Benjamin Franklin warned 270 years ago, “Those who would give up essential Liberty, to obtain a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.”

[@quickpolar97]

See how much sense gun advocates make when they are allowed to finish their thoughts. Unlike every other panel that call themselves having this debate

[@thurin84]

@Marcus Shaw if you think he didnt make good points, and she did you didnt actually listen to anything said, and understand it.......

[@paintup46]

@Marcus Shaw You didn’t understand much of the video, obviously.

[@mgs_mgo_two]

​@Marcus Shaw you applied ear plugs when he spoke huh?

[@tha1ne]

wow this moderator is not even trying to be unbiased, he clearly sides with the woman wtf

[@zavianjones6695]

They both have coochies 😂

[@tbone7353]

This woman talks about people trying to make laws without knowing anything about guns then said a high capacity magazine is 30 witch is a standard magazine and then said assault rifles in the next sentence lol

[@thurin84]

and the premise that you can easily prevent a shooter from reloading.

[@roscoeroney4997]

milcoll73 $1000 says she’s never been in a shootout or in a neighborhood that was under siege

[@jerrydulin6029]

What Becky....I’m shocked! Lol

[@dagestanifive]

The people who know nothing about guns are the very people trying to bring new legislation. That's like an auto mechanic trying to build a house.

[@zeetyg]

I applaud to Maj since he walked into this “debate” 2-to-1. The mc was very dismissive of anything Maj pointed out. The woman doesn’t have weight behind anything she says. I agree with his stance behind everything he says, especially when she is speaking data. 96% of shootings by firearm are a majority of suicide and law enforcement.

[@FliGuyRyan]

Best comment here...

[@Emando_com]

Doesn't matter -- the question being debated is still a piece of gunfucker propaganda that no one but cretins can repeat with a straight face. VICE allowed gunfuckers to set the terms of this "debate," so yeah, Maj starts out leading off from third base here. It's no wonder that so many dimwits think he won.

[@FinishStrong504]

“It’s not a special set of brains that these governments agents have. They are human like us.” That statement right there is powerful. People often refer to “government” as if they are smarter and have a better perspective on certain things they make rules around. Often times they are not smarter, have a more narrow, biased perspective, and are subject to massive corruption that influence the rules they make.

[@WRKF0RAMMO3]

Government people are all oath breaker s because they know they are passing UNCONSTITUTIONAL LAWS!!!!

[@alwaysnunya5036]

10000000000% “Trust the experts” has really become a cancerous crutch for people that are capable of critical thinking but choose not to out of laziness.

[@erth2man]

When someone is arguing to remove rights, freedom and liberty, there can and will be no compromise.

[@dcam8179]

This guy didn't use folders worth of statistics, he didn't need to homework. He brought logic and common sense and smashed this debate. She had some good points, but I got tired of her saying "um". I love how he brought up racism and beat them at their own game. It was great. That moderator was a bias POS and was straight up embarrased when Maj made the point about how the government taking rights has never been a good thing. Its also funny how on the 2nd audience question was given to the girl even though there was a 2 percent decrease from the original but the first question on making stricter laws was kinda passed over and never talked about again. This was a win for the 2nd amendment and rightfully so. Good work.

[@jamesh723]

D Cam he says um a shitload too man

[@NRFBB]

I got tired of reading your comment!

[@thunderhamilton1]

Maj didn't lose the argument though lol

[@justlucky8254]

@Marcus Shaw because....you say so?

[@thecrimsondragon9744]

Isn't that just laziness...

[@younggun5915]

Maj is the best dude to have on this hands down. Colion Noir behind him.

[@BT_Spanky]

She lied or misspoke about the states with the strictest gun laws having lower gun violence than states with lenient gun laws.

[@cubbiemalone49]

Right!!!! She was lying threw her teeth with more than half of the stats she threw out lol

[@Emando_com]

Prove it.

[@jasonu3741]

20:52 "there were full auto machine guns then" in 1787? when the constitution was written? and here i thought there first automatic weapon wouldn't be produced until 1890 a 110 years later, or that he thought maybe the Poco was around in the 1700's

[@Emando_com]

@@jasonu3741 He's probably talking about the Chambers gun, which could fire a blistering 9 rounds per minute - when it was working properly, which it rarely did.

[@awad7391]

yah, its actually the opposite.

[@youtubewatcher4792]

Guns vs cars: Guns are a right , cars are a privilege. When paid in cash, Cars do not need require a background check or drivers license. A drivers license is only required to operate a vehicle in public (roads), not much different from a CCW license except a drivers license is honored in all 50 states a handgun license is not. I could go on an on, but this is just a youtube comment.

[@calexanderroth]

I understand where you are coming from, but your argument is a slippery slope toward tyranny. Neither guns nor cars are a privilege. Private property is a right. Period. Only slaves need permission.

[@anthonyfletcher8053]

Carl Roth driving your car on public road is a privilege. I’m assuming you’re talking about our right to travel the country?

[@CousinBowling]

@@anthonyfletcher8053 it's not a "privilege" to drive on roads that YOU paid for....

[@anthonyfletcher8053]

@@CousinBowling ....yes it is. You are FREE to roam the country but to use an automobile you must go through the proper procedure to the do so legally. If you mess up your driving PRIVILEGES get revoked. Also let’s not act like the common income earner pays enough taxes to cover the cost of the roads lol by that logic the 1% own the roads and they allow you to use it 😁

[@CousinBowling]

@@anthonyfletcher8053 any taxpayer funded property should be allowed to use by any taxpayer.

[@daphnechristle5342]

YOU DONT NEED A LICENSE TO BUY A CAR EITHER LADY

[@katlovesdogs4119]

You need one to drive it, buddy.

[@kermit2.041]

@@katlovesdogs4119 but not buy it

[@kermit2.041]

@@katlovesdogs4119 so won't stop anybody driving it

[@TruckPirate1]

@@katlovesdogs4119 you only need a license to drive one, if you want to obey the law.

[@fastfed]

You don't need a license to drive a car either. Drive it all you want with no restrictions.. on your own property. Just like a gun, no license needed , want to take it out in the public most states already require a license.. oh and one of these two things is a protected constitutional right!

[@albakuf696]

Where's she getting here facts from, i did the research and its like all the opposite 😂😂

[@thurin84]

anti gun lobby sources.

[@jacobconklin4418]

why is the mediator debating against one side of the argument? I thought vice was better than this and eliminating high capacity magazines doesn't stop people from being able to reload.

[@thurin84]

why do you think this whole thing was staged lol? i like how it actually showed that the majority doesnt support gun control lol.

[@bubbiesdad]

Stricter gun laws do not lessen gun violence. See Chicago and Washington DC.

[@mr5t3v3n]

+Mexico

[@FLASK904]

Yes because they can just go to another state and get guns...Listen we have to start beating around the bush with this. We either enact sweeping gun control laws that will limit the 2nd amendment to an interpretation as Justice Byers sees it. Or we just have to accept that the gun violence in our society is a price we are okay with paying and try to do the best we can with enforcement. If guns exist in a society, escalation is an inevitability. Honestly, I'm okay with either side here. I wont ever own a gun but I do want to know how to use it. However I am kinda sick of bullshit arguments on both sides.

[@jeffb5785]

Strict gun laws already in place can't prevent gun crimes, my fear is more laws will only keep guns away from responsible gun owners and cause more unlawful gun possession.

[@FLASK904]

@@jeffb5785 yeah but more guns = more gun deaths. Thats never going to go away. Just like if you have more water in an area, the higher the chances of people drowning in it. Like i said i dont really care but there is no way to get around it, we either curtail the second amendment or live with what we currently have

[@type2depression455]

Arjun Jeffrey Binder is correct I’m in California and places like Los Angeles, Chicago, and other cities here have plenty of gun deaths by people that don’t buy guns legally and law abiding citizens don’t buy guns because it’s soo hard to own a gun. so it’s easier for criminals to own one since they don’t abide by the law but it’s harder for people that do abide to own one so if the laws were looser, maybe good people would be able to protect themselves in places like Chicago . More guns=less deaths

[@Crunk99ify]

Shall not be infringed....end of story.

[@fozzyozzy1030]

It's an amendment it's a change to the constitution. The idea that an amendment can't be amended. Is laughable read a history book.

[@Crunk99ify]

The bill of rights (first 10 amendments) carry a higher burrden to overrule....it was a dealbreaker if those 10 amendements, granted by God and acknowledged by man were not included...go get a constituational law degree sometime.

[@poctordepper4469]

Fozzy Ozzy it's an inalienable right. You cannot amend rights. Alcohol wasn't a right, slavery wasn't a right. That's why we could amend those.

[@Crunk99ify]

@@@poctordepper4469 because the word "Inalienable" and it was on the "Bill of Rights"...they carry a higher burden than other amendments like the 14th or 18th and 21st.

[@poctordepper4469]

AlabamaPanther 1776 no argument here

[@ChrisplussTina96]

Maj is absolutely right about gun manufacturers already being heavily regulated. I work in the gun industry and we already have so many regulation and rules. And laws change state by state all the time and it hurts business so much when one state all of a sudden decide to make something illegal. If anyone knows of regulations in the car industry which compares, please let me know cause I can't think of any for the most part

[@stephansharps4440]

I was trying to think of the regulations that a car manufacturer might have in place - seat belts, air bags, crash ratings, etc. Then I started to think about how many moving parts and computers a modern vehicle is made of. A typical firearm has about the same mechanical complexity as a carburetor - or coincidentally, it operates in a similar way to a piston - but then add in the transmission, the drive line, wheels, tires, steering components, fuel system, monitoring systems, etc, etc. Compared to a firearm, a car is a really complex piece of machinery, even the most complex of firearms, which is typically not found in your average civilian's holster, isn't nearly as mechanically complex as a base model Subaru. Of course an automobile is going to have more regulation. And a firearm isn't nearly as utilized as an automobile - I see thousands of cars on the road every day, I see maybe 3 guns on the average day; 2 of them being carried by police officers, the third in my waistband. All 3 of those people carrying those firearms being licensed to do so - all of those firearms manufacturers licensed to manufacturer. I just think the comparison is dumb.

[@KPeteE]

Fast forward a years: now victims can go after gun manufacturers when their guns are used in crimes. I would love to see a law passed that would allow victims to go after Toyota and Apple for someone losing their life to a driver who causes an accident while on their iPhone driving a Prius 🤔

[@Emando_com]

You can't think of regulations in the car industry? Gee, I hope you're not a licensed driver. You don't know jack about cars.

[@sosilverraider7119]

It’s insane at 47:00 she admits the people trying to change gun laws know nothing about guns and she acts like it’s a minor issue, no biggie! It’s insane that we’d let people so uneducated get away with changing laws.

[@drehardin]

😳

[@bigzclipz5104]

Well gun control is being push by white liberal women and suburbs white moms who have nothing to do since they stay home all day .

[@lopezbmx86duece]

She says "gun deaths are up! We need more laws" Then in the next segment she says "gun theft is up 84%" That's called shooting yourself in the foot.

[@NRFBB]

What the fuck did you wrote?

[@anthonyfletcher8053]

Yeah idk how you got 22 likes I don’t understand the comparison..

[@kdwithgoodhair5451]

Anthony Fletcher I got it

[@llibressal]

Anthony Fletcher I got it.

[@justlucky8254]

@@anthonyfletcher8053 you seem to be alone with that one.

[@user-kg8wr9uq9m]

Maj did a great Job. I still don’t understand how she disagreed with a fact. This origin of gun control is racist. That’s not up for debate. Gun control is RACIST! Period. She wasn’t ready for him to say that lol shit caught her off guard 🤣🤣

[@ambroseburnside5764]

Because liberals push gun control, and she is under the illusion that liberals can't be racist. Even though she pushes a legalization that is biased on racism.

[@mr.delacruz559]

💯 all gun laws are absolutely racist & affect all minority’s especially blacks & Hispanics in poor neighborhoods that have a very high violent crime rate.The far left politicians do not care about minority’s because not one single gun law that the Left has ever passed has or will stop the black market on firearms. They can’t stop people from coming I let alone an object. So when they say why would anyone need an assault rifle or a 30round mag or 100 round drum. I say Yes because I want every single advantage I can get from those who are willing to break the law by invading my home with firearms from the black market that have no restrictions. I want all Law biding citizens to be able to have an upper hand over criminals trying to take their lives. Remember these laws are coming from the party that is responsible for the KKK, Jim Crow, The Welfare state that they called the N%#?! Bill yet they call conservatives racist even though most minority’s live a conservative life style. Well done Maj you got my support & respect!

[@aryastark3827]

S woah quit playing the race card you liberal

[@thurin84]

because her feelings dont care about his facts lol.

[@bravofighter]

The majority of crimes committed with a firearm are in densely-populated areas that also suffer from poverty and high costs of living. The gun isn’t the problem.

[@christopherkey2272]

All I hear is one lady telling us why the govt should have more guns and power than its citizens and we should lose even more rights. And one person having to explain why we need to keep our rights. What little we have left

[@MidnightWolfSDJ]

Im so glad my state legalized Constitutional Carry

[@jkrieger6832]

You in Oklahoma too?

[@MidnightWolfSDJ]

@@jkrieger6832 yup!

[@my1125]

Mississippi here, and fuck yeah now I just have got to get my top tier CC license so I can pack my tool everywhere in the state

[@N81703]

MidnightWolf I hate being in CA

[@joshmaag2457]

hiccup1713 I hate being in NJ lol

[@j.johnson7891]

she conveniently left out Chicago when mentioning cities with the most strict gun laws

[@keithprater7263]

Chicago isn't a state bruh

[@thurin84]

and that most of the "gun violence" in those states are in large urban areas, often with strict gun control.

[@thurin84]

@@keithprater7263 but its in one bruh

[@moth1ne]

She literally did not. They talked about Chicago. You weren’t listening. “The majority of guns in Chicago come from Indiana.” Which is true. The problem with city gun control laws is that they are too weak and meaningless when interstate travel is easy.

[@djlu3011]

@@moth1ne to that I say...if that was the case, then why doesn't indiana have a high gun violence?

[@diogenespendergast5958]

So much respect for Maj, this is clearly a left leaning organization. He represented the pro gun side very well. I want more of these conversations. I think most people will realize that the anti-gun movement is ill informed and more interested in power than safety.

[@Emando_com]

You respect somebody who thinks full-auto machine guns existed in the 1790s?

[@GummeeH3]

@@Emando_com It may not have been a true machine gun, but there was certainly at least one Gatling gun style multi-barreled weapon that was submitted to the War Dept in 1792. So rapid fire weapons weren't completely unknown. ALL the anti-gun people keep forgetting one important thing: the words 'shall not be infringed' are directly written into the Constitution. The entire point of the 2nd Amendment it to have an armed populace capable of resisting a tyrannical government. Doubt me? See also Japanese internment camps during WW2 for what the government is capable of doing if left unchecked

[@Emando_com]

@@GummeeH3 You can read all about the Chambers gun here. The problem with this and all other repeating gun designs of the 18th and earlier centuries is that they didn't work as intended, frequently malfunctioned, or were too complicated for everyday military use. Fresh off their experience in the Revolutionary War, the Founders were interested in Guns That Actually Worked, and in the 1790s that meant single-shot weapons. And no, you slobbering numbskull, the 2nd Amendment has nothing to do with resisting government tyranny. That is just more NRA bullshit and only knuckle-dragging morons say such things. The Constitution gives Congress the authority over militias, and the Militia Acts of the 1790s extend that authority to the president. Militias were intended to assist and be controlled by the government, not to overthrow it. You'll need to explain how militias could've, would've, or should've prevented Japanese internment. There were 126,948 people of Japanese descent on the US mainland in 1942, mostly on the West Coast. California had the most Japanese people, but they made up only 1.2% of the population. They didn't have the numbers to resist the US government even if all of them had been armed. Are you trying to blame the victims for getting locked up because they didn't have guns? You're forgetting just how patriotic the Nisei were. The Army actually recruited soldiers out of the internment camps, and the young men who signed up became part of the 442nd, the most decorated infantry regiment in US history. And now along comes an idiot like you, trying to blame some of the greatest US soldiers of all time for not resisting the government. What a tool. ageofrevolutions.com/2016/10/20/the-promise-of-american-repeating-weapons-1791-1821/

[@sarahendrix3132]

What if I told you gun control is not about guns but control

[@Crunk99ify]

Once upon a time, as a country, we used to do this. Everybody should go through firearms training....if the person is still anti-gun, then at least I can respect their opinion because they wouldn't be coming from a place of complete ignorance. I guarantee the lady in this video has never shot, never trained, and everything she says is theory...nothing from experience.

[@wesodell4286]

AlabamaPanther Johnson every single person I know that anti-gun knows nothing about guns I know a few people that What guns but want a little more control not much but a little more but they usually see the point of both sides of the argument anymore that’s a bully out for banning guns or banning Ar15 doesn’t know much about guns

[@wesodell4286]

AlabamaPanther Johnson Also just because someone a shotgun or has training with guns doesn’t mean they know much about guns my my best friend when I was in high school shotguns with me a few times and had some training on gun safety but didn’t know the difference between an AR 15 and a m16 so Some people say they know about guns when they really don’t and then try to argue on banning guns when they don’t know enough detail about it

[@Crunk99ify]

What I am referring to is a federal law (I will have to look up the exact code) that was put in place after the civil war by the federal government that requires civilians to train for free (taught by certified or military instructors). But if you call and ask your senator or congress person about it, they claim we do not have the budget for it, even though it is active law.

[@Crunk99ify]

I'm down for that...it also teaches team work and to stop being selfish...I think that's a great idea.

[@mostdef8045]

It all about emotion and control. If I don't like guns you shouldn't either.

[@tbone7353]

The ATF isn't allowed to digitize gun sale records because the government isn't allowed to know who legally owns firearms

[@pierowmania2775]

Correction, the Federal Government isn't allowed to know who owns guns. Several states have "registrations" of some sort, usually a list of who has legally purchased a gun under state law.

[@llibressal]

Update: ATF is now changing the FFLs so that the applicant info and the firearm info are on the same page. They're doing this so that they can streamline the info into one photo when the visit gun shops and inspect the forms. At this time they're photographing each one for their illegal database.

[@thurin84]

ie a gun registration.

[@thurin84]

@@pierowmania2775 yep. like in new york where such information was leaked to a newspaper and published. at least 3 of the firearms owners had guns stolen.

[@christhomas2389]

The people trying to fix these "problems" don't live in the areas where they would need or like to have a means to defend themselves however they see fit. I don't walk on a plane and tell the pilot how to fly. What would congress and the senate work on if they didn't argue about the same topics endlessly vs fixing things that can be fixed relatively quickly?

[@AM-qz6cm]

"undetectable and untraceable" I LOVE the sounds of that.

[@MagnumCreed]

I almost thought this woman was going to sound smart. She doesn’t.

[@thurin84]

she does, however, sound smart to dumb people.

[@fistaloconner5830]

This chick is clueless. The guy has his act together.

[@aaronbuckley4608]

Fact, this guy had all his ducks in a row and he’s very intelligent, you can tell his approach also was just general knowledge, he also didn’t need to almost sound like he had a “pre-scripted” list of things he was going to say like a lot of people do increasing gun laws, it’s always the same argument. She started buckling after the hollow points argument because she just had no idea what was going on at that point lmao

[@thurin84]

@Marcus Shaw just because you missed his points does not mean he didnt make them. just sayin.

[@thurin84]

@Marcus Shaw like i said. completely missed the point. he was being polite and not calling her a liar to her face. he won because, obviously, the majority of the respondants agreed with his position.

[@InevitableRevolution]

Marcus Shaw I can guarantee Maj won this debate, and these gun grabbers won’t win the overall the gun debate.

[@knndyskful]

I can’t even take all the lies this woman is spitting out everything she’s saying is wrong

[@Emando_com]

Prove it.

[@erictheredlv]

Outlaw prescription drugs, Outlaw ropes, outlaw carbon monoxide

[@jamesbrooks1367]

honestly I'm at least proud of vice for stepping out of the left a bit to at least have a debate (even if it is not that good). it is a step in the right direction.

[@AikiraBeats]

Very true it was pretty interesting hearing what they have to say

[@marco_marks]

The debate was fairly good in my opinion.

[@ShadGMoore]

It WAS a good attempt that should be lauded. But it also seemed rushed and a lot of the anti-gun gish-gallop could not be addressed effectively.

[@13Clicks]

It’s deeper than the actual “gun”. It should be about the mental health of the violent humans.

[@honkymonkey9568]

Because it's so much easier to regulated the mental health of 300 million people than a metal contraption.

[@whatismyname3775]

​@@mr.delacruz559 and we let those mentally ill people own guns. "300,000 to 3,000,000" Mr.DeLaCruz that is pretty long range, even for bullshit statement. Where do you think "black market" guns come from? Floria alone has over 80k guns that was stolen and haven't been recovered for last 10 years. So much for "law biding citzens"

[@flyingviking2149]

What is My name? That range comes from a CDC study. So it’s not bullshit.

[@whatismyname3775]

@@flyingviking2149 please show me the study, there is no actual research on defensive uses of guns by CDC on public [at least I can find] There is only utter bullshit "CDC says this and that" with no source or studies. and FBI says 94% "Armed Citizens Are Successful 94% Of The Time At Active Shooter Events" W.E this means loll There are so many progun websites spreading bullshits with no facts and seems like people are eating that shit because it simply agrees with their arguments.

[@whatismyname3775]

@@flyingviking2149 Meanwhile FBI and NCVS data shows self defense with gun is extremely rare, less than only 3% of all violent crimes have been involved "good guy with guns"

[@RobertGarcia-wv8vx]

Gun Control? The real reason to outlaw guns in the hands of citizens? It's not that wackos kill ordinary citizens. That stuff will always happen. A club, a knife or a rock or an explosive device will do. No, the real reason IS that politicians ARE AFRAID that some ordinary citizen might get fed up with an elected or high level civil servant or tycoon and just 'whack' them for doing naughty things .... THAT ...... is the REAL REASON.

[@pierowmania2775]

The argument about Chicago's guns coming from Indiana... It's already illegal for an Illinois resident to purchase a firearm from out of state. Therefore her argument for more laws regulating interstate gun purchases is calling for more regulations that ALREADY exist. If you're advocating for more laws, it is your duty to be fully informed on ALL the laws that already exist!

[@josephatherley]

I find it hilarious how she thinks that criminals (mostly gang members in this case of Chicago) will go all the way outside of the state to legally buy a gun to come back and commit crimes with them

[@omahadre]

I love how (31:15 min mark) 85% are now in agreement with Maj! Way to go! Facts and definitions of words matter!

[@Dazen101]

"I want that really cool gun." That's a great point.

[@juliomaldonado4028]

It is a great point. Some people buy guns just because they are cool. Me included.

[@DreamHawkers]

He should've said I wasn't the really effective gun

[@EM-vs7wx]

Maj sounds like he needs to get on City Council. Good luck to you. Proud that you are working so hard with offer guns and gun education to your community! I’m

[@davidgearardo1788]

Wow I like that maj toure guy. I think he's really zeroing in on this. I hope he gets that seat in philly politics.

[@Don008Ramon]

Maj Toure keep up the good work, we need more people like you.

[@Emando_com]

Really? A guy who says high cholesterol is a weapon?

[@phl_knives]

Maj awesome debate, thanks for getting Black Guns Matter started in PHL and moving that message around the country. If you ever need someone to teach safety in philly let me know.i have my LTCF and I would love to help. It's multiple guns not being aloud to sell in many states, company's like Daniel's, glock, magpul, etc. I know Colion isn't allowed to sell his new gun in California. This question was so loaded, firearm sales, building of guns and even accessories are more strictly regulated in the any car and also firearms don't get subsidies like Tesla. Guns are not the problem, mental health community and firearms safety is what we need more attention paid to. Guns don't need to be regulated for testing, the industry, hell one company (Sig)did a way better job on recalls than all car company's combined make sure the guns are safe. "Smart" guns are garbage, I would never ever own a smart gun, I wouldn't carry one to protect my family or self. One point I wish was brought up more to the Parkland shooter not only having police interactions over 30x but that the Parkland shooter used 10 round magazines not 30 round standard capacity mags. Or the Texas church shooting being stopped by an NRA instructor with an AR15, the media hardly covered it and didn't cover the 10 round magazines at Parkland all but locally. The NRA represents 5+ million members who they represent in who and what laws they want or don't want. Maj well said, no one brings up the NRA was founded to allow freed slaves to have the right to bear arms. I had this conversation last night that lower income neighborhoods and the people in those areas need budget guns and reasonable prices for carry permits. Unlike NY NJ and Illinois charging 100s of dollars just to apply for the permit. That's not financially feasible for many older people in lower income areas. It's not just 3D printed guns, milled guns, or made by hand from hardware store parts to build guns are and should be legal. Law abiding citizens are and should continue to be able to make guns like current federal law as stated by the ATF. Maj I couldn't agree more about idiots doing dumb things with home made gun's should not effect the good guys with guns. The anti-gun community seems to just wants to add more government involvement.. we need to keep this fundamental human right to self defense. Oh and 3D printed guns are illegal period if you're making them undetectable, the need metal springs, firing pin and pins. An assassin's gun is a ridiculous statement. Oh and Damn Right Larry Sharpe is a great candidate who might actually change NY

[@MrBigChops]

They lied and said Glocks were undetectable back in the 80s and 90s. Lol

[@phl_knives]

@@MrBigChops I forgot about that gem. They actually passed a bill to make sure all firearms had X amount of ounces of metallic components. Even though the Glock has probably 10 times the needed wait in just the slide. Not counting the FCG and barrel. The fools who are trying their damndest to take away the fundamental Right of self preservation have zero clue about how a firearm functions. Remember "full semi automatic"? I'm real interested to see how SCOTUS rules on this pending case with FPC related to the actual meaning of Bear arms, outside the home. It could be Heller V. D.C. level win but for carry.

[@dangeles95]

Maj is a boss

[@LegendaryPlowboy]

Maj knocked it out of the park again. #RepealTheNFA

[@GearsNCarpentry]

Please do this with obesity! Much larger and less talked about issue that impacts nearly everybody.

[@RobertGarcia-wv8vx]

GMO and polyunsaturates in our food diet, leads to OBESITY and illnesses and the need for Pharma to treat it. Sell it, get people fat and sick and Pharma reaps $$$. Too many food commercials, equating it as a fun thing. ............. Me? ................... I eat to live, not live to eat.

[@thurin84]

and medical malpractice.

[@jra5624]

"You shouldn't have a gun!". "Come and take it, then.". And that's the very fucking reason we have inalienable rights to bear arms.

[@luvgunz2771]

She talks about gun ownership like it's a privilege. And citenzens as civilians. That's the problem. It's a right.

[@drroyalbleu7021]

My favorite part about this is the polls showing up and absolutely wrecking the anti-firearm position

[@MrMeangreen1310]

They used to teach gun safety in schools. It was on the same level as driving school.

[@MidnightWolfSDJ]

Stop! Dont touch! Leave the area and tell an adult! 😂😂😂 that one stayed with me since elementary school. It should really be the other way around. Parents who are gun owners need to do better jobs at educating their children about gun safety. How to handle a gun. Let them see the damage it causes to a target so they can build a respect for them. Im not saying place an UZI in the hands of a toddler. But from early ages kids must be educated (dont forget ear protection). I know i will definitely teach my future children at a young age firearm safety as a gun owner. So yes part of the jingle i said in the opening sentence has some truth to it but if taken out of context it can actually teach kids to unhealthily fear guns rather than respectfully fear them.

[@aolvaar8792]

S.P.O.R.T.S., slap, pull, observe, release, tap, squeeze when I was a 16 yrs old, junior in High School (1974) a semester long class in M16/AR-15 Parents can opt-out their children, otherwise their child will be instructed in America's Gun

[@kingkwon8002]

A Olvaar It’s C-SPORTS now, the C standing for “Confirm the fire selection lever is on Semi/Burst/Auto.”

[@thurin84]

yep. and then the "gun safety" organizations hounded such programs out of schools.

[@tomh6206]

Debate question to both was: We should regulate the firearms industry like we regulate the auto industry. The answer is simple - we're WAY more lax on the auto industry. When was the last time that we wanted to ban ALL drivers because of Drunk Driver deathtolls?... When was the last time that Ford, Chevy, Chrysler was blamed for making a car that a drunk driver irresponsibly used to kill someone that was innocent in the whole tragedy? So, all the responsible drivers are at fault, because of the actions of the drunk drivers, and the deaths that were caused by their actions? You have to be kidding me. You want to talk about "fair regulation?"...

[@TXLionHeart]

*(Part 2)* Are 5,100 deaths per year horrific? Yes, but statistically speaking, being shot is not nearly your biggest concern. According to the FBI’s report, there were an estimated 1,197,704 violent crimes committed around the nation. Therefore, you are 23,484% more likely to be the victim of a violent crime that doesn’t involve you being shot to death than being “a law abiding citizen that is killed by a gun in the US.” How about in comparison to other deaths? All death is sad, and especially when it is in the commission of a crime, but that is the nature of crime. Robbery, death, rape, and assault are all done by criminals. It is ludicrous to think that criminals will obey laws. That is why they are called criminals. But what about other deaths each year? • >40,000 die from a drug overdose-Inexcusable! • 36,000 people die per year from the flu, far exceeding the criminal gun deaths. • 35,000 people die per year in traffic fatalities (exceeding gun deaths even if you include suicide and all other types of incidents). • 200,000+ people die each year (and growing) from preventable medical errors. You are MUCH less likely to get shot in the worst areas of Chicago than you are to die from malpractice in a hospital! • 710,000 people die per year from heart disease. So, what is the point? If the anti-gun movement would focus their attention on heart disease, even a 10% decrease in cardiac deaths would save nearly 14 times the number of lives lost annually from all gun-violence deaths. A 10% reduction in medical errors would be 66% of the total number of gun deaths (including suicide, law enforcement, etc.) or 4 times the number of criminal homicides. ……………. Simple, easily preventable 10% reductions! So, you have to ask yourself, in the grand scheme of things, why the focus on guns?

[@Drifthaze]

She really doesn't know guns at all.

[@timothyoneil5355]

Wow, that man was on point. Thank you sir. You came prepared and brought your heart with you. I hope to see you talk about other subjects. Have a blessed day.

[@douglashebert2523]

This is an old vid but I enjoyed the respect that they showed each other, as a pro 2a American I can accept both sides of the debate. Thank you for this debate and to both parties point of view.

[@1312020m]

Moderator pretends to be neutral but its obvious which side he sits on. It was hilarious watching her say some of those things with a straight face

[@alfaivre2990]

Maj is a beast. Dudes super intelligent and on point.

[@carichar87]

38:00 Colion with "The Advocate"??? That is a sweet handgun lol

[@trackingthealgorithm221]

Soon we will be debating the right to free speech and due process

[@Bruceless]

I love how the "moderator" jumps in and out of the debate.... Uhhh isn't the moderator supposed to be unbiased?? Ohhh, that's right, this is a Vice debate!

[@kolinsoots8343]

I’m only 18 mins into the video and being someone (pro gun) I really appreciate the lady wanting more gun restriction so far not using straw man arguments or appealing to emotions saying things like “so you want more people to die” and things of that nature. So far she has presented facts and helped draw the picture and it seems to me she is just trying to find a solution and not “win” a debate for ego’s sake.

[@Ignatz71]

All violent crimes rates are down, including gun crimes. Times have never been safer for Americans at-large. If it ain't broke.....

[@chaytonwendler8144]

I like how she skipped Chicago nor using actual statists

[@1911GreaterThanALL]

If gun controls reduced gun crime then why is it that she only focuses on high income countries? I thought we were seeing the effects of gun control not gun control and money? We have a higher homicide rate even if you discounted firearms from those statistics entirely. That right there proves to me we have more criminally minded people or mentally defective people committing crimes. It is even more curious why she only compared firearms laws between states but doesn't compare like states and their poverty level. If according to her only developed nations are comparable then it would seem like comparing similar income rates and gun controls would make more sense if we confine ourselves to her logic.

[@thurin84]

because it allows her to cherry pick her data silly.

[@stanley6282]

As soon as I seen vice I knew how biased this was going to be

[@rufusrizzo78]

Well done! Thanks for bringing this to everyone!

[@thatredheadguy7927]

I’m just sayin Florida has the stickiest gun policy I’ve ever seen and the murder with firearms has actually gone up, u go to Texas where there’s little gun control policy, and u get the opposite affect, more people have guns, and less people have been murdered with a fire arms. There’s no arguing the statistics, numbers don’t lie, more gun control policy’s enables more criminals to break the law. Also I’m from Louisiana, we don’t have gangs killin each other over what colors to where like New York🤷‍♂️

[@greenlion6544]

He did a great job. I think the part on the statistics and suicides along with people from outside the community coming in not being the answer was spot on.

[@jameswyrm8]

Lady doesnt know her guns . 30rnd mag is a standard mag . assault rifle is a select fire weapon which are illegal already unless you under go a vetting process , massive tax stamp , and a long waiting period. Ar does not stand for assault rifle it stands for armalite rifle . Please before you make talking points get informed . 99% of people who own guns dont have select fire rifles.

[@luisj5386]

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." Thank God for our constitution

[@Jordan-ll5eq]

unfortunately a lot of politicians and Americans don’t care about it

[@gaspackgriff9725]

Chelsea seems to be ignorant to the fact that if guns don’t move from state to state they’re gonna get moved from country to country. Same thing happened with we weed, now we all smokin Cali bud instead of mexican brick weed.

[@kaileru93]

Gang on gang violence and drug related homicides also inflate the numbers. How many of those weapons were legally acquired by the offender?

[@bonasa9712]

Tough fight for Maj. Uphill battle with this crowd.

[@jonathanbefort336]

Anyone else notice how the host moved on really quick from the first poll results, but the second poll results, he turned to her and said "Chelsea you won that round"?

[@thurin84]

yeah, even though most of the respondents agreed with maj position lol.

[@shaulkramer2963]

Maj Toure is amazing.

[@StAlchemyst]

Thank you I appreciate you reinforcing the fact we all have a god given right to self preservation. Also I don’t understand how someone who is following the law “gets in trouble with a firearm” without commuting an accessory crime or some unlawful action with said firearm.

[@nashonabo821]

What I get from these debates is.. White woman who probably lives in good neighborhood wants guns to be banned because her biggest threat is an incredibly rare mass shooting (hence why they always play on emotions) 2A advocate looks at it from the perspective of people who cant rely on cops to save them (IE disabled people, women, people in poor neighborhoods, sometimes even children) The only person here not being considerate to the fact I have to rely on myself where I live is that woman. Not only that she doesn't believe that my wife should have the ability to protect herself from some crazed and drugged up man charging at her?

[@clownworldhereticmyron1018]

Yep, cops are useless when it comes to protecting you or your family. Just look at the case of Jessica Gonzales- she had a court restraining order against her violent husband, order stated he must stay away from her home and their three daughters. The husband abducted the girls, Jessica called the police multiple times begging them to arrest him for violating the order, cops refused and did not take her seriously. She even went to the police station to ask them. The husband killed all three of the girls a few hours after taking them. He drove to the police station and committed suicide by cop. They found his daughters bodies in his car. Court ruled the police did not violate any laws. They are SUPPOSED to arrest people if they violate a restraining order, buuuut theyre not legally obligated.

[@Pansonice]

Did she just compare gun laws to stop sign laws? Lmao

[@csr326]

Omg, this women literally knows nothing about fire arms.

[@blueblessed4053]

My guy hit em with the woo whop bam with that NRA response

[@michalwalenciak2478]

Listing to this lady make me realize that I don't need a gun, I need guns and lots of ammo.

[@geraltofrivian516]

Came here for the comments

[@lucasbradshaw2545]

I love Maj. But I really wish he highlighted her skewed statistics... numbers don't lie, people do tho

[@butterflymage5623]

Lucas Bradshaw didn’t have the time, I think he made better use of the time given to him.

[@thurin84]

me to. and when she was outright lying about the firearms industry not being regulated and the plcaa act.

[@johnawakening9908]

This poor lady was totally out of her depth. Her arguments were weak, unqualified and simply trotting out unfounded definitions and conflating issues which have nothing to do with gun ownership. It's such a pity that this has become such an easy target in America.