The Price of Education In China | Gen 跟 China

[@name-pz3ut]

I am a 14-year-old junior high school student in China, and when we lost a basketball game, the teacher "comforted" us and said, "It's not that we can't get into high school, what's so unhappy?"It seems that going to high school is an integral part of life……

[@samsonsoturian6013]

Just so we're clear, army drill sergeants aren't allowed to do a lot of this stuff in most countries. Sleep deprivation and injuries kills actual learning regardless how determined everyone is.

[@BofaDee33]

You obviously have no idea what you are talking about. The Army regulation says a Drill Sgt. only has to give trainee's 4 hours of sleep and it doesn't have to consecutive hours.

[@samsonsoturian6013]

@@BofaDee33 I've seen the insides of 3 different basics and no, that's no how that works. We like to joke about what is technically allowed but there's several competing ideas of how to run training.

[@user-rg6ky1ff5i]

Who are you? No one asked you also. So to start by saying "just so WE'RE clear" makes no sense.

[@samsonsoturian6013]

@winterbreak It varies. There's what prescribed in the program and there's whatever the freakin DS feels like.

[@iamhardwell2844]

army drill sergeant wont harm anyone in the camp it was the senior bully the boot

[@djclawson]

I used to work for those online tutoring companies. They wanted native English speakers and promised you $16 but would dock your pay for things like yawning on screen. The pace was insane. I was fired for not smiling enough. The burnout rate was very, very high, especially because you had to get up at about 4 am to do it if you lived in America. The kids would be really young - the youngest I tutored was 3, too young to understand anything at all - and be in pajamas and finishing up their dinner, so like the last thing they wanted to do was stare at a computer and learn English, especially because the age range seemed to be 5-7-year-olds. Sometimes they would pick up the laptop they were on and just run around the room with it and the parents would give us bad marks for not keeping their child engaged enough. It was a really horrible job for both companies I worked for.

[@Maya_Pinion]

Whoa 😳....

[@PeukinsPoint]

People used to advertise that job to me as a side hustle for an entrepreneur. Sounds awful.

[@neellavgogoi4975]

Jesus Christ what's this world is becoming

[@mattattack5205]

HELL

[@pepelepew1227]

they will hire any whyte guy without a weird accent as 'native speaker'. caucasians are simply dispensable marketing tools and only likeable teachers stick around. if you give homework of summarising 4 articles and subbing english language dramas after every lesson, you will still be fired no matter how much those kids improve.

[@sugar_rushride]

i'm a hong kong student studying in one of the best schools there. i didn't understand how the education system took a toll on our mental health because every day, teachers would constantly remind us how lucky we are to be accepted to study in this 'prestigious' school because thousands of people apply to transfer here each year, but turn out unsuccessful. besides, i knew everyone was unhappy, so i didn't think of any reasons why i should complain. i'm one of the kids who was called 'better-off', not because i'm rich because i didn't have to attend tutorial classes until 10 pm unlike most of my classmates. instead, i studied by myself at home. even when i wanted to ask help from a tutor, my requests were often declined since my parents wanted to show off to their colleagues and family friends how "good" i am in my studies because i received no tutoring at all and still managed to get in the top 5% of my year level. academics were always discussed in family dinners, and mine didn't hesitate to show off with big smiles and make other families feel bad because their children wasn't as 'good' as mine. i didn't want to make their children hate me because i was in a better school, and their parents often compared my results and achievements to theirs. teaching was done very quickly. we had 2 tests per subject (we had 12), all done in 3 weeks. during test weeks, i would only have 2 hours to sleep every night because i needed to study so that i could have perfect grades, for every time results came back, teachers would compare my class' results to the years before, and other classes in my year level. they swore at us, calling us "rubbish", "useless" and even said "it would better off if you all were dead because we do not deserve you idiots as students". us students were all depressed and anxious (we all did tests online after seeing an ad on social media) but we did nothing to stand up against our school as we may be kicked out. i only had physical education once every 2 weeks because the school claimed we are all "skinny enough" and our time to do sports should be used on extra language classes. even during physical education, us girls weren't allowed to do a lot of things. we couldn't play a lot of sports, like basketball nor even dodgeball because it was considered "unladylike". the school and parents were all about grades, grades and grades to raise the school's rankings as we were against tight competition. we get extra lessons during the holidays from 8 am to 3 pm just like regular school days but with no extra curricular, and on average 20 pieces of homework + projects to be completed during the holidays which only lasted for around 9-10 days. still, since everyone was treated the same in hong kong, and throughout my friend group which spanned across the top schools here. students committed suicide often -- there was a case every 2-3 weeks, some students were even as young as 13 years old. my parents called them "weak" and "a disgrace to their family", and for a time, i believed them. my parents showed me videos of young uneducated children in poor areas, reminding me how "lucky" i was to able to study, and in one of the best institutions too. but that all changed when i witnessed my close friend attempting suicide. though i managed to seek help and she didn't jump down from the building, i felt traumatised and helpless because the school paid the media not to report on such news (it was 'interview season' and they didn't want to lose applicants). she's in another school now. i miss her. to all people who are undergoing prison-like education such as mine, i can only wish you all the best of luck. as us hong kongers would say : 加油! add oil!

[@cmgs7]

dse?

[@suckitgreenboiiiii1921]

I'm sorry but this may offend you, your parents are toxic.. As an asian 17 year old kid, i also experienced that lifestyle of "you're lucky to have this thing" and getting compared to other children if you're better from them or not... It's really toxic, parents gives us this depressing anxious feeling that we don't matter without this grades and that we are lucly to even able to study, the guilt tripping and gaslighting is just too much for children.. Why can't they just give us a break sometimes?

[@sugar_rushride]

@@suckitgreenboiiiii1921 none taken. hope you’re doing better wherever you are.

[@hafiz7058]

Stay strong!!

[@yoshibleu14]

加油 ❤❤❤

[@chamberofsecrets6857]

Others - criticizing the education system meanwhile me - watching these videos for study motivation 💀👀

[@AbdoAzeez-tq9hv]

😂😂

[@enchantedangel]

Lmao same 💀

[@LeviAckerman-hs3ro]

Same

[@paris_04]

YOOOOOO JAJA

[@lihngamkonyak2064]

🤝🙂

[@vityavalidol2292]

My Chinese neighbors told me it’s normal to wish a newborn child good health and successful passage of exams

[@bearhugsforyou3349]

Good health I understand, but the exam?????

[@williamzhang-ml5py]

@bearhugsforyou3349 isn't that funny? but that is certainly true.Sometimes the key are not the exam, but the wish to be the best compared to others

[@williamzhang-ml5py]

One of my Chinese classmate have the given name "一佳". These two Chinese characters together stand for "the first" "the best"😂

[@sootheinsidegrl]

yes, we chinese were born in a starting line😢

[@naliu6905]

True:(

[@IshaIsSomehowTaken]

My god... this actually gives me an understanding of why there are so many international students from China who board at my school, especially students in my year (year 12). To get an education which is actually constructive and without the burden of social status being dictated by marks etc. I'll have to replay this video when ever I start to complain about my education being hard because it is NOTHING compared to THIS.

[@---bk7of]

I suffer from it every day😞

[@phoebesekine4783]

@@---bk7of im so sorry, hopefully uou can get out of it!

[@Zyber_mechanics]

I got out right before the suffering truly began

[@trevorphillips8000]

I'm 14 right now, and I suffered from this kind of Chinese education system since I was born. These few weeks I don't want to go to school, so I stayed at home, I think my body has been cleaned these days, it's full of energy! And I'm going to study in Portugal few weeks later. I'm happy! I finally escape from this terrible education system.

[@lke6231]

As if the American university system is any better. Students graduate with debt and the interest keeps them from gaining stability. Rich Chinese students come to the U.S because our universities are a walk in the park compare to Chinese universities.

[@silentgamer88]

I never really agreed with this kind of education system. I live in Malaysia. My earliest childhood memories were ever only filled with tuitions left and right, no play until you finish your homework, if you fail to memorise spellings you will be punished. Back then I never really thought much of it. But now that I’m in college, being exposed to a more western type of education system made me question this kind of practice. It never helpd me improve my academic. I was always dead last in class. All it ever did to me was lowering my self confidence and give me anxiety. I'm never going back to those times.

[@iamhardwell2844]

im pretty sure you are malaysian chinese

[@cherie4665]

Same here. I was at the top of my class but the pressure was the same. Everyone expected me to perform, perform, perform. None of the skills and knowledge I memorized in school was useful in life. Couldn't even remember it

[@frog6054]

Malaysian here as well, I ended up going to vocational college. Memorising the things that you don't give a f about for the sake of passing exams are no longer for me. F*k em.

[@bot7845]

Parents keep going on and on how good education is. Punishing u for performing bad. Always blaming us not the school. High school teach stuff we never use. Most ppl forget what they learn in high school in just 3 month. All u do is remember the formula. Teacher don’t even know what the subject they are teaching is for

[@minthechoco]

Malaysian here, maybe its depend on the parents or the school I guess?🤔 Because my high school years were pretty laid back and chill. Sure I have some tuition classes to prepare for SPM exam but not to the point sacrificing personal life and do not have room to growth some hobbies, spending time with friend or etc. Even my childhood memories were filled with playing bicycle while eating ice cream with friends after schooI in the evening. I admit that Malaysian education also have some downside but compare to education system in Korea and China, I prefer Malaysia. I see couple of videos on how the students prepared for Suneung and Gakao exam, bruhhh I cannot live like that and I don't even think my mental health can survive in that environment😅

[@dos1845]

"After all, what really matters to you and your child is what kind of a person they grow up to be". Hats off to you for this young lady💯

[@百分百-j8f]

“万事皆下品，唯有读书高”，这是中国贯彻了几百年甚至上千年的概念，现在社会也是如此，你考不到一个好大学你就找不到工作，在活不下去的情况下没有人会考虑长大后成为什么样的人。甚至我们现在学钢琴学画画学跳舞这些特长，很多人都是为了中考加的那30分罢了

[@burbahawa]

In Kenya, I experienced the same. The KCSE is the one exam that can make or break your life. I slept for 5 hours a day. Lessons from 5 am to 8 pm. It was stressful. The pressure from parents and society is sometimes too much. I am glad it is all gone

[@iwrotethis4712]

Not as much you making it sound like Its not like in China

[@M3ganwillslay]

After all that there is no guarantee of a job or even a good pay if you get a job .

[@burbahawa]

@@iwrotethis4712 I was in bording school since I was 11. Spent more than 10 months a year learning. U have no idea how the Kenyan Education system works

[@burbahawa]

@@M3ganwillslay no guarantee at all

[@M3ganwillslay]

@@burbahawa imagine our situation in India . 600000 graduates every year ... Our prime minister Modi says to go sell pakoras on the street ...since that is according to him , a "job"

[@Psychopathicmushroom]

17 yr old indian student here, It is so relatable from the parents to the school and calling the Suicidal teens 'weak' or even 'mad' because they couldn't handle the pain like many others "Everybody is doing these things, if they can't they are better off dead". I was and still am compared to my older cousin who was a straight A+ student and participated in all the co-curricular activities collecting certificates and trophies. I used to HATE her and hope i would become like her 'good at everything '. I used to pray to God why did you made me this way and stupid. School teachers were also not kind, I got scolded and shouted at by a female teacher in front of the whole class just because I was anxious reading aloudand couldn't pronounce a 'big word' thus couldn't read further. She called me a DUFFER! in 3rd grade. My chest pains whenever I recall all the faces that were on me some giggling and smiling. When I look at my 3rd grade photo I tear up. She didn't deserve to be scolded and scared for the rest of her life, she is so small and anxious about making friends she was trying her best, her big eyes and a sad smile doesn't suit her face. I have grown up and all is still the same but I know my parents only do this because this society tells them to "if your child doesn't act a specific way you should hit him/her". I didn't score well at an imp exam 69% and I was so sad but they distributed sweets among relatives and celebrated they were happy because I tried my hardest !?this reaction made me heartbroken cause I knew my potential and these marks were just 49% of that. Hehe I am going to give another more imp exam next Feb 2025, wish me luck! :)

[@Krise-g2k]

I feel u. For me i will be turning 17 2 month later. In my 14 and 15 i faced lots of struggle for anxiety. Dont give up girl. Study hard

[@shanghaidiscovery2664]

My sons were in Chinese public schools until 8th and 9th grade respectively. I am French and their mom and Chinese so we thought it was important they at least attended a few years of school in the local system. Until the 6th grade, the system does work and teaches them importance of hard work. now, as bi-cultural kids, they were actually considered foreigners which in a way lessened academic pressure but also caused resentment especially for my older son. From 6th grade onwards, the pressure becomes pointless and is made worse because teachers and schools are incentivized on class results. the worst of them will not hesitate to try and persuade weaker students to leave. Bullying by teachers can also occur. my youngest son went all the way to the zhongkao and got accepted into a top local high school but then asked if he could go to an international school. he went to a very selective one but probably has only half the workload of his former classmates. This 2021 reform only focused on alleviating some financial burden. what it didn't do is address some fundamental issues with the system: - Teachers are not incentivized to help weaker students - instead they push them out - Everything is based on 2 tests: one in grade 9 and one in grade 12. These tests are extremely hard but also very narrow and focus on rote learning but do not do enough to help kids develop analytical skills (even if that has improved a bit) - system should be reformed to take equivalent of GPA into account. this would ease a lot of the pressure - The last 5 years of high school are spent on passing 2 exams rather than help students grow There is a little that is learnt in those 5 years to help them transition to higher education. Yes most of them will have strong language and math skills. But a lot of it is mechanical. Some families were using tutors to develop the analytical side of things so at least the ministry should also have reformed part of the curriculum

[@lycan_system8427]

You married a Chinese while being French 😂😂 be honest you have at least 5 percent of Chinese ancestry

[@misacki1234]

Thanks for the well written insights 👍

[@Homer-OJ-Simpson]

They could also build more good quality universities so that you don’t have a large population of kids fighting for limited spots in universities.

[@shanghaidiscovery2664]

@@Homer-OJ-Simpson They have a lot of top universities but the issue is everyone wants to send their kids to the best one. this is the case in other countries but more so in East Asia. The real issue is to take the stigma out of vocational schools or training

[@Homer-OJ-Simpson]

@@shanghaidiscovery2664 they have a few top universities but millions applying. There aren’t enough good quality universities which is why each year hundreds or thousands go abroad and you can see Chinese at what are just decent western universities. If you look at the list of the top 100 universities in the US, you will see many Chinese even among the number 50-100 universities of that list

[@tingting9289]

I was born in China and left at the age of 5 to live in Australia. When I was 7, I went back to China for a few weeks, during which time I went to classes and cram school with my cousin. Having been in an English-speaking school for the last two years, my Mandarin reading and writing skills were poor compared with my peers. I remember getting beaten in class with a stick by a teacher for failing to memorise a poem that I couldn't even read! I'm glad to have done the rest of my education in Australia.

[@livori624]

Omg me too, I came to aus at 3 and went back at 10. I had no friends in the local school and did maths homework til midnight and my parents didn’t understand much because they think I remember China more than Australia. I was there for a year and I missed so much things in Australia like 5th grade where a lot of new students come. I’m back now and happier than ever, but my experience in China traumatised me.

[@johnsullivan8673]

@@livori624 Soft. Weak. Feeble.

[@elizabethwright5261]

I'm half Ukraine and I love Australia.

[@satriaamiluhur622]

This is what happens when parents and adults treat the children as investments, not actual human beings

[@Keepskatin]

Not just the parents it's the Chinese government and education system.

[@darkhorseman8263]

Its entrained Narcissism and Psychopathy. The genes involved with extreme competitiveness and financial risk taking, which the world considers 'successful business acumen' is actually linked to Narcissism and Psychopathy. Explains a lot about why the world is the way it is.

[@diatonicdelirium1743]

You are wrong: parents in China want the best for their children, but the competitiveness of the system forces this kind of gruesome schedule to keep up. Some kids are lucky and naturally talented, like my niece, so 'we' (the family) could afford to let her skip the excessive additional tutoring - but many are not so lucky. Parents don't see their kids as investments, it is the other way around as they genuinely invest in their children. You have no idea how much time, effort and money parents put in to make this all possible - they would not do this if it were not necessary to get the best possible future for the child.

[@Stocking_Knight]

@@diatonicdelirium1743 Yeah, well said.

[@TomNook.]

Not really. Chinese parents are the only parents who prep their kids for the real world for what it is - competitive, cruel and rough.

[@breadman32398]

Sad that they feel a hyper competitive college system is the only path to a successful career. Especially when you know 90% of these intensive subjects will never be used again outside of school. Seems like a waste of effort unless you're in the top 10%.

[@jonathanvillegas7570]

That's only true if you're not in STEM. What they were studying were mathematics and that's a subject that builds on itself year after year. You can go to the next art class or English class with low grades or non passing grades but you can't do the same in science and math because you wouldn't understand the fundamentals of the course. China is pumping out scientists and engineers in order to outperform the world and become #1. Also, in crowded systems , you want to use weeding out courses where people that aren't performing like the rest of the class are going to be removed so you can only keep the best. This happens in the US too since there are only enough limited seats in a graduate program . It is just on another level when their country is over a billion people.

[@samsonsoturian6013]

Worse than that, there's a list of common cheats mostly availableto people in high places, but that doesn't stop most Chinese parents from trading their child's happiness for the family's possible success.

[@samsonsoturian6013]

@@jonathanvillegas7570 except their engineers are subpar at best partially because they rely exclusively of rote memorization but also because the colleges are just the opposite and you can still pass even if you only show up to class half the time. Hense why they have lots of engineers capable of reverse engineering tech, but there's rarely anything new out of China.

[@ac1455]

@@samsonsoturian6013 Tbf, they’re not yet at the same development level as the US on a income per capita basis so it’d be less efficient to branch out in new fields unless it’s something like AI, since there would be less capital funding per citizen for new research. After all, if a countries’ life expectancy is 30, they should look into getting more doctors who don’t do research but study already known health practices to bring up life expectancy to 60-70 before pursuing research into curing Alzheimer’s.

[@jonathanvillegas7570]

@@samsonsoturian6013 I agree with you up to a point. Their older generation of engineers are really good at reverse engineering because China had to go through an industrial revolution and catch up technologically with the rest of the world after WW II. The only quick way to do that was to pump out scientists capable of stealing technology to modernize China. It worked very well too. All classes are rote memorization. Especially stuff like Bio. But for mathematics, you have to understand the concept, memorization isn't going to be enough past calculus. The video clearly shows them putting in the hours so I'll give those kids credit where credit is due. The government is pushing these kids in order to become an advanced nation. It's the same with South Korea. They have the best microchips in the world, even better than American ones because every kid studies hard to try to get a job working for Samsung or some automotive/tech company. They also have notorious cram schools like the ones shown here. That's where the stereotype that Asians are really smart and excel in school. It's not something genetic , they're being brought up like that with all the pressure in the world to succeed and get a good job. There are also plenty of new technologies and research coming out of China. You're just not being tuned into it because you're not active in research journals and databases. China has been very focused on robotics , drones , space and laser technology. They're just not interested in exporting a lot of that. China has made it clear that it is focused on a long term strategy to become the global leader and it understands how to get there.

[@MrRoque-pg3yr]

Let a kid be a kid. Education is important but not to the point where it affects their mental health.

[@hankgu1328]

all the politician and rich family want you to think that. son they can have their kids grow in privae school and work hard to gain position and wealth in future,

[@aek12]

These kids have to mentally strong. Survival of the fittest.

[@gibbishgiggles]

I wish there are more people like you

[@mujtabaalam5907]

@@hankgu1328 lol, politicians and rich kids go to elite private and international schools, where they spend time socializing, and networking - in other words, training for their future positions as leaders. An emotionally and socially stunted underclass focused only on doing tasks well is much easier for them to manage.

[@karebujo]

that's the happiest family i've seen in china. those children are so blessed to have a dad like that.

[@WebKidStudio]

I hold a Master's in Education, and I taught for 12 before starting online. I worked online at VIPKid for over three years. I loved my students and was well paid. After banning home-based tutoring, I started my own company, and continued to teach privately. The pay is better, but I also work much more, because my classes are more individually oriented, and I give kids fun homework. They love their classes. Also, I understand Chinese parents, and have great contact with them. I love teaching independently, and the results of my students are fantastic. I don't complain about waking up early (time difference Boston Beijing), and I smile a lot, but only because I have fun with my students. I am very proud of them.

[@nikolavojnovic6552]

Sounds wholesome! 👍

[@rachel_Cochran]

You sound like a bot

[@MrSupervillin]

I pushed my self to that level over and over. It ends in the hospital and borderline madness .

[@Colin12475]

School sucks.

[@Just_Anfisaaaaa]

I hope you are okay now

[@Stocking_Knight]

I'm 17 this year and am studying in an international high school in Shenzhen, China. I was in public school until high school; I'm grateful my parents provided me the opportunity to leave that stressful system. But I heard from my former classmates who are in the system that in recent years, the pressure on that system has been declining, but I can't be assured because I'm no longer in that system. Recalling my dark days in that system, I've always hated it because there was a lot of transcribing homework and memorizing poems and passages. When you fail to remember them, teachers will punish you by transcribing the poems and passages several times. I understand the reason why our government has such a system because we have such a vast population, and I do think it's relatively fair even though its fairness is declining, especially when this double reduction policy came down.

[@TomNook.]

Your English is fantastic!

[@texajp1946]

You are lucky to live in shenzen, one of the most promising cities in the most promising country, greater Bay Area will be awesome

[@mastersonogashira1796]

Hear hear, I’m glad you are making it

[@snipernosnipey8162]

If your english is this good and with that work ethic you will do good in America

[@user-fs6ss4cf2l]

@@chandsunil vpn probably

[@mrbyorself]

I've been an edtech consultant in Beijing for 7 years. I've also traveled to multiple provinces and smaller tier cities to evaluate and help schools. There are multiple compounding factors as to why education is so subpar yet expensive. The first and foremost factor I would note is the lack of public discourse. This permeates through every part of society, especially education. If you are discouraged or not allowed to question things and people around you, you end up missing a fundamental piece of being a good learner: inquiry and reflection. In education, this comes in the strict form of rote knowledge. Even in history class there's no critical thinking or reflection involved, it just becomes a bunch of facts to remember. The second factor of note is barriers of information. The public does not have (easy) access to a lot of internationally recognized academic content, and even if they did get access, they wouldn't be able to recognize it. On top of that, there are many misconceptions about education which are exaggerated by big businesses such as VIPKids who outright lie to parents about standards and expectations. This causes market distortion, and other smaller business simply pick a recognizable brand name (E.G. Wonders) and say that's their curriculum without any plan how to implement it. The third factor is incompetence born from lack of actionable knowledge. As stated in the first point, most of the population's education revolves around rote knowledge and discourages reflection. If you've been taught not to question things your whole life, how can you be expected to teach others with inquiry based experiences and methodologies? How can you be expected to recognize or create effective content to support those learning experiences? The result usually ends up being copy pasting something they found online that looks good (or fishing consultants like me for free content). The fourth factor is lack of foreign talent. There are not enough QUALIFIED teachers to meet demand. The general population would not be able to recognize one either. Many companies hire Russians, call them American, and slap a 200%+ markup on the course. It's up to the unqualified teacher to come up with the content, instruction, and meet the unrealistic expectations the "decision makers" (sales people) set for the parents. The final factor is who the decision makers are. Who decides what "national curriculum" is? Starting in 2020, private schools have been forced to throw out foreign curriculum and adopt the "national curriculum". This top-down decision making only exasperates the situation. It also permeates throughout the society. I've been the unfortunate soul who has to coordinate curriculum development projects with the decision makers of these schools. Most of these decision makers are unqualified, they're sales people at best. I should also mention that many parents have no clue about education, yet influence the schools with their misconceptions...but this is not the parents' fault. Rather, it's the school's fault for not being professional enough to know how to manage expectations and implement a program. As for price... it's simply about demand vs supply. Lack of foreign talent as mentioned before, combined with a desperate middle class (and higher) trying to get their children in schools abroad at any cost. They will pay upwards of 200k RMB just to make it happen for their little Middle Schooler. Unfortunately I exited the market, partially because the clients I had to deal with were frustratingly incompetent and unwilling to address problems...mostly because the government outright banned foreign curriculum.

[@Homer-OJ-Simpson]

The biggest issue is too many kids with very few spots in higher education They could build more good quality universities so that you don’t have a large population of kids fighting for limited spots in universities and thus putting extreme pressure on these tests

[@mrbyorself]

@@Homer-OJ-Simpson You're right, the competition is fierce and schools are overcrowded. As a matter of fact, many provinces discourage the half of the population that gets low scores from going to college. They end up in subpar trade schools at best. Very good point, thanks for that.

[@plato1771]

你的评论太好了！深有同感！我已经收藏你的评论了👍

[@whateverw7173]

Are you Chinese? Your article is very long for me.

[@mrbyorself]

@@plato1771 Thanks. It's frustrating, but I hope someday the situation improves.

[@Sanemm_]

something is seriously wrong w me because I had to actually look this vid up to motivate myself to study. I actually take things very far when I start studying for real,even my parents start worrying. It’s basically I go all or none. I put away my phone, set a timer and make sure I study real time for 14+ hours. I remember once I studied 14+ hours straight (absolutely real time I even counted seconds) for 2 months for my competitive exam (except on sundays test + 8 hours). Idk now I need motivation to study for my college exams & rest, so I hit the search bar, actually gave my time & scrolled through a bunch of vids to find this. All I want to say is do what works for you and not under any peer pressure, society or parent pressure. Just do it for you, everyone suffers from stress and bad days at some points in life but you don’t have to throw away your life just because you don’t wanna inconvenience yourself as you can’t handle pressure for some period of time. Just think about it, it might actually change your life for better!

[@taylortaylor5854]

I wanted to make my parents happy having good grades, now i'm a depressed adult, who isolate when things go diferent what i planned. I hate my carrer, and i hate priorazing my parents happiness instead of mine

[@bruhteg]

TIME TO HIT DA GYM DUD!!!!!

[@Melanin.aveeee]

Sending you love! I hope one day you can find happiness within your own desires

[@ncs9753]

@@bruhteg Idk why people keep perpetuating this myth. If gyms can cure depression, then governments would just outlaw drugs and all those treatments used to cure depression and doctors would prescribe "just go to the gym" to people with depressive disorders. I wish all these people making light of mental illnesses get to experience it themselves first hand so they will learn.

[@bruhteg]

@@ncs9753 it proved that sport can cure or may help someone with deperrsion

[@melelconquistador]

Go to gym and build your self up brother.

[@user-polaris684]

I used to be a Chinese student, I can tell you the pressure is only rising not declining. Students there are like slaves that is forced to learn, they don't have privacy, they can't express their emotion, they are basically like machines. Studying until 1pm are normal expectation, some extreme cases even lead to studying the whole night, some student die because of this. I am lucky that I am no longer do that

[@trevorphillips8000]

I was a Chinese student, I can make sure, these "double reduction" policies are completely fooling the leaders of the upper education bureau. When they come to inspect, the school will disguise various schedules as approved by the government, and let the students answer the leaders' questions according to the requirements of the school. And there has never been a student revolt. Everyone is used to obeying the school's arrangements like this. In contemporary China, families pay the most for their children’s food and clothing, not food and clothing, but education. They enroll in various cram schools so that their children will not be left behind in the class and get a result that satisfies their parents. Not resolved. When I was in school, I never slept for more than eight hours a day. After all, it is impossible to finish a large amount of homework at nine o'clock in the evening, and I have to get up at early six o'clock in the morning. will be earlier. I was really tired of the education system like this, so my parents chose to let me study abroad.

[@candle-x8e]

你是如何学习英语的

[@paulchang2455]

what more ridiculous is you even get called nerd that know how to do questions only and tell you don't pick the job when graduated.

[@百分百-j8f]

好羡慕，我同桌以后也会留学，但是我不可以，因为我家没有那么有钱，上学真的好累

[@Dawgfr543]

​@@百分百-j8fgood lucky my friend

[@paulchang2455]

@@百分百-j8f 别想了，村里发金子了

[@wongasta]

When I moved from Asia to Texas and started my math classes, I thought I got placed in special ed program so my parents and I went to the school to make sure I’m not classified as mentally challenged in American school system.

[@TeflonDon451]

Was the school system that easy?

[@onlineempire4204]

World education system are American based. Not china 🇺🇲

[@wongasta]

@@onlineempire4204 Yea that's why I thought I was in special ed thanks to American based education system.

[@kulera]

So what did you do when they told you that you are mentally challenged?

[@millevenon5853]

You shoukd go back

[@Did-U-Notice_What.I.GazeAt]

Education has become competitive for parents, to make their children worthy in this world to competent other for their future, It's not only happening in China in other fast growing cities. It's better to divide studies according to grade , rather pressure the kid at early age......nowadays parents are feeding kids with vitamins and many nutrients to improve their brain function, but they didn't think the world most top renowned scientists never had this facilities.

[@cptrelentless80085]

Taking vitamin supplements just gives your child expensive piss

[@Hoffy478]

And most renowned scientists before the 20th century doesn't need a computer!

[@wolfensniper4012]

Then it become a system that the good occupations are only for people who have talents, the rest become “leftovers” due to their bad grades. A common Chinese belief is that if you become blue-collar, well you're screwd and you're a loser of the system, especially when in reality the Chinese worker rights are a joke and worse than the Western countries. No one wants to be eliminated early.

[@ing9881]

在中国 大家都要学习英语 但大家根本用不到 中共强迫我们学英语 我长这么大都没和外国人用英语交流过

[@hudr1956]

@@ing9881 赞同啊哥哥

[@Nataliatg89PW]

If getting little sleep and making your whole life school is the norm, then the norm is fucked up.

[@akiba9826]

The problem I have with those overly stressful education systems is that I wonder if they actually work and if the students learn effectively through them. What I learned through self-defense practice, and military documentaries is that stress and anxiety seem to decrease your ability to focus, and are not an effective way to learn. In self-defense, instructors increase stress by making you do cardio-based exercises to make your body artificially feel stress (accelerated heartbeat, difficulty to breath, difficulty to focus) only to test your ability to reproduce the technique properly when your focus is the least optimal, but they don't do it for learning purposes. The military seems to do it too in their own way. I would also point out that every doctor in the world (with common sense) would tell you that there is a considerable difference between the way we think we perform under fatigue and the way we actually perform under fatigue. It's funny how the little girl in the video who had an allegedly stress-free education in kindergarten was able to catch up with her classmates in a few months. I wonder how the students who went through this type of education system would perform against students from other countries. Here, in France, we don't have that type of education system, nor in the United Kingdom (I studied for 2 years at a British university).

[@701delbronx8]

All these Non-Western countries see education as a kind of cargo cult. They see American and European economies and culture as successful and try to mimic our upbringings to replicate our success. Like they even do this with sports yet they fail to understand you can’t manufacture genius in a factory lol, if anything genius is hated by popular society.

[@tcrwn4350]

Majority of universities in The U.K. don’t accept gaokao, not because it’s not good enough, because it doesn’t really test you on your knowledge of subjects.

[@Smiley_Face0]

I would really like to know that too. I have no idea about how a good school should look like but this seems totally absurd to me. I'm a huge fan of studying but It looks like the schools is trying to stop students from learning anything lol

[@suzannadraws1178]

It was never about learning, but more about pure competition, cuz there's not enough place for everyone to be in the university, so people are forced to do this to survive and get a minimum wage job ( in which often a college degree is the prerequsite)

[@z7z766]

@@tcrwn4350 so what is this test really about?

[@pikachuthunderbolt3919]

It's actually same in most Asian countries that u won't have any life in your last two years of high school . High school period is only dedicated to get good college in future .

[@IvyWang-ig4os]

I used to be one of those guys,but finally I chose to continue my studies abroad to maintain both mental and physical health 💀

[@JalomMatia]

you are fortunate; most average Chinese will never have that opportunity.

[@mancavestudios8955]

The most unfortunate thing would have to be the lack of a chance for these kids to decide what 'better' is for themselves.

[@TheGercek53]

Kids decide whats better for them selfs???

[@RANDINTMCR3U3]

I am a Chinese Canadian who grew up in and attended Grade 1-6 in China. My parents pulled me out of China a month before the middle school entrance exams were to take place. At that time, I was able to feel the pressure that was put on students--that they have to attend a good middle school and good high school (they either get good grades to get in or their parents buy them into the middle and high schools). When I was in China, my classmates were having lots of extracurricular activities, but for me, I only learned how to play the piano. Gaokao is something that really just creates unnecessary stress amongst teenagers. Essentially, someone's entire future is based on this one test that lasts 3 days (June 7, 8 and 9)--so the latest session of Gaokao ended only a few days ago. The thing is, when you have only this one single exam to determine someone's entire future, even though there is a way to repeat the exam the year afterwards, it is still too much pressure on a person and it is highly counterproductive to anyone who deviates from the norm (for example, someone who is disabled in some ways but could otherwise perform just as well academically if they are given some help).

[@loganmiller6879]

and yet, nobody wants to change the system.

[@NazriB]

Lies again? Help Company Higher Chinese

[@williamzhang-ml5py]

most of the Chinese student feel stressful or even overwhelmed by the competitive pressure exerted on them, you could see a lot complaining in bilibili, but no one knows the root of the problem, about why they must be ranked by grades on their exam paper, and even someone known the problem, can't do anything about that😭

[@williamzhang-ml5py]

@NazriB sorry to tell you, all of them are true, although lack a lot of details

[@ranjitpelia3267]

Sadly, these children are not taught to be themselves, have creative mindsets, and end up lacking qualities to become a well-rounded individual. Memorizing everything doesn't make you smart or intelligent, just disciplined.

[@huas5350]

LMAO

[@offchance789]

China is the best copier in the world, taking what already exists and improving it. But you will never seen inventions emerging out of China.

[@TomNook.]

You should do some googling, China led the world in patents for the past few years

[@texajp1946]

offchance common racist trope, cope

[@manicpepsicola3431]

@@УоЦ-д5я it's not though have you not been paying attention 💀

[@teelzz]

crazy how intense it is for a chinese student to live

[@yunyanli5885]

Korean even worse!

[@youngz13o]

Kids studying in school. Yea crazy right? I like our system where in the US, rich kids just buy their way into elite schools

[@aryafalahati5975]

Basically Asia. Like iran. Studying from 6 im the morning to 12 in the night for a year

[@jkr648]

​@@youngz13oit has its limit

[@Randze]

@@youngz13o very easy to say when you probably drop out of 5th grade sitting in your home right now

[@SCL111]

My Asian parents pushed the academic route on me and my siblings. It was the typical you must study hard, otherwise you'll end up sweeping the floor as a cleaner type thing. Me and my older sister did alright, but my brother was never very good at studying. When you are not good at doing the only thing that you are being told or encourage to do for your entire life, you'll feel like a failure, have low self-esteem, and start to distance yourself from others who you perceive as doing better than you. Anyway, my brother was studying civil engineering (a 4 years degree) for 6-8 years because he kept failing. Eventually he got suspended by the university and his student visa was revoked. So let kids follow their passion and figure out their interest. You don't have to go to university to be successful.

[@josueaburto984]

Hi

[@josueaburto984]

I have autism for real this time

[@josueaburto984]

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[@josueaburto984]

For real this time

[@支敬博臭人机支敬博臭]

我是一个中国人，在中国什么都好，但教育方面很欠缺，父母对孩子要求很高，大多数都是见不得孩子犯错，在中国家长眼里必须是完美的。我现在压力很大，我承受了我14岁不应该承受的压力I am a native of China. I am good at everything in China, but I am short of education. Parents have high demands on their children. Most of them can't see their children making mistakes, and they must be perfect in the eyes of parents in China. I'm under a lot of pressure now. I'm under pressure that I shouldn't have when I was 14.😢😢

[@Abingdontortoise]

I am 18 y/o Indian student..I hope u are doing well . We have the same situation here in India ..let's hope for a better future and I wish u good luck 🤞

[@黄梓轩-r7j]

As a graduate from Hengshui, I have experienced an absolutely complete and authentic Hengshui education, and perhaps have the most say in Hengshui education. I admit that being born in Hebei and being in Hengshui is my luck. As a native of Hebei, I deeply understand that Hengshui education in China has given me a future, but the damage it has caused me is also incalculable. It was not until I entered university and deeply recalled that time that I realized very clearly that Hengshui education is based on suppressing human nature. We wake up at 5:30 to read and go to bed at 11:30, with no more than 120 minutes of rest during this period, and even one day off a week. This cannot be considered education at all. It is simply a cancer in the history of human education. However, in such an environment, we have no choice, and even watching KZbin is not allowed. Resistance is destruction. Although I was admitted to a decent university, it may take ten, twenty, or even a lifetime for me to heal the trauma caused by Hengshui education

[@SpinningTurtle66]

From my own personal experience, Asian students, especially those from South East Asian countries like Korea, China and Japan, are some of the best students in the classroom. The cost of this seems to be that they have to suffer under these extremely stressful school system that suck out the interesting aspects of learning and pretty much take away your childhood because academic success comes before developing as a person. I feel pretty certain that in the Chinese sink-or-swim system, I’d probably be relegated to a low-paying, unambiguous job before I even reached university. Some people need time to grow, and determining someone’s life path when they haven’t even left their teenage years is a horrifying concept to me. The Western system isn’t anywhere close to being perfect, it at least leaves some room for children to actually develop other facets of who they are, outside of their capacity to memorise facts and succeed academically

[@Deepak_Dhakad]

Indians solving advance engineering mathematics in High school to clear engineering college entrance exams. No country have such compitition like india. I'm preparing for indian Civil service exam it's toughest compitation exam , only 0.1-0.3% people clears it.

[@z7z766]

@@Deepak_Dhakad 😂

[@sounakchakraboty9700]

​@@Deepak_Dhakadgo see.the.gaokao paper it's Harder than jee advanced and 1 crore people give gaokao every year

[@louieb.726]

the countries you listed are just east asian, not south east

[@SpinningTurtle66]

@@louieb.726 My bad, I meant East Asian

[@thegeckoescom]

I notice something similar in a Vietnamese educational system. The high schoolers also have to take a national exam here and prepare quite in advance for that. I spoke to some of my high school students about that and understood that they usually face the most pressure from their parents. Teachers also might be strict, however, some of parents are quite anxious and put their children into pressure that they have to get the best scores in these exams. It also takes place because of the hierarchy system, which is quite common in Asia.

[@luxuryspot1261]

it happens in almost every country where people are from poor family and their families have a lot of expectations from the student so. i had also feel the same pressure once and then quit not because of the exam but the condition of my family and the position i am in so life goes on.

[@omoomo8701]

Agree,furthurmore I wanna to say that these guys just cannot fulfill their needs because in the beginning what they chose is just a kind of imagination.Someone who do strong enough won't rely on any promise that designed by someone who don't want to share benifit with.

[@李征程]

I experienced the same education process at China, so what? “If a child doesn't learn something in childhood, He will lose his ability when aged.” When I got my undergraduate education at US, we had all kinds of papers, exams and projects. Without high pressure, how could you have your academic achievement? The most important thing is to teach the students methodology and give them a full picture of the knowledge they study. They have to gather all the knowledge fragments and connects these fragments into a full picture. If you are not genius, at least you should be hardworking. Without tears at childhood, you will have tears at adulthood.

[@squid5882]

Beautiful comment❤

[@ska66i6al]

I went to an affluent boarding school that just so happened to have ~100 Chinese exchange students living on campus. These kids forced themselves into the same routines, even being away from their parents and country. Constantly studying, rarely socializing... absolute robots.

[@canesugar911]

@@fortamx happiness according to whose standards?

[@ska66i6al]

@@canesugar911 standards of those who aren't oppressed.

[@nehcooahnait7827]

Ah yes, “the Chinese are mindless bot” talk. Let the dehumanization process begin in yet another internet talk about the Chinese. “The Chinese”, not the Chinese students, or the Chinese people, but “the Chinese”, the buzzword for anything that bad or bot. What a cliche portraying Chinese people as mindless robots

[@Bucketheadhead]

@@nehcooahnait7827 OP didn’t say “the chinese”. You did. They said “Chinese exchange students”.

[@busjd8066]

​@@Bucketheadhead I was a student study in Hong Kong. The education system was bit less pressure than the mainland china ones but it still share quite similar reasons on why the kids have to be so hardworking. It always related to the very high competitive education system and the less opportunities that given to those who fall behind these education system. As I grow old from primary to secondary, I see myself facing high pressure, not only because of the education system but also the of the academic systems that only leave me one way to survive on the society - is to study and study. Each year, there are always some students suicide for vary reasons but there's a lot part, that leads to them to die is because the environment gave them no choices to be away from this system. And unfortunately, as I grew older, the news about primary kids crying for wanna stop this "hell" education, is spreading among the youth- even those a just kids. I remembered I heard a new that there is a form 6 boy, jump of the window and die because of he don't want to live like what he used to be in the secondary school, to continued be in the same environment, of this "hell". And when i read the comment of the exchange students living in campus and continuing in the same routine. I guess is because there's a fear that, what we used to be, the only way to survive is to keep on moving to be no.1. . Somebody keeps that routine is to treasure the moment you are out there being free from high competitive environment; and what is more, we use to be in a place of living in a deep feared. When you fall behind, god knows how terrible your destiny can be. That's why the they have to be a robot, in order to gain a tiny place to survive.

[@sraddhahati2601]

I guess in Asia, its everywhere the same case. I am an Indian student, currently preparing for JEE exam, which is similar to Gaokao from China. The level of competition and specially the parent's level of anxiety and practice to burden their child remains constant.

[@vincentxie3090]

In China students were force to do a lot homework and they reduce the most amount of time depending on the time they finished class but the life they provide is difficult learning other important stuff to be encourage by understanding their education.

[@tunisiakid1359]

In Tunisia, Its the same thing, we pass 34 exams in 2 months and in 6th grade and 9th grade there is an exam called "Concours" if you passed you are garanted acces to the higher education schools. our society is divided and this exam made it even worst, split us kids into the smart and the donkeys but these weren't that important as the "Bac" This exam will determine your future , you can be a straight A student, and fall sick a couple of days before the exam and you get bad grades, your done for it , your future and the 13 years of hard work are down the drain . the amout of private tutoring is insane and the money spent too . and the exam itself is hard as a rock and the pressure of parents too . this is the nightmare of every teenager , some resort to cheating, in my state alone 7000 candidates were caught cheating . even if you pass you need atleast a 17/20 to become a doctor a 15/20 to become a nurse , that isn't easy to get as most of the candidates usually pass with a 12/20 or a 10/12 . one word to describe it HELL !

[@ItsJoKeZ]

why isn't this on vice asia as well 😮‍💨 how do your channels work man

[@TheMedicatedArtist]

Diamonds form under pressure, but yeast rises when you let it rest.

[@laertesdd]

Just imagine all the wonderful things you could make out of that yeast... ...bred, beer, wine, kefir, kombucha - just to name a few. A diamond on the other hand, well, it looks nice.

[@Charlie-phlezk]

I taught in China for 7 years. This video hits different.

[@LordFuzzandBeak]

Please elaborate, interested.

[@Charlie-phlezk]

I never gave them homework, never added to their stress. But I did see how hard it wars for them, yeah.

[@J_X999]

​@@Charlie-phlezk Do you think there will be more crackdowns in the future? Chinese education hasn't immediately changed and if the CCP wants lower costs for raising kids, more is required.

[@adityasinghjadoun6675]

As an Indian student preparing for JEE I can feel their pain

[@ry2upsc]

As an Indian preparing for UPSC , I can feel both of your pains together

[@sohini26]

As an Indian preparing for NEET, I can also feel both of you and their pain.

[@adityasinghjadoun6675]

@@sohini26 kitne attempt de diye?

[@sohini26]

@@adityasinghjadoun6675 It's my 1st drop.

[@freexboz7048]

what is the JEE?

[@MW-xx4cc]

Poor kids. I look at my 6 and 8 year old boys here in New Zealand, when they come home from school at 3pm, they spend their arvos running around outside, getting dirty, climbing trees or splashing in the lake.

[@CharlieCharlie88]

Lucky for them to be born into a developed country. But that’s not the norm for most people around the globe. Most of us have to try extremely hard to work our way up. You sound so privileged.

[@youthinasia4103]

Damn as an American Iv always been blown away by the work ethic of Asian people n had it easy growing up in an upper middle class in Kansas. I did ok in school but never really applied myself like I should have n I see these kids working so damn hard n all that their families will sacrifice for the future of their children it’s really touching! I always tell my neices n nephews to work hard and study now so your future will be better than mine! It’s over rated going out n partying every weekend it gets old quick n nothing good happens after midnight (dad always said that lol). Work hard early on so later you can reap the benefits of your previous hard work!

[@temporarilyvanishing796]

I don't see what you can reap if you waste your developing years memorizing things.

[@youthinasia4103]

@@temporarilyvanishing796 like memorizing events n places instead of actively learning or what, I’m not sure I understand your comment.

[@temporarilyvanishing796]

@@youthinasia4103 I'm saying that Asian education is based on memorizing information, and not actually learning it. Events and places are simple locations, if they're worth remembering one will remember it, not forcefully memorize it. On the other hand school subjects are mostly sciences which you're just being exposed to, and without ever using these sciences in your life it's hard to memorize them, and when you only memorize these sciences you can't put them into practice or theory.

[@youthinasia4103]

@@temporarilyvanishing796 ah I understand, yes I agree if your just forced to remember dates n events your not really learning how n why they happened in the first place n how they interact with the rest of the world. It is incredible the stress put into the poor young folks in those communities unfortunately just to get into a prestigious school n further themselves n possibly rise in social class. No wonder why there is such mass suicide problems over there, n also lack in mental health care too! It’s fascinating to see parents sell all their possessions to put a child through school just in the hopes to better their future, it’s really something. I can attest to the memorizing of dates n events in the States n then there are things I learned that I’ll never use, they ought to offer classes on finance n trade professions. How to balance a budget n diversification of income!

[@temporarilyvanishing796]

@@youthinasia4103 While it is beneficiary that Asian students can secure a good future this way, they usually end up spending the first 25 years of their life preparing for this future and missing out on anything that'll help them develop their own talents and merits. I have made a good future for myself getting into a good university, but I feel like I've missed out on the best times of my life, after that I'll have to work 10 hours a day, and when I have children they'll have to go through the same things. It makes you wonder if it's really worth it.

[@blueischiii1575]

I feel so bad for the students in China. In America I thought school was stressful, but this is just something else.

[@TennisGvy]

The policies aim to reduce stress on the young, to improve birthrates, but inadvertently raise inequality since those with money can still buy personal tutors. So essentially, this might improve the demographic issue, but will also push China into the middle income trap that they've been desperate to avoid. Kind of a catch-22.

[@海人-n4t]

I don't know if personal tutors actually are a substantial factor like with the Korean students. The reason is Chinese students have an early self-study period in the mornings from 6 - 7 or 8 before classes begin and classes officially end at around 5 - 6 before dinner. They then return for a self-study session until 9 I believe. If there is any extra tutors, I guess they may only around 1 or maybe 2 hours, but that is only if they finish their homework in the self-study session in the first place. It may not seem like Chinese students developed actual problem solving abilities like many others claim on the internet off of a system of memorization, but I remind you that is mostly for Biology, chemistry, Chinese language, and a few other courses. Courses like mathematics and physics do actually grant a considerable advantage compared to Western students. Early nurturing from youth, if you may say, actually worked. My classmate who is an international student from China began training for math competitions since grade 4 and his friend around the same time in competitive programming/algorithmic computer science. He genuinely loves what he does and he did get a decent grade during the middle school exams so he did manage to enter one of the elite middle schools. There, I guess you can say it was like a GATE program, the students basically all excelled. The system does focus on memorization yes, but is it truely most of it? No. Albeit even if you didn't develop actual problem solving skills, if you managed to walk through that education system, it will make you stronger for the rest of your life at the cost of your early youth. That is if you didn't mind and truly loved studying. As with the middle income trap, I wouldn't retort to that, there are rather ambivalent opinions on that matter. Personal tutors are widely available and their prices are much more affordable than you would consider them, the majority of the middle class can easily afford private tutoring much less group tutoring. It is not as expensive as you would consider it to be, so the majority of the middle class can afford it. As for the much more poor middle class, not so much, but it would be far from creating a wealth disparity based on the ability to purchase and pay for education. There are much more pressing issue such as housing. The pressure really mounts in the 3rd year of high school. Before that in grade 10 or 11, 8 hours of sleep no problem, maybe even free time on the weekends. Once they hit 12? Oh my, the only free time you get is during sleep, eating a meal, or during break. And I'd say sleep probably would average around 6 hours or below.

[@Hi-pn9fg]

the cost is depression, anxiety and one hell of an ability to manage your schedule

[@Hi-pn9fg]

also why are there so many shots on the hand movements XD

[@thatonellamawhoissoobsesse8138]

​@@Hi-pn9fgThe hand shots emphasize always having to be busy

[@ranjapi693]

They got the highest suicide rates..

[@Tammissa]

And I wonder why suicide is so common with young people in Asian countries. It’s sad.

[@TomNook.]

The real world isn't based on rote, it's based on projects. If China switched to project learning (like in Nordic nations), they will truly rule the world

[@raisak9482]

As someone that’s worked in a project based field for 10 years, I wish I can upvote this 100x.

[@jonathanbayley1551]

Project learning isn't a good way to learn, but it is a good way to extend knowledge through application. Projects should be used for mastery of knowledge (and socialisation if done in groups), not in the initial knowledge acquisition phase.

[@ncs9753]

@@jonathanbayley1551 Yep, you need to learn the fundamentals to even be able to contribute in a project. If you don't know anything about chemistry and you are thrown into a chemistry research project then wtf can you even contribute?

[@nehcooahnait7827]

Lol China will probably do that if you are willing to donate your entire country’s GDP very year as China’s education budget for “project learning”. China’s education system is literally at the “building more school buildings and classrooms” and train more school teachers phase.

[@pemifo260]

@@ncs9753 I agree on the both sides. Basics should be learned and after that knowledge needs to be extended.

[@RJ-mh3ox]

Swear you don’t usually need tutors if you have the right teachers without huge classes

[@CL-cl4gf]

These poor babies 🤦🏾‍♀️ then I remember our babies here in America dodging bullets from the out of control gun violence 🤷🏾‍♀️

[@Homer-OJ-Simpson]

The biggest issue is too many kids with very few spots in higher education They could build more good quality universities so that you don’t have a large population of kids fighting for limited spots in universities and thus putting extreme pressure on these tests

[@Homer-OJ-Simpson]

@Sophie S they do not have enough good unis if a massive number of Chinese are deciding to go overseas instead of going to a university in China that isn’t the top level.

[@shirley444]

@Sophie S tbh that’s the problem in America too. Employers would take someone who barely graduated from Harvard on time with low grades then some the valedictorian from an middle ranked school.

[@黄鑫涛-x3q]

@@shirley444 I have a question. If I were in the United States, would it be difficult to get into MIT

[@btsmochimi7924]

Agree

[@百分百-j8f]

不是想建就能建的，一来成本很高，而且我们没有那么多好老师，二来现在的问题是大学生太多了，人人都想坐办公室，没有人去搬砖，政府就是缺搬砖的人，所以不可能建更多的大学，不如提高劳动人民的待遇

[@abeliever7029]

Such pressure upon the shoulders of these young people. Is wrong on so many levels. I shudder to think, what life is like for these children!!!!

[@AbdoAzeez-tq9hv]

This is so sad, man. I feel so bad for them. And now I know why they're one of the most hard working countries of all time.

[@vincentxie3090]

Just because China have a 10 hours school then anywhere else in the world.

[@larrygonzalez3903]

The education system doesn't care about your kids. Parents need to stop overworking their kids.

[@mo_7199]

I’m a high school senior in the US who’s taking all AP classes, which are the highest level classes offered at most high schools. I don’t have nearly as much stress as the average student in China and I probably spend half the time that the average student does on studying and school.

[@Ariel271]

Same but with IB

[@arijeanz]

some people will defend systems like these in china, korea, and japan, saying, "but they have some of the highest ranks in the world!" they literally live and breathe school. the "good" ranking spots are not a result of how engaging the method is, like with finland, but because students have no other choice but to do well. their lives revolve around it.

[@loganmiller6879]

I hate the system. Too many idiots in China defending it.

[@avrel306]

They’re like robots working till they die. This is ridiculous, i mean i know most of us hate school because of stress, or maybe even bullies, social anxiety, etc, but this is worst.. This is literal torture physically and mentally.

[@MissKealoha]

Sometimes the price of education in China is death by suicide. #Tuidang

[@hankgu1328]

lol in usa the price would shoot by some psychos

[@lexixia7498]

Personally, as a child who grew up in China and had experienced the system in the past, I don't hate the system, I am actually very grateful for having several years soaking knowledge like a sponge. Such a system can ensure equality at large because all students across the country study the same curriculum, unlike in some western countries is always the wealthier kids get better education resources in private schools. (I actually spent 1.5 years in a Chinese high school and the rest in a very good American k-12 private school, so I do have experience with both systems) Another noteworthy fact is that the Chinese standard curriculum gives Chinese kids strong math and science background, the same as in India, which explains why in tech companies and universities you've always seen Chinese and Indians doing all the STEM research and jobs. I am lucky to be trained to do math and physics and chemistry at a young age and now I can get 4.0 in my Math and Computer Science class and even literature or drama class at my American University without too much time commitment. I am studying efficiently, largely due to how my IQ got boosted at an early age doing all the maths.

[@nikolavojnovic6552]

Which city are you from?

[@zikraajyaz9367]

Can you tell me which class did u prepare from big University in china

[@kittycatgirl1139]

What was the curriculum like?

[@ry2upsc]

Chinese And Indians are quite same in this.We study more to improve our social status.Due to large population and limited jobs makes the competition tougher in both countries. 😅😅😅

[@bryanfuentes1452]

I kept hearing americans sayings Asian are not developing critical thinking lol....they are obviously insecured people

[@brenokaua7343]

Here in the Brazil much students no if import wich studies it is very negative because education is important ,the parents also no help, but in this countrys in that education is so important that many parents put enormous pressure in students also is much bad because balance is important

[@casual-kn6eu]

The education system in China is very strict, and some people may even tell you that if you don't study hard, you will be abandoned by society. Chinese parents also attach great importance to education. Chinese parents believe that hobbies can affect their studies. Studying hard is something that Chinese children must do after birth. Even if you get beaten due to poor grades, people will still consider it normal. In China, learning seems to be more important than life

[@AB_AB]

Y'all literally just did a "Chinese education is so rigorous... but at what cost?"

[@nehcooahnait7827]

They prefer China to have no education at all so that they can step China under their feet while feeling superior the western superiority like the good old colonial days 😌

[@Homer-OJ-Simpson]

@@nehcooahnait7827 ha, I knew it!! Of course your a Vumao. No wonder you won’t be specific about what I said that was wrong. Hey, what’s going on in Xinjiang?? Are you allowed to admit a Gen is going on?

[@Homer-OJ-Simpson]

@@nehcooahnait7827 五毛

[@Vici-8964]

Not long ago, I left my high school and was preparing to study abroad. Before I was preparing to go abroad, a classmate in my high school class died suddenly. The school suppressed this matter. I remember that student had dated me before his death. When his mother seeing his body,it already cold

[@kiron7936]

As a Chinese high school student, I can feel that this education style is bad. But I can't tell you why. I think our education can be better, but I can't tell you how.

[@shrekkosswampinar7088]

What's the point of getting education, good job and being succesful in life if you lose your sanity and all hapiness along the way. I thank God that I was born in Europe. My life isn't perfect, I'm pretty much ordinary guy but I would never exchange my life with someone else

[@Jack-dv2vp]

The Chinese believe that knowledge changes destiny. I paid almost no tuition fees from primary school to university in China, and there are additional state subsidies for graduate students, which made me from a peasant family to a middle class (a farmer with only 4 acres of land, and the people in the village are very poor), Chinese Education is the most equitable education in the world. Because it is too fair, many rich people send their children to study in European and American countries for high school entrance exams. This is because there is no shortcut to get into a good university in China, but only by test scores. Neither extracurricular activities nor social practice have any bonus points, which prevents the wealthy from participating in high-quality social practice in large numbers to earn more points. In fact, Chinese manual workers now earn more than most college students, but everyone just wants to sit in an office. In the future, China may introduce foreign workers.

[@pemifo260]

As you can see this guy is a walking CCP propaganda...

[@eddie47523]

No shortcut to get into a good university in China? You sure you live in China? How do you explain why Chairman Xi, who only have elementary school degree before college and have a criminal record for trying to escape the countryside, can get into Tsinghua instead of other people who had normal family but are better than him than? We all know that is because his daddy and daddy's friend is in a very high position, so Tsinghua give him a shortcut to the school. And manual workers now earn more than most of college students? Isn't that because most of college students can't even find a job that suit their profession and don't try to use them as free labor? Of course they don't want to do manual job, they want a job that can actually paid back their familly cost for them to get into a college. If you have zero cost on passing through this whole education system, there is only two possibility. One, you are the 1% of the 1%(I may underestimate you in this one, but, nah, don't want to do the math.), they beg you to get into their school. Two, your secret daddy is an government officer, not big enough to get you out of China, but he is big enough to let college kneel before him. Knowledge changes destiny, yes, the knowledge of how to escape this never ending hell to other country with your family do change destiny.

[@xuhu2113]

@@eddie47523 Nonsense, I am100 percent of Chinese. Our colleage entrance examination is fair to a large extent compared to the other countries like US or European countries which offer different education to people in different classes that is quite unfair. Even though they got into colleage, a great deal of school fees is waiting for them which are not affordable for common students. How can you expect the extreme fair ?

[@eddie47523]

@@xuhu2113 Fair is just a joke when government officials' kid involved. Didn't get a good grade on entrance exam? Don't worry, the name on the paper of 1st grade is now yours. No one dare to question it since it is done by a official. and college fee? sure, but you probably forget those bunch skill you need to learn from learning school, the house you need to buy for even allow to send the resume to the better elementary school. Do I have to remind you how heavy your country's housing loan is? the majority reason of why Chinese family has financial problem. You don't even get the house after loan applied, since you somehow need to pay the payment before the house even start building. Every Chinese who say thier education price low is just a joke, you just never ask how much your parent spend on your education.

[@johnsullivan8673]

@@eddie47523 You don't know wtf you're talking about.

[@catmeme6380]

every day i feel bad about how crazy my education is in the United States; prepping for the sats and my final exams and APs and acts, I remember this video and the comments under it and i feel truely lucky that i’m not stressing this badly. i still stay up late (~12:15 - 6:30) but i always have free time, and i’m truely happy for that. it sucks that there are people my age worrying so much about an exam that’ll make or break their entire life

[@juntaoyang-1128]

you are so lucky as an American student. I'm a Chinese student, Even I graduated for several years. I still remember the bad times in high school

[@A.I.V.A.]

There is an Indian Legend Teacher and a great Mentor said that spend your days according to this rule ( 8+8+8 ) this rule says that give your 8 hours for your sleep and another 8 hours for your study time and last 8 hours for your hobbies( dancing, singing, sports, Esports etc. ) and skills developing like ( coding, communication skills, business related skills, job related skills, video or graphics editing for now I don't remember more skills but I assure you that apply this rule on your life this works very well and Remember - To do something is better than to do nothing.

[@A.I.V.A.]

There is some addons in it that this is applicable for all humans of earth not only India and yeah there are some adjustments according to their comforts like for few peoples there is work in replace of study or family time or overtime works sometimes in replace of hobbies and there is some up and down hours in sleeping but 5 hours sleep is mandatory for your good health and brain.

[@thatonellamawhoissoobsesse8138]

​@@A.I.V.A.It's sadly 6 hours or more if you include physical labor recovery Which can also be swayed by the body's needs (or else future pain is more likely)

[@Hsiyung-w6t]

Now that I am a graduate student, I spent both my high school and high school years in Chinese public schools. It was a stressful time, but luckily I had the opportunity to go to a better university.

[@vidananovazelandia]

they they graduate and cannot find a job in china.

[@Mr88ssss]

Lucky not born in China. Feeling sad for these kids. Our whole world needs more humanity now more than ever. We humans are becoming machines.

[@xuanyi8682]

Irrespective of all the disadvantages of education system in China, college entrance exam is a still relatively fair game to move your entire family class up. After all, not everyone is able to afford private school 🏫

[@historyrepeat402]

I think that is the point. Not everyone can afford private school therefore those who can have a higher chance of scoring better on the exam, decreasing the chance of scoring out of your social class .

[@fionaxu977]

In theory yes, but the entrance exams itself is not fair. Do you remember the absolute uproar in Beijing when someone from Shandong suggest that the college score cut-off line for Shandong students (much much higher) should be the same as that for Beijing (much much lower)?

[@tonyconiglio6941]

This video is 14:50 about how America still rules the world.

[@gianniwu6564]

The idea that these exams level the play field is also really faulty. Rich kids go to international schools, private schools or go into high schools that have ties to universities that leave them some spots or oversea ones. The poor ones need to grind those things out and if they fail it’s their fault.

[@ropro9817]

It may not be quite to this extreme, but the pressure for 'academic excellence' is high in Japan as well, where after school tutoring is the norm. I think a lot of Asian countries, Japan, Korea, Singapore, Taiwan, etc.--yes, I called Taiwan a _COUNTRY_ 🤠--are similar.

[@darreldennis7115]

Taiwan is independent democratic country!

[@chigasaki06]

Definitely similar. I lived in Japan and on the way home I would see cram schools with kids still learning after 10 p.m. I can't imaging regular school and then cram school with its own curriculum, and then homework before bed.

[@utkarshchoudhary3870]

India too...

[@TomNook.]

Western folks basically take education for granted, and fail miserably in real life and their careers as a result

[@PK-tt5kk]

India too but it is better than the Chinese gaokao system. In India based on the field u want to go in, there are separate exams like engineering we need to give JEE, for medical there is NEET etc etc. So it reduces the pressure a bit.

[@limcheating1]

The Exam system is a long debated topic in China, there are countless proposal of reform but again, some may work in big cities but not in rural areas, some works in the rural areas would be unfair to big cities, many complain of different papers in different province, different passing rate set in the North and South, one important fact is, these problems are not new, it has been there for thousand of year, what China face today very much resemblence the problems Ming Dynasty faced in the 14th century, its almost the same, some region is poor some is rich, some has long "STUDY HARD" culture and tradition but some dont, in the past 1 thousand year the South performed much better than the north, today its very much the same, except Beijing, so Beijing lower the entry requirement for locals and some northen region, guess what? the whole of China complain it to be unfair, but if there is 1 paper and 1 passing rate 1 standard throughout China, you can see only students from Southern and Eastern developed regions occupy all the colleges

[@librarycard3748]

Brutal, i'd rather die than live a soul crushing life like that. I'd have rather been a farmer 200 years ago in China than a poor or 'middle class' kid growing up in China today.

[@nehcooahnait7827]

So absolute monarchy was better???

[@travelator3035]

You would've starved to death if there was no harvest.

[@榮衞門]

You’d rather die from famine, disease, and back breaking farm work while being taxed heavily???

[@johnsullivan8673]

No, you wouldn't. You don't understand the crushing poverty that formed this obsession with education in the first place.

[@stubstunner]

Why did you restrict comments on the other video you just posted but not this one?

[@cindyhuang7021]

to actully show people that the sacrfices that china ctully has to make to actully keep up with the modorn world

[@laugh6581]

Kinda similar to Indian education tbh, the sheer competition is straining

[@apoun79]

Highly educated factory workers

[@jenborisov782]

lol

[@Smiley_Face0]

Yeah for real thought what are they learning for?

[@ry2upsc]

No man.All big companies are running by Indians or Chinese.

[@aalokbhatta5235]

These comments are like a breath of fresh air. Thank you for the kind words.

[@nemo9540]

Yeah they go through all that hell and by the time they finish their education they either get a job that pays around $1,500 per month or have absolutely no chance of getting a job even as a delivery driver.

[@Deepak_Dhakad]

True af.

[@yuluoxianjun]

indeed only 3000RMB/400USD per month work is as salary for top10% best students.

[@oseiassilvadossantos4709]

The fact that their parents passed through the same situation, still they undergo the same Path enforced by their own parents says a lot.

[@oseiassilvadossantos4709]

Studying is not always fun, but it pays off handsomely. This new generation is spoiled.

[@Vezm]

In China, because of population and other problems, the pressure of social competition will become greater and greater. I am not sure that the pressure of one generation is greater than that of the previous generation. There are too many people at the bottom of China, which leads to cheap labor, which leads to higher and higher requirements for academic qualifications in most jobs.

[@etaokha4164]

After all that some of the kids don't even finish school and they drop out because of pressure from society and their parents. Sad

[@ameygade1977]

That's one of the reasons why I will never have kids, I have been through stupidity like this for IIT entrances, maintaining pointers in engineering then deciding post grad education and studying for its entrance and what not. The money I earn today is decent but it isn't worth it, my grandfather was a school teacher and he lived a healthy and disciplined life compared to what I am doing now.

[@joekev27]

We had some foreign exchange students with us and found out they were crazy rich and then we also heard they might buy their kid a spot in college when they are born for say 100k and then end up selling that spot and sending their kids to the US for schooling and they sell that spot for more than double or triple their original investment. At least this is what I heard, I have nothing to back it up lol but it does make sense.

[@catbothelen]

I ran into someone from my high school when touring one of the more prestigious private colleges in the US - her mom just straight up asked the admissions person “how much is it to buy a spot at your school?” They were like “that would be 1 million dollars” (I can’t be sure now since that was like 10 years ago, but I think it was 1 mil), and the mom was like “Great, that’s nothing to us” and demanded a private tour. My mom was just flabbergasted that she would just do this right in front of her daughter… The girl didn’t end up getting her high school diploma because she absolutely didn’t study. Ended up going to a local community college for a bit. Her parents bought her a house and a car but she couldn’t even park the car in front of the house properly… She returned to China pretty soon because she couldn’t take care of herself. I wonder if her family actually spent $1,000,000 on a college spot before finding out the the kid is simply not prepared for college😂

[@mah_.lamino]

As an brazilian student i uderstand your pain, here in Brazil we have the ENEM (national exam of high shool), and in the past of the years the goverment is aplicating extras hours in our academic grade for preparing the teenagers for that exam, it's insane! (But so far of the chinese system, thanks God!)

[@TheCpobarnet]

Killed for being Gay. You turned the comments off. But I wanted to let people know that I have lived in both Sydney and Melbourne and suffered injustices by the police forces and I am not gay. This is an issue with the police, not just an issue for a minority.

[@avetoldyouso6069]

there's nothing called mental health in east, south and southeast Asia...we need to study 15 hrs a day no matter what

[@atirairawatene8321]

To be honest if my parents forced me to do private tutoring I would have rebelled and did alsmot everything to get out of it. I am from New Zealand we dont have much of a hardcore exams back to back in eights hours like china. FOR EXAMPLE We had two exams in one day, so one in the morning and afternoone. Each exam was one or two hours depending on the subject. However you woud be told which exams you have atleast two month prior to the actual exam day. The teachers would give ypu tips amd advice if you were struggling in the certain subject and also have a holisitc approach on the pupils wellbeing FOR EXAPLE: if you were known to get really stressed they would approach you to take some counselling classes to deal with the stress of exam. :) New Zealand is really relaxed in exams and do not have high stadard to be honest.

[@moonriser464]

you are really lucky

[@baikeiast5255]

No one care about New zeland ,the only thing newzeland care are sheep

[@claudiamanta1943]

2:48 What splendid way to anonymise.