Victims, Victims Everywhere: Trigger Warnings, Safe Spaces, and Academic Freedoms

[@Marimilitarybrat]

I am a nurse. 30 years ago I had a patient who was a survivor of the German death camps of World War II. I knew this because I recognize the significance of the numbers tattooed on her forearm. This lovely, poised elderly woman did not point out her tattoo or personal history of suffering. And after we developed a safe relationship as a nurse/patient I asked her one question about her past. "Are you angry with the people who did this to you? ". Her answer was this, "oh darling I'm not angry. They took 1277 days of my life when I was in that camp. If I am angry I give them one more day of my life. And I refuse to give away anymore of my life to anger & Resentment".

[@desimurgi]

I have met many people of the kind you described - from India, Bangladesh, Germany, Japan, Korea. It would have been impossible to SO many countries and civilizations to move on without the ability to forgive and a resolve to concentrate on the future, not the past.

[@Versul1]

Just wow

[@Stego1611]

i don't think that a yt comment ever gave me goosebumps before.. thank you for sharing this little story!

[@prybarknives]

@@Stego1611 , yes! The shivers.

[@danholo]

Exactly. I know a guy from Serbia (mid-20's) who is a refugee and has experienced some horrible shit. He is always grateful to Finland who took him in and gave him an opportunity to live a safe life. I've also studied in Israel and had an Eritrean class mate. He was a political prisoner in Eritrea, fled with his friend through the Sudan and Egypt. When they were sneaking across the border between Israel and Egypt, his friend was shot and killed by the Egyptian border patrol. In Israel he was an entrepreneur, had a few phone shops / Internet cafes for other Eritreans in South Tel Aviv (that place is like a mini Africa, a special place) and studied in one of the most prestigious schools in Israel - he received a scholarship from the school. So this black non-Jew is given an opportunity to restart his life and he isn't complaining. Israel is shown to be a racist country quite often but having witnessed instances like these it really irks me that only one side of story is told. tl:dr; People who've experienced real horrors appreciate what they have. I really hope people could learn that without having to experience insurmountable amounts of suffering. We should appreciate the comfort and safety our ancestors built for us, not destroy it!!!

[@JC-by6cl]

It's a sad sign of the times when the audience has to be thanked for just behaving like adults.

[@harrymills2770]

Yes. But it's good that they made the point. There was still a snowflake in the crowd, whose intense feelings of righteous victimhood drove her to try to interrupt and take over the proceedings.

[@MrChohalia]

But it's a good sign that they actually behaved well.

[@onedrop7967]

But still appreciated. A sign of the times and why the Leftist are cuckoo for coco puffs.

[@danholo]

I know. SMH

[@OmmerSyssel]

@@huelu982 Argumentation in mutual respect is a bit different from screaming your opponent deaf.. 😎

[@mandilyncartwright5697]

This morning I said to someone “people have clung so tightly to their ideas, that the ideas have become part of their identity. And thus completely unbending and unreceptive to the joys of changing perspective” It’s just nice to know I’m not the only one who’s come to that realization

[@lunasinger2735]

As a person who is completely disabled by REAL Post traumatic stress disorder, I am disgusted by the ways in which the words triggering and trauma are used these days. These whining students de-legitimize the sufferings of people who have actually experienced REAL violence and trauma. "Trigger" used to refer to the physiological response that occurs when a trauma survivor is reminded of a traumatic event. Trauma, by definition is a life-death event. The point of healing from trauma is to be given the tools to FORGET the event, NOT to be kept a victim forever.

[@jht3fougifh393]

Preach. I have a mental health disorder and am disabled by it, myself. People who promote /the disability/, essentially, by saying things shouldn't be cured, etc., are horrible imho. I will always strongly resist such inane suggestions. Being someone who has to go through difficulties in life is nothing good, and nothing to be promoted in the extreme way they do. I'll never understand it. Must just be extreme ignorance, with the occasional unhealthy coping mechanisms. Who knows. Thanks for posting, btw.

[@OmmerSyssel]

@@jht3fougifh393 Simply spoiled ignorants unfamiliar with real life issues.. Wish you all the best & future strength to cope with your situation☺ 🌺🙏

[@the81kid]

A lot of words have been repurposed. Someone should make a dictionary of them. Some are serious words which used, until recently, carry power and seriousness.

[@j_freed]

Yes, it's staggeringly ignorant that actual traumatized people can be demeaned by these stupid fake-trauma students.

[@YamCherie]

j freed Just because you feel oppressed by the very notion of accommodating someone, it doesn't make you an expert on who is or isn't traumatized.

[@harrymills2770]

Highlighting your victimhood is literally infantile. This is the first thing that babies learn: You control your environment by crying, so Mommy knows you need something. It's important communication. It's the rudimentary beginning of communication and interacting with the world. THEN you learn how to do things for yourself. You grow up. These people are deliberately regressing to an infantile mind-set and deliberately arresting their development at that stage.

[@pieintheskyguy1130]

Love this.

[@cockoffgewgle4993]

It's also a female mindset. Babies cry for their Mothers. Women cry for men. Men don't cry because nobody will heed their cries. This "culture" has overlapped with female "emancipation", and girls and women gaining more power in society, especially in academia.

[@Antonette59]

Bret and Heather are a formidable team. They know how to answer concisely. I really enjoyed this talk.

[@jameznash]

So if somebody is triggered by trigger warnings - do trigger warnings need warnings?

[@Doseus]

Yes we will call them precaution alerts to trigger warnings. Haha

[@deniseg-hill1730]

I love a good laugh 🤣🤣🤣 well said

[@Roarzan]

That's philosoraptor stuff right there!

[@TheDeathwalker86]

My head just exploded

[@Darth_Pro_x]

Actually, in *hindsight*, it should have been obvious that that's where it would lead. it's simple Pavlovian conditioning together with increased fragility from decreased exposure.

[@findfulfillingwork]

"People are having wounds open for the sake of having wounds to point to"

[@audience2]

People will get up very early in the morning so that they can go and be offended.

[@srinigypsy]

Keeping the wounds open to point to is an effective mind control technique. Gives the subject a defense mechanism that they can resort to not just when challenged but even to meet you halfway. They feel vulnerable without these wounds as the wounds are their identity. To heal is to die. Victimhood is empowering like a drug andvery addictive. it's being taught,promoted and these subjects are used as a tool to attain power. Free speech is an obstacle so it's under attack.

[@reedosmeenosminos]

I like that, and will steal it with pride.

[@srinigypsy]

audience2 no pain no gain😂

[@xSpiegelschattenx]

It's reached Munchhausen syndrome level at this point.

[@swordfish7165]

Bret Weinstein's worth his weight in gold. Sharp as a tack, always analyses / conceptualises / clarifies in the deepest and most profound way.

[@stri8ted]

He's a treat to listen to. Infusing ideas of evolution and game-theory into our understanding of societal phenomena.

[@jessiej1746]

mark dale I like that he takes his time to be thoughtful with his words, knowing he has important things to say and he makes sure he says them in as clear a was as possible.

[@Panzerdood]

@kathy This is constantly leveled but never substantiated. Plus, aren't we the ones who use actual definitions? Stop using descriptors as makeshift slurs. Leftist has a real definition. What i'd really like to know though, what is the purpose of this attempt to ostracize a "former sjw"? Are people unable to learn new things? Are they unable to change? Do you realize punishing people for their alleged past ideals is merely a different form of the oppression olympics?

[@emsnewssupkis6453]

He is a fine teacher and he learned his lessons about the hazards of being a leftist. He is now a 'center' person which is good.

[@krileayn]

Problem is that Bret contributed to this SJW post modernist insanity, and now he gets to play the victim.

[@metacarpitan]

Im a physicist and the whole idea that reality is a "social construct" just gives me nausea. Are this people quite insane? What the hell have I been studying for the past 4 years then?

[@metacarpitan]

EriolTolkien What's wrong with Plato?

[@metacarpitan]

EriolTolkien I didnt know this xD haha apart from the "world of ideas" in which things are perfect etc. Interesting though ^^

[@burleybater]

Fear not. You can rest assured that mere social constructionists and physical deconstructionists will continue to be in great need of highly developed scientific talents. We do not have to like them, understand them, trust them or believe them in order to live among them. While they make it all up as they go along, others actually make things. I suppose in this age of rampant privatization, even Reality itself is up for grabs. Why not? It sure has a tried and proven way of providing some serious ass-biting once in awhile. But if you think about it - we tend to fear what we don't know. Not knowing what is real makes what is real - real scary. Studies are a pain in the neck, and real comfort, at the same time.

[@ArdeshirBanerjee]

What philosophy does absolute reality fall under?

[@alainbellemare2168]

reality is a relationship between the different levels of organisation of energy/mater

[@warlord8954]

"It is dangerous to be right in matters on which the established authorities are wrong." Voltaire

[@ZekeMan62]

"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit attrocities."--Voltaire They're indoctrinating the young with absurdities today. Tommorrow come the attrocities.

[@AlejandroLopez-cs6np]

Bret and Heather I've said it once and I'll say it again. Power couple. The panel in general was great. This is the answer to the current problem in our society. Sometimes it feels overwhelming but hearing these discussions give me peace. Also Heather is very strong, every time I hear her I like her more.

[@motiv311]

feels overwhelming? how so ?

[@AlejandroLopez-cs6np]

Andrew Mark Dransfield seeing people buy into identity politics. Seeing people become more and more racist not realizing the hypocrisy. The riots in college campuses. How the media is pushing that narrative. You almost forget that people can think critically. Mob mentality is becoming too popular. Individualism is getting thrown out the window and postmodernism and intersectionality are trying to solve a problem that has been solved in western society years ago. Meaning value the individual. And under that guise they are turning people into puppets. But seeing videos like this makes me feel better lol

[@heimdallsgate6141]

I was already loving his stuff when everything calmed down enough for her to come on the scene I was blown awaya

[@connorgray6135]

Strange that she hasn't taken her husbands name.

[@heimdallsgate6141]

connor gray papers published in her old name would be gone. I get it same as comedians or actresses keeping their brand.

[@TheFirstCause]

Heather and Bret are so badass. Their intelligence and articulate arguments are so pleasing to listen to. Christina is fantastic too and it refreshing to see a modern feminist who hasn't gone off the deep end of identity politics.

[@Apriluser]

Victimhood = narcissism. How do we deal with people who are completely self-indulged??

[@farefouse]

Dude think it's time you stop caring what other people do.

[@the81kid]

@@farefouse Tell that to social justice warriors. The left became the right. You're right, we should stop caring what a generation turning into sociopaths do. Who cares if they abuse people. Who cares, right. Only when it affects you personally, will you care. That's what's missing from the "radical left" (for lack of a better term): empathy with others. They don't have empathy, they only see pawns they can use for more personal prestige.

[@farefouse]

@@the81kid cool

[@tomgood5005]

@@farefouse Respect to you for your humilty.

[@agardenapart9515]

So there's no such things as victims in this world??? Just whiny people making things difficult for non-victims... gaslighting 101. Different people handle abuse in different ways. I can't stand blanket statements like this. While I do believe some people play victim as a manipulation technique, it's not all people.

[@Chrisbeersexyviking]

The quality of conversation here is so high, this deserves way more than only 5,000 views.

[@myopiniondoesntmatterh9073]

Up to 52k now.

[@Ntnt11]

Probably because the channel does not have many subscribers

[@atkgrl]

Spread the word, educate your friends

[@rachelolson5488]

I'm here now 👏👏

[@natasharostova5186]

great arguments. I loved the "play outdoors >connecting with reality" part. Brilliant.

[@lacey2906]

All those speakers were very civil, smart, and well spoken...But Bret and Heather are just something else. They are just really pleasurable to listen to, and heather in particular I think articulates ideas in such a smooth and poignant way. Good job on the audience for being so civil as well - How crazy is it that it almost seems like an exception at this point when the audience is civil and there are no protests?

[@Wingedmagician]

I’m a human services major. I’m taking a 102 course for the major. -My class is a “safe space” -In the first five minutes of class we close our eyes and the teacher puts us through a guided meditation. -We sit in a circle because the teacher disagrees with the traditional layout of chairs -I’m losing my fucking mind

[@srinigypsy]

Rob Vel how old are the students in your class?

[@Wingedmagician]

varies, mostly early 20s if not a year or two out of highschool

[@srinigypsy]

Rob Vel, creepy

[@Wingedmagician]

srini gypsy it’s weird

[@srinigypsy]

Rob Vel fits with what yuri bezmenov was outling in the early 1980s.

[@unclejj13er75]

Heather Heying rocks!!! She is awesome at being non-chalantly devastating...will def be looking into her work.

[@moonlightray8493]

Although it's the first I've heard of her, Dr. Heather Heying really impressed me with how articulate she is; her arguments are lucid and very well-spoken. I'm definitely going to be looking more into her work after this video.

[@JakkFrost1]

Victims, victims everywhere, and not a brain to think.

[@jean6453]

A lot of complaining about complaining

[@petehill7280]

Victims, victims everywhere, And all the nerve-endings did shrink, Victims, victims everywhere, Nor any brains to think.

[@petehill7280]

The actual line in The Rime of the Ancient Mariner is 'Water, water everywhere, nor any drop to drink.'

[@Explodezor3]

Thank you all! Love these conversations. All people on stage are amazing and Heather and Brett is just pinpoint accurate in their comments.

[@jim23mac]

Peter's comment about PSU being an awesome place that allows freedom of expression (at 18:45) didn't wear well - in Sep 21 he accused them of creating a culture where students are "afraid to speak openly and honestly,".

[@kassenief]

Heather Heying is getting more and more confident and I enjoy it.

[@debblouin]

Guillaume Bourque I don’t think it’s increased confidence. I think it’s just a growing comfort or familiarity with the platforms she is on. I read her as a knowledgeable and humble person who knows her shit. I really respect how she presents her knowledge and opinions.

[@kassenief]

Debra Blouin : that's pretty much what I meant but the nuance is welcomed.

[@chiaradina]

She is a beautiful soul and woman. Her voice tells.

[@chiaradina]

Der Führer it’s Heather

[@HowardSchoonover]

"read only activism" activism which can not take any input from real world data or experience. top take away

[@Blippity_Bloop64]

Great term. I'm going to steal it!

[@kidpoker1000]

PSU College Republicans You are Patriots and I thank you

[@craigjervis5652]

First time I've seen Heather. She has a great ability to distill truth into succinct chunks.

[@minkorrh]

Bring back shop classes. Industrial Ed., Metalworkingworking, etc. Make boys useful

[@mrdave2112]

Bring back cooking and ironing classes, Make girls more useful.

[@JaneDoe-zr4px]

no way. SJWs would say that those classes force traditional ideas of masculinity on boys. what about the one in 1 billion boys who'd rather play with dolls? Those classes are also offensive to the gay and trans boys - they're not able to cut the mustard in a masculine environment so the only solution is to destroy the environment. Forget the fact that 99.9 % (aka the normal boys) excel there and find it valuable to their lives. They would also say that traditional male activities like working with your hands/building things contributes to violence in men. It reinforces their physical superiority which they use to oppress women and minorities. Never underestimate the madness of the New Left.

[@safetythirdified]

Argle Bargle Hallelujah!!! Trade work and skilled training use to be in he university from what my dad tells me. For whatever reason, they took those disciples out...and now we have generations of adults and young adults with no discipline or resilience. Funny how that works.

[@caelidhg6261]

I am a woman and I would have probably loved to have more hands on things like shop class. I graduate HS in 86 and they had even taken out home ec by then. I wanted to learn how to sew.. My mum was a doctor and didn't really have time to teach me such things

[@jollygoode4153]

@Kitten Katt I hated woodworking. i wanted to do typing but only the girls were allowed to learn it - on typewriters - because they were training to be secretaries - but who knew in 1979 that this working class kid would end up earning a living sitting in front of a computer for 20 years. Conversely one of those girls ended up teaching wood sculpture at ART college. So more freedom to choose back then might have helped both of us - but that didn't make either of us victims ( just in case anyone thinks i'm saying that - I'm not ) it seems we muddled through nonetheless.

[@yoomang7]

Bret and Heather are crazy smart! They need to start a podcast or youtube channel.

[@jcheney9495]

Very true these two should strike fear into the ideologues. Their talk with Joe Rogan was incredible as well.

[@rebeccab.463]

So true! The feminists will finally be brought down . So good to see courageous women who can truthfully admit to their scourge of their gender.

[@nick18303]

Bret has started one now

[@TheMackieman123]

Well this aged well

[@MrFlibbleable]

If Universities are forcing people out like them then you know they are in deep trouble. Evergreens enrolment has greatly suffered as a result of the fiasco so they got their deserved karma before long.

[@barryfisher3881]

This is a vitally important conversation that has been a long time in coming.

[@stri8ted]

Brilliant panel. Smart, articulate, and non-dogmatic.

[@squatch545]

A panel of victims...lol

[@WindMageMaster]

Love the panelists! I was so happy to attend this up-front with 2nd row seating! It was a great discussion!

[@sharralynnpiercewoolworth6358]

Thank GOD for you! I didn't know you existed! There IS hope afterall.

[@joyharmon1110]

We definitely need more open discussion in the classroom. Based on the audience's lack of ability to ask succinct questions, some very smart people haven't had enough practice in doing this.

[@breezyveezy1]

This was an excellent conversation. Thank you:)

[@jessiej1746]

"People are keeping their wounds open for the sake of having wounds to point to." Good stuff!

[@chrisw7347]

Heather cooing intellect in my eaaaarrrrssss... Bret is so lucky. Bret's amazing too , Heather's also lucky. My favorite academic couple :D

[@krg021865]

Yes..Heather’s sharp intellect coupled with her sultry voice. Best unintentional ASMR there is.

[@AMikeStein]

I love these 2 of well. Although I’m quite the fan of Sam and Annika Harris.

[@artgarfunkelsgingerfro2886]

I really enjoyed hearing this panel. I wish the discussion was 3 hours.

[@williammcenaney6803]

We reinforce false victimhood when we fell sorry for other people when they don't need sympathy. At birth, I "caught" Cerebral Palsy when my lungs collapsed. While I grew up, Mom and Dad let me make stupid, sometimes humiliating mistakes because my parents knew that I needed to learn from my stupid behavior. They hated to see me suffer from the blunders. But the blunders taught me how to avoid feeling victimized. It's unfair to blame others for problems that I know I caused. The victim's attitude teaches people to be needlessly touchy, to feel almost paranoid, and to maybe even refuse to give others a deserved benefit of the doubt. Supposed victims become narcissists who expect others to treat them too gently when they won't treat them gently in return. This happens repeatedly when bratty adults impulsively and groundlessly accuse others of racism, anti-Semitism, homophobia, or something like that. The victims(?) want to be accepted by people they refuse to accept.

[@NegativeMass85]

My 26yo son has CP too, he was born prematurely. Five years ago he also developed Crohn's disease and now has a stoma bag. Poor guy can't catch a break. When he was little, we just let him try to do things. He always found his own way of getting where he needed to go and doing what he needed to do.

[@JohnMichaelBurns]

Heather has an amazing capacity to answer complex questions with concise and devastating answers.

[@freyaastrella]

I'm so glad we have some seriously intelligent women fighting this good fight

[@OmmerSyssel]

Every man should have at least one intelligent woman...

[@ZekeMan62]

@@OmmerSyssel Too bad they're so few and far between.

[@urbanmouseification]

Amazing video, four incredibly intellectual speakers. Thanks so much to everyone involved.

[@misterarchivist1634]

Heather had at least 4 stellar mic drops in this ONE conversation!!

[@onedrop7967]

Please feel free to time stamp them.

[@wellsorted]

@@onedrop7967 I concur.

[@exlesoes]

0:00 start from there and do it

[@ANTINUTZI]

... I haven't been so blown away by this much Sound Mind and Good Heart-- on one stage-- since I can remember. And I was born in 1951-- on a whole other planet.

[@Marine_Ret]

If the USMC wanted us Marines to have emotions and feelings they would have been issued to us in our Seabag.

[@benth162]

Outside of my comment below, this is one of the best panels I have heard in a long time. Their positions and arguments were cogent and well articulated. I am glad the moderator put that loud mouth Lesbian in her place, for wanting to be part of the conversation when she wasn't.

[@GypsyBrokenwings]

in the 80's I took ethics and the instructor didn't want anyone else to speak. He didn't want any questioning, just for everyone to take what he said as gospel. I couldn't deal with it and spoke up and brought up questions in class. Then other students started to think also. Schools should teach how to think, not be robots.

[@cynthiafeick]

Very proud to have graduated from a university that upholds the Chicago Principles! Thank you, Portland State University, for having the courage, intellectual integrity, academic honesty and leadership in providing a platform for discussion of opposing ideas, based on freedom of speech and expression.

[@Noodlehorn]

'It takes a village to raise a child' - English saying. Look ahead. We need to home school our kids in contact with each other as part of a network and re-build a general community spirit. A network of home schoolers in each town, who can all work together and will have much better intentions and more flexibility in their everyday lives. We'll give them a very good education of course (including the 3 'r's!), but there will be no Marxist-feminist brainwashing, no common-core and no anti-white racism.

[@littlesigh]

Thanks for this. So many tidbits of excellent focusing, zeroing in on detail from the larger scope of discussion. I think my favorite was Dr Heying's point at about 8:00 to 10:00 minute mark, on victimization.

[@Morbius1963]

"Forget about its value, how does pi make you FEEL?" (The Simpsons)

[@AMikeStein]

Hungry

[@BillM1960]

Great Talk. Thanks for posting!

[@carlawhite2576]

In the course of my life, it happens to be that I have been raped. I have never ever considered calling myself a "rape victim" or "rape survivor". I rarely think about it, and I don't need to talk about it. I haven't told my husband of 11 years about it. Why should I? I'm a happy person. We're happy together. Why would I burden him with something that happened to me decades ago? What would be the point? This was a refreshing, interesting panel discussion. I'm so thankful that there are people...real smart people...who "get it" lol.

[@Tuatara1989]

That seems healthy and empowering. Perhaps the danger in going too far in this direction would be, that we'd become so indifferent, we'd no longer attempt to punish the acts of (sexual) violence.

[@proudatheist2042]

People also hidden traumatic things that happened to them because it's a terrifying endeavor to process. I am glad that you don't want to consider yourself a victim, but I hope you find a trained professional to process what happened to you if you need to or want to. I must say, it's odd that you typed a random message to total strangers on the internet that you were raped, but you have never told your husband. Based on your actions, I can't help but wonder if there's a part of you that is desperate to process what happtto you.

[@dannyka6738]

We need more talks like this one, we need more courageous professor like those here, we need to stop the spread of this cancer.

[@DecodingDoom]

17:00 that is an amazing summation of the problem with emotional sensitivity in youth today. People have never been physically hurt, so their brains hypersensitize themselves to emotional stimuli. Weinstein really is brilliant. How the hell did he end up at Evergreen? 52:59 An amazing statement from Dr. Heying. "Not Read-Only" is going to be a requirement for respect from me from now on.

[@andrewholz1414]

Well said/quoted!

[@Flachdachbunker]

Such a great talk and thought through words...it just makes my evening. Thank you.

[@bearbuster157]

Constant rumination destroys one's soul.

[@generalrodcocker1018]

great! this was really enjoyable and gives me some hope.

[@jdre1976]

This gave me hope for the human race...

[@wulphstein]

I like the idea of letting children (and adults) "play" in ways that might get their knees skinned as they learn about reality.

[@TropicalCoder]

All that passion and dedication to rationalism wouldn't mean a thing to these SJWs, who would just ignore it all and invent some rational like character assassination to discredit this wonderful panel.

[@alangaillard2988]

I would suggest that the fact that there were no gender studies majors there tells its own tale.

[@saschadorian7609]

Starts at 4:18

[@koolkev2020able]

Sascha Dorian thanks for that. ☺

[@powerglover2021]

Starts when you hit play

[@pseudopetrus]

Great discussion!

[@MrHellweasel]

Dr. Sommers' part around the 22nd minute was awesome. Women claim they do not need men yet the moment they are among themselves they cannot stand it. They say if women ruled the world there would be no wars. More like, there would be wars + no one would be talking to each other.

[@cockoffgewgle4993]

Women claim they don't need men but the first person they run to when they need anything is a man. They don't need men directly because men have ensured they can access everything they need from men indirectly. ie via the state or via price-controlled labour. Society runs on the backs of men. Men do 95% of essential and physical jobs. Men invent 95% of everything. Men pay 80% of taxes. Men do 95% of the protective jobs. Look around you, look at everything you use on a day-to-day basis, 99% of them will be made by a man. Modern women are the most spoiled demographic to ever walk the Earth. And they're also the demographic who have convinced the world they're the biggest victims.

[@ivancarrejo466]

Love this video!!.. good job

[@Apriluser]

A quote appropriate for our current cultural milieu: “If you center your life in a "noble cause" (global warming, etc), you will divide the world into "good" and "bad" and demonize your opponents. Without them, you have no purpose.” Timothy Keller, The Reason fro God

[@ucokalpigari3933]

In North Carolina, it was found that Women's Studies graduates had an average salary of $14,500 five years after graduation. The poverty line in the state is $24,000. And they are running up huge debts for these toilet paper degrees. I mean, who would even dream of wasting their money on this non-education?

[@TheDeathwalker86]

I would support any of these people and I'm a hardcore trump maga type person...but I know reason and logic when I hear it.. I would trust them with rational thinking might not agree with some of there views but I can at least understand them and there opinions..

[@cmcull987]

I learned more critical thinking skills in my two 101 and 102 writing classes than the Critical Thinking course we were required to take. And yes, we had to take a test judging our skills in the college and I was disappointed I had to start with writing 101. But I learned so much and eternally grateful for the foundation of learning the prof gave us.

[@crislew1204]

I absolutely agree that professional victimization is a real problem today but there is one topic I have been unable to hear anyone really speak about in depth. It seems to me that many people in academia and elsewhere seem to be "rebels without a cause." The social justice warriors appear to have a deep seeded psychological need to fight a war without joining the military. They look for anything to get upset about and then begin to fight as if they are personally being attacked by anyone who does not share their views. These people walk around feeling smug and superior which seems to be the payoff for such behavior. Therefore, it seems that academia has not only created adults who are psychological and emotional infants but also self-aggrandizing narcissist's who act like the "mean girls" in high school using intimidation, threats and often violence to make sure that only their voices get heard. They remind me of toddlers who have been left out of an adult conversation and start misbehaving for attention. Perhaps it is time to begin treating these people like the children they are and confine them to their safe spaces until they grow up and stop throwing tantrums.

[@Allen1029]

This dovetails in my mind with Sebastian Junger's point in his book Tribe that individuals who survived wartime environments were often nostalgic for those periods because they got out of their own heads and were useful to others.

[@vargonian]

It always amazes me how incapable people are of asking questions briefly, even when explicitly asked to do so.

[@Darth_Pro_x]

Giving them the diffuseability test was brilliant! great modeling :)

[@evaboyer1328]

The tragedy is the people who really suffer dont the attention since everybody seems to be a victim.

[@bearifiablepau2095]

1:09:24 , 1:09:50, 1:10:33 music to my ears. The implications of these topics goes way deeper than people like to admit. I've been both called out by angry ideologues and shunned by people I care for daring to create dissent inside a University Campus. Some institutions practice authoritarian legislation under the guise of critical thinking.

[@deathbycognitivedissonance5036]

1:11:20 Lawrence Krauss at bottom right of screen?!?!?

[@osoco7294]

Yes

[@markwitten687]

Looks like it ??

[@anatheistsopinion9974]

Highly probable

[@skaruts]

It's totally him. Getting red pilled, I guess.

[@darren430]

It was definitely Krauss.

[@shaundaly1134]

A great debate. Drs Heying & Weinstein articulate facts so well.

[@adamromero]

Lawrence Krauss in the audience.

[@MavidG]

Opposing victim hood can form a template for us to become compassionless, bc most don’t understand compassion and stoicism at once.

[@julianmarco4185]

You guys are still lucky to live in the USA. In UK a comedian got sentenced to jail for a joke. For a joke! And the people in the joke weren't even offended. Europe has turned into a communist mentality.

[@Gambit771]

You think the US doesn't have its own batshit problems? This is a video where they talk about them for over an hour.

[@johnbull1568]

He's referring to : www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-43864133 The man in question was fined (not jailed), but it's a disgrace that this ever got to court. A mirror (because the original video contravenes KZbin's 'hate speech' rules smfh) of the video is here, judge for yourself: kzbin.info/www/bejne/sHa1h5yvo7CtkK8

[@Khalikhalzit]

Count Dankula. Does anyone have a solution to this madness? Having the wrong opinions is becoming outright illegal.

[@larryfisher7056]

Speed of change...what a brilliant response...

[@xtusvincit5230]

It is such a rarity to hear intelligent liberals speak. If they get any saner they will become conservatives.

[@robinpesek3657]

He he he!

[@nancythompson6921]

The gentleman on the end dismissed the woman from the audience's question that asked him who he was referring to in the debate between Peterson and Mate. Was it Peterson or Mate? She, apparently, as well as I, did not know enough about Peterson or Mate to whom he was referring to as being ignorant about gender. His dismissing of the question told me volumes about his attitude toward those who are less "educated" than himself.

[@teddysaginaw9101]

What was the Jordan Peterson debate mentioned at 26:20? Link?

[@swordfish7165]

More like 25:50, Leslie. Nicolas Matte vs Jordan Peterson here kzbin.info/www/bejne/oJSnfHajeJ6ajbc or more fully herekzbin.info/www/bejne/oZLWmqKsZd6ne8U

[@teddysaginaw9101]

Thanks! Yes I got the seconds wrong, it happens.

[@gregburd4547]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/q2XYqa2hjMajaLc

[@mightyshanolgorhythm6524]

This was the debate on Canadian television that Linsay Shepard got in hot water at University for daring to show her college class 5 minuets of.

[@joshemilybrown1016]

Thanks - came to the comments for this same thing! The internet delivers.

[@KM-po5kk]

Seriously, Heather & Brett need to take their show on the road! Someone in the comments mentioned that they are a power couple, I agree 1000%! Also, if I were a dean of a university in charge of hiring I would be calling them up asap. I’ve heard Brett speak before and he has an amazing way of explaining things, I wish he would’ve been my biology instructor. I’ve only listened to Heather for a brief period of time but she is dead on with everything she says. I loved her explanations and the clear way she spoke. Christina normally is a fairly engaging speaker it’s just that next to the power duo she sounds kind of “fumbly” or something. I think it’s only relative though. Peter B., meh. I could do without him. Something about his manner is kind of grating to me, especially when he’s trying to be funny. Overall, great panel discussion. It’s a keeper for sure. Also, I cannot believe that Evergreen did not stand up for the power duo, what a loss of two excellent profs.

[@americanasgrandson]

I agree with the panel, generally, on the destructive role victim culture is playing in academia and culture. However, I often wonder about the jeering role (they are subtle, but present I think) Peter plays in his choice of words. I do not mean others are not responsible for how they deal with ridicule for their views. But being ignored is a characteristic the marginalized and victim narrative claims and if they are genuinely being encouraged to “deal with reality,” while having to sort through unnecessary ridicule, snide remarks in addition to the actual argument, I imagine such remarks are counterproductive. It seems to me such talk is fodder for the person making the counter claim to the panel’s general argument and it is another opportunity not to deal with the main argument being presented by the panel.

[@JockoJonson17]

Gabriel Akins 👍👍👍

[@ChaseFace]

I noticed that as well. Sometimes he'll stand on his soapbox and just give an opinion in the middle of a question or topic. It isn't just you, haha.

[@americanasgrandson]

TheGschultz Neither are arguments. I’m saying the panel’s general argument is not furthered by Peter’s soapbox moments. We’re agreed. Arguments and rebuttals aren’t valid based on tone.

[@mjmartn]

Rebuttals are never "valid." This term is often used incorrectly by people trying to look intellectually superior. Arguments are valid. Or invalid.

[@americanasgrandson]

matt martin I’m sure I could give an uncharitable answer to his response. But I sleep at night and one of the reasons I do is becuase I know I’m trying. If he can’t see I’m trying...that’s commentary on him.

[@RavenheartIndustries]

A teacher of mine once said "While there is no such thing as a stupid question, however the person asking is not exempt from that label."

[@deepblueatticus]

WTF is that Lawrence Krauss at 1:29:40 to the right of the blonde chick sitting down?!!!

[@iangarth6174]

Oh my gosh yes!

[@WindMageMaster]

Ahh, so that’s who it was! I’m the guy with black jacket behind him. I KNEW I recognized his face from somewhere, but I couldn’t place it!

[@joejones9497]

Well.. makes sense.. he would have a heightened interest as a result of: www.thetimes.co.uk/article/doomsday-clock-professor-lawrence-krauss-faces-sexual-misconduct-claims-w5r3800x9

[@mjh277]

Given he was accused of sexual assault by buzzfeed he may be thinking that it's worth listening to those who are waving the red flags about other interrelated issues

[@puffball4484]

I don't know much about what happened to him but yeah he's probably interested in the mob justice bullshit going on now that it came knocking on his door.

[@BillieJolene1]

I wonder what they would say today. It's gotten worse over these last 5 years.

[@justinwatkins438]

I thought it was STINE not STEEN!

[@nicholasr79]

Justin Watkins no, it's Stein!

[@cassiusclay5271]

I wonder why they never spoke of the victimizer/bully. People shouldn’t pretend like he or she is okay. That’s how little monsters are created. It doesn’t make you weak that someone hurt you. We have to help people heal and become victors.

[@marshallhinton7436]

really dislike this moderator. I came to this video to hear heather, brett and Christina. he should really consider letting the panelists finish their point before cutting them off. especially when he does so in order to input his opinion. as they tend to seem far less succinct and far more sensationalist than the point the panelist was making to begin with.

[@ShoRyuBarbie]

He's one of the authors of those recent bogus papers. His opinion on this panel is very valid.

[@lanceskelly6796]

He is not a moderator. He is the host of this conversation.

[@imaddictedtoyoutubeshorts]

He's kinda funny though

[@safetythirdified]

Marshall Hinton The commentary doesn’t add any value to the conversation. You don’t always have to comment. We the audience can fit the pieces together just fine.

[@sharralynnpiercewoolworth6358]

I'm happy and relieved to hear this Finally! I just wish it would have happened sooner....Are we going to be able to do anything with these that have been inculcated? It's a generation at least. What a loss and what will we do with them?

[@timmyfriday2718]

This is about one Peter Boghossian away from being a perfectly rational and decorous conversation between three respectable adults.

[@Karmacoup]

The irony of calling someone whom has multiple peer reviewed and cited works on rational thought, irrational, is just rich. Judge the guys ideas, don't attack someone because you perceive yourself to be more intelligent. It's laughable to say the least.

[@timmyfriday2718]

Tim: Makes comments based on what X says about his ideas. Karmacoup: Insists judgement of X be based on ideas, then defends him based on publication record. You're right, that does deserve a laugh.

[@valhalla1240]

As a sociologist, I reflected a lot on the issues with gender-studies. While it is and continues to be a discipline that keeps me curious, I find myself struggling with it more and more. What intrigues me about it, is the notion that - opposed to feminist theory, which intensely zooms in on gender and divides the world by a binary logic - gender studies has made gender-beliefs themselves the object of observation. In questioning how we see gender, how we attribute it, how we make each other aware of it and what we hold to be true about it, we learn a great deal about behavioural patterns and to a certain extent gender is a self-fulfilling prophecy. That being said, modern gender scientists are very aware, that an aggressive constructivism cannot pass, because there are basic biological premises, that simply aren't socially constructed. So the problem I have with gender studies isn't necessarily with its message, but with its delivery. The fact that Judith Butler was so well recieved within and outside of the scientific field, is both fascinating and terrifying. Because it has lead to what we see now: the majority of people taking her words out of context, interpreting them wrong, using them against her original intentions and politicising them. I've heard so many misrepresentations of her work that I simply can't read a single article about her anymore. The saddest part is: sociology actually keeps evolving ad gender studies with it, but the public is mostly unaware of it, because it is so trapped in this misguided mainstream-version of what was once a revolutionary idea: that there were gender-notions that might be arbitrary. This theory could have liberated us, but we've let the wrong people use it in the wrong way and for the wrong purposes and now it's just a fucking mess. Other sociologists have plead against a mainstream publication of their work, like system-theorist Niklas Luhmann, who claimed, sociological theories should never be written in a way, that makes it too easy for lamen to take quotes out of context and paraphrase them against their original intentions. I think he was right. There is danger in the mob abusing science for their own menacing ideologies.

[@NorthStrongSC]

Great panel other than Peter Boghossian. Heather, and Bret are great.

[@Octavarium666xyz]

With his work and courage to sacrifice his career he might save social sciences tho. Check out "grievence studies".

[@Darth_Pro_x]

I would like to see peter boghossian's 'street epistemology' used with the "regressive left". should be really interesting.

[@mc298]

that guy loves saying litmus test.

[@foxredacted1387]

Hey, message from the future. You guys were right and it keeps getting worse.