Victor Wembanyama Has a Legitimate Chance At Becoming the GOAT (here's how)

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[@Scrubik1]

Should’ve been dpoy

[@conduitofthegospeldarrellb9154]

NBA TOP 30 ALL TIME: 1. Michael Jordan - the greatest player and the greatest career in NBA history. Most dominant offensive force and one of the games best defenders. The ideal. A literal OP video game character in human form. 6x Champ 6x FMVP 5x MVP 1x DPOY 2. Kareem Abdul Jabar - owner of the most dominant go-to move on offense. The HOOK. The previous scoring leader and lead all points for 4 decades. An incredible defensive force his entire career. From Alcindor to Jabar he was simply the best the game had to offer. The greatest BASKETBALL career ever. Prep to Pro. 6x Champ 2x FMVP 6x MVP 3. LeBron James - WITNESS. The greatest longevity arguably in sports history. One of the most dominant forces ever and t Top3 (Wilt, Oscar) all round player. Still.. counting. Basically Magic’s IQ & vision with K. Malones physique & Jordan-like athleticism. 4x Champ 4x FMVP 4x MVP 4. Magic Johnson - the great PG ever (so far…). REVOLUTIONIZED his position and saved the NBA. Magic is the best assist man to date and is the only rookie to win a title and FMVP. Only gripe is he got sick and couldn’t continue. Then he got too rich and to old to play. Magic could’ve sat on a bench from 97’-03’ and be an 8x Champ… if he wanted to. 5x Champ 3x FMVP 3x MVP 5. Tim Duncan - best PF ever. One of the most fundamentally sound players ever. Played both ends at the highest level for 15 seasons. 5x Champ 3x FMVP 2x MVP 6. Bill Russell - THE GREAT ONE. Bill is the greatest winner and greatest defensive force in NBA and sports history. A legend on/off court. Top3 board getter and a leader like none other. The ONLY play-coach FMVP. The key to NBA first dynasty and “golden” era. 11x Champ 5x FMVP 5x MVP 7. Kobe Bryant - BABY BEAN. BRYANT... see number 1 and dilute the athleticism and physical intangibles and that’s what you got. Arguably the greatest warrior in NBA history. THE most skilled offensive weapon. A sage of the game. Forever MAMBA. 5x Champ 2x FMVP 1x MVP 8. Shaquille O’Neal - the most dominant ever. The immovable object/unstoppable force. Shaq was the definition of dominance. 4x Champ 3x FMVP 1x MVP 9. Larry Bird - LARRY LEGEND…maybe the most legendary on the list. Precursor to Jokic but better. One of the most skilled & clutch players ever. In any sport. 3x Champ 2x FMVP 3x MVP 10. Hakeem Olajuwon - back to back. The best of the mid90’s and second best player in the era. Hakeem is like Russell but with AllNBA offensive ability. 2x Champ 2x FMVP 1x MVP 11. Wilt Chamberlain - the games most prolific scorers. Arguably it’s greatest defender as well. The man could do it all. Even lead the league in assist at 7”2. Wilt IS unparalleled. GOAT athlete. 2x Champ 2x FMVP 4x MVP 12. Steph Curry - the games most prolific shooter and one of its greatest scorers. REVOLUTIONIZED the game forever. STILL GOING. 4x Champ 1x FMVP 2x MVP 13. Isaiah Thomas - ZEKE. CP3 before CP3 but nastier and meaner. A warrior and one of the games greatest strategist and generals. Quietly a top5 passer. 2x Champ 2x FMVP 14. Oscar Robertson - the greatest all around basketball player ever. Could do everything at a AllNBA level. Changed the way players were interpreted and influenced generations. 1x Champ 2x MVP 15. Kevin Durant - the Slim Reaper is likely the most ideal offensive weapon ever. Can hit from anywhere, anytime over anyone. Hard to beat and impossible to match that level of offensive dominance. 2x Champ 2x FMVP 1x MVP 16. Julius Erving - The good Dr., the FIRST MJ (before Magic & Jordan), The icon and face of BOTH leagues that saved the game in the 70’s. Kareem was the best but Doc was a close 2nd. Underrated statistical brilliance. Was like a 6’7-6’8 Giannis but with a better jump shot. 3x Champ (1 NBA) 2x FMVP 4x MVP (1 NBA) 17.. Moses Malone - CHAIRMAN OF DA BOARDS. Arguably the best board getter… ever. Only Wilt, Russell, Rodman and Thurmond belong in the same discussion. Moses lead his people to the promise land more than once but was able to claim immortality in the early 80’s. His team lead by the dynamic duo of he and Doc dominated the league. Before Lakers v. Celtics it was 76ers v. Celtics-Lakers. 1x Champ 1x FMVP 3xMVP 18. John Havlicek - the GREAT one. MJ is 6-0. Ole Johnny is 8-0. The offensive force off the bench or starting that lead the dynastic Celtics to all 8. Early in his career he was akin to Jordan Poole role on Warriors 22’ team but better at everything but the 3 ball. Then in the late 60’s-70’s he sat in captains seat. His career is a unique mix. Played like Pippen with elite perimeter shooting/scoring, early career was early Kobe-esque, late career MJ/Kobe-esque. John’s game rose in the playoffs. 8x Champ 1x FMVP (likely 4x) 19. Giannis Antetokounmpo - it’s getting freaky… GreekMan is literally on the ride to potentially threatening Tim’s best PF title. If he can add a couple more rings to his already HOF profile he will likely be the new PF or TOP 5 player. Yea. THAT GOOD. 1x Champ 1x FMVP 2x MVP 1x DPOY 20. Jerry West - The LOGO. Steph Curry before Steph. The man that built the LA franchise along Baylor post Mikan era. Jerry West was the blueprint skill base for players like Kobe, MJ, TMac, etc At 6’2-6’3 he torched his opponents his entire career and dropped plenty of dimes. The ORIGINAL combo guard. So damn great he LOST and still won FMVP… case closed. 1x Champ 1x FMVP 21. Nikola Jokic - the Joker is no damn joke. Genuinely a candidate for potential GOAT if his career pans out in the extreme positive like that of the top 10. Jokic is in a unique place being the greatest passing big statically NBA history (excluding Wilt,Magic). If Jokic finds a way to fit more jewelry in his fingers, we might have to have a real discussion about that greatest Center of all time discussion. Yes. Potentially a TOP 5 player alert. 1x MVP 1x FMVP 3x MVP 22. Rick Barry - The ACTUAL “White Mamba”. Just predated the black one… Barry was the answer up until 85’ when you asked who the best SF ever. His game was similar to West but 6’7 and a better FT%. Controversial, cerebral and iconic. Had so much game he had to share what was left with his sons… 1x Champ 1x FMVP 23. Kevin Garnett - The Big Ticket. The 00’ Giannis. In every way but he had a better jumper midrange and beyond. KG was a monstrosity on OFF/DEF in his prime much like his modern comparison. Led the TWolves to relevance and led the 08’ Celtics to a chip. Truly the BIG TICKET. 1x Champ 1x FMVP 1x MVP 24. Dirk Nowitzki - DIGGLER. The one and only. The German Bird. THE Maverick. Dirk is one of the most beloved, iconic and acclaimed players ever. The 00’s stretch big supreme. Dirk was able to take the Mavs to immortality over 11’ Heat in arguably the most surprising run ever. Only Dirk. Forever the DIGGLER. Arguably, the GOAT Euro player. 1x Champ 1x FMVP 1x MVP 25. Bob Pettit - Big Blue was the first stretch 4 in the games history. That’s for starters. Pettit was a tenacious rebounder and highly skilled scorer. He was much akin to K. Love of his era but in better shape and played defense. Think a smaller Dirk who grabbed boards like Love but in the 50’s-60’s era. Not only that, much like Dirk, Pettit lead a historic upset over Russell’s Celtics. A true champ. 1x Champ 1x FMVP 2x MVP 26. Dwayne Wade - The Flash. Wade County. The greatest Heat in NBA history. Wade is arguably the best defensive player at his position and easily too3 (MJ, Kobe). Led the Heat to a title in 06’ in historic fashion against Dirks Mavs. Then winning a couple more as LBJ’s Pippen. His career was like Kobe’s… in reverse. Wade’s early injuries reduced his maximum career output but yet here he is… says a ton. 3x Champ 1x FMVP 27. Elgin Baylor - The PROTOTYPE. Before West, Julius, Thompson, Wilkins, MJ, Hardaway, Kobe, Carter, TMac, Wade, Ant etc There was Elgin Baylor. The first Air, the first Mamba, the first Half Man/Amazing, Flash etc Baylor spearheaded an era that hardly wanted his talents there but had no other choice but to be in awe of it. Think Harden, in shape but not as good of a playmaker, twice the rebounder and a better defender. That’s Elgin. *left a season before historic LAL title win 28. David Robinson - The Admiral. The USA’s biggest weapon in the 90’s was also one of the greatest ever. Made the spurs relevant pre-Duncan and post. Has some of the greatest seasons statistically. Think Giannis but 7’2 with a lefty and 15 footer plus an even better defender. 2x Champ 1x MVP 29. Kawhi Leonard - the KLAW. The SoCal legend is the closest thing to a post-prime MJ/Kobe in the modern era. Kawhi is a MJ from 98-03 but less elusive and more broad and robotic. Longevity in sports history matters greatly and Kawhi lacks that aspect of his career being injury prone. However, much like Walton and Wade, the Klaws impact while healthy garners ALL-TIME comparisons. Clutch, efficient, heady, ALLTIME defender… the real question is how good he could’ve been. 2x Champ 2x FMVP 1x DPOY 30. Charles Barkley - The Round Mound of Rebound was the Tasmanian devil in a basketball jersey. Prime 25 5 13 guy. Impact everywhere he went. OG DREAMTEAM member by the way… 1x MVP 30. (?) Clyde Drexler - The Glide. One of the most useful all around talents in nba history. One of the greatest two way players ever. Helped every squad he went to become a contender. 1x Champ * HONORABLE MENTION: McHale, Karl Malone, Nash, Harden, Parker, CP3, Stockton, Walton, Payton, Westbrook, Drexler, Ewing, Sam Jones, Cousy, Pierce, Iverson, McAdoo, Frazier, Unsled, Reed, Webber, English, A. Davis, ^GIVE HONEST FEEDBACK CRITIQUE ATTEMPTING A PERFECT TOP30 list

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[@conduitofthegospeldarrellb9154]

@@apex8373 delete yourself lil bro. You kids are dumb.

[@sub2pewdiepie840]

Dont lie to yourself buddy

[@juju-vl7oj]

I disagree with the entire premise of ranking across eras. There’s way too much nuance involved in evaluating a career fairly . 1. A list of greatest peaks could be different than greatest career. Ex Someone like Bill Walton for a 2 year period was arguably on the same level or better than Kareem at the same time. So where do you draw the line on peak vs longevity? 2. It’s a team sport - the value of the individual is not independent it depends on how a team is constructed and what they need. For example if your roster is constructed with a lot of score first or ball dominant players you probably don’t need a Jordan or LeBron as much , you’d probably rather have a Tim Duncan who was more adept at blending in and allowing Parker and Ginobili to take over but be dominant when needed and protect the rim or Magic who would just elevate all other offensive players . People disregard the fact that the Bulls were built perfectly to complement what Jordan did best. It wasn’t a LeBron big 3 situation where 3 former number 1 options have to adjust to going from 1 to 2 or 3, Pippen was perfectly suited as number 2, Rodman as a 3rd best player didn’t even need the ball but could provide all-nba value with just defense rebounding and fitting in while Kukoc off the bench could be perfectly suited for number 3. A large part of why team USA struggles in the Olympics now is 1 the teams we play are way better but also when there’s only 1 ball and we have teams constructed with a bunch of Allstars who became Allstars for what they can do with the ball in their hands - in a 40 minute international game trying to incorporate an at least 10 man rotation to keep every one happy there’s not enough time to have a flowing offense and each allstar to get to do a high volume of the things that made them great in the first place. 3. The League has evolved exponentially over the decades . In the 60s they didn’t have a 3 point line so this style highly increases the value of someone like Russell or Wilt. There’s a belief that actually isn’t true that a post scoring big was at one point the best way to run an offense . In the history of the NBA there’s only a handful of seasons a big man averaging of 25ppg won the championship Kareem 1970 (no 3 point line) Hakeem 1994 and 1995 Shaq 3peat 2000-2002 In the case of Hakeem the Rockets were the best 3point shooting team And Shaq was offset by one of the original stretch 4s Horry, one of the original high volume 3point shooting point guards Fisher and of course Kobe. Overall the point is the game changes so the players who are best in an era are the ones whose game are most suited for that era. 4. Circumstances in the league are completely different year to year , the championship is always the same goal but each champion doesn’t face the same path to get there. For example in the 60s it was only an 8-12 team league and there was many years the Celtics only had to win 2 rounds to win the championship. There was no yearly gauntlet of teams to go through. Or if you’re comparing something like Kobe in 2002 has to face the Nets with only 1 hall of famer and best West team was the Kings in a series that took a great deal of luck and help from refs for Lakers to win while in the 80s Larry Bird had to face a great Sixers or Pistons team in his conference then face an all time stacked Lakers team. Same goes with awards - sometimes the competition for an award is tougher for example early 2000s Duncan, KG, C Webb and Dirk are all competing for best power forward in the league there’s been times when certain positions just aren’t that deep . Or you can look at LeBron having no dpoy awards and the year he was 2nd place was weird case where the winner Marc Gasol didn’t even make defensive 1st Team. These are all big examples but the nuances go alot deeper to make the conversation a lot more complex than most fans make it like Jordan 6-0 means he’s the goat as if that’s just a completely independently existing fact rather than something that has a myriad of reason besides just him being great individually. Individuals don’t win anything without a lot else going right around them .

[@juju-vl7oj]

My list is by tiers within eras Tier 1 Goat Conversation 30s Wemby? TBD 20s Jokic/Giannis/Luka (in progress) 10s Lebron. (Steph/KD) 00s Duncan. (Shaq /Kobe) 90s Jordan. (Hakeem) 80s. Magic/Bird 70s. Kareem. (Dr. J ABA included) 60s Russell/Wilt Tier 2 20s SGA, Ant, Embiid,Tatum tbd in progress 10s Wade 00s Dirk/KG 90s Malone/Barkley/Robinson 80s Moses 70s Walton(peak) Barry 60s West/Big O Tier 3 10s CP3/Harden/Dwight 00s Kidd/Nash 90s Ewing/Stockton/Pippen 80s Isiah, Gervin 70s Havlicek (Hayes) 60s Baylor (Pettit/Cousy)

[@gilbertl.azocarsr.5473]

Agree 100!! But I been saying he is gonna be the new goat he's gonna break the NBA he is already breaking records as a rookie told mj sorry gotta new fav cause my spurs have a new goat!! True spurs fan 4 Life!! Go spurs Go!!

[@brushylake4606]

52 year old fan that has been watching the NBA since the '80s here. The reason MJ is the GOAT is twofold. Performance and consistency are the requirements. MJ was the best scorer AND the best defender for several seasons. Everyone says the KD Warriors were unfair and the season was almost a formality. That's what MJ did for the Bulls. For years, there was basically no reason to watch because we knew the results in June by November. I"m a Spurs fan, and I love me some Wemby...but I don't think he'll be the GOAT. He can be top 10, maybe top 5...but to be the GOAT will be a big ask.

[@rileylagerstrom9843]

it’s actually insane how the 3 best spurs players ever, duncan robinson & wemby all are the only rookies to record 30pts,10rb,5ast,5blk in a game. spurs just know how to pick em

[@rileylagerstrom9843]

duncan, robinson, and wemby. not “duncan robinson” and wemby, lmaooo

[@jonselair]

Yes and no. Spurs have a great organization and know how to make the best out of the best players but any team with the first pick would have picked all 3 of them

[@rileylagerstrom9843]

@@jonselair maybe they would’ve picked them, but they def wouldn’t have used them and unlocked them the way pop did🤷🏻‍♂️ if duncan was drafted by any other team he would’ve played center and who knows what the perception of him now would be

[@GH-cd6oq]

@@jonselairand most those of those teams they would have left. Spurs also know how to keep them

[@meechie2157]

You been snappin with the uploads🔥

[@AlienTalksBasketball]

Thanks bro

[@onekurtster]

Robinson is better than Garnett.

[@conduitofthegospeldarrellb9154]

Wemby didn’t have a better rookie season then MJ or LBJ or KAJ. At some point a fact based video instead of narrative based one will appeal to you. Mike is the only “goat”.

[@sub2pewdiepie840]

But MJ was 21 when he had his rookie season. Victor wenbenyama is only 19. Right now he might be worse than rookie lebron or other all time greats, but he has the biggest potencial we ever seen. He also played most of the season on minutes restriction.

[@CuriousGeorgelover1]

It's an argument for LBJ, but wilt had a better rookie season than any of those three but you don't call him the goat. Wes unseld also had a better rookie year than those 3 but he isn't even top 20 all time. In terms of pure upside wemby has the highest out of anybody

[@SaySpawn]

🧢 Michael Jordan rookie per 36 minute stats 26ppg 5rebs 5 assists Lebron James rookie per 36 minute stats 19ppg 5rebs 5 assists Victor Wembanyama rookie per 36 minute stats 26ppg 13rebs 5 assists 4.3blks 🤯👽

[@SaySpawn]

​@@CuriousGeorgelover1Wilt doesn't get called the goat because he averaged 14 ppg in the 1968-69 playoffs 14ppg in the 1971-72 playoffs 10ppg in the 1972-73 playoffs 18ppg in the 1970-71 playoffs Jordan averaged 33ppg in the playoffs his entire career.

[@SaySpawn]

​@@CuriousGeorgelover1 Wes Unseld per 36 minute rookie stats 13.8ppg 18rebs Wemby per 36 minute rookie stats 26ppg 13rebs 5 assists 4.3blks.

[@Dotsprodz]

No he doesn’t Shai Luka ant and other won’t let him rack up rings and MVPs. Foolish take

[@GH-cd6oq]

😂😂😂🤡🤡🤡

[@Faisaltm2]

He has a great chance to do so, hopefully he will be healthy his whole career

[@LudoM27]

🏀🇫🇷👍

[@0vern9K]

Idk why you have lebrons photo yo there like he’s the goat or even close

[@thelegend_28]

Hes the second best player ever so thats kinda close i think

[@0vern9K]

@@thelegend_28 he’s not

[@thelegend_28]

@@0vern9K🤦‍♂️ let me guess, you have kobe at #2 🙄

[@SwaggySimon20]

@@0vern9Khe is

[@0vern9K]

@@thelegend_28 Yes, Hakeem is also better then bron imo. If we’re talking who’s the best basketball players of all time. Not just resume. As alot of circumstances and context goes into that.